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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 1:37:17 GMT -5
Grammys is not about music rather than business and commercialism, so I don´t bother to consider this award important about art.
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Post by cking33 on Feb 16, 2016 1:40:39 GMT -5
Grrr... I had to work and my DVR didn't record it. Anyone know a place I can watch a stream of the show?
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Post by Heart Shaped Box on Feb 16, 2016 1:58:47 GMT -5
In terms of artistic merit, Kendrick really dropped a game changing rap album. He set the bar tremendously high for his genre and I am proud of him for being acknowledged.
Taylor represents the business of music - and not only was her album a success through various perspectives, she did shake up the industry (a tad bit) with her support of artists versus streaming service royalties. Her album kind of stood as a symbol of that. So I'm not mad at her for winning over a well more crafted artistic piece of music (Kendrick) since her music (fortunately for her) impacts music culture so much.
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Post by Joe1240 on Feb 16, 2016 2:02:52 GMT -5
3 out of 7 not bad for Taylor including the AOTY win. Glad Taylor got it. It was more so the Grammys making up for last year's mess when Beck won over Beyoncé. Well Deserved Wins for Taylor Swift.Now we can say 10-time Grammy award winner Taylor Swift. :)
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Post by Landmarx on Feb 16, 2016 2:13:03 GMT -5
3 out of 7 not bad for Taylor including the AOTY win. Glad Taylor got it. It was more so the Grammys making up for last year's mess when Beck won over Beyoncé. Well Deserved Wins for Taylor Swift.Now we can say 10-time Grammy award winner Taylor Swift. :) I agree Becky! It's a mess when female pop singers don't win. A mess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 3:01:35 GMT -5
The show tonight was pretty underwhelming. Most of the winners were well-deserved so I had no problem with that, but a lot of the performances were average at best. I think the tribute ones sounded the best.
I'm a big fan of Taylor's and I think 1989 is a great album (and I was happy that she won), but I didn't like her speech at all. It's simply a matter of preference, and I always prefer award speeches that are more humble in tone. *shrugs*
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Post by Albie on Feb 16, 2016 3:04:02 GMT -5
Ugh who f**ked up Adele? Welp this wasn't the best show but not the worst either, with exception of all the technical difficulties - couldn't hear half the performances. And aww its taken all these years for Bieber to grow that little stubble? Good performance though. Kendrick for sure wins the night performance-wise with Slady Gaga right behind. Alabama Shakes on point as always! Great win too! #justice4emotion Oh horchata sorry for all the notifications but pretty much your entire commentary was my thought progression throughout the night lol
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Post by magik on Feb 16, 2016 3:08:41 GMT -5
How many saying Kendrick deserved AOTY have actually listened to the whole album... I can honestly say I listen to the album several times a week, and I can honestly tell you that it is a better album than 1989. Album of the Year notoriously goes to the wrong choice, so I'm not surprised.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Feb 16, 2016 3:19:48 GMT -5
I can't at this white mediocrity being awarded AOTY twice. Why does "white" have to even be a word included? Not everything in this world is a race issue. "1989" was critically well received and sold millions upon millions more than its fellow nominees. While you personally may find it "mediocre", the fact is that the majority of people's whose opinions are of importance (buying public + critics) found it quite good. I don't see why people just can't give props where props are due. Because we don't live in a vacuum. Sure, not everything in the world is a race issue, but whether you're aware of it or not, race factors into a lot of things. In American society, white mediocrity is often rewarded. Simple as. Given what we know about the voting process and how voters make decisions, I find it to be no surprise that someone of Taylor's demographic would win. She's easy to digest. It's not explicit or malicious racism or anything. But her race certainly isn't a hindrance. I'm not going to engage this topic any further, because I honestly do not care that much. Can't say I'm surprised at a white person saying everything in the world isn't a race issue. Tell that to the newspaper articles that make sure to articulate if a person was middle eastern/Muslim or black. But the "white" aspect was an aside anyway. It's not directly about her race, but there's an aspect there that does exist. As Cynthia mentioned, it's more about genre, but still. I thought the album was mediocre. That's my opinion. That's what we're here to do. Give our feedback or opinion on the show. The bit about important opinions is irrelevant. No need to try to belittle me with such a laughable statement. I expected the nomination and win. It was generally well-received, however not so much in comparison to her opponents in the category. I'm sorry that I don't shape my opinion on commercial success.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 16, 2016 6:43:38 GMT -5
Taylor'S speech was inappropriate. She should've saved the bragging for the press room back stage.
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Post by matty005 on Feb 16, 2016 6:45:48 GMT -5
Taylor'S speech was inappropriate. She should've saved the bragging for the press room back stage. I don't know. One of rap's biggest artists in 10 years releases a song saying he is the reason for all your fame and success. Then, just days later you win music's biggest prize. I get why she did it.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 16, 2016 6:57:21 GMT -5
He is part of the reason. Taylor was a mid level country crossover until the big scary black man attacked her on tv and middle America decided she was the second coming. She wouldn't be where she is today if it weren't for Kanye putting her face on every TV screen in America on repeat for a week after the VMAs
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Post by Colton on Feb 16, 2016 7:51:11 GMT -5
He is part of the reason. Taylor was a mid level country crossover until the big scary black man attacked her on tv and middle America decided she was the second coming. She wouldn't be where she is today if it weren't for Kanye putting her face on every TV screen in America on repeat for a week after the VMAs The lies in this post
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 16, 2016 8:05:25 GMT -5
LMAO at people trying to discredit Taylor. Taylor was huge long before Kanye's rude ass interrupted her. She did win the award that night, don't forget, and it was fan voted... She wasn't just some random guest. The Kanye/Taylor feud blew up - but not enough to generate ten Grammy wins over the course of the following seven years.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 8:31:54 GMT -5
How many saying Kendrick deserved AOTY have actually listened to the whole album... I can honestly say I listen to the album several times a week, and I can honestly tell you that it is a better album than 1989. Album of the Year notoriously goes to the wrong choice, so I'm not surprised. I don't listen to it a ton, but that doesn't mean I don't love it. To me it's a very expansive, challenging, deep album and not one you necessarily want to listen to driving to work or something. That doesn't mean it isn't great, though. I don't think someone has to listen to something on the daily for it to be the best.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 8:33:39 GMT -5
3 out of 7 not bad for Taylor including the AOTY win. Glad Taylor got it. It was more so the Grammys making up for last year's mess when Beck won over Beyoncé. If anything Kendrick Lamar winning would have "made up" for last year. The music Beyonce makes is more akin to Lamar than Swift. Kanye didn't put Taylor on the map by any means, but what his actions did do was help her cultivate that victim personality. I think it all helped people view her a certain way, and Swift has run with it by writing songs about how people like John Mayer treated her. Meanwhile Janet Mock tweeted "The first woman to win Album of the Year twice but no women producers standing behind you." Welp...
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 8:54:20 GMT -5
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Post by bat1990 on Feb 16, 2016 9:08:53 GMT -5
It's okay that Tori Kelly didn't win. It means her career won't have the Best New Artist curse.
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Post by Clauss on Feb 16, 2016 9:15:18 GMT -5
3 out of 7 not bad for Taylor including the AOTY win. Glad Taylor got it. It was more so the Grammys making up for last year's mess when Beck won over Beyoncé. If anything Kendrick Lamar winning would have "made up" for last year. The music Beyonce makes is more akin to Lamar than Swift. Kanye didn't put Taylor on the map by any means, but what his actions did do was help her cultivate that victim personality. I think it all helped people view her a certain way, and Swift has run with it by writing songs about how people like John Mayer treated her. Meanwhile Janet Mock tweeted "The first woman to win Album of the Year twice but no women producers standing behind you." Welp... Sadly Imogean Heap couldn't be there
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 9:15:48 GMT -5
It's okay that Tori Kelly didn't win. It means her career won't have the Best New Artist curse. Yeah, it's a shame The Beatles, Mariah Carey, Alicia Keys, Adele, and Maroon 5 never got the careers they deserved.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 16, 2016 9:19:55 GMT -5
Kanye West of all people is not one to give consideration to at award shows of all things. This is just another notch on his stunt record, and he didn't even have to be there for this one.
And just crediting him with her blowup is incorrect and frankly flat out wrong. Both Love Story and YBWM had been huge crossover hits and her album was already the top selling of the year (she'd even blocked the grammy winner that year), far bigger than other crossover country acts. She already had a very strong base at that point. The point about the hype from that simultaneously fueling and semi-shielding her victim angle, turning her into White America's favorite manchild, and ultimately lingering long enough to affect votes holds though. But even with all of that, she was majorly huge in the US by the time that happened.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 9:22:29 GMT -5
She wouldn't be where she is today if it weren't for Kanye putting her face on every TV screen in America on repeat for a week after the VMAs There's little to no evidence to suggest this is true. Right around the time he did this, she was already getting hits on pop and being recognized as an on-the-rise crossover artist. I guess you could spin it that Kanye "helped" by giving the media another reason to talk about her, but she was already doing just fine by herself. To suggest that that was her breakout moment is ludicrous, because that already happened. She always would've had it in her head to be a pop star and would've continued pushing the same sounds and music that actually did make her the biggest name in music going forward, so all he really did, if anything, is grant her some sympathy points from the GP. That's not that much.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Feb 16, 2016 9:25:41 GMT -5
LMAO at people trying to discredit Taylor. Taylor was huge long before Kanye's rude ass interrupted her. She did win the award that night, don't forget, and it was fan voted... She wasn't just some random guest. The Kanye/Taylor feud blew up - but not enough to generate ten Grammy wins over the course of the following seven years. You can't deny the impact he had on her fame. Sure, she was definitely successful before the incident. However, she wasn't a household name. That incident took her to a new level in terms of GP name recognition, and did so with sympathy and support. I wouldn't go so far to say that Kanye made her famous, but he certainly didn't hurt her public perception and relevance. Just look at her google trends up to that point and immediately afterward. She didn't need that moment, but it didn't hurt. She was already breaking through to the mainstream (LS & YBWM were my shit in 9th grade). I think you can acknowledge that it was a big moment for her without crediting Kanye for her success. Everything isn't so black and white.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 9:39:39 GMT -5
By the way Kendrick did "The Blacker The Berry" as the opening part of his performances, and in it he raps about his hair being "nappy" and his nose being "wide." Ultimately the song deals with a lot of conflicted feelings about what it means to be black in 2015. This is the song that should have gotten the attention "Formation" received.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Feb 16, 2016 9:44:43 GMT -5
Did Kendrick drop "The Blacker The Berry" one day before a scheduled appears at the Superbowl, and then perform it there? Is Kendrick generally not known for addressing tough topics such as police brutality and racism?
The answers to these questions may give you some insight as to why it did not receive the same attention that "Formation" did.
Expectation vs Reality. Context.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 9:56:03 GMT -5
Did Kendrick drop "The Blacker The Berry" one day before a scheduled appears at the Superbowl, and then perform it there? Is Kendrick generally not known for addressing tough topics such as police brutality and racism? The answers to these questions may give you some insight as to why it did not receive the same attention that "Formation" did. Expectation vs Reality. Context. Please show me where I asked why it didn't get the same attention.
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Post by imbondz on Feb 16, 2016 9:58:35 GMT -5
Wasn't Taylor winning Video of the year award when Kanye 'made her famous'?
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 16, 2016 10:02:00 GMT -5
Wasn't Taylor winning Video of the year award when Kanye 'made her famous'? I think it was Female Video. And again, no one has denied Swift was popular before that moment. And I don't think anyone disagrees that Kanye's remark was kind of ridiculous, but that's Kanye for it. But I do think it's reasonable to think that moment took Swift to another level in a pop culture sense. It brought her a lot of attention, and from a sympathetic angle. It made people want to rally around her. That's invaluable when it comes to a career. A lot of people are successful/known, but it takes having people invested in an artist on a personal level to take them to superstar level. That VMAs moment did that for Swift (which isn't to say it wouldn't have happened anyway).
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Feb 16, 2016 10:05:40 GMT -5
Did Kendrick drop "The Blacker The Berry" one day before a scheduled appears at the Superbowl, and then perform it there? Is Kendrick generally not known for addressing tough topics such as police brutality and racism? The answers to these questions may give you some insight as to why it did not receive the same attention that "Formation" did. Expectation vs Reality. Context. Please show me where I asked why it didn't get the same attention. You didn't explicitly ask why. But when someone raises a point that "X deserved the attention that Y received," generally the next steps in a discussion is the deconstruction of the "Why" behind it. I mean...I don't disagree with your post.
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Post by surfy on Feb 16, 2016 10:06:03 GMT -5
1. Remember that music is subjective. Taylor and Kendrick are both talented in their own right, you want to blame anyone, blame the Grammy committee not the artist.
2. Taylor has won 10 GRAMMYS, and is the first female artist to win 2 AOTY awards for her own work, why are we attacking her for being confident and proud of her accomplishments? (I'm sure I could figure out why, but I won't go there...)
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