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Post by rsmatto on Aug 31, 2015 10:50:06 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see if radio jumps on the follow-up single as quickly. They won't jump on it nearly as quickly, but hopefully many stations will jump on it pretty quick. Actually, I think Warner Bros' best bet would be to not give Chris' 2nd single an adds date until early/mid October...that would allow stations to still keep "Buy Me A Boat" in pretty heavy rotation (even after it goes recurrent) for much of September. The last 2 Fridays in October are the 23rd and the 30th, so I'm hoping they can get the album out on one of those dates. That's likely to happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 13:08:23 GMT -5
This isn't looking like a #1, especially not if Chris' push comes this week. Keith Urban's "John Cougar, John Deere, John 3:16" came out 700k ahead of "Buy Me a Boat" on Billboard Country Airplay last Monday. The Mediabase rolling chart's audience numbers show Chris with a 650k lead today, but since about 1.5 million impressions of Chris' Mediabase audience lead come from the two Westwood One stations, which aren't on the Billboard panel, it's highly likely Keith will maintain his lead over Chris on tomorrow night's Billboard chart. It looks like "Buy Me a Boat" may settle for a Mediabase-only #1, or Warner could try throwing a curve-ball and letting Keith secure the #1 on both charts this week before pushing Chris the following week. Then the only problem becomes Kenny Chesney, who is also quickly closing in with "Save It for a Rainy Day." Either week Chris' team could choose to push, a Billboard #1 may be tough to maneuver.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Sept 13, 2015 20:52:54 GMT -5
This isn't looking like a #1, especially not if Chris' push comes this week. Keith Urban's "John Cougar, John Deere, John 3:16" came out 700k ahead of "Buy Me a Boat" on Billboard Country Airplay last Monday. The Mediabase rolling chart's audience numbers show Chris with a 650k lead today, but since about 1.5 million impressions of Chris' Mediabase audience lead come from the two Westwood One stations, which aren't on the Billboard panel, it's highly likely Keith will maintain his lead over Chris on tomorrow night's Billboard chart. It looks like "Buy Me a Boat" may settle for a Mediabase-only #1, or Warner could try throwing a curve-ball and letting Keith secure the #1 on both charts this week before pushing Chris the following week. Then the only problem becomes Kenny Chesney, who is also quickly closing in with "Save It for a Rainy Day." Either week Chris' team could choose to push, a Billboard #1 may be tough to maneuver. I really enjoy your reads of chart dynamics. I can't help but think, though, about what happened with the Canaan Smith single earlier this summer. It was as if country radio decided to flick a switch. Chris Janson's "Buy Me a Boat" feels to me like it would be that kind of single -- it's his breakthrough after years of working in the trenches, and a story radio can feel good about. Moreover, "Buy Me a Boat" is selling better than Smith's single was, and perhaps more importantly, I would imagine that iHeart stations in particular have somewhat of a vested interest in making sure this particular single hits #1 after Chris was designated an On the Verge artist. And so I'm not sure we won't see one of those unnatural surges this week that results in a two-chart #1. As for Janson's album, I'm actually puzzled as to why it hasn't been scheduled yet when it has been clear for a while that "Buy Me a Boat" would last long beyond its On the Verge stint. I'm accustomed to longer lead times for albums, especially since there are internet and TV promotions to schedule amidst increased competition for high-profile slots, so I have to think that the issue was Janson getting his album done in time. |
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 14, 2015 16:32:02 GMT -5
I finally heard this on The Highway this morning, so they must have added it recently...better late than never.  |
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 14, 2015 18:15:27 GMT -5
[ As for Janson's album, I'm actually puzzled as to why it hasn't been scheduled yet when it has been clear for a while that "Buy Me a Boat" would last long beyond its On the Verge stint. I'm accustomed to longer lead times for albums, especially since there are internet and TV promotions to schedule amidst increased competition for high-profile slots, so I have to think that the issue was Janson getting his album done in time. Given he hadn't completed an album prior to the song's meteoric rise, it's not surprising to me at all. The issue was he wasn't even on a label when he got the OTV choice and original bump from Bobby Bones Show. He's wrapping it up but the label smartly didnt' want to rush a project out just to get something out. They could've BMLG'd this and put out an EP and then released an album in April or May of NEXT YEAR. |
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 15, 2015 12:45:57 GMT -5
Chris Janson's debut album will be called Buy Me A Boat and will be released on October 30th, via Rolling Stone: |
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Post by Fanofctrymusic on Sept 16, 2015 3:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by H. on Sept 16, 2015 7:58:46 GMT -5
I'm glad this hit number one. Great summer song.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 8:45:31 GMT -5
Right now my estimates have this neck and neck with Keith Urban and Kenny Chesney. The Billboard #1 is definitely gonna be up in the air this week this I would imagine would be Chris's only week to hit the top. I'm more curious about next week and see what happens then.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 16, 2015 13:21:55 GMT -5
I'm glad this hit number one. Great summer song. Has until Sunday to hold #1. Until then, it hasn't. Still it made the top part of my songs of the summer list for 2015. |
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Post by jesster on Sept 19, 2015 11:46:00 GMT -5
If I were a struggling artist with Chris's history and hit #1 on any chart for even a day, I would hold onto that to brag about to whomever would listen :)
In any event the song seems to be hanging in nicely for official #1 from the weekly mb chart closeout tomorrow.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Sept 19, 2015 15:56:08 GMT -5
Ok my thought are what is Kenny Chesneys team doing? I can't tell if his song is rising fast naturally or if they are pushing. This deserves a #1, it's easily one of the best songs in country music this year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 16:01:45 GMT -5
Ok my thought are what is Kenny Chesneys team doing? I can't tell if his song is rising fast naturally or if they are pushing. This deserves a #1, it's easily one of the best songs in country music this year. It's not Kenny you have to worry about in this scenario it's Keith Urban my estimations so far have Chris and Keith neck and neck for BB with tomorrow and Monday left Chris Janson is still in a fight to get into that top spot because he's running out of time as this week is his only shot. |
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Sept 19, 2015 16:04:52 GMT -5
Ok my thought are what is Kenny Chesneys team doing? I can't tell if his song is rising fast naturally or if they are pushing. This deserves a #1, it's easily one of the best songs in country music this year. It's not Kenny you have to worry about in this scenario it's Keith Urban my estimations so far have Chris and Keith neck and neck for BB with tomorrow and Monday left Chris Janson is still in a fight to get into that top spot because he's running out of time as this week is his only shot. Oh I must have been looking at MB audience, because they are neck and neck there, but at any rate, BMAB is one of my favorites of 2015 and country radio is enjoying it just as much. I hope Chris squeaks in and gets the #1 then Keith then Kenny. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 16:14:28 GMT -5
It's not Kenny you have to worry about in this scenario it's Keith Urban my estimations so far have Chris and Keith neck and neck for BB with tomorrow and Monday left Chris Janson is still in a fight to get into that top spot because he's running out of time as this week is his only shot. Oh I must have been looking at MB audience, because they are neck and neck there, but at any rate, BMAB is one of my favorites of 2015 and country radio is enjoying it just as much. I hope Chris squeaks in and gets the #1 then Keith then Kenny. While I would agree that it peaking at #1 on BB would be nice they're have been plenty of Mediabase only #1s that will be remembered. Like Little Toy Guns Automatic Day Drinking and Rewind. Buy Me A Boat has been a really big hit but it's just running into some really bad timing is all. |
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 19, 2015 17:07:23 GMT -5
Oh I must have been looking at MB audience, because they are neck and neck there, but at any rate, BMAB is one of my favorites of 2015 and country radio is enjoying it just as much. I hope Chris squeaks in and gets the #1 then Keith then Kenny. While I would agree that it peaking at #1 on BB would be nice they're have been plenty of Mediabase only #1s that will be remembered. Like Little Toy Guns Automatic Day Drinking and Rewind. Buy Me A Boat has been a really big hit but it's just running into some really bad timing is all. Warner will likely try for the Billboard #1 as well but since they have the MB #1 locked up, it's not as important. I know many here still struggle with that thinking but Music City enjoys the MB chart, so that's the one they most try to manipulate when it comes to achieving a #1 (spins and points being easier to manipulate than pure audience, which is preaching to the choir at this point). 99% of fans couldn't tell you the difference between MB #1's or Billboard #1's or which chart a song hit #1 on, if any; plenty of MB only #1 songs are remembered, just like the occasional top 5 or top 10 single. Every situation is different. "Boondocks" by Little Big Town is still played regularly on many stations as a recurrent, despite barely cracking the top 10 in January of 2006. I'm sure Chris is just peachy with a MB #1 here. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 17:14:36 GMT -5
While I would agree that it peaking at #1 on BB would be nice they're have been plenty of Mediabase only #1s that will be remembered. Like Little Toy Guns Automatic Day Drinking and Rewind. Buy Me A Boat has been a really big hit but it's just running into some really bad timing is all. Warner will likely try for the Billboard #1 as well but since they have the MB #1 locked up, it's not as important. I know many here still struggle with that thinking but Music City enjoys the MB chart, so that's the one they most try to manipulate when it comes to achieving a #1 (spins and points being easier to manipulate than pure audience, which is preaching to the choir at this point). 99% of fans couldn't tell you the difference between MB #1's or Billboard #1's or which chart a song hit #1 on, if any; plenty of MB only #1 songs are remembered, just like the occasional top 5 or top 10 single. Every situation is different. "Boondocks" by Little Big Town is still played regularly on many stations as a recurrent, despite barely cracking the top 10 in January of 2006. I'm sure Chris is just peachy with a MB #1 here. Wait Boondocks only barely cracked the top 10 that's astonishing given it's recurrent airplay. What caused it to not go any higher does anyone know. |
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 19, 2015 18:09:03 GMT -5
Warner will likely try for the Billboard #1 as well but since they have the MB #1 locked up, it's not as important. I know many here still struggle with that thinking but Music City enjoys the MB chart, so that's the one they most try to manipulate when it comes to achieving a #1 (spins and points being easier to manipulate than pure audience, which is preaching to the choir at this point). 99% of fans couldn't tell you the difference between MB #1's or Billboard #1's or which chart a song hit #1 on, if any; plenty of MB only #1 songs are remembered, just like the occasional top 5 or top 10 single. Every situation is different. "Boondocks" by Little Big Town is still played regularly on many stations as a recurrent, despite barely cracking the top 10 in January of 2006. I'm sure Chris is just peachy with a MB #1 here. Wait Boondocks only barely cracked the top 10 that's astonishing given it's recurrent airplay. What caused it to not go any higher does anyone know. "Boondocks" peaked at #9 on both R&R and Billboard. It took 31 weeks on R&R to reach its peak, which was quite lengthy back in 2005/2006. If it was 2015, it most likely would have kept climbing for a #1 peak but songs would regularly settle for top 10 peaks in those days. "My Old Friend" and "Just Might (Make Me Believe)" were on LBT's heels too, so it would have probably taken too much money and effort on Equity (now defunct) to keep "Boondocks" going. A #9 peak was plenty. |
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 20, 2015 13:23:52 GMT -5
I hope it gets to #1 on BB as well. Wikipedia uses the BB numbers exclusively for the sake of consistency; I finally got Janson's team to back off on wiping content from his article, and I'd hate to have to start this up again over the song's peak position…
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Sept 20, 2015 14:07:55 GMT -5
I hope it gets to #1 on BB as well. Wikipedia uses the BB numbers exclusively for the sake of consistency; I finally got Janson's team to back off on wiping content from his article, and I'd hate to have to start this up again over the song's peak position… What content were they trying to edit out? |
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 20, 2015 21:04:02 GMT -5
I hope it gets to #1 on BB as well. Wikipedia uses the BB numbers exclusively for the sake of consistency; I finally got Janson's team to back off on wiping content from his article, and I'd hate to have to start this up again over the song's peak position… What content were they trying to edit out? They were trying to remove a cited statement about him recording two duets on a Holly Williams album. Two of his reps contacted me about it. They also tried to scrub his kids' names out, which is at least more understandable. |
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Sept 21, 2015 1:35:03 GMT -5
What content were they trying to edit out? They were trying to remove a cited statement about him recording two duets on a Holly Williams album. Two of his reps contacted me about it. They also tried to scrub his kids' names out, which is at least more understandable. I wonder why they were trying to remove the Holly Williams duets? Did they give a reason? Those were two of my more favorite tracks from that album. |
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Sept 21, 2015 7:54:35 GMT -5
This morning's Mediabase update shows a loss of both spins (-74) and audience (-254K) for "Buy Me a Boat," and with "Save It For a Rainy Day" leading Billboard's Real Time Tracker for the last few days, it looks like "Buy Me a Boat" will indeed be a Mediabase-only #1. Not what I expected and not especially the outcome I think is appropriate for a song that connected as well as this one did, but I guess running up against two core format artists with big radio hits in power rotation at the same time took its toll and Warner chose not to put up a big fight. The songwriters will still get their #1 party, and I'll be surprised if this one doesn't get strong recurrent airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 8:21:45 GMT -5
This may be a #3 peak on Billboard Country Airplay, depending on how Keith's Billboard conversions look this week. I suspect that, if WAR had seen this as a having a shot at a #2 peak, they would have kept pushing BMAB yesterday, rather than pulling it at the end of the Mediabase chart week. (It's especially strange to see Chris have a negative update today since the ad in CAT this week specified max spins through Sunday, so I do suspect Chris' team concluded yesterday they didn't have a shot at a Billboard Top 2 peak and just pulled "Boat" a day early.)
"Save It for a Rainy Day" has just totally taken me by surprise here, kind of like I've seen some Jason Aldean songs such as "When She Says Baby" do in the past. Sony's first full Top 10 run under new management may be one of their biggest airplay successes in years. I just hope in the future Warner stops playing nice with Sony as they've done countless times before in hopes that Sony would one day return the favors. All those times Warner went easy on Sony with Blake Shelton hits have accomplished absolutely nothing for Warner. If anything, Sony didn't just not play nice here. They were downright cutthroat, like we might see from Broken Bow. There's no way a fourth Kenny Chesney single would suddenly pass a Keith Urban lead single that's selling better and testing about as well without a push from Kenny's team, and Chris' song was a big hit in its own right that could have had a strong shot at a Billboard #1 this week if Kenny's team tried to play nice the way I presume Keith's did.
I'm really getting worried about Keith's chances of hitting #1. It would be completely insane to see JJJ miss #1. (Of course, crazier things have happened on the airplay charts, but usually they involve poor research scores or label manipulation.) By this point, Capitol would be better off trying to push Keith next week and waiting out "Save It for a Rainy Day." I do think Keith could have gotten to #1 on Billboard this week, but Universal, unlike Sony, wanted to play nice and make sure Chris Janson could get his Mediabase-only #1, so Capitol likely held back on "John Cougar, John Deere, John 3:16" last week. Hopefully we'll just see Kenny get his two weeks at #1 on Billboard and then start falling next week, allowing Keith to hit #1 the weekend of October 3-4. If Capitol pushes Keith for #1 this week, they're looking at a Mediabase-only #1 at best, and quite possibly a straight #2 peak.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 21, 2015 10:29:12 GMT -5
This not hitting #1 on BB is disappointing as hell. Why do all the songs that actually deserve to hit #1 on BB never seem to get there and then the crap that shouldn't even have made it to #1 at all get to #1 on both charts.? :'( >:(
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 10:38:19 GMT -5
This not hitting #1 on BB is disappointing as hell. Why do all the songs that actually deserve to hit #1 on BB never seem to get there and then the crap that shouldn't even have made it to #1 at all get to #1 on both charts.? :'( >:( Timing that's it. Buy Me A Boat just had awful timing. Both this John Cougar and Save It For A Rainy Day have all been big hits and radio usually has to pick the veteran artists like Kenny and Keith. Besides hitting number 1 on Mediabase still counts as a number 1 so it will still be considered a number one. Really all these songs deserve to hit the top but someone has to take the bullet. This Girl Crush Little Toy Guns and SITW are the unfortunate victims here. |
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 21, 2015 10:47:35 GMT -5
I know it's timing, that was more of a rhetorical question. But still, the obviously bigger hits should be the ones radio lets through instead of stuff like "Til It's Gone," "Young & Crazy," and "Love You Like That." This case at least Janson was going up against two other big hits, but there's been a lot of frustrating cases like this so it's just very tiring to see it keep continuing. Like, if damn near everyone makes it to #1 now that makes Top 10, why do the select few that don't have to be the ones that should get there the most. So annoying.  |
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 21, 2015 11:57:44 GMT -5
John Esposito and the Warner promo team wanted the MB #1 and that's ultimately all they cared about (it just wasn't worth the trouble of trying to outdo Kenny here). Like 43dudleyvillas said, they'll get their #1 party. The timing was unfortunate, not only for Chris but Keith as well since his song has also proven to be a huge hit. Still, I can't be too sorry for Chris since the entire industry follows the MB chart and Janson was an unsigned artist just seven months ago. Now he has a #1 MB single (which is one of the biggest hits of the year) and his debut album coming out next month on a major record label. I think he's fine, lol. I do know it stinks for avid Billboard followers. |
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 21, 2015 12:57:35 GMT -5
They were trying to remove a cited statement about him recording two duets on a Holly Williams album. Two of his reps contacted me about it. They also tried to scrub his kids' names out, which is at least more understandable. I wonder why they were trying to remove the Holly Williams duets? Did they give a reason? Those were two of my more favorite tracks from that album. They didn't specify, just that Janson was uncomfortable with it. I wonder if maybe he and Williams had a falling out somewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 13:09:03 GMT -5
The label will still celebrate this Mediabase #1 and advertise it as a success for Chris Janson, and of course there will be a #1 party, but given the smooth chart run, strong sales, and warm radio reaction "Buy Me a Boat" has had, I still view a Mediabase #1 with a Billboard #3 peak as quite a hollow victory. I also can't agree that Warner didn't care about the Billboard #1. If they were completely indifferent to the order of the songs on Billboard this week, they would not have placed an ad in Country Aircheck Today last week that requested maximum spins through Sunday, and they wouldn't have needed to do a "big push" for this song at all, since Chris' 1600-point lead over Kenny Chesney on Mediabase last week made him a lock for the Mediabase #1. I think WAR wanted to get that Billboard #1, but by Sunday they realized they had been shut out of the BB Top 2 and had no chance of making it past a #3 peak, so they pulled Chris' single a day early. Therefore I expect that Chris will not even be very close to #2 on tonight's Billboard chart. I think sometimes the importance of Billboard's chart to record labels can be understated. Of course a label will try to play up a Mediabase #1 as a huge accomplishment. It would be foolish for a label not to publicize its artists' accomplishments as much as it can and portray them in the best light possible, and just about every artist's discography looks better when you go by Mediabase chart history (with the exceptions, of course, of the A-list stars who often get multi-week #1s on Billboard's chart). And obviously if a Billboard #1 is not possible for a single, whether it be due to poor timing or a song simply struggling in the Top 5, a label will take a Mediabase #1. However, I can't imagine any label being completely indifferent to the Billboard chart. Billboard numbers are generally the ones the "average" person remembers years later, as they are the most easily accessible. Furthermore, I think radio stations do realize that the Mediabase chart is a bit...sleazy. The points system practically begs for manipulation and allows for a song to get several chart positions higher than it should be by racking up on spins overnight, when a significantly lower portion of radio's audience is listening, since on Mediabase a spin overnight counts as entirely equal to a spin during prime listening hours. Mediabase is kind of the "soft chart." It seems designed to help the "little guys." I've even seen quotes from record labels discussing how much the Mediabase points system helps them to break new artists by working the overnight spins more heavily. Billboard's audience-based rankings generally seem to "separate the men from the boys," if you will. In addition, streaks and records held on the Mediabase chart only are rarely recognized. Zac Brown Band never missed #1 on Mediabase until their tenth single "No Hurry," yet I never hear anyone say they hold the record for the most back-to-back career-starting #1s for a band since their fifth single "Whatever It Is" was a Mediabase-only #1. I don't ever hear anyone brag about Carrie Underwood's first twelve country singles hitting #1 on Mediabase since she had two Mediabase-only #1s in that mix. We also won't hear about Luke Bryan passing the "Brad Paisley" mark on his way to the record for longest #1 streak after "Strip It Down" becomes his eleventh #1 in a row on Mediabase only. (And who knows if Luke will ever catch up to Blake Shelton's #1 streak?) Speaking of Brad Paisley, everyone considers his #1 streak to have stopped after "Then" even though it continued through "Anything Like Me" on Mediabase. I don't expect to hear that Cole Swindell has any sort of record for most Mediabase #1s in a row to lead off his career since "Chillin' It" was a Mediabase-only #1, either. If Chris Janson does become a consistent hit-maker and sees all his future singles go to #1, which is entirely possible given the huge success of his debut single and the influx of new artists having huge radio success right out of the gate, he will not be recognized for any sort of record because of his debut single missing #1 on Billboard. I've even heard Kix Brooks mistakenly use Billboard records when talking about songs' accomplishments on his own countdown show, American Country Countdown, which uses the Mediabase chart. So I guess what I'm saying is that while I agree with everyone to the extent that record labels are happy with Mediabase #1s, I don't think they're perfectly content (a very fine difference, I know, lol) and I think in many cases there's a feeling of disappointment when a big hit just barely falls short of #1 on Billboard. Edit: Thanks to mep for pointing out that Chris Janson has already had three singles from his pre-Warner run. I have just resolved that I will never be able to get myself to remember these songs, lol. So no "debut single" record was on the table here. #Oops |
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