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Post by nikkominaj on Apr 17, 2015 11:25:27 GMT -5
If FourFiveSeconds can make the top 10, then this can too, especially if she does a hot performance at BBMA.
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Post by nighttime on Apr 17, 2015 12:01:08 GMT -5
The thing is, Rihanna is the kind of artist who CAN have multiple flops and recover no problem cuz of her work ethic, or at least that's how it used to be. But then: First the wait was 2 years, now the material is subpar. The next project will be a long while from now. That's a long time in today's standards for keeping momentum. I don't think people are willing to wait. Of course there will always be stans, but if this era goes the way it has been going, the fanbase will decrease, not increase. TEOM eras don't come around too often. Of course she can rebound, and most likely will, but it almost feels like she is peaking, and there is an Ariana or whoever else ready to take her place amongst the young listening crowd. Hopefully there is a "Rude Boy" on the album. She definitely needs it. The material being subpar is just your opinion. The rest of the album isn't even out yet. I also find it funny people criticise albums like Loud for having generic tracks and her for releasing Right Now and now are thirsty for a pop song or a "Rude Boy", lmao. I feel like we stans care more about charts on these boards than Rihanna does. She probably does not give a s**t, lmao. She already has 13 #1's and is putting out songs she feels happy about and that she likes. She's trying other sounds and experimenting and that's what I want for her and I'm happy for her. And why do you always bring other artists when talking about Rihanna? This is Rihanna, not Ariana or Beyoncé. If you look through any major previous Rihanna single thread you get pages and pages of this: pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/125370/rihanna-diamonds?page=15Unfortunately a mixed opinon of the song with more neutral opinionated individuals, complied with anything that is not #1, opens the door for some users to actively share their negative viewpoints of major pop star while masquerading as said moderate or even fans of their previous work. It's how conversations of Rihanna being replaced by [demeaning of level artist] or that she is struggling to keep up with [rival] get started, which couldn't be any more irrelevant to the topic at hand. Nothing of recent warrants such discussion.
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Post by nighttime on Apr 17, 2015 12:15:54 GMT -5
Anyway, I don't see this becoming a hit. Had it been released as the follow-up to "Four Five Seconds", it may have had more of a shot and compiled with the Tidal exclusive crap, this isn't going to see the "new song" momentum it would otherwise have. The song is a hard enough sell as it is to top 40, it would have needed to be executed perfectly.
That's okay however, because "Bitch Better Have My Money" will return to the top 10 on iTunes with a video as it has been hovering outside since. While it may not get much pop airplay, it's enough of a cultural novelty song to not matter in terms of the album's roll-out or future singles to pop.
Pop radio will give anything Rihanna releases the opportunity to smash if it's what they want, and will continue to do so for awhile as the media interest in her work is still undeniably elite level. There is no need to talk of her status in jeopardy because of this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 17:20:00 GMT -5
Sounds like a demo.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Apr 17, 2015 21:30:00 GMT -5
She's 0 for 3 for me, too. This album is not going to do much unless she has a trump card up her sleeve.
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Post by KissMyAxe on Apr 17, 2015 23:26:00 GMT -5
Oh Rihanna why? :( I was really looking forward to this era and was in desperate need of another Rude Boy type of smash from her but she gave us this? THIS? she totally lost me for this era, definitely 0 for 3 to me too
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Post by Au$tin on Apr 18, 2015 0:29:53 GMT -5
This isn't bad, but it doesn't really grab my attention too well. It's kind of just... there.
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Post by PopLuva on Apr 18, 2015 1:54:47 GMT -5
I bet they'll be rush releasing something else out very soon. I just dont see this being a hit or radio giving it a chance.
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 18, 2015 4:27:07 GMT -5
If FourFiveSeconds can make the top 10, then this can too, especially if she does a hot performance at BBMA. 45S made the top 10 because it was the first Rihanna's release in a good while. It was a hit, but in terms of pop airplay underperformed a bit in comparission with Rihanna's first singles in general. People compare this era with Rated R, but frankly in terms of quality i think the three singles of Rated R were better. People didn't have a good reaction to Russian Roulette and the label didn't have any patience to let the song grow, but even underperforming on airplay, the song was top 10 on the hot 100. And Hard was a decent hit, that's the kind of song with an urban sound that can be successful at pop. Rude boy was a big hit, i hate that song but it was a big hit anyway. I get the comparission in terms of being a more experimental era, with a departure from previous sounds. what i see problematic with this singles is that i can't see the hit potential anywhere. There are a lot of Rihanna songs that flopped but had the potential to be hits, from California King bed to Rehab, a lot of songs that for some reason didn't worked as well as expected but the potential was there. In this cases i even think 45S overachieved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 6:58:02 GMT -5
Rihanna has so many hits, that she's allowed to make a more artistic expression. I think if BWMM had caught on with POP after the radio deal she would've had her cake and eaten it too. Could you imagine if it did? She would've single handedly changed the sound of POP music going forward for the next few years. But it did not. She needs to just stick with AO and keep letting it grow, it's a good song with a good video. If you want 'rude boy' go listen to rude boy. I like AO
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 18, 2015 7:11:11 GMT -5
Rihanna has so many hits, that she's allowed to make a more artistic expression. I think if BWMM had caught on with POP after the radio deal she would've had her cake and eaten it too. Could you imagine if it did? She would've single handedly changed the sound of POP music going forward for the next few years. But it did not. She needs to just stick with AO and keep letting it grow, it's a good song with a good video. If you want 'rude boy' go listen to rude boy. I like AO To do something like that she should be someone who make trends, and frankly having a lot of hits don't make you that influential. It's true that you don't need to be a songwriter to do it (and Madonna proves that) but generally it helps. The truth is right now half of the divas who dominate the charts have their niches and going outside that sound instead of making something others will follow most of the times ends in flop
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Post by allow that on Apr 18, 2015 10:17:03 GMT -5
Rihanna has so many hits, that she's allowed to make a more artistic expression. I think if BWMM had caught on with POP after the radio deal she would've had her cake and eaten it too. Could you imagine if it did? She would've single handedly changed the sound of POP music going forward for the next few years. To do something like that she should be someone who make trends, and frankly having a lot of hits don't make you that influential. Rihanna is about as influential as it gets these days though. I was the first to simply call her "a hit maker" earlier in her career, but she eclipsed that several eras ago. She can create trends and in fact has done so before. But "BBHMM" was never going to single handedly change the sound of Pop. Why? Because it's not a new trend. It's along the lines of past hits of hers, most notably "Pour It Up." So why would Pop treat a song that's been there, done that (and not even a format hit) as a catalyst for change? Rihanna changed the direction of Pop in 08/09 when she was one of the first to arrive to the dancepop party, in 2011 when she broke Calvin Harris to US audiences, and in 2012 with "Diamonds." But none of her new singles, even if successful, bring anything different to the music scene. They're all sounds that have been done by other artists, either past or present. Just because it's a new direction for Rihanna doesn't make it a new direction from a musical pioneer standpoint, which is what she'd have to do (in an accessible way) in order to change the sound of pop.
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Post by NeRD on Apr 18, 2015 10:36:11 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea how this will perform.
Either way its may favorite song released so far this era.
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Post by Duca on Apr 18, 2015 15:04:25 GMT -5
Plummeting way too hard on iTunes...
American Oxygen #12 Sweden (-8) #12 Turkey (-10) #19 France (-14) #20 Brazil (-15) #24 Switzerland (-10) #28 Denmark (-18) #28 Russia (-8) #29 Spain (-16) #35 Norway (-20) #40 Netherlands (-18) #41 Germany (-11) #41 Philippines (-22) #43 United Kingdom (-16) #44 Canada (-21) #44 Ireland (-24) #46 Italy (-16) #51 United States (-26) #56 Austria (-20) #58 South Africa (-25) #63 Thailand (-41) #66 Australia (-15) #66 New Zealand (-34) #90 Belgium (-45) #102 Hong Kong (-73) #119 Indonesia (-20) #132 Mexico (-75)
Her team clearly has not found a smash yet since they aren't giving the album a release date or a title despite dropping the lead in January but she needs one because she's gonna tank otherwise. They will probably continue to throw around these singles praying something sticks. Wouldn't be surprised if they wait until November to drop the album.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 18, 2015 15:12:50 GMT -5
I really, really like this. I liked both of the first two singles, but so far this one is my favorite.
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Post by surfy on Apr 18, 2015 15:31:17 GMT -5
Why is everyone talking about FFS like it wasn't a big hit? It went top 5 on the Hot 100 and went top 10 on pop radio... this era is already a success.
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Post by shayonce on Apr 18, 2015 20:10:42 GMT -5
Well there's reason why no album date and all those singles.
her team are still taking demos beats, loooking for hot single.
Her team don't see 45s as success.
They know this era is mess and people in industry know it too. Overbudget already with over 2 years of sessions and stil recording, 2 radio deals and videos, cancled kanye riri tour.
I heard they're going to suprise relealse and let it go or re do the era in fall with Q4 album release. with this release I guess they choose tfirst option.
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Post by tamed09 on Apr 18, 2015 20:24:39 GMT -5
I don't think the first option would be smart. I think a surprise release works better when the consumer buys into the product with high expectations because of who the artist is. Whether it was Bey,D'Angelo, Drake we all kind of for the most part were like ok ill get into it even though i haven't heard anything really from it but if you drop singles alone and they aren't received well then why drop a full body out the blue? That doesn't make sense to me. Somewhere within all of these recording sessions is a Hot100 #1. I know it, i refuse to believe otherwise.
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Post by picklerclarkson on Apr 18, 2015 20:51:13 GMT -5
I like that she is trying to make a statement. I absolutely love this song, it has a timeless quality to it. I think people are severely underestimating this song.
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Post by secretchef on Apr 18, 2015 21:03:40 GMT -5
I really like this one. I'm not sure how it'll do, but I'll buy it. Hated the lead single.
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Post by Live Your Life on Apr 18, 2015 21:06:27 GMT -5
The bottom line is, the album should have been out about a month ago, while "FourFiveSeconds" was still a hit. They should have released a second single around that time too. Now, they have to wait for something to be a hit, and things aren't looking to good for this song. And it was stupid to use footage of the official video in the NCAA commercial and then have it premiere "exclusively" on TIDAL before YouTube and VEVO. There goes your video views, and there goes your new release hype. "Bitch Better Have My Money" is doing well enough, but I'm not sure if I would release an album off of it. Then again, I guess releasing the album off of that would be better than releasing it off of absolutely nothing. Seeing how everything has played out so far, I would have almost preferred a surprise release and/or no singles preceding the album release. That won't work now though because they've given people time to form an opinion on what has been released so far, throwing away the "surprise" factor and the opportunity to hear the songs in the context of the album. The fact that the album could possibly be out in June, when the first single was released in January, is a big problem. Things could definitely be worse, but for her, this is a disaster.
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Post by popbox on Apr 18, 2015 21:39:28 GMT -5
I still have doubts R8 is even close to being ready for release. Watch it be like a November release and none of these songs are even on it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 23:10:12 GMT -5
IDK, the era didn't feel messy when it was just FFS and BBHMM. And even AO, when you think about it, is on time; FFS just started its descent, so the next pop single needed to be released right now. No one should let how they feel about AO, or any of the songs really, convince them that her labels** are suddenly throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. They got the NCAA to use AO as March Madness promo weeks before we heard it in full, so I think they always had plans for it. I do agree that releasing it on Tidal first was not a good move. However, I chalk that up to Tidal's desperate attempt at promotion being sloppy, not R8 being sloppy.
The only thing that is odd at this point is that we still have no release date, and I have no idea what is up with that. I keep thinking she's going to announce it a week before it's out, but she really needs to drop this thing by May or else most anticipation will turn into annoyance and/or indifference, and then it will backfire.
**Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a joint release from Def Jam and Roc Nation, right? And after this she'll be solely on Roc Nation. I didn't think about that until earlier today and I wonder if that might be one reason why the release is being handled differently from previous eras; RN is probably letting or even encouraging Rihanna to take a different approach, and DJ probably isn't so concerned about her taking a risk because it's their last album with her. On a side note, maybe it's jut me but when a label knows that an artist is leaving, but they still have one more album to handle, it seems that things always seem to end up going much differently than we fans expected.
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Post by Pollen on Apr 19, 2015 13:24:48 GMT -5
Is that X Ambassadors doing backup vocals?
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 19, 2015 15:33:42 GMT -5
Why is everyone talking about FFS like it wasn't a big hit? It went top 5 on the Hot 100 and went top 10 on pop radio... this era is already a success. 45S is a big hit, but not by Rihanna standards, and no for being a first single in a good while, and no for being a big collaboration with two big artist. It's a bit like Michael and Janet Jackson's Scream or Mariah and Whitney's When you believe, they were hits but people expected way more. Anyway, all artist with long careers have less succesfull eras. What it would be curious if this is that era, i always thought Rihanna released just too many singles in too little time and that could burn out, but it could end being exactly the opposite
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Post by slamina on Apr 20, 2015 5:55:46 GMT -5
This is pleasant but unmemorable. It should not be a pop single. It's already out of the top 100 on iTunes.
Her label is a mess this era. IDK what she/they are thinking. FFS was a hit but not massive Rihanna lead single we are accustomed to and if that's all they have then there's gonna be a bumpy road ahead.
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Post by Aaron on Apr 20, 2015 6:29:49 GMT -5
Pop emergency?
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Post by Pollen on Apr 20, 2015 13:57:26 GMT -5
Now that I've finally listened to this in full, I'll say, it's the best of the three released so far, but that's not saying much. This is not single-worthy in any shape or form and is fairly dull. It doesn't go anywhere and it just feels like it's just sort of there.
And to answer my previous question, that is definitely Sam from X Ambassadors on backup vocals.
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Post by when the pawn... on Apr 20, 2015 14:06:54 GMT -5
Best case scenario is she tells us that FFS/BBHMM/AO were teasers and she surprise-releases an album in the next month/month and a half with none of those songs on it (or includes them as bonus tracks). At this point, unless she has a "We Found Love" or "Umbrella" waiting in the wings, putting out another single for us to judge before the album is risky considering none of the first 3 have been particularly well-received.
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Post by Kinney on Apr 20, 2015 16:49:19 GMT -5
A "surprise" release at this point would be pretty pointless though. With Bey/Drake/J Cole, there was no build up of singles to an album, they just sort of put it out there and let things unfold. Even if they didn't include these songs on the eventual release, I'm positive the public would think they were on there and treat it as if it was just the parent album.
They've squandered any chance to surprise release because she has been out there promoting the songs with videos and performances. Designating them as buzz singles wouldn't really help or hurt her, I think most people just wouldn't care.
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