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Post by hitseeker. on Apr 23, 2015 12:23:04 GMT -5
Mock-Up Update: (If my math is correct):
?? ?? RIHANNA American Oxygen 208 208 2.199
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Post by calichaos on Apr 23, 2015 20:29:34 GMT -5
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Post by downsouth on Apr 24, 2015 10:02:14 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time figuring out what she is doing this era. I loved BBHMM. I don't really like this one but I buy all her albums and see her in concert. She is one of my favorites.
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Post by Rican@ on Apr 24, 2015 12:23:55 GMT -5
It doesn't feel like an era at all to me.
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Post by allow that on Apr 24, 2015 12:25:45 GMT -5
It doesn't feel like an era at all to me. Sad but true.
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Post by hitseeker. on Apr 26, 2015 6:43:44 GMT -5
Again if my calculations are correct:
?? ?? RIHANNA American Oxygen 396 396 2.360
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Post by 1st2cents on Apr 26, 2015 9:45:38 GMT -5
Lots of talks around the web on how this song is under performing because the Tidal Exclusive and fans accusing the label for not promoting. Personally, I highly doubt it... The appeal of this entire Era is just not meant for the masses. Will give it to her for "Experimenting" and taking "Risks" but she and her fans will just have to accept that it's not going to be a monumental era... that is unless there are other ***Mass*** singles hidden up her sleaves ;) Just My 2 Cents
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Post by bitchplease on Apr 26, 2015 10:45:26 GMT -5
i received the official radio edit a few days ago. it clocks in at 3:40. it makes it much easier to listen to. what is going on w rihanna this era? out of all the pop girls, rihanna has been the one who always delivers with hits. she made it look so easy. this era is different tho. seems like the label doesnt really have a plan or know exactly what to do.
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Post by NeRD on Apr 26, 2015 11:29:01 GMT -5
She obviously has more control of this era having her own label being able to have more input. As someone else stated, I don't believe commercial success is a big priority this era. And even if it isn't this era has already been a success. 45s going Top 5 all over the world, BBHMM likely to go Top 10 on its intended formats and the Hot 100.
She's stepping out of her comfort zone going against the grain if what radio, general public, and casual fans want and expect from her. Honestly I've loved everything I've heard this far and still believe AO2 is an amazing song. It probably won't be a massive hit but that's not what's important right now. What is important is Rihanna having more artistic control. Something that had been substantially limited since the beginning of her career and I love it.
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Post by xykes on Apr 26, 2015 11:51:35 GMT -5
I used to think pop radio was so bland because labels forced homogeneity and safety onto the genre.
But, after all these Rihanna singles, I'm starting to think it's the audience that's more to blame...
P.S. There is nothing wrong with this song. As with 45S, if some alternative band released this, it could easily become one of those random hits like "Stolen Dance" or "Take Me to Church", no questions asked. But, it's Rihanna, so you come with a "pop jam" or don't come at all. Artists getting crammed into boxes all day...
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Post by tommymonster44 on Apr 26, 2015 13:46:32 GMT -5
i received the official radio edit a few days ago. it clocks in at 3:40. it makes it much easier to listen to. what is going on w rihanna this era? out of all the pop girls, rihanna has been the one who always delivers with hits. she made it look so easy. this era is different tho. seems like the label doesnt really have a plan or know exactly what to do. Rihanna has always had crazy release strategies (or lack thereof) as well as questionable promo plans. Out of all the pop girls, she's the one most notorious for releasing singles just to see what sticks. Remember how We Found Love was a huge hit, and then You Da One was sent to pop, there was that Birthday Cake stint, and Talk that Talk was sent to urban. Then almost a year after the first single, with no major hits since then, Where Have You Been was released as a single. Unapologetic was arguable even more of a mess. Diamonds and Stay were hits. Stay had a boring music video. Pour it Up was released to urban, people wanted it released to pop. There was going to be a video, then there wasn't. Love Song was released to urban. I'm pretty sure Right Now was sent to pop? Not sure, because it didn't do anything. What Now, which was a standout track on the album, was only released as a single to select countries. All the while she did almost zero promo. The fact is that Rihanna's strength has never been perfectly executed singles. I think a lot of fans are looking back at the singles that were successful, and then forgetting the four hot messes released in between those two hits. The rollout isn't the problem this era. Its simply that the music is less commercial. Its also hard to even classify it as a problem, since this seems to be a conscious decision on RIhanna's part.
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 26, 2015 14:56:13 GMT -5
I used to think pop radio was so bland because labels forced homogeneity and safety onto the genre. But, after all these Rihanna singles, I'm starting to think it's the audience that's more to blame... P.S. There is nothing wrong with this song. As with 45S, if some alternative band released this, it could easily become one of those random hits like "Stolen Dance" or "Take Me to Church", no questions asked. But, it's Rihanna, so you come with a "pop jam" or don't come at all. Artists getting crammed into boxes all day... Sorry, but no. 45S probably wouldn't even chart without the big names attached to it. Take me to church is a million times better song than 45s, with interesting lyrics and a soun totally different of what you use to listen on pop charts. 45S would be a decent accoustic song if Kanye didn't screw it up. The problem is not the pop jam, the problem is her songs not connecting with an audience, and frankly none of the three is particulary good, they are not awful, but there are a lot of better songs that don't get even near the top 50. Rihanna is not in a box, she released a lot of unexpected songs with a totally different sound from her previous ones that have success (most of the times) but claiming that people want only bland pop songs because her recent songs underperformed it's not fair. And we can even question the underperformance, 45S was a hit, maybe not a big one for a leading single but it was a hit. Bitch better have my money was not meant to be a pop hit, previous songs with similar sound weren't hits at pop either. And AO was barely released and received a lot of adds, so it's simply too soon to know how it's going to perform
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Post by Live Your Life on Apr 26, 2015 17:23:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I don't buy the whole "I don't care about commercial success" spiel from her or her team. Releasing an offbeat single is one thing, but she did not just spend 2+ years working on an album for nobody to buy it and/or its singles. We've heard that crock of shit from so many artists over the years, and they go running right back to radio with their next release. Not to mention that the fact that the album hasn't been released yet contradicts that notion because if they truly didn't care about commercial success, then the album could have really dropped at any time. They're waiting on another hit, and it doesn't look like they're going to get it with this song.
The way this era has played out is a result of poor planning, more than anything. Just look at the questionable decisions so far:
01. I, personally, wouldn't have chosen "FourFiveSeconds" as a single, let alone the first one, but whatever. It was a hit, so fine. But I thought it was stupid that they premiered it on a Saturday night (which makes absolutely no sense. With the way the charts are set up now, all singles should have a Monday release, IMO). Also, them holding off on Spotify didn't make much of a difference. 02. They were going to send "Towards the Sun" to radio last month, then it was pulled. She apparently shot a video for it and everything. Waste of money. 03. They released "Bitch Better Have My Money" on a Wednesday (should have been a Monday release as well) and orchestrated an iHeartRadio deal for pop radio when that was not the pop single. 04. They premiered the video for "American Oxygen" on TIDAL, which was a bad idea because of the negative coverage it's been receiving so far. Then, they decided to officially send it to pop radio, despite the reception for it being lukewarm and it having dismal single sales and low video views (for her). 05. The video for both "FourFiveSeconds" and "American Oxygen" look like they cost about $200 to make combined. For someone who's known for her beauty and aesthetics, you would think they would have put a little more effort into them. 06. She released an interlude from the album, in celebration of 420....AFTER 4/20.
I mean, seriously. What is going on with Roc Nation?
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Post by KissMyAxe on Apr 26, 2015 17:43:29 GMT -5
i received the official radio edit a few days ago. it clocks in at 3:40. it makes it much easier to listen to. what is going on w rihanna this era? out of all the pop girls, rihanna has been the one who always delivers with hits. she made it look so easy. this era is different tho. seems like the label doesnt really have a plan or know exactly what to do. Rihanna has always had crazy release strategies (or lack thereof) as well as questionable promo plans. Out of all the pop girls, she's the one most notorious for releasing singles just to see what sticks. Remember how We Found Love was a huge hit, and then You Da One was sent to pop, there was that Birthday Cake stint, and Talk that Talk was sent to urban. Then almost a year after the first single, with no major hits since then, Where Have You Been was released as a single. Unapologetic was arguable even more of a mess. Diamonds and Stay were hits. Stay had a boring music video. Pour it Up was released to urban, people wanted it released to pop. There was going to be a video, then there wasn't. Love Song was released to urban. I'm pretty sure Right Now was sent to pop? Not sure, because it didn't do anything. What Now, which was a standout track on the album, was only released as a single to select countries. All the while she did almost zero promo. The fact is that Rihanna's strength has never been perfectly executed singles. I think a lot of fans are looking back at the singles that were successful, and then forgetting the four hot messes released in between those two hits. The rollout isn't the problem this era. Its simply that the music is less commercial. Its also hard to even classify it as a problem, since this seems to be a conscious decision on RIhanna's part. here you go ;) as for Right Now it debuted at #37 and i guess it reached the lower 20s ? and What Now reached #21 on Mainstream Top 40 sorry dude, you got it wrong ;)
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Post by nick64 on Apr 26, 2015 18:35:42 GMT -5
Rihanna has always had crazy release strategies (or lack thereof) as well as questionable promo plans. Out of all the pop girls, she's the one most notorious for releasing singles just to see what sticks. Remember how We Found Love was a huge hit, and then You Da One was sent to pop, there was that Birthday Cake stint, and Talk that Talk was sent to urban. Then almost a year after the first single, with no major hits since then, Where Have You Been was released as a single. Unapologetic was arguable even more of a mess. Diamonds and Stay were hits. Stay had a boring music video. Pour it Up was released to urban, people wanted it released to pop. There was going to be a video, then there wasn't. Love Song was released to urban. I'm pretty sure Right Now was sent to pop? Not sure, because it didn't do anything. What Now, which was a standout track on the album, was only released as a single to select countries. All the while she did almost zero promo. The fact is that Rihanna's strength has never been perfectly executed singles. I think a lot of fans are looking back at the singles that were successful, and then forgetting the four hot messes released in between those two hits. The rollout isn't the problem this era. Its simply that the music is less commercial. Its also hard to even classify it as a problem, since this seems to be a conscious decision on RIhanna's part. here you go ;) as for Right Now it debuted at #37 and i guess it reached the lower 20s ? and What Now reached #21 on Mainstream Top 40 sorry dude, you got it wrong ;) "Right Now" made it to #15 And "Talk That Talk" was sent to pop too. Reached #26.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 19:04:13 GMT -5
I like when artists go out the box and do something different but i dont like it when that something different is dull and boring.
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Apr 26, 2015 21:29:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I don't buy the whole "I don't care about commercial success" spiel from her or her team. Releasing an offbeat single is one thing, but she did not just spend 2+ years working on an album for nobody to buy it and/or its singles. We've heard that crock of s**t from so many artists over the years, and they go running right back to radio with their next release. Not to mention that the fact that the album hasn't been released yet contradicts that notion because if they truly didn't care about commercial success, then the album could have really dropped at any time. They're waiting on another hit, and it doesn't look like they're going to get it with this song. The way this era has played out is a result of poor planning, more than anything. Just look at the questionable decisions so far: 01. I, personally, wouldn't have chosen "FourFiveSeconds" as a single, let alone the first one, but whatever. It was a hit, so fine. But I thought it was stupid that they premiered it on a Saturday night (which makes absolutely no sense. With the way the charts are set up now, all singles should have a Monday release, IMO). Also, them holding off on Spotify didn't make much of a difference. 02. They were going to send "Towards the Sun" to radio last month, then it was pulled. She apparently shot a video for it and everything. Waste of money. 03. They released "Bitch Better Have My Money" on a Wednesday (should have been a Monday release as well) and orchestrated an iHeartRadio deal for pop radio when that was not the pop single. 04. They premiered the video for "American Oxygen" on TIDAL, which was a bad idea because of the negative coverage it's been receiving so far. Then, they decided to officially send it to pop radio, despite the reception for it being lukewarm and it having dismal single sales and low video views (for her). 05. The video for both "FourFiveSeconds" and "American Oxygen" look like they cost about $200 to make combined. For someone who's known for her beauty and aesthetics, you would think they would have put a little more effort into them. 06. She released an interlude from the album, in celebration of 420....AFTER 4/20. I mean, seriously. What is going on with Roc Nation? As much as I love Rih and support her, I'm not going to act like this era hasn't been an epic hot ass mess. Especially coming off six highly successful eras in a row.
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Post by Grim on Apr 26, 2015 21:58:48 GMT -5
Releasing this to Tidal as an exclusive was one thing, but then releasing it as a single two weeks later is such a waste of time. I don't think it was ever their intention for the album to be out yet. Her description of hearing new music "little by little" back in December fits the bill thus far. The only thing that we probably weren't expecting is for most of the new music to be very underwhelming. It's one thing to release a non-commercial song, but none of the songs she's released thus far have been "great" in my book. BBHMM is the best of the bunch, but it's not special nor would I classify it as "great". It's simply the best because the other songs have just been that bad. I am extremely disappointed as a fan. I have always said if I liked the music I wouldn't care how it charts, but I never expected her to release such awful songs especially after such a long break.
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Post by hitseeker. on Apr 27, 2015 6:13:07 GMT -5
Pop:75 50 RIHANNA American Oxygen 547 120 427 2.758 Finally!
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Post by hitseeker. on Apr 28, 2015 6:07:55 GMT -5
Pop:70 47 RIHANNA American Oxygen 690 145 545 3.092 +143 Spins +128 Bullet +0.334 AI
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Post by nikkominaj on Apr 28, 2015 9:53:52 GMT -5
Lol good start!
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Post by NeRD on Apr 28, 2015 16:25:21 GMT -5
How many adds so far today?
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Post by Kurt on Apr 28, 2015 16:27:55 GMT -5
How many adds so far today? HITS says 16 so far - not final for another half hour.
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Post by hitseeker. on Apr 28, 2015 17:24:49 GMT -5
Final numbers are in: 19 adds on Pop, 53 total ~28% of the panel.
It also got 5 adds on Hot AC yesterday (adding to the 3 it got there the week before). Yesterday was the Hot AC's adds date.
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Post by tommymonster44 on Apr 29, 2015 1:29:47 GMT -5
Rihanna has always had crazy release strategies (or lack thereof) as well as questionable promo plans. Out of all the pop girls, she's the one most notorious for releasing singles just to see what sticks. Remember how We Found Love was a huge hit, and then You Da One was sent to pop, there was that Birthday Cake stint, and Talk that Talk was sent to urban. Then almost a year after the first single, with no major hits since then, Where Have You Been was released as a single. Unapologetic was arguable even more of a mess. Diamonds and Stay were hits. Stay had a boring music video. Pour it Up was released to urban, people wanted it released to pop. There was going to be a video, then there wasn't. Love Song was released to urban. I'm pretty sure Right Now was sent to pop? Not sure, because it didn't do anything. What Now, which was a standout track on the album, was only released as a single to select countries. All the while she did almost zero promo. The fact is that Rihanna's strength has never been perfectly executed singles. I think a lot of fans are looking back at the singles that were successful, and then forgetting the four hot messes released in between those two hits. The rollout isn't the problem this era. Its simply that the music is less commercial. Its also hard to even classify it as a problem, since this seems to be a conscious decision on RIhanna's part. here you go ;) as for Right Now it debuted at #37 and i guess it reached the lower 20s ? and What Now reached #21 on Mainstream Top 40 sorry dude, you got it wrong ;) If I remember correctly, the video wasn't released when it was needed. Pour it up was climbing up the charts, and the video was released long after when nobody cared anymore. The song peaked on Billboard in March. That video is dated as being released the following October. Also, when is a peak in the 20's considered a successful peak for a star as famous as Rihanna? Edit: I see that Right Now reached number 15. My point still stands, though. Especially considering how little demand there was for the song streaming and sales wise.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 29, 2015 4:37:16 GMT -5
I don't get people saying that this, 45S and BBHMM are not commercial??
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Post by hitseeker. on Apr 29, 2015 6:19:11 GMT -5
Pop:68 44 RIHANNA American Oxygen 851 177 674 3.489 +161 Spins +129 Bullet +0.397 AI iTunes: #160
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Post by Kishi KCM on Apr 29, 2015 8:42:24 GMT -5
here you go ;) as for Right Now it debuted at #37 and i guess it reached the lower 20s ? and What Now reached #21 on Mainstream Top 40 sorry dude, you got it wrong ;) If I remember correctly, the video wasn't released when it was needed. Pour it up was climbing up the charts, and the video was released long after when nobody cared anymore. The song peaked on Billboard in March. That video is dated as being released the following October. Also, when is a peak in the 20's considered a successful peak for a star as famous as Rihanna? Edit: I see that Right Now reached number 15. My point still stands, though. Especially considering how little demand there was for the song streaming and sales wise. The video delay for "Pour It Up" was a blunder as well as releasing "Right Now". She's never performed it and the song is generic as hell. But that's in the past. Back to the present....I love "American Oxygen", it's a grower. I definitely liked it instantly on first listen and with each listen, it gets stuck in my head more.
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Post by divasummer on Apr 29, 2015 11:49:26 GMT -5
Are they putting the radio edit on ITunes to purchase? I dislike when songs are 5 plus minutes when they don't need to be.
Ps generic or not I Loved "Right Now".
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Post by musiciscool on Apr 29, 2015 13:34:12 GMT -5
Are they putting the radio edit on ITunes to purchase? I dislike when songs are 5 plus minutes when they don't need to be. Ps generic or not I Loved "Right Now". I agree. "Right Now" is such a JAM!
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