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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Apr 3, 2015 7:54:10 GMT -5
Why wouldn't you say that? In terms if violent crimes, it's the safest it's been in over 60 years. People are living 6 years longer than they were in just 1990. Medicine can cure diseases that were deadly during our parent's generation. I get that in may not, seem safer, but the facts clearly show that it is. I haven't heard these statistics if they're true. And either way, I feel like the crimes that do happen now are far more gruesome and advanced because of how the world has changed. There are these big terrorism attacks happening regularly all over the world in big cities (we just had a big one happen in Kenya yesterday that claimed almost 150 university student lives -- that s**t don't sound like a safe world to me) that are supposed to be pretty "safe" and it's all over the news. Medicine isn't really what I'm talking about at all; I'm talking about things that are unpreventable, like if I were to walk into a store and get gunned down by a random robber because I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have to side with matty005 on this one. The world as a whole is a much much safer place now just going by crime. There's a big terrorist thing going on that makes it seem worse at this moment but taking the big view of things the world is safer. If these same terrorists were around 50 years ago they'd probably have a higher death toll to their names. To tie this back to the song, I haven't heard it yet but I can say that I appreciate Toby releasing it even if it's not perfectly written. This discussion is both more interesting and more important than anything we would've been inspired to have with a new Bro-Song. It may not be a hit but it has us talking and most of us haven't heard it yet.
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Post by carriekins on Apr 3, 2015 10:13:18 GMT -5
I don't particularly think the world is safer, and if it is, at what expense? From a mother's perspective, I won't be able to let my daughter ride her bike to the local convenience store when she's a little older for fear that the cops will be called because she's an "unsupervised minor." (This happens regularly.) Her upbringing will be vastly different from my own, where I could roam free with my friends and go to the park without our parents, and ride our bikes to Circle K for slurpees in the summer. I honestly have a lot of anxiety about raising my daughter in the world today, because I don't really find it to be that safe at all.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Apr 3, 2015 10:31:42 GMT -5
Maybe my perspective is a little different given that I live in Canada but where I live I'd have no qualms about my kids going out alone. My town is safe, but we're a very close community so that could be it as well. And the world is not just the U.S. I think the statistic of it being safer comes from the reduced violence in 2nd and 3rd world countries, where's I think in 1st world like Canada and U.S. they've dropped but not as drastically.
I admit it's been a few years since I've done a deeper reading of these statistics but the reports I read are saying the same things as they did when I did do the research.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 3, 2015 10:42:26 GMT -5
I don't particularly think the world is safer, and if it is, at what expense? From a mother's perspective, I won't be able to let my daughter ride her bike to the local convenience store when she's a little older for fear that the cops will be called because she's an "unsupervised minor." (This happens regularly.) Her upbringing will be vastly different from my own, where I could roam free with my friends and go to the park without our parents, and ride our bikes to Circle K for slurpees in the summer. I honestly have a lot of anxiety about raising my daughter in the world today, because I don't really find it to be that safe at all. You won't respond to me, but look up the data. Even though you felt safer doing that as a kid, the statistics show it is much safer for your daughter to ride her bike to Circle K than it was for you.
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Post by carriekins on Apr 3, 2015 10:44:42 GMT -5
I don't particularly think the world is safer, and if it is, at what expense? From a mother's perspective, I won't be able to let my daughter ride her bike to the local convenience store when she's a little older for fear that the cops will be called because she's an "unsupervised minor." (This happens regularly.) Her upbringing will be vastly different from my own, where I could roam free with my friends and go to the park without our parents, and ride our bikes to Circle K for slurpees in the summer. I honestly have a lot of anxiety about raising my daughter in the world today, because I don't really find it to be that safe at all. You won't respond to me, but look up the data. Even though you felt safer doing that as a kid, the statistics show it is much safer for your daughter to ride her bike to Circle K than it was for you. But she CAN'T, that's what I'm saying. Literally every week on the mom blogs that I follow there are more reports of cops being called on kids who are doing nothing more than playing in a park or riding their bikes because people freak out that parents have the audacity to let them have some freedom. It may be safer, but people are crazy.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 3, 2015 12:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by phil1996 on Apr 3, 2015 14:55:54 GMT -5
I love this. It won't do anything at all on the charts, but the lyrics are great, and so true. Can't stand the way teens/20 year olds act nowadays. It's disgusting. We all come from different areas, so we obviously won't have the same opinion, this is just mine.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 3, 2015 15:01:06 GMT -5
I love this. It won't do anything at all on the charts, but the lyrics are great, and so true. Can't stand the way teens/20 year olds act nowadays. It's disgusting. We all come from different areas, so we obviously won't have the same opinion, this is just mine. I'm confident it'll hit Top 20.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 3, 2015 15:43:48 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of "statistics show" but I'm not seeing any actual proof of that. If someone wants to post some compelling evidence that supports that the world is so much safer today, I'll read it. That said, I still align with the view of carriekins. When my dad was a kid back in the 70s, he made his own fireworks for fun; now we have kids taking guns to school. Even some of the stuff I was allowed to do as a kid in the late 90s-early 2000s, would probably not be something I'd be so comfortable letting my future children do. As long as free will exists and things like guns and cars and drugs, etc. exist, the world isn't going to be "safe." You can do things to try and make it safer, but that only causes crime to evolve. ETA: Listening to this in full now for the first time and I love it. I instantly got goosebumps on my arms, so that's always a good sign. The melody and vocal on this are excellent. <3
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Apr 3, 2015 15:55:31 GMT -5
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Post by phil1996 on Apr 3, 2015 16:21:00 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of "statistics show" but I'm not seeing any actual proof of that. If someone wants to post some compelling evidence that supports that the world is so much safer today, I'll read it. That said, I still align with the view of carriekins. When my dad was a kid back in the 70s, he made his own fireworks for fun; now we have kids taking guns to school. Even some of the stuff I was allowed to do as a kid in the late 90s-early 2000s, would probably not be something I'd be so comfortable letting my future children do. As long as free will exists and things like guns and cars and drugs, etc. exist, the world isn't going to be "safe." You can do things to try and make it safer, but that only causes crime to evolve. ETA: Listening to this in full now for the first time and I love it. I instantly got goosebumps on my arms, so that's always a good sign. The melody and vocal on this are excellent. <3 100%. Yes. I don't care what the stats say. My grandparents, and my parents, (along with plenty of other close 50+ year old friends) told me as a kid about a decade ago about how the world is not even close to as safe as it was back in the day, and now in my 20s, I know exactly what they were talking about. My grandparents lived in a beautiful house in a beautiful Ohio area for over 70 years, and a few years ago, it got so bad in those streets that they had to move out, and that's as far as I'll go..don't want to get too off topic/personal here. Back on topic, I agree with indulge, Toby's voice sounds great in this. Hope it does well.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Apr 3, 2015 16:52:03 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of "statistics show" but I'm not seeing any actual proof of that. If someone wants to post some compelling evidence that supports that the world is so much safer today, I'll read it. That said, I still align with the view of carriekins. When my dad was a kid back in the 70s, he made his own fireworks for fun; now we have kids taking guns to school. Even some of the stuff I was allowed to do as a kid in the late 90s-early 2000s, would probably not be something I'd be so comfortable letting my future children do. As long as free will exists and things like guns and cars and drugs, etc. exist, the world isn't going to be "safe." You can do things to try and make it safer, but that only causes crime to evolve. ETA: Listening to this in full now for the first time and I love it. I instantly got goosebumps on my arms, so that's always a good sign. The melody and vocal on this are excellent. <3 100%. Yes. I don't care what the stats say. My grandparents, and my parents, (along with plenty of other close 50+ year old friends) told me as a kid about a decade ago about how the world is not even close to as safe as it was back in the day, and now in my 20s, I know exactly what they were talking about. My grandparents lived in a beautiful house in a beautiful Ohio area for over 70 years, and a few years ago, it got so bad in those streets that they had to move out, and that's as far as I'll go..don't want to get too off topic/personal here. Back on topic, I agree with indulge, Toby's voice sounds great in this. Hope it does well. "I don't care what the stats say" sounds very lazy and unintelligent. There is a big difference between anecdotal evidence and empirical evidence...
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Post by phil1996 on Apr 3, 2015 17:05:29 GMT -5
100%. Yes. I don't care what the stats say. My grandparents, and my parents, (along with plenty of other close 50+ year old friends) told me as a kid about a decade ago about how the world is not even close to as safe as it was back in the day, and now in my 20s, I know exactly what they were talking about. My grandparents lived in a beautiful house in a beautiful Ohio area for over 70 years, and a few years ago, it got so bad in those streets that they had to move out, and that's as far as I'll go..don't want to get too off topic/personal here. Back on topic, I agree with indulge, Toby's voice sounds great in this. Hope it does well. "I don't care what the stats say" sounds very lazy and unintelligent. There is a big difference between anecdotal evidence and empirical evidence... Nah, I don't wanna hear that. I've been told that by elders, AND I have experience that I'd rather not share here. Maybe I didn't make myself clear in my previous post, my bad, I suppose.
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Post by jesster on Apr 3, 2015 18:15:46 GMT -5
I couldn't make much from the short clip at ToC or the lyrics.
In context of the full song, and with the Mom reference in the intro, I rather like it and Toby does sound very good.
This is much better than Drunk Americans which got into the top 30, I could see this going higher. Whether one has traditional views or not, it is true that many do and it's a reasonable (and classic) topic for conversation whether the past or the present is better and why. For me this has a little bit of the lyrical vibe of Made in America, or even Automatic.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 3, 2015 18:45:14 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of "statistics show" but I'm not seeing any actual proof of that. If someone wants to post some compelling evidence that supports that the world is so much safer today, I'll read it. That said, I still align with the view of carriekins. When my dad was a kid back in the 70s, he made his own fireworks for fun; now we have kids taking guns to school. Even some of the stuff I was allowed to do as a kid in the late 90s-early 2000s, would probably not be something I'd be so comfortable letting my future children do. As long as free will exists and things like guns and cars and drugs, etc. exist, the world isn't going to be "safe." You can do things to try and make it safer, but that only causes crime to evolve. ETA: Listening to this in full now for the first time and I love it. I instantly got goosebumps on my arms, so that's always a good sign. The melody and vocal on this are excellent. <3 Well, if you think kids making fireworks on their own means the world was safer back then, I really won't be able to convince you no matter what I say.
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Post by rjz on Apr 3, 2015 20:48:53 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of "statistics show" but I'm not seeing any actual proof of that. If someone wants to post some compelling evidence that supports that the world is so much safer today, I'll read it. That said, I still align with the view of carriekins. When my dad was a kid back in the 70s, he made his own fireworks for fun; now we have kids taking guns to school. Even some of the stuff I was allowed to do as a kid in the late 90s-early 2000s, would probably not be something I'd be so comfortable letting my future children do. As long as free will exists and things like guns and cars and drugs, etc. exist, the world isn't going to be "safe." You can do things to try and make it safer, but that only causes crime to evolve. ETA: Listening to this in full now for the first time and I love it. I instantly got goosebumps on my arms, so that's always a good sign. The melody and vocal on this are excellent. <3 Well, if you think kids making fireworks on their own means the world was safer back then, I really won't be able to convince you no matter what I say. I think Matty05 makes a good point and I agree as far as an individual's safety in today's world. I think there are two major things that can make people perceive the world as less safe now. The media-we are subject to 24/7 views of violence -in the good old days we just didn't know about it. Parenting styles. The Helicopter parents (yes, I am guilty on this front): we don't allow our kids to ride around and play unsupervised-not like the 'good old days' when we ran around the neighborhood, played in the tree fort and toilet papered houses on a regular basis-without our parents having complete access to us on cell phones. They had no clue what we were up to, so chose to believe we were safe. And that was not always the case. We are afraid (either because of the media-or because of legitimate public education resulting in getting smart enough to not allow our kids to build their own fireworks, trust strangers in bars or who offer rides,etc) to give kids too much freedom. So getting back to the lyrics-they don't bother me; I see it as more of a 'nostalgia' song from an older songwriter directed at an older audience, rather than a preachy song. Even though as a parent, I'm actually glad my kids are living in today's world and not the one I grew up in-even though I think there is a cost of less independence/important risk taking/decision making that comes with that. As far as the way teens/20s behave today, I don't agree-I frequently find myself amazed how tolerant, smart,sweet, considerate and polite these kids are, whether I know them or they are strangers. I don't need a 'yes, ma'am' but I do appreciate the many polite and considerate things I catch them doing. Have crappy airport internet so can't listen to the song yet, but will decide whether I like it once I hear the whole thing.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 4, 2015 3:32:04 GMT -5
This is a very good article. linkI'm not sure I understand these charts, Kanenrá:ke. Like, the very first graph says that the current rate of homicides for all of Western Europe is 1.0 out of every 100,000, which doesn't sound right at all. I looked up statistics on city-data.com and it said, for instance, that Detroit had a homicide rate of 54.6 per 100,000 in 2012 (the most recent year listed). Wichita's was at 6.0, for a less-extreme example. Anyway, this basically sums up my point of view: www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201310/violence-has-declined-is-the-world-safer... which is that the probability of harm/crime might have "technically" gone down (because of increased safety measures), but the degree of harm has gone up to offset that.
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Post by trebor on Apr 5, 2015 18:33:25 GMT -5
This is a very good article. linkI'm not sure I understand these charts, Kanenrá:ke. Like, t he very first graph says that the current rate of homicides for all of Western Europe is 1.0 out of every 100,000, which doesn't sound right at all. I looked up statistics on city-data.com and it said, for instance, that Detroit had a homicide rate of 54.6 per 100,000 in 2012 (the most recent year listed). Wichita's was at 6.0, for a less-extreme example. It's pretty much correct. Here below are the stats from the European Union. London/UK or Ankara/Turkey lead (Turkey is not part of the EU, anyway; and neither are some other cities in the list from the Balkans) appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do?dvsc=9
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Post by hosssulpizio on Apr 6, 2015 23:32:27 GMT -5
I'm so damn happy that Toby chose this song!! It will be a much better hit song than "Drunk Americans". Toby, if you keep this up with emotional songs you just might get some more hit songs.
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Post by lolawants on Apr 10, 2015 15:16:25 GMT -5
After hearing the entire song, I'm expecting good things for this song. With the restructuring last Fall of the arrangement between Universal Music Group Nashville Show Dog Nashville, I'm hoping for better support for the song than the last few Toby tunes had. UMGN will provide service for A&R, creative, finance, marketing and sales to Show Dog.
I'm not sure the average listener will dissect the song as much as "professional music/radio people" tend to do and I'm hoping they will love the song as much as I do.
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Post by jferstler on Apr 12, 2015 22:42:51 GMT -5
I think this has an alright chance of hitting for Toby. Great song and the opening line sounds exactly like what an opening line of a country song should be. " Mamma locked the doors last night, for the first time in all her years" that's classic. Bobby Pinson is one of my favorite writers as well. i still play Don't Ask Me How I Know just about everyday.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 12, 2015 23:05:22 GMT -5
i still play Don't Ask Me How I Know just about everyday. There aren't many songs over the past decade I've played more often than "Don't Ask Me How I Know". One of my all-time favorites.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 13, 2015 12:15:45 GMT -5
i still play Don't Ask Me How I Know just about everyday. There aren't many songs over the past decade I've played more often than "Don't Ask Me How I Know". One of my all-time favorites. Bobby was Tyler Farr before Tyler Farr (vocally).
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Apr 13, 2015 12:38:58 GMT -5
There aren't many songs over the past decade I've played more often than "Don't Ask Me How I Know". One of my all-time favorites. Bobby was Tyler Farr before Tyler Farr (vocally). "Don't Ask Me How I Know" and his whole album were great! I wish RCA had stuck with him for one more album cause I wanted to see if he would've taken off with another push. He did make the top 20 so it's not like it was a total bust. But he was dropped when they went through the big merger right? That was a bloodbath for all their newer artists. So many promising talents gone, and Dreamworks also closed at approximately the same time which also cause a ton of artists being dropped. I still think RCA made a mistake with him and Andy Griggs. They both had hits on their albums and I think they had more if they had stuck with them. Also why MCA or Mercury didn't pick up Darryl Worley after his last album with Dreamworks had a #1 and another top 10 was weird to me.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 13, 2015 13:28:56 GMT -5
Bobby was Tyler Farr before Tyler Farr (vocally). Also why MCA or Mercury didn't pick up Darryl Worley after his last album with Dreamworks had a #1 and another top 10 was weird to me. Same. "I Love Her, She Hates Me" died right in it's tracks too. :(
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Post by trebor on Apr 13, 2015 15:08:21 GMT -5
Here is the official Lyrics video posted this morning:
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Post by trebor on Apr 13, 2015 15:40:07 GMT -5
Not super catchy and immediate but sports an accomplished country instrumentation and really good lyrics to go with. I'm already in it! His best work in some time. Radio should gobble this up pretty easily and push him into Top 10 territory.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 13, 2015 16:49:21 GMT -5
His best work in some time. Radio should gobble this up pretty easily and push him into Top 10 territory. Why should they? Just because it's a good song? Country radio has proven time and time again that quality doesn't equal radio success. "Drinks After Work" really struggled after getting the hourly debut back in the summer of 2013, peaking in the top 20, which was the norm for Toby singles for a few years. Then a bomb with "Shut Up And Hold On" (that one was so bad, it was doomed to fail from the start though). "Drunk Americans" debuted high simply because it was Toby and his name recognition was enough for him to catch the ear of radio PD's, but it was very evident that country radio had moved on from Toby's better days in the weeks to come. "Drunk Americans" achieved only 1.0 million in audience gains, the 15 weeks after it debuted at #40 on MB...that's ridiculous, lol. It was able to post moderate gains the next couple weeks after that, but the writing was already on the wall by that point and it went recurrent. Now I'm not saying Toby can't achieve a couple more top 20 singles, or even a top 10 hit once in a blue moon, but radio for the most part is done giving him heavy rotation anymore. I think extreme caution should be used no matter what song Toby releases right now.
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Post by trebor on Apr 13, 2015 17:55:44 GMT -5
His best work in some time. Radio should gobble this up pretty easily and push him into Top 10 territory. Why should they? Just because it's a good song? Country radio has proven time and time again that quality doesn't equal radio success. "Drinks After Work" really struggled after getting the hourly debut back in the summer of 2013, peaking in the top 20, which was the norm for Toby singles for a few years. Then a bomb with "Shut Up And Hold On" (that one was so bad, it was doomed to fail from the start though). "Drunk Americans" debuted high simply because it was Toby and his name recognition was enough for him to catch the ear of radio PD's, but it was very evident that country radio had moved on from Toby's better days in the weeks to come. "Drunk Americans" achieved only 1.0 million in audience gains, the 15 weeks after it debuted at #40 on MB...that's ridiculous, lol. It was able to post moderate gains the next couple weeks after that, but the writing was already on the wall by that point and it went recurrent. Now I'm not saying Toby can't achieve a couple more top 20 singles, or even a top 10 hit once in a blue moon, but radio for the most part is done giving him heavy rotation anymore. I think extreme caution should be used no matter what song Toby releases right now. Just lost a complete post. Lately when inserting an emoticon the mail application freezes and crashes. Will get back to this tomorrow. :| Got to go now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 22:11:53 GMT -5
Not super catchy and immediate but sports an accomplished country instrumentation and really good lyrics to go with. I'm already in it! His best work in some time. Radio should gobble this up pretty easily and push him into Top 10 territory. I'm not really sure how I feel about this song yet, but even if I thought it were a really good song, I wouldn't expect it to make the top 10. Toby's career at radio is all but done, and I'd be surprised if he ever scores another top 20 hit (unless one of the current A-list artists does a duet with him). Heck, I don't even know if Toby can get back to the top 30 on his own again. "Drunk Americans" barely squeaked into the top 30 and that was after it got the hourly spins debut from Clear Channel. "Drunk Americans" debuted at #31 and only peaked at #27...and it spent 20 weeks on the chart, too, just spinning its tires on the cusp of the top 30 the whole time.
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