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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Apr 24, 2015 13:26:30 GMT -5
Get it together radio.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 23:31:40 GMT -5
Wow, I read threads here in the country forum since quite a while, and I still don't understand a lot of stuff, so I am usually like "This is a good song!" or some random uninformative comment jajajajjjaa But the way those numbers look and losses in audience sound disastrous. Sure, country songs spen eternities climbing charts, and videos are shot at like week 35 or weird stuff like that. So I hope Kacey releases a video for this and it might help her at radio.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 25, 2015 3:06:06 GMT -5
I'm not too worried about this (at least not yet). It's only been out a little over a month now, and it's made it to just outside the Top 40, so I feel like it's made some solid progress thus far. It's also selling quite well compared to the other songs around it on the chart, as well as some with much higher airplay levels (Frankie Ballard, Kip Moore, Maddie & Tae, Mickey Guyton, Chase Rice, etc.). I still think that this will be a hit. It seems pretty radio friendly to me and at some point radio is going to see that Kacey is a valuable investment, because her music sells and she's only going to become more popular.
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Post by Connor Walsh on Apr 25, 2015 4:51:15 GMT -5
I hope you're right. It's catchy and fun probably my favorite KM single so far.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Apr 25, 2015 12:18:17 GMT -5
Kacey's sophomore album now has a title and a release date. Pageant Material will be released on June 9th. ( Source)
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Post by musgraves on Apr 26, 2015 19:37:35 GMT -5
I know that I'm probably posting this wrong but it's my first time posting in a forum but for the past year I've been trying my hardest to find Kacey Musgraves song called "nervous breakdown" it was released on her advance release debut album same trailer different park, along with hotel and the love you give away... If any one knows of any place I can find it I would be forever grateful!!! Looking forward to her June 9 album
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Apr 26, 2015 19:58:15 GMT -5
I know that I'm probably posting this wrong but it's my first time posting in a forum but for the past year I've been trying my hardest to find Kacey Musgraves song called "nervous breakdown" it was released on her advance release debut album same trailer different park, along with hotel and the love you give away... If any one knows of any place I can find it I would be forever grateful!!! Looking forward to her June 9 album Sorry, I can't be of any help with this, but if you find it let me know! I'd love to hear any of these songs that were on the advance release of Same Trailer Different Park!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 22:22:47 GMT -5
Solid update today: +17 spins, +0.376 million in audience. That's her best single-day update in quite some time. Again, it's only one day, but hopefully the album announcement will actually be able to breathe a bit more life into this one.
So far I don't think it's done all that bad, but the over-crowded release schedule over the last 1-2 months has definitely slowed down the chart and hurt a lot of singles, including Kacey's.
I'm not sure if I see this going top 20, but I do think it can manage a slow climb into the 20's at least, maybe similar to what we're currently seeing with Gloriana and Dustin Lynch, although obviously "Biscuits" is selling way better than their singles are.
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Post by Kurt on Apr 29, 2015 22:44:15 GMT -5
Where is the album announcement, anyway? I imagine it's got to be coming next week, but that's still only a five-week preorder window, which is shorter than average - I'm surprised it didn't come yesterday (not that the title/date "leak" has mattered - mainstream media hasn't yet picked up on it or the tracklist).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 22:50:56 GMT -5
Where is the album announcement, anyway? I imagine it's got to be coming next week, but that's still only a five-week preorder window, which is shorter than average - I'm surprised it didn't come yesterday (not that the title/date "leak" has mattered - mainstream media hasn't yet picked up on it or the tracklist). I actually wouldn't be surprised if the album gets pushed back to July or August. I'm not saying that will happen - and I still think there's a pretty good chance we'll get it in June - but it's also possible that the label might want to allow "Biscuits" some more time to grow. For what it's worth, a pop critic/journalist named Preston Jones tweeted the following on Monday:
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 30, 2015 12:30:14 GMT -5
Solid update today: +17 spins, +0.376 million in audience. That's her best single-day update in quite some time. Again, it's only one day, but hopefully the album announcement will actually be able to breathe a bit more life into this one. So far I don't think it's done all that bad, but the over-crowded release schedule over the last 1-2 months has definitely slowed down the chart and hurt a lot of singles, including Kacey's. I'm not sure if I see this going top 20, but I do think it can manage a slow climb into the 20's at least, maybe similar to what we're currently seeing with Gloriana and Dustin Lynch, although obviously "Biscuits" is selling way better than their singles are. Even better update today as "Biscuits" is up another 7 spins and 581k in audience. Kacey has accumulated 53 spins and 1.3 million in audience so far this week, which is by far her best movement over the past month. I think the album announcement is definitely helping this one. There's still a massive logjam in the 40's of the MB chart (Lady A, Brothers Osborne, Kacey, Austin, EYB, Gary), but with two recurrents this Sunday ("Homegrown", "Little Red Wagon"), "Biscuits" has a chance to finally crack the MB top 40. That's assuming Kacey can keep up the positive updates for another three days. I too think a peak in the 20's might be where this one finishes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 16:40:26 GMT -5
Even better update today as "Biscuits" is up another 7 spins and 581k in audience. Kacey has accumulated 53 spins and 1.3 million in audience so far this week, which is by far her best movement over the past month. I think the album announcement is definitely helping this one. There's still a massive logjam in the 40's of the MB chart (Lady A, Brothers Osborne, Kacey, Austin, EYB, Gary), but with two recurrents this Sunday ("Homegrown", "Little Red Wagon"), "Biscuits" has a chance to finally crack the MB top 40. That's assuming Kacey can keep up the positive updates for another three days. I too think a peak in the 20's might be where this one finishes. Yesterday's update looked believable to me, but today's doesn't. Songs in this portion of the chart don't gain 600k when they only gain 7 spins. Unfortunately, this is Westwood One. www.allaccess.com/mediabase/q/report/starters/song/MUSGB+++/format/C1Kacey has 11 new spins and has gained over 1.1 million in audience at W1MC in just the last 7 days (rule of thumb: 1 spin = roughly 100k). Most likely she'll finish the week with over 20 spins there. That's what they did with Dan + Shay recently, and with Mickey Guyton, Rascal Flatts, Maddie & Tae, Brantley Gilbert, and everyone else before that. They have sort of a tiered system there; when they add a new song, it usually holds steady at 23-24 spins for the first few weeks, then it gets bumped up to 30-31 spins for a few weeks, and then during a song's final weeks, when it's in power rotation, it'll get anywhere from 38-40 spins from W1MC. Maybe this does get Kacey into the MB top 40 (which is better than not being in the top 40), but her BB gain is only going to be a very small fraction of her MB gain this week.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 30, 2015 16:57:45 GMT -5
Even better update today as "Biscuits" is up another 7 spins and 581k in audience. Kacey has accumulated 53 spins and 1.3 million in audience so far this week, which is by far her best movement over the past month. I think the album announcement is definitely helping this one. There's still a massive logjam in the 40's of the MB chart (Lady A, Brothers Osborne, Kacey, Austin, EYB, Gary), but with two recurrents this Sunday ("Homegrown", "Little Red Wagon"), "Biscuits" has a chance to finally crack the MB top 40. That's assuming Kacey can keep up the positive updates for another three days. I too think a peak in the 20's might be where this one finishes. Yesterday's update looked believable to me, but today's doesn't. Songs in this portion of the chart don't gain 600k when they only gain 7 spins. Unfortunately, this is Westwood One. www.allaccess.com/mediabase/q/report/starters/song/MUSGB+++/format/C1Kacey has 11 new spins and has gained over 1.1 million in audience at W1MC in just the last 7 days (rule of thumb: 1 spin = roughly 100k). Most likely she'll finish the week with over 20 spins there. That's what they did with Dan + Shay recently, and with Mickey Guyton, Rascal Flatts, Maddie & Tae, Brantley Gilbert, and everyone else before that. They have sort of a tiered system there; when they add a new song, it usually holds steady at 23-24 spins for the first few weeks, then it gets bumped up to 30-31 spins for a few weeks, and then during a song's final weeks, when it's in power rotation, it'll get anywhere from 38-40 spins from W1MC. Maybe this does get Kacey into the MB top 40 (which is better than not being in the top 40), but her BB gain is only going to be a very small fraction of her MB gain this week. I knew it was Westwood one but Kacey's been spinning there for a little while now and like you said, it does count towards MB's chart (which unfortunately, is a pain in the you know what when it comes to predicting Billboard's numbers) and if Kacey's song cracks the top 40, then perhaps that's a little something to help it along. Any sort of help gained by Westwood One will most certainly not translate into long term chart prospects. "Biscuits" numbers before this week were just not that good to put it bluntly, so that's all the proof I need to predict that this one won't see the top 20.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 17:15:09 GMT -5
I knew it was Westwood one but Kacey's been spinning there for a little while now and like you said, it does count towards MB's chart (which unfortunately, is a pain in the you know what when it comes to predicting Billboard's numbers) and if Kacey's song cracks the top 40, then perhaps that's a little something to help it along. Any sort of help gained by Westwood One will most certainly not translate into long term chart prospects. "Biscuits" numbers before this week were just not that good to put it bluntly, so that's all the proof I need to predict that this one won't see the top 20. She's been getting airplay on Westwood One Hot Country now for a few weeks, but the audience for that station is much less than it is for their Mainstream Country station. She only just got added to W1MC this week...she's gone from 0 to 11 spins there since the start of the week. Kacey started the Billboard tracking week with 4.985 million on Mediabase (Monday morning update). Today she's up to 6.229 million, which amounts to a gain of 1.244 million in the last 3 days...but 1.127 million of that gain is from Mainstream Country, which means that, in reality, barely 100k of what she's gained will translate over to Billboard. Which means that...this song still isn't really moving. Westwood One gains are nothing but a mirage. If a song's entire weekly gain comes from 1 station (out of 151 on the MB panel), and it's basically standing still everywhere else, I don't see it as progress at all. I did notice that KKGO in Los Angeles has added this one, so hopefully Kacey can start seeing some somewhat substantial non-Westwood One gains in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 30, 2015 17:24:31 GMT -5
I knew it was Westwood one but Kacey's been spinning there for a little while now and like you said, it does count towards MB's chart (which unfortunately, is a pain in the you know what when it comes to predicting Billboard's numbers) and if Kacey's song cracks the top 40, then perhaps that's a little something to help it along. Any sort of help gained by Westwood One will most certainly not translate into long term chart prospects. "Biscuits" numbers before this week were just not that good to put it bluntly, so that's all the proof I need to predict that this one won't see the top 20. She's been getting airplay on Westwood One Hot Country now for a few weeks, but the audience for that station is much less than it is for their Mainstream Country station. She only just got added to W1MC this week...she's gone from 0 to 11 spins there since the start of the week. Kacey started the Billboard tracking week with 4.985 million on Mediabase (Monday morning update). Today she's up to 6.229 million, which amounts to a gain of 1.244 million in the last 3 days...but 1.127 million of that gain is from Mainstream Country, which means that, in reality, barely 100k of what she's gained will translate over to Billboard. Which means that...this song still isn't really moving. Westwood One gains are nothing but a mirage. If a song's entire weekly gain comes from 1 station (out of 151 on the MB panel), and it's basically standing still everywhere else, I don't see it as progress at all. I did notice that KKGO in Los Angeles has added this one, so hopefully Kacey can start seeing some somewhat substantial non-Westwood One gains in the next couple of weeks. Don't get me wrong, it bothers me, but perhaps it would bother me even more if I had to predict the Billboard numbers every week like you do (and do a superb job st, even with the W1 shenanigans). I wish they weren't on the panel at all or that they were on both MB and Billboard. It's like the DH in baseball - it should be in both the AL and NL. Perhaps I'm taking too much credit to other stations to help this song out by bumping it's spins or adding it all together if they see it have a surge on MB (albeit from W1), but I guess that would be naive. It's still better than nothing at all, but I certainly see what you mean.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 19:00:05 GMT -5
I wish they weren't on the panel at all or that they were on both MB and Billboard. I couldn't agree more. W1 should be on both panels or neither panel. My guess is that Billboard/Nielsen doesn't feel that they can accurately count that audience, since satellite radio is completely different than terrestrial radio. That's also why SiriusXM's "The Highway" isn't on either panel, although its spins do count toward Billboard's Indicator chart. It's like the DH in baseball - it should be in both the AL and NL. Brilliant analogy. Once again, I completely agree. I kind of like having the DH, but then again, it's always cool to watch pitchers hit too, lol.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 30, 2015 20:36:15 GMT -5
Even though this hasn't been doing particularly well lately, it's only been out a month and a half and it's right on the cusp of Top 40, so I feel like the chart run for this has just begun. She's still a new artist so it's going to be slow-going for "Biscuits," but I'd be surprised if this didn't at least make the Top 20. It's selling well already (and I imagine Pageant Material will sell pretty well, too), she's got a fairly sizable fanbase already + critical acclaim, and this is probably her most radio-friendly single yet. Radio just really doesn't have a good excuse to not get on board with this one, imo, especially when they took something like "Merry Go 'Round" all the way to #10 (and that was before it was clear that Kacey Musgraves ain't goin' anywhere).
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Post by Zazie on May 3, 2015 9:01:57 GMT -5
A good week follows a bad week, and after falling 41-47 on the current Billboard, this song reaches the MB top 40 today. That's enough to get on the countdown shows next weekend, and that in turn will get this song enough audience to make the Billboard top 40 a week from now. Taking 10 weeks to reach the BB top 40 isn't exactly how Thomas Rhett or Sam Hunt would do it, but it's perfectly respectable provided that there's a climb coming in the near future. It shouldn't take ten more weeks for Biscuits to be in contention for the top 30. (I hope.)
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Post by sabre14 on May 3, 2015 13:44:34 GMT -5
A good week follows a bad week, and after falling 41-47 on the current Billboard, this song reaches the MB top 40 today. That's enough to get on the countdown shows next weekend, and that in turn will get this song enough audience to make the Billboard top 40 a week from now. Taking 10 weeks to reach the BB top 40 isn't exactly how Thomas Rhett or Sam Hunt would do it, but it's perfectly respectable provided that there's a climb coming in the near future. It shouldn't take ten more weeks for Biscuits to be in contention for the top 30. (I hope.) Kacey landed at #39 on MB this week, from #45 the previous week.
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Post by wonderstruck on May 3, 2015 15:01:28 GMT -5
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Post by Kurt on May 3, 2015 15:08:23 GMT -5
Hmm, Friday releases don't start until July 10; wouldn't be terribly surprised if it goes back to the 30th, though.
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Post by matty005 on May 3, 2015 16:26:40 GMT -5
Hmm, Friday releases don't start until July 10; wouldn't be terribly surprised if it goes back to the 30th, though. I know this is a little off topic, but why are they switching albums being released on Tuesdays to Fridays? Is it a permanent thing?
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Post by Kurt on May 3, 2015 16:36:33 GMT -5
Hmm, Friday releases don't start until July 10; wouldn't be terribly surprised if it goes back to the 30th, though. I know this is a little off topic, but why are they switching albums being released on Tuesdays to Fridays? Is it a permanent thing? Yes, I believe it's intended to be permanent; the industry is switching to a global Friday release date mainly in hopes of diminishing piracy. There's a thread on it here in our business subforum.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 18:36:22 GMT -5
Hmm, Friday releases don't start until July 10; wouldn't be terribly surprised if it goes back to the 30th, though. Mercury Nashville is releasing Easton Corbin's next album on June 30th, and they also have Canaan Smith's debut album set for June 23, so I don't think it'll be either of those 2 days. I suppose it's possible, but I can't remember the last time a Nashville label released 2 albums on the same day. I'm not surprised that they're considering pushing it back a few weeks. This is one case where it's pretty obvious that the album is going to come out (rather than continuously being pushed back and/or eventually get shelved), but if it does come out a bit later then that'll provide more time for "Biscuits" to grow.
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Post by bboat11 on May 4, 2015 2:14:45 GMT -5
This song was on the radio as I was falling asleep last night, and it also came on to wake me up in the morning. I can't remember the last time that happened, especially with a song this low on the charts :)
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 2:35:33 GMT -5
I think perhaps Mercury was expecting this to not do more than scrape the top 40 on the airplay charts, and so they were prepared to release the album pretty soon anticipating this wouldn't last more than a few months, but after "Biscuits" started to show strong sales numbers and steady airplay growth her team probably realized they can keep this around longer and push it higher up the charts, so it would make sense to try to release the album around the time the single is receiving maximum airplay, which perhaps Mercury guesses will be around the end of June or early July. I think a top 30 peak is a reasonable expectation for this song. The only real "problem" is that it's so traditional, which frankly isn't what radio is looking for. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Kacey put out one more single off this album that can get at least as much airplay as "Biscuits."
As I've said before, I'm no fan of this song, as it's basically a radio edit of "Follow Your Arrow" (even a strikingly similar melody), but I'm excited for any artist who can get as passionate a following as Kacey Musgraves has, so I'll be interested to watch her career unfold.
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Post by countrygirl918 on May 4, 2015 12:17:54 GMT -5
I think perhaps Mercury was expecting this to not do more than scrape the top 40 on the airplay charts, and so they were prepared to release the album pretty soon anticipating this wouldn't last more than a few months, but after "Biscuits" started to show strong sales numbers and steady airplay growth her team probably realized they can keep this around longer and push it higher up the charts, so it would make sense to try to release the album around the time the single is receiving maximum airplay, which perhaps Mercury guesses will be around the end of June or early July. I think a top 30 peak is a reasonable expectation for this song. The only real "problem" is that it's so traditional, which frankly isn't what radio is looking for. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Kacey put out one more single off this album that can get at least as much airplay as "Biscuits." As I've said before, I'm no fan of this song, as it's basically a radio edit of "Follow Your Arrow" (even a strikingly similar melody), but I'm excited for any artist who can get as passionate a following as Kacey Musgraves has, so I'll be interested to watch her career unfold. Why would the label choose a lead single they didn't think they could work higher up the charts on radio? I don't think its sales numbers would have been a huge surprise to them - Kacey's always been a pretty decent seller. I think the label underestimated the length of time this would take to climb the charts, which could be the reason for pushing back the album's release. As you said, they'd want the album to drop around the time the single is receiving maximum airplay. But the release (if June 26th is correct) is only a couple of weeks later, so it won't necessarily make a huge difference. I suspect the push back is more likely due to some behind-the-scenes label stuff. (I'm more concerned with why Maddie & Tae's label apparently pushed back their album by nearly 3 months.)
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Post by wonderstruck on May 4, 2015 12:48:44 GMT -5
Kacey Musgraves is another unique female UMG act. And although she has crossover appeal through her friendship with Katy Perry, her upcoming sophomore set is defiantly old-school country. Is that a challenge for you?Mike Dungan: What Kacey does fundamentally is very country -- if anything, it's a little right-of-center for the country radio format. But, this is another extension of how the blurred lines manifest themselves. It's really just an appreciation for the real deal. Katy hears Kacey's music and says, "This is Âincredible," and they form a bond. There's no thought given to, "Well, she's not like me." Kacey's going to be everywhere we can place her, and we feel we have the right first single [with "Biscuits"]. It just has an up, happy vibe, similar to John Denver's [1975 hit] "Thank God, I'm a Country Boy." www.billboard.com/articles/business/6553846/mike-dungan-universal-music-group-nashville-interview
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