tatula69
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Post by tatula69 on Apr 22, 2015 21:37:28 GMT -5
Well, earlier this year she said in an interview she believed in astrology (because it's a "Science"!!!) and this week' she praises Margaret Thatcher.... WTF?????
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Post by August on Apr 24, 2015 19:59:29 GMT -5
Bumps up to #13 on the club chart...and is this week's greatest gainer again
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Post by frank on Apr 24, 2015 20:32:21 GMT -5
Bumps up to #13 on the club chart... AKA the most irrelevant US chart. I do hope pop latches onto this one though, it's a quality track.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Apr 24, 2015 21:51:36 GMT -5
Bumps up to #13 on the club chart... AKA the most irrelevant US chart. How is it any more irrelevant than any airplay chart? Or the physical singles chart? Or the ringtone chart? lol. It's certainly not the worst of them. I work with someone who reports to Billboard for the Dance chart. He isn't TOLD what to play like radio dj's are.
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Apr 24, 2015 22:00:14 GMT -5
AKA the most irrelevant US chart. How is it any more irrelevant than any airplay chart? Or the physical singles chart? Or the ringtone chart? lol. It's certainly not the worst of them. I work with someone who reports to Billboard for the Dance chart. He isn't TOLD what to play like radio dj's are. I knew a few who "paper charted" singles that they never played and played stuff they never charted. There have been so many instances of massive Dance hits that crossed over that never even charted because either they weren't promoted, or enough never collectively charted those songs.
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Post by vithor on Apr 26, 2015 12:40:00 GMT -5
AKA the most irrelevant US chart. How is it any more irrelevant than any airplay chart? Or the physical singles chart? Or the ringtone chart? lol. It's certainly not the worst of them. I work with someone who reports to Billboard for the Dance chart. He isn't TOLD what to play like radio dj's are. Irrelevant because anything charts there. I mean Lindsay Lohan has a #1 on that chart.
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Post by norbpeti on Apr 26, 2015 15:05:44 GMT -5
It's NOT irrelevant. Lindsay might had a hit there too but guess what she did have a good club song! The Billboard Club Play Chart is a result of the leading clubs in the United States ( songs they play in the clubs) are the clubs irrelevant? No they are not so stop on trolling
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Post by popbox on Apr 26, 2015 15:41:51 GMT -5
Glad we can finally move on from all the talk of this having mainstream hit potential. Really don't know where anyone got that idea from in the first place.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Apr 26, 2015 17:07:44 GMT -5
"We" ? There are many who consider this an instant classic.
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Post by KissMyAxe on Apr 26, 2015 17:48:58 GMT -5
yes it IS a classic and it IS an amazing incredible song and will definitely be one of Madonna's classics but commercially it absolutely did NOTHING !!! so we can end this conversation now knowing that from now on the song is absolutely dead.
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Apr 27, 2015 0:09:51 GMT -5
It's NOT irrelevant. Lindsay might had a hit there too but guess what she did have a good club song! The Billboard Club Play Chart is a result of the leading clubs in the United States ( songs they play in the clubs) are the clubs irrelevant? No they are not so stop on trolling I heard a few of hers out. There was proper promotion and everything for those so naturally they did do better. Promotion doesn't guarantee a song will be a hit nor that it will chart though. I know of one artist who was on a major label back in the day and then she created her own label after there was turmoil behind the scenes. She would pay for promotion services for her first indie label singles and they did pretty well. Not as well as her other major label ones, but still, top 5 and top 10 with longevity is nothing to sneeze at. A few years back, she covered a famous Disco duet with another 90s Dance diva and hired promoters for it, and the single was well-received, but despite all that promotion, it didn't even chart. It was a nightmare. Since then, she does not hire such services because she realized that money she spent on promotion is better to spend on better producers, remixers, promo tours, and even for future singles/albums and other projects. So that's what she does now. Glad we can finally move on from all the talk of this having mainstream hit potential. Really don't know where anyone got that idea from in the first place. The reason there has been some concern about its accuracy is because some of the biggest crossover Dance hits of the 2000s such as D.H.T.'s "Listen To Your Heart", Cascada's "Everytime We Touch", and DJ Sammy's "Heaven" never ever charted. There was no promotion of those, but those were actually being played but the DJs on the panel never charted them. Even some other big Dance hits such as Motorcycle's "As The Rush Comes", Andain's "Beautiful Things", Sylver's "Turn The Tide", and Lasgo's "Something" never charted either. On the flip side, there is the curious case of Yoko Ono. She has continued to release remixed version of some of her older songs and even new songs. Her brand of music has been really unusual. Some of the ones she did like "Walking On Thin Ice", "Everyman/Everywoman", "Give Peace A Chance", etc. lent themselves well to being remixed and stuff for the clubs and those were genuine hits, but then she had nearly a dozen other ones which were truly bizarre and even horrible. But because she has a nearly unlimited source of money, she can hire many promoters and remixers who will do the projects because the money they get from the projects allow them to finance and produce their own original work. Due to her hiring such promotional services, many will chart the songs and not actually play them. Many people in the industry I know all are fully aware of how the chart really works and that nothing was really done about it. They did overhaul it a little bit so actual crossover Dance stuff is charting and is more in line with what is really being played. The Dance Radio airplay chart is a lot more accurate because it has more variety, and there are enough stations and stuff that are spread out all over and there is little to no corporatization of those stations so they have little to no reason or incentive to "play favorites" or do what the industry people want them to do.
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Post by skizzo on Apr 27, 2015 0:15:39 GMT -5
Tbh, the dance chart has always been locked as a joke here in Europe, but mostly because we grew up with real dance so when we see pop and urban tracks charting its just laughable. Its better now, but my god was it terrible back in the day.
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Apr 27, 2015 0:46:47 GMT -5
Tbh, the dance chart has always been locked as a joke here in Europe, but mostly because we grew up with real dance so when we see pop and urban tracks charting its just laughable. Its better now, but my god was it terrible back in the day. The Pop, Urban, Rock, etc. songs chart based on the Dance remixes that have been produced for them and subsequently promoted. They don't indicate which version(s) are charting though. Extended versions and dubs based on the album or single versions were basically the norm until remixes with entirely new productions were made in the mid 80s. For example, for some singles, you'd have the Shep Pettibone or Arthur Baker remixes based on the original for the U.S., then there would be the brand new ones by Steve "Silk" Hurley and Stock Aitken Waterman for the UK and European markets. Then as the technology improved, completely original mixes became a regular thing with the tempo being increased and stuff. The Junior Vasquez mixes of Madonna's "Secret" are the best example of that sort of thing and some of the earliest. Until time stretch technology improved, remixes had to be done based on the original versions because the vocals and stuff couldn't be easily sped up/slowed down while maintaining the original key/pitch unless the artist re-recorded them. That was the primary reason for why Mariah Carey re-recorded her vocals in the studio for her remixes produced by Clivilles & Cole, David Morales, and Junior Vasquez because it just would not have been possible otherwise. And then even after the technology got better, they still did that for most of her 90s remixes because that allowed for them to re-imagine the track for the dancefloor without the restrictions of the original. She even did a couple of remixes where the lyrics were the only connection to the original because they completely redid the melody. She has done that a few times since then, sometimes doing a combination of the original studio vocals plus some additional new ones.
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 27, 2015 3:47:08 GMT -5
I remember listening American top 40 in the 90's and at the end they talk about the number ones on other charts, and if my memory doesn't fail i think Anytime you need a friend was number one on the dance chart
It's a pity this is not selling, i think with good sales she really has a chance of a decent chart run with this
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Post by skizzo on Apr 27, 2015 8:18:20 GMT -5
Tbh, the dance chart has always been locked as a joke here in Europe, but mostly because we grew up with real dance so when we see pop and urban tracks charting its just laughable. Its better now, but my god was it terrible back in the day. The Pop, Urban, Rock, etc. songs chart based on the Dance remixes that have been produced for them and subsequently promoted. Which said a lot about the state of dance music in the US when remixes would get more play than real dance tracks by real dance artists.
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Post by bat1990 on Apr 27, 2015 9:03:53 GMT -5
Promotion doesn't guarantee a song will be a hit nor that it will chart though. I know of one artist who was on a major label back in the day and then she created her own label after there was turmoil behind the scenes. She would pay for promotion services for her first indie label singles and they did pretty well. Not as well as her other major label ones, but still, top 5 and top 10 with longevity is nothing to sneeze at. A few years back, she covered a famous Disco duet with another 90s Dance diva and hired promoters for it, and the single was well-received, but despite all that promotion, it didn't even chart. It was a nightmare. Since then, she does not hire such services because she realized that money she spent on promotion is better to spend on better producers, remixers, promo tours, and even for future singles/albums and other projects. So that's what she does now. I believe I know who you're talking about. I have always loved her work.
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Apr 27, 2015 22:50:37 GMT -5
The Pop, Urban, Rock, etc. songs chart based on the Dance remixes that have been produced for them and subsequently promoted. Which said a lot about the state of dance music in the US when remixes would get more play than real dance tracks by real dance artists. Real Dance tracks used to dominate with a few of the extended versions of uptempo current singles. We are starting to see that again now.
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Post by norbpeti on Apr 30, 2015 9:19:46 GMT -5
This thread became a joke . If U wanna follow GhostTown s real chart numbers go to HOT AC/ AC thread
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Post by Libra on Apr 30, 2015 11:35:08 GMT -5
This thread became a joke . If U wanna follow GhostTown s real chart numbers go to HOT AC/ AC thread A fine idea. And since this song is dead at CHR...
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