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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 19, 2015 16:19:31 GMT -5
It's hard to call Rodney Clawson untalented. This is the same guy that wrote "I saw God Today". I just feel like he's getting blamed for bro country, but in reality his job is to write hit songs. I think he's more than capable of writing big hits no matter the trend. Can't blame the man for doing his job. That's why I broadened my focus to Big Loud Shirt Publishing, which seems to have had an organizational focus on generating (and blindly defending) formulaic "bro country" hits over the past few years. Of course, the Peach Pickers (not part of BLS) have milked the formula too, and so has the Ashley Gorley/Chris DeStefano tandem (also outside of BLS), though Gorley/DeStefano have done more to work outside of the formula, as well. In any event, I don't think that anyone here was objecting to songwriters adapting to a radio climate (and to the requests of labels/artists eager/desperate for airplay) to try to write hits. I wasn't, anyway. But Clawson & co. have done so with a level of lyrical and melodic repetition that has understandably sullied their reputations as good songwriters. It's to the extent that they have sacrificed originality and quality that I'm critical of these songwriters, especially because there are plenty of examples of professional songwriters (many of whom I mentioned in my previous post) who have scored hits without recycling the same song so many times over (and often with stronger sales returns, not to mention critical acclaim). Commercial appeal and originality/quality aren't mutually exclusive. Sure, it may be harder to come up with songs that have both -- but songwriters who don't put in the effort to create such songs are completely fair game for criticism, as are artists who don't care to reach for something better and more individual. I'll add a normative point: when the particular perspective of the hits in question has been as disrespectful of women as it has been over the past few years, I think that the songwriters who contributed deserve every bit of the criticism directed their way. This isn't about excusing the artists, of course, or the radio executives and programmers who have enabled and encouraged such a narrow, misogynistic turn on the country format. There's plenty of blame to go around. But just as it's important to credit songwriters for quality singles (I did note some BLS writer collaborations with strong songwriters outside of that publishing company that I enjoyed, and BLS' signing of Sarah Buxton seems like a move to acknowledge that an intelligent female perspective may exist, "Sun Daze" notwithstanding), it's fair to include them among the responsible for country radio's creative rut of the past few years.
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Post by sgtoddball on Feb 19, 2015 16:32:27 GMT -5
It's hard to call Rodney Clawson untalented. This is the same guy that wrote "I saw God Today". I just feel like he's getting blamed for bro country, but in reality his job is to write hit songs. I think he's more than capable of writing big hits no matter the trend. Can't blame the man for doing his job. Agreed. And also because everything is so subjective. I think, "I Saw God" is an awful song but like you said, his job is to write hit songs. He does that. That in itself makes it successful. I used "I Saw God Today" because it's a totally different style of song and from another era so to speak. I think he's becoming everyone's whipping boy lately because he's had a ton of FLAGA Line, Jason Aldean, Luke Bryan co-writes which have become huge. Also, Dallas Davidson doesnt seem to be getting as may cuts lately to be blamed for.
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Post by sgtoddball on Feb 19, 2015 17:20:09 GMT -5
It's hard to call Rodney Clawson untalented. This is the same guy that wrote "I saw God Today". I just feel like he's getting blamed for bro country, but in reality his job is to write hit songs. I think he's more than capable of writing big hits no matter the trend. Can't blame the man for doing his job. That's why I broadened my focus to Big Loud Shirt Publishing, which seems to have had an organizational focus on generating (and blindly defending) formulaic "bro country" hits over the past few years. Of course, the Peach Pickers (not part of BLS) have milked the formula too, and so has the Ashley Gorley/Chris DeStefano tandem (also outside of BLS), though Gorley/DeStefano have done more to work outside of the formula, as well. In any event, I don't think that anyone here was objecting to songwriters adapting to a radio climate (and to the requests of labels/artists eager/desperate for airplay) to try to write hits. I wasn't, anyway. But Clawson & co. have done so with a level of lyrical and melodic repetition that has understandably sullied their reputations as good songwriters. It's to the extent that they have sacrificed originality and quality that I'm critical of these songwriters, especially because there are plenty of examples of professional songwriters (many of whom I mentioned in my previous post) who have scored hits without recycling the same song so many times over (and often with stronger sales returns, not to mention critical acclaim). Commercial appeal and originality/quality aren't mutually exclusive. Sure, it may be harder to come up with songs that have both -- but songwriters who don't put in the effort to create such songs are completely fair game for criticism, as are artists who didn't care to reach for something better and more individual. I'll add a normative point: when the particular perspective of the hits in question has been as disrespectful of women as it has been over the past few years, I think that the songwriters who contributed deserve every bit of the criticism directed their way. This isn't about excusing the artists, of course, or the radio executives and programmers who have enabled and encouraged such a narrow, misogynistic turn on the country format. There's plenty of blame to go around. But just as it's important to credit songwriters for quality singles (I did note some BLS writer collaborations with strong songwriters outside of that publishing company that I enjoyed, and BLS' signing of Sarah Buxton seems like a move to acknowledge that an intelligent female perspective may exist, "Sun Daze" notwithstanding), it's fair to include them among the responsible for country radio's creative rut of the past few years. Big Loud Shirt has been involved in the biggest hits of several different eras though. Craig Wiseman, for example seems to be able as a writer to adapt to whatver radio and labels want and I'd be surprised if Rodney and Chris aren't still writing big hits when bro country no longer exists.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Feb 19, 2015 17:48:32 GMT -5
Big Loud Shirt has been involved in the biggest hits of several different eras though. Craig Wiseman, for example seems to be able as a writer to adapt to whatver radio and labels want and I'd be surprised if Rodney and Chris aren't still writing big hits when bro country no longer exists. You're arguing against a point that I haven't made. I specifically noted in my original post in this thread that I've enjoyed a variety of Big Loud Shirt collaborations, but they have almost always been with writers outside of BLS, i.e, with the terrific Josh Kear in the case of Chris Tompkins, with the cutting-edge Luke Laird & Shane McAnally in the case of Rodney Clawson, etc. The fact that BLS writers are capable of more variety (at least when they collaborate with outside writers) makes their formulaic in-house writing over the past few years especially indefensible. The fact that Craig Wiseman has gone from co-writing "Live Like You Were Dying" to fronting a publishing company whose in-house songs endlessly regurgitate truck/beer/party/female-objectifying tropes and same-y corporate rock melodies does not mean he's not capable of better -- it's the fact that he is capable of better (and the fact that he didn't follow up previous big hits with the kind of formula-chasing in evidence over the past few years) that makes BLS' in-house orientation over the past few years so disappointing.
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Post by countrymusic20 on Feb 19, 2015 20:27:11 GMT -5
Big Loud Shirt has been involved in the biggest hits of several different eras though. Craig Wiseman, for example seems to be able as a writer to adapt to whatver radio and labels want and I'd be surprised if Rodney and Chris aren't still writing big hits when bro country no longer exists. You're arguing against a point that I haven't made. I specifically noted in my original post in this thread that I've enjoyed a variety of Big Loud Shirt collaborations, but they have almost always been with writers outside of BLS, i.e, with the terrific Josh Kear in the case of Chris Tompkins, with the cutting-edge Luke Laird & Shane McAnally in the case of Rodney Clawson, etc. The fact that BLS writers are capable of more variety (at least when they collaborate with outside writers) makes their formulaic in-house writing over the past few years especially indefensible. The fact that Craig Wiseman has gone from co-writing "Live Like You Were Dying" to fronting a publishing company whose in-house songs endlessly regurgitate truck/beer/party/female-objectifying tropes and same-y corporate rock melodies does not mean he's not capable of better -- it's the fact that he is capable of better (and the fact that he didn't follow up previous big hits with the kind of formula-chasing in evidence over the past few years) that makes BLS' in-house orientation over the past few years so disappointing. Amarillo Sky, Before He Cheats, Live Like You were Dying, The Good Stuff, I Saw God Today, Blown Away, Believe, American Kids, Dust, Drunk On A Plane, Sweet Southern Comfort - in no particular order. Nobody can honestly say that BLS writers can't write great songs. The truth of the matter is most big songwriters write almost every day, but they can't write a great song every day, and they can't be original every day, and they don't have a great idea every day, but some of those songs still get cut anyway and become a single cuz it carries the name of a big songwriter. Songwriting Catch22 101.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 19, 2015 21:06:13 GMT -5
Well, Uncle Lumpy The lyric actually is "you melt me like ice IN whiskey." But not that that slight line change would matter to you given the rest of your post. But to me, it's a clever turn of phrase and not one I've often heard. -- So because of sentiments like the "how exciting" part above, I see the "problem" with people hating on anything that gains in popularity is that once a few things (or many in the case of recent radio themes) follow through, it tends to make people embittered to the trend, regardless of whether a song -- formulaic or not -- is actually written well (Like "Sippin' On Fire" is). As someone who listens to the bi-weekly CDX series when they're sent to me, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that I'd take the 'formulaic' so-called bro-country songs over many of the more traditional sounding songs that are issued on those compilations and to secondary radio because, at the very least, anything written by these big songwriters (or even new writers in the same publishing circles) write circles around those writers (The CDX always contain writer/producer info). It's actually rare to hear a great song from these smaller, indie artists. Their talent may be obvious but the songs aren't and it actually pains me to see them try to market themselves with a subpar song that tries to ape a sound from the past 35 years and not do it well and when the few that DO sound good come across my ears, its usually because those artists/writers have spent a little time on the circuit in Nashville or are students of the music that they actually know how to craft a song. Country music has trends and follows hot songwriters, for example: Jeffrey Steele was super hot -- like Rodney Clawson and Chris Tompkins from Big Loud Shirt -- and many of his songs were 'ditties' or formulaic stuff too. I think sometimes we, as superfans or intense followers of the genre/radio trends, tend to over analyze a song or what a song is intended to do. Songs like "Sippin' On Fire" may not ever be considered a stone cold "The House That Built Me" or "Dirt," but they're necessary because music is entertainment and what's good to one person may be utter crap to the next only to be the "best song ever!" to a third person. So, at least to me, at the end of the day, it's about hearing well-written songs, songs that resonate on some level and 99% of what we hear on commercial country albums are well-written, even if formulaic or overly common themes. We must also remember there are only so many ways to write a common life experience/theme or even the same melodies/chords and thus we end up back with the cliche and formulaic. This song -- getting back on topic -- doesn't even feel "bro" to me. It feels like a song that rips a story from one of the writer's lives, be it their own or one of their friends. That makes it real and that makes it country for me.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Feb 20, 2015 0:44:55 GMT -5
Well, Uncle Lumpy The lyric actually is "you melt me like ice IN whiskey." But not that that slight line change would matter to you given the rest of your post. But to me, it's a clever turn of phrase and not one I've often heard. -- So because of sentiments like the "how exciting" part above, I see the "problem" with people hating on anything that gains in popularity is that once a few things (or many in the case of recent radio themes) follow through, it tends to make people embittered to the trend, regardless of whether a song -- formulaic or not -- is actually written well (Like "Sippin' On Fire" is). As someone who listens to the bi-weekly CDX series when they're sent to me, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that I'd take the 'formulaic' so-called bro-country songs over many of the more traditional sounding songs that are issued on those compilations and to secondary radio because, at the very least, anything written by these big songwriters (or even new writers in the same publishing circles) write circles around those writers (The CDX always contain writer/producer info). It's actually rare to hear a great song from these smaller, indie artists. Their talent may be obvious but the songs aren't and it actually pains me to see them try to market themselves with a subpar song that tries to ape a sound from the past 35 years and not do it well and when the few that DO sound good come across my ears, its usually because those artists/writers have spent a little time on the circuit in Nashville or are students of the music that they actually know how to craft a song. Country music has trends and follows hot songwriters, for example: Jeffrey Steele was super hot -- like Rodney Clawson and Chris Tompkins from Big Loud Shirt -- and many of his songs were 'ditties' or formulaic stuff too. I think sometimes we, as superfans or intense followers of the genre/radio trends, tend to over analyze a song or what a song is intended to do. Songs like "Sippin' On Fire" may not ever be considered a stone cold "The House That Built Me" or "Dirt," but they're necessary because music is entertainment and what's good to one person may be utter crap to the next only to be the "best song ever!" to a third person. So, at least to me, at the end of the day, it's about hearing well-written songs, songs that resonate on some level and 99% of what we hear on commercial country albums are well-written, even if formulaic or overly common themes. We must also remember there are only so many ways to write a common life experience/theme or even the same melodies/chords and thus we end up back with the cliche and formulaic. This song -- getting back on topic -- doesn't even feel "bro" to me. It feels like a song that rips a story from one of the writer's lives, be it their own or one of their friends. That makes it real and that makes it country for me. Wow , Matt , I'm kind of shocked. Its so out of character for you to defend the status quo. But hey . you gotta keep the clients happy , right? If you see this song as "real" & "well written" by all means , its real & well written. I think I'll stick with my opinion that its just another lazy retread that we have already heard countless times from Florida Georgia Line & especially Rodney Clawson. Jefferey Steele wasn't always my cup of tea , but he was a great writer & didn't repeat the same themes with every song either. While I'm not privy to CDX material & you may very well be correct , they may be full of subpar artists & songs. But I do find it amusing that thats about the closest thing to a negative comment I've ever seen from you..... and of course , it's aimed at those outside the Nashville clique of writers & Artists. I'm not picking on this song (or its writers) because Its not traditional country as you seem to be hinting at. I'm picking on this song cause its the same song we have been hearing for three years straight now. I'm critical of traditional leaning songs as well. I thought both "Loving You Is Fun" & "A Little More Country Than That" were both terribly written songs in my opinion. While the Bro-Country Brigade of songwriters may be just "doing their job's" , but if this is as creative as they can be, perhaps Nashville needs to start choosing songs for quality again instead of who is in the clique. Sure , a select few are getting filthy rich , but every year the genre as a whole becomes a bigger & better punchline for jokes.
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Post by sgtoddball on Feb 20, 2015 12:48:28 GMT -5
The way critics/consumers think about music is often different than how musicians/writers/labels/publishers think about music.
Every generation of music critics has a band/writer that's ripe for the easy, pack in the punchlines to show your superiority take down. Right now, it's Florida Georgia Line and BLS writers, but the take downs are every bit the lowest common denominator low hanging fruit the band/writers are.
Sippin on Fire will be a decent sized hit because a majority of listeners will enjoy it and stream and purchase it. Simple as that.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 20, 2015 13:01:23 GMT -5
Sippin on Fire will be a decent sized hit because a majority of listeners will enjoy it and stream and purchase it. Simple as that. Nobody here is arguing that fact. Duh, they are successful; but people are just voicing their opinions on the quality of the music songwriters and artists like FGL have been putting out. This conversation is really starting to around in circles. Success doesn't equate to quality. But quality is subjective, just like opinions. Everyone knows that songwriters continue to write these songs because they have been successful and have made some serious money, but many people think the music is retread and tiresome - and have made factual, valid points expressing their frustrations. It seriously seems like we have this discussion with every thread that involves this band or these songwriters. The masses of young country fans eat it up while some (like here, including me) think it's low quality. The same ole discussion.
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Post by sgtoddball on Feb 20, 2015 13:12:38 GMT -5
Sippin on Fire will be a decent sized hit because a majority of listeners will enjoy it and stream and purchase it. Simple as that. Nobody here is arguing that fact. Duh, they are successful; but people are just voicing their opinions on the quality of the music songwriters and artists like FGL have been putting out. This conversation is really starting to around in circles. Success doesn't equate to quality. But quality is subjective, just like opinions. Everyone knows that songwriters continue to write these songs because they have been successful and have made some serious money, but many people think the music is retread and tiresome - and have made factual, valid points expressing their frustrations. It seriously seems like we have this discussion with every thread that involves this band or these songwriters. The masses of young country fans eat it up while some (like here, including me) think it's low quality. The same ole discussion. Maybe you do have this discussion with every thread.....This is the first time and first thread that I've voiced my opinion...I'm sorry if you are tired of the same ole discusson but you did just add to the discussion yourself.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 20, 2015 13:19:16 GMT -5
Nobody here is arguing that fact. Duh, they are successful; but people are just voicing their opinions on the quality of the music songwriters and artists like FGL have been putting out. This conversation is really starting to around in circles. Success doesn't equate to quality. But quality is subjective, just like opinions. Everyone knows that songwriters continue to write these songs because they have been successful and have made some serious money, but many people think the music is retread and tiresome - and have made factual, valid points expressing their frustrations. It seriously seems like we have this discussion with every thread that involves this band or these songwriters. The masses of young country fans eat it up while some (like here, including me) think it's low quality. The same ole discussion. Maybe you do have this discussion with every thread.....This is the first time and first thread that I've voiced my opinion...I'm sorry if you are tired of the same ole discusson but you did just add to the discussion yourself. It does not take long reading this forum to recognize that we have been having this same discussion, or perhaps you've literally only read this particular thread? - but you've also haven't been a member very long, so perhaps you didn't know... Yes, I added myself to the discussion because, well, it's a "discussion board". My point was not to go around in circles with the same arguments we've already voiced in that "discussion".
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Feb 20, 2015 13:19:38 GMT -5
As Vince Gill pointed out , you can buy a phone app with fart noises, & I'm sure there are folks out there that find that sort of thing entertaining as well. And theres nothing wrong with that. Hell , I would probably find such an app entertaining myself. But my enjoyment doesn't void the guys opinion sitting in the booth next to me that it might be low brow entertainment when I decide make fart noises in a restaurant. See that's how a message board works. People exchange opinions on music. Some folks give honest opinions...and some tell us everything from a major label brand is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I get a great deal of joy & entertainment from country music. I'm passionate about it as a fan of the genre. I would even venture to guess I get more entertainment from it than say ... somebody who has a paycheck hinged to the industry. But hey , that's just my opinion. And to tie it back in to this song, I would even say the genres quality has improved lately. The average listener just doesn't know cause those quality songs tend to reside in the lower reaches of the charts while floaters like this rise to the top.
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Post by sgtoddball on Feb 20, 2015 13:22:51 GMT -5
Maybe you do have this discussion with every thread.....This is the first time and first thread that I've voiced my opinion...I'm sorry if you are tired of the same ole discusson but you did just add to the discussion yourself. It does not take long reading this forum to recognize that we have been having this same discussion, or perhaps you've literally only read this particular thread? - but you've also haven't been a member very long, so perhaps you didn't know... Yes, I added myself to the discussion because, well, it's a "discussion board". My point was not to go around in circles with the same arguments we've already voiced in that "discussion". Sounds like to me you just don't like when someone adds to the discussion a different opinion than yours. It's a discussion board as you say, and I'd like to join in if that's ok with you.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 20, 2015 13:30:48 GMT -5
It does not take long reading this forum to recognize that we have been having this same discussion, or perhaps you've literally only read this particular thread? - but you've also haven't been a member very long, so perhaps you didn't know... Yes, I added myself to the discussion because, well, it's a "discussion board". My point was not to go around in circles with the same arguments we've already voiced in that "discussion". Sounds like to me you just don't like when someone adds to the discussion a different opinion than yours. It's a discussion board as you say, and I'd like to join in if that's ok with you. Good grief, I just said everyone's opinion is subjective in my original post. I don't care if someone has a different opinion than mine. Yes you're allowed to join in, just don't accuse me of things I'm not. What exactly is my opinion that you think I'm upset that people differ from? Cause I think I made my point clear in my original post that the masses buy and listen to FGL's music (which is okay) while some (yes, me included) think that better quality can be delivered. If you'd like to discuss this further PM, I'd be glad to.
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Post by sgtoddball on Feb 20, 2015 13:47:58 GMT -5
Sounds like to me you just don't like when someone adds to the discussion a different opinion than yours. It's a discussion board as you say, and I'd like to join in if that's ok with you. Good grief, I just said everyone's opinion is subjective in my original post. I don't care if someone has a different opinion than mine. Yes you're allowed to join in, just don't accuse me of things I'm not. What exactly is my opinion that you think I'm upset that people differ from? Cause I think I made my point clear in my original post that the masses buy and listen to FGL's music (which is okay) while some (yes, me included) think that better quality can be delivered. If you'd like to discuss this further PM, I'd be glad to. Look, I made a few comments in the thread and you are the one that made the comment that this has all been said before etc etc. I simply pointed out that this is the first thead I've had an opinion on. You seemed to not like my joining in and made a point to tell me this has all been rehased before. I don't really care if it has or not. I felt like adding my 0.2 cents. Sorry if that offends you or anyone else. This place seems to really welcome new folks in a weird way.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 20, 2015 13:52:03 GMT -5
Good grief, I just said everyone's opinion is subjective in my original post. I don't care if someone has a different opinion than mine. Yes you're allowed to join in, just don't accuse me of things I'm not. What exactly is my opinion that you think I'm upset that people differ from? Cause I think I made my point clear in my original post that the masses buy and listen to FGL's music (which is okay) while some (yes, me included) think that better quality can be delivered. If you'd like to discuss this further PM, I'd be glad to. Look, I made a few comments in the thread and you are the one that made the comment that this has all been said before etc etc. I simply pointed out that this is the first thead I've had an opinion on. You seemed to not like my joining in and made a point to tell me this has all been rehased before. I don't really care if it has or not. I felt like adding my 0.2 cents. Sorry if that offends you or anyone else. This place seems to really welcome new folks in a weird way. To be fair, I wasn't directing the rehashing the same discussion towards you - even though I quoted you. The quote was really to point out your point about people streaming and purchasing music and that it was as simple as that. I just expanded my thoughts in that same post but it was never put at you specifically, so I apologize if it came across that way. You did not offend me so no harm no foul. BTW: Welcome to Pulse. Lol :)
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 23, 2015 16:07:47 GMT -5
"Sippin' On Fire" is the most added song on MB this week with 43 adds.
The song never got an add date but I guess if you're Republic Nashville and this duo, you don't really need one.
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Post by Jrod82 on Feb 26, 2015 17:24:02 GMT -5
I don't see what all the fuss is about bro country. Country music is country music. Each artist has to have their own unique style to stand out. We have traditional country artists and non traditional country artists these days. After all whose music is at the top of the charts most of the time.......and honestly Sam Hunt is to me nowhere near traditional country and I love his music. He's extremely different and it works for him. I will always proudly be a Florida Georgia Line fan and this is a great song. I was hoping for this or "Anything Goes" to be the next single. "Sun Daze" to me was one of the worst songs they've released and it still went to #1.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 2, 2015 15:47:58 GMT -5
"Sippin' On Fire" is most added for the second consecutive week on MB with 43 adds (the same number as last week).
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Post by mylifeback on Mar 2, 2015 17:24:16 GMT -5
Much better single choice than Sun Daze, which I never much cared for. Just do. not. like. that reggae style or any whistling at all. No whistling, people!
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 2, 2015 17:28:07 GMT -5
Much better single choice than Sun Daze, which I never much cared for. Just do. not. like. that reggae style or any whistling at all. No whistling, people! There's whistling at the end of Dan Seals' Everything That Glitters Is Not Gold. I like it there.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Mar 14, 2015 2:23:34 GMT -5
Sales are fairly low for this one so far. It's at #144 on the all-genre chart. Not atrocious, but certainly not as good as past singles. I definitely think we're starting to see people getting sick of this sound. I like this song personally, but I'm not sure I see it smashing the way I thought it would at first.
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Post by dm2081 on Mar 14, 2015 10:17:09 GMT -5
Sales are fairly low for this one so far. It's at #144 on the all-genre chart. Not atrocious, but certainly not as good as past singles. I definitely think we're starting to see people getting sick of this sound. I like this song personally, but I'm not sure I see it smashing the way I thought it would at first. Hasn't it only been actively promoted to radio for like 3 weeks though? I also think this is a situation where many fans have already bought the album, and own the single already. I still think this will go Gold, there's still going to be a good 15-20 weeks of heavy airplay to come for this song. But I do agree, they're not as popular as they were during their first album era, but that's kind of to be expected. Most artists in Country music have to gradually work their way up to gain popularity, whereas these guys exploded on the scene. I think it was only natural they'd cool off a bit.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 14, 2015 11:01:42 GMT -5
Sales are fairly low for this one so far. It's at #144 on the all-genre chart. Not atrocious, but certainly not as good as past singles. I definitely think we're starting to see people getting sick of this sound. I like this song personally, but I'm not sure I see it smashing the way I thought it would at first. Hasn't it only been actively promoted to radio for like 3 weeks though? I also think this is a situation where many fans have already bought the album, and own the single already. I still think this will go Gold, there's still going to be a good 15-20 weeks of heavy airplay to come for this song. But I do agree, they're not as popular as they were during their first album era, but that's kind of to be expected. Most artists in Country music have to gradually work their way up to gain popularity, whereas these guys exploded on the scene. I think it was only natural they'd cool off a bit. Normally I would agree that it is too early with this song (and to a point I still do), but The Highway has been spinning this pretty regularly for a while now so I did expect this one's sales to be relatively higher right now. The airplay chart success is not being affected at all though as its up another 686k in audience today and has already cracked the top 30. In the end, I still see this one being yet another #1 for them.
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Post by dm2081 on Mar 14, 2015 11:23:53 GMT -5
Hasn't it only been actively promoted to radio for like 3 weeks though? I also think this is a situation where many fans have already bought the album, and own the single already. I still think this will go Gold, there's still going to be a good 15-20 weeks of heavy airplay to come for this song. But I do agree, they're not as popular as they were during their first album era, but that's kind of to be expected. Most artists in Country music have to gradually work their way up to gain popularity, whereas these guys exploded on the scene. I think it was only natural they'd cool off a bit. Normally I would agree that it is too early with this song (and to a point I still do), but The Highway has been spinning this pretty regularly for a while now so I did expect this one's sales to be relatively higher right now. The airplay chart success is not being affected at all though as its up another 686k in audience today and has already cracked the top 30. In the end, I still see this one being yet another #1 for them. For what it's worth, it's already at the 100k mark for digital sales, which isn't too shabby if you think of it that way.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 14, 2015 11:27:20 GMT -5
Normally I would agree that it is too early with this song (and to a point I still do), but The Highway has been spinning this pretty regularly for a while now so I did expect this one's sales to be relatively higher right now. The airplay chart success is not being affected at all though as its up another 686k in audience today and has already cracked the top 30. In the end, I still see this one being yet another #1 for them. For what it's worth, it's already at the 100k mark for digital sales, which isn't too shabby if you think of it that way. Oh yeah, the sales are still good compared to most other artists singles, but I did expect this to be a little higher in sales right now. If you're an FGL fan, there's zero need for worry though.
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Post by Markus Meyer on Mar 14, 2015 13:04:19 GMT -5
Oh yeah, sales certainly aren't terrible here, just not nearly as good as past singles. I still expect it to gold, but I don't think it'll come close to platinum. And like you said sabre, airplay is still doing just fine, and I suspect this will be an easy #1.
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Post by layne on Mar 14, 2015 16:59:05 GMT -5
Sales for this group in general are still good when you consider sales have fallen off somewhat for all artists. That said, it's looking like nothing from this Album outside of maybe "Dirt" is going to come close to the singles, sales wise, of the first Album. I personally think the sameness and polarizing nature of Tyler's voice is starting to show and the newness and cool factor of this group is is starting to dwindle. When I listened to this Album there were only 3 songs that I thought had potential Huge Hit sound to them outside of "Dirt". They were "Anything Goes" "Smoke" and "Confession".
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Mar 16, 2015 3:49:52 GMT -5
This one feels a little less "bro" to me than some of their other releases. I'm cool with it. I like Moi's production; I like FGL's hooks (except "This Is How We Roll", which just seemed flat to me); and overall, FGL has just never bothered me. I should hate FGL for poisoning the well by almost singlehandedly making "bro country" a thing, but I just don't.
However, it does seem that "bro" is dying. There are only a small number of songs on the charts right now that I'd consider "bro". "Sun Daze" fell HARD from #1, and if this single bombs, then I'm sure they'll get the message. After all, even Luke Bryan realized he's at least 10 years too old to keep the "spring break" thing going anymore...
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Post by sgtoddball on Mar 16, 2015 8:42:41 GMT -5
I don't feel like FGL made "bro" a thing. I think it was started with Jason Aldean and then Luke Bryan joined in giving FGL a built in crowd to play to.
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