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Post by sabre14 on Apr 7, 2015 12:19:20 GMT -5
This was delivered to radio this morning, so fully expect this to get some more early adds before the 27th.
Also, this was co-produced by Dann Huff and Jesse Frasure, and Chris Stapleton provides backing vocals.
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 7, 2015 14:15:33 GMT -5
This is awesome. I think you are about to see a new era of A-list Artists Thomas Rhett, Tyler Farr, Sam Hunt and Cole Swindell. I would replace Farr with Brett Eldredge, but other than that I agree with you.
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Post by :) KUFan on Apr 7, 2015 16:07:39 GMT -5
Bobby bones pointed out on his show today the resemblance between the opening of "Crash and Burn" and this song above. I think it's pretty blatantly obvious that it came from this song.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 16:07:41 GMT -5
Perhaps the title of the song could be a prediction for Rhett's career? Doubtful, but its a fun thought to have....
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Post by tonyei31 on Apr 7, 2015 16:54:58 GMT -5
Bobby bones pointed out on his show today the resemblance between the opening of "Crash and Burn" and this song above. I think it's pretty blatantly obvious that it came from this song. He is gonna get "Robin Thicked"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 20:44:15 GMT -5
He is gonna get "Robin Thicked" Actually it'd probably be the producers and/or songwriters who would get Robin Thicked. In this case it seems to be more of a situation where the production on Rhett's song sounds exactly like the opening part of Sam Cooke's "Chain Gang". Not sure how much of an effect (if any) the writers--Stapleton and Frasure--had on how the beginning of Rhett's song sounds like, especially since it's mostly production gimmicks. ** Anyway, Thomas posted the audio on his Facebook page. The world premiere is courtesy of iHeartRadio.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 7, 2015 20:49:08 GMT -5
He is gonna get "Robin Thicked" Actually it'd probably be the producers and/or songwriters who would get Robin Thicked. In this case it seems to be more of a situation where the production on Rhett's song sounds exactly like the opening part of Sam Cooke's "Chain Gang". Not sure how much of an effect (if any) the writers--Stapleton and Frasure--had on how the beginning of Rhett's song sounds like, especially since it's mostly production gimmicks. Well then the main man would be Jesse Frasure. He co-wrote and co-produced the track with Dann Huff.
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Post by tonyei31 on Apr 7, 2015 21:05:44 GMT -5
Actually it'd probably be the producers and/or songwriters who would get Robin Thicked. In this case it seems to be more of a situation where the production on Rhett's song sounds exactly like the opening part of Sam Cooke's "Chain Gang". Not sure how much of an effect (if any) the writers--Stapleton and Frasure--had on how the beginning of Rhett's song sounds like, especially since it's mostly production gimmicks. Well then the main man would be Jesse Frasure. He co-wrote and co-produced the track with Dann Huff. Definitely sad to see Chris Stapleton with his name attached to this pop song. Same reaction for me when I saw Sarah Buxton was a co-writer of "Sun Daze" for FGL. Guess you have to make the money somehow.
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Post by rjz on Apr 7, 2015 21:10:08 GMT -5
I didn't have much interest in hearing this song after his last couple of singles but sure enough couldn't avoid hearing it for the first time on radio today.
Wow, is this awful. It's like he took a third rate generic pop song, tacked on a drawl and threw it at country radio. I was thinking how dreadful it was just listening to the melody before I even realized it was this song.
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Post by kw9461 on Apr 7, 2015 21:12:07 GMT -5
If they release this to country radio without a "country edit" then that is borderline disturbing. I can't identify a single country element on this record at all - not even a half-hearted attempt. This is less country than Sam Hunt for goodness sake. I guess my favorite adversary Dann Huff had to come up with a new and creative way to torture me. I'm probably foolish, but I'll give radio the benefit of the doubt and say this falls well short of the top. I just can't see every market being on board with pretending this is something it is not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 21:15:25 GMT -5
Well then the main man would be Jesse Frasure. He co-wrote and co-produced the track with Dann Huff. Definitely sad to see Chris Stapleton with his name attached to this pop song. Same reaction for me when I saw Sarah Buxton was a co-writer of "Sun Daze" for FGL. Guess you have to make the money somehow. To be fair, it's the production that isn't country. The lyrics sound like they could make for a good country-pop song, but rather than pairing them with country instrumentation, Thomas and the producers chose a REALLY poppy sound.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 7, 2015 21:42:13 GMT -5
Honestly, this doesn't feel any 'less country' than some of the stuff from years past but maybe it's just because I am more of a good/bad than genre guy that I feel that way.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 7, 2015 22:07:20 GMT -5
This is awesome. I think you are about to see a new era of A-list Artists Thomas Rhett, Tyler Farr, Sam Hunt and Cole Swindell. As someone who prefers strong vocalists and interpreters and who is a proponent of diversity in country music, that list is dire. On the other hand, if Thomas Rhett is destined to become a country A-lister (and I would agree that he is), I'm glad that it will be via a song whose lyrics and melody I can tolerate (this will be the first of his top-10 hits for which that will the case for me). You can really hear Rhett struggling to hit the low notes and sustain the melody on the verses, so his live performances of this will be...interesting. After reading via Billboard Midweek Country Update that Gary Allan would have liked to have cut this, it really is difficult for me not to think about how much more a stronger vocalist would have done with this. Basically, I would like to hand "Hangover Tonight" to James Otto and give Gary Allan this. I think he would have found a way to ground this more in country, too. Thanks :) KUFan for the information about the song's intro -- I thought that it sounded familiar, but hadn't placed it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 22:12:30 GMT -5
Woohoo! Thomas Rhett did it again. Another amazing song <3 It amuses me when songs that don't sound country, do well in the chart. For instance, I love Sam Hunt <3
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Post by LBTrocks on Apr 8, 2015 2:05:23 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I love this. The song is not only catchy, but it's very melodically pleasing to me. Honestly, this sounds more country to me than much of what is getting played on "country" radio these days. If a song like Kelsea Ballerini's "Love Me Like You Mean It" can pass itself off as country and get played on the radio, this one certainly can. I think Ballerini's song is one of the most pop sounding songs in the country genre in terms of the beat and the production. I find it to be much more pop and less country than this song. And that's just one example I can think of.
However, I just listened to the opening of "Chain Gang" and yikes.... that can't be a coincidence. It's basically identical.
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 8, 2015 2:31:28 GMT -5
I agree with everyone else that this is not country at all. However, I do find myself enjoying this somehow. I honestly think that the song's biggest fault is in its production, but it could have been an amazing song for someone else who might have gone for a more conventional country sound. That being said, I just don't see Gary Allan being able to do this song range-wise! Thomas (barely, but it is there) hits an Eb2 in the verses, and I cannot image Gary getting anywhere near that low. But Thomas' highest note in this is also a G4, so if Gary were to make it a few keys higher so the low parts were more comfortable for him, he'd have to sing the chorus in Gary LeVox's wheelhouse! This is simply not an easy song to sing because it has a 2+ octave range, so I have to give Thomas props for being able to handle it! Honestly I think very few other men in the industry today could have done this song. The first two that come to mind are Josh Turner and Chris Young. They are the only ones I can think of who consistently hit 2+ octaves over the course of an album, let alone in an individual song...
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Post by rjz on Apr 8, 2015 5:54:58 GMT -5
Honestly, this doesn't feel any 'less country' than some of the stuff from years past but maybe it's just because I am more of a good/bad than genre guy that I feel that way. I'm the same-even though I proclaim something not country, I'll still buy and enjoy it- for example Sam Hunt. Loved Keith Urban's Fuse and most of Eric C last album. But this just sounded so bad to me-noisy, disjointed, vocals not great. FWIW, my country DJs said how much they loved it, which you always take with a grain of salt; but they seemed sincere. His last 'Love Boat' song grew on me so maybe this will too.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 8, 2015 6:53:51 GMT -5
Is this another generic country song
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Post by countrymusic20 on Apr 8, 2015 8:33:20 GMT -5
Bobby bones pointed out on his show today the resemblance between the opening of "Crash and Burn" and this song above. I think it's pretty blatantly obvious that it came from this song. Yes, the writers will get sued on this one. It's pretty much exactly the same. As far as TR himself. He's more and more giving off the vibe that he thinks he's too cool for country. When I say "country", I mean I think he thinks he's too cool for the today country of Luke Bryan, Aldean, ect. which means he's going to go way way out there now - into Sam Hunt land - except he's not near as cool and not near as good a singer as Sam Hunt. Probably all stems from all the buzz from his youtube cover of the Bruno Mars song. It's interesting to watch the career path of artists that get a record deal without ever touring or having any idea who they are as an artist before they got that record deal. That's probably why TR is kind of all over the place. Guess we'll see how this all plays out.
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Post by kanimal on Apr 8, 2015 8:35:42 GMT -5
Bobby bones pointed out on his show today the resemblance between the opening of "Crash and Burn" and this song above. I think it's pretty blatantly obvious that it came from this song. The moment I heard this, my mind actually went to the chant in The Pretenders' "Back on the Chain Gang." Guess it's just a product of me being younger/being more into that genre. As far as I know, even though that seems clearly derived from the Sam Cooke song, it's not identified as an interpolation, and Cooke doesn't have a co-write on The Pretenders song. So there must be some reason why that chant is okay to use.
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Post by trebor on Apr 8, 2015 8:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 8, 2015 9:19:33 GMT -5
Melody is completely different but they may have to give Cooke credit for that, if his estate comes after them. The chants are really all that sound "similar" there. I really doubt Stapleton and Frashure (who co-produced with Huff) would willfully lift that.
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Post by drummerman2009 on Apr 8, 2015 10:03:59 GMT -5
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 8, 2015 12:23:42 GMT -5
Honestly, this doesn't feel any 'less country' than some of the stuff from years past but maybe it's just because I am more of a good/bad than genre guy that I feel that way. FWIW, my country DJs said how much they loved it, which you always take with a grain of salt; but they seemed sincere. His last 'Love Boat' song grew on me so maybe this will too. Most deejay's usually give every song they play high praise, so I never take anything they say seriously when it comes to how great a song is. It's probably because I'm friends with a deejay at WYRK and you'll never hear him him not pump up a song on the air, but whenever I talk to him in private I hear a lot of songs he thinks aren't very good that they play at nausea .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 14:28:57 GMT -5
Not sure what the 2nd link is, but it's definitely not audio of "Crash & Burn". And with the 1st and 3rd links, the YT users badly distorted Thomas' voice (likely to avoid copyright issues). Yes, the writers will get sued on this one. It's pretty much exactly the same. So there must be some reason why that chant is okay to use. I'm not really sure how it will play out, but I just did a Google search for "Thomas Rhett Sam Cooke" and there were tons of articles, some dating back several weeks, that noted the Sam Cooke comparison. CMT article from March 11Rolling Stone article from March 10AXS article from todayFor what it's worth, AXS said that Rhett's song 'samples' the chant from Cooke's "Chain Gang". I'm no expert on using a sample of a song in a brand new song (did Rhett, the songwriters, and producers have to get permission?), but I think they'll probably be okay here. I mean, people and industry insiders who heard some of the new music a month ago wrote about it and noted the comparison to the Sam Cooke song, and yet BMLG still decided to release "Crash And Burn" anyway. I imagine that, if they felt they were gonna get in trouble, they would have completely scrapped the song.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Apr 8, 2015 23:20:38 GMT -5
NOW on Youtube!!
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Post by lyhom on Apr 9, 2015 0:13:56 GMT -5
I like the song and all but wow Sam Hunt's singles sound more country than this lmao
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 5:23:07 GMT -5
Wow, "Crash And Burn" is exploding out of the gate. It was sent to radio on Tuesday (although I think iHeartRadio may have gotten it on Monday - they did advertise it as an IHR world premiere), and in only 1-2 days (this doesn't yet include Wednesday airplay), it's gotten over 430 spins and 3.6 million (!!!) in MB audience, on almost 50 stations already. :O Adds date is still almost 3 weeks out, too. This song's acting almost like Clear Channel has selected it to be the next OTV selection (I don't think it will be - I'm just using OTV to show how fast of a start this one is off to). This is looking like an easy top 40 debut on Billboard, and it could even challenge for top 30 if all of these Clear Channel stations keep giving it a lot of airplay like they did the first couple days of this week. Here's a list of the stations that are playing it. I looked through the list and unless I missed one, every single one of these stations is owned by iHeartMedia (Clear Channel) with the exception of the very last one on the list, KFRG Riverside, which is a CBS station. www.allaccess.com/mediabase/q/report/starters/song/RHETCAB/format/C1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 6:02:36 GMT -5
Did IHM do some sort of bi-hourly world premiere Tuesday? All the top stations are IHM stations and each played this song 10-12 times Tuesday (most 10, a few 12), which would suggest that the song was played roughly every other hour.
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Post by sgtoddball on Apr 9, 2015 8:53:31 GMT -5
This is awesome. I think you are about to see a new era of A-list Artists Thomas Rhett, Tyler Farr, Sam Hunt and Cole Swindell. As someone who prefers strong vocalists and interpreters and who is a proponent of diversity in country music, that list is dire. On the other hand, if Thomas Rhett is destined to become a country A-lister (and I would agree that he is), I'm glad that it will be via a song whose lyrics and melody I can tolerate (this will be the first of his top-10 hits for which that will the case for me). You can really hear Rhett struggling to hit the low notes and sustain the melody on the verses, so his live performances of this will be...interesting. After reading via Billboard Midweek Country Update that Gary Allan would have liked to have cut this, it really is difficult for me not to think about how much more a stronger vocalist would have done with this. Basically, I would like to hand "Hangover Tonight" to James Otto and give Gary Allan this. I think he would have found a way to ground this more in country, too. Thanks :) KUFan for the information about the song's intro -- I thought that it sounded familiar, but hadn't placed it. As far as diversity goes, I don't think it gets any better than Thomas Rhett and Tyler Farr right now. Both are releasing songs that are much more diverse than anything I hear from Cole Swindell. Voices are subjective. I like both Rhett and Farr vocally but can certainly see why some would not. This won't go over well here but I find Thomas Rhett to be equally as diverse as Eric Church and I think he's one of the best all around talents in the Genre right now.
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