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Post by tonyei31 on May 8, 2015 6:23:28 GMT -5
It's much easier to be supportive of a song that isn't country when the artist singing it (like Carrie Underwood) has a voice. It's easier to be critical to a guy like Thomas Rhett when he puts out a non country song when his voice is lackluster, at best. So, by that logic, 50 Cent could debut in country format, with a hip hop song, as long as he had an amazing voice? (not that he has one, but let's suppose) No, I think Thomas has a decent voice. I am not expert, but through all the song, I don't hear his voice cracking or anything like that. Plus, shouldn't music speak for itself? Focusing only in the voice to decide which non country songs are in your favor (in the country format) is a bit... weird. Also, Carrie has had a long string of non country songs, yet no one dares to say anything. when you are on country radio I expect your music to be country. So of course regardless of whether 50 cent (btw he is a vocal hack) had a hip hop song on country radio it will have difficulty being embraced. When you listen to country radio you expect to hear country music. When the song pushes the boundaries of country music (or isn't at all) the voice and overall talent makes a song here or there (or in rare cases a career) bearable. That's why, even though sam hunt is the furthest thing from country, he is more respected than the talentless hacks that are fgl.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 7:00:09 GMT -5
Saw Thomas last night and he opened with something funky about "shaking your south side" which sounded just as bad as this one. Could be off his new CD I guess.
He sounded best on Beer With Jesus which he also said was his favorite song. Maybe he should take a hint.
Get Me Some of That got the biggest crowd response followed by Parking Lot Party and then Uptown Funk (yak).
This song was lackluster with the crowd (who were mostly bros by a longshot).
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 8, 2015 13:02:23 GMT -5
Also, Carrie has had a long string of non country songs, yet no one dares to say anything. This is a straw man argument soundly refuted by posts like this and this, a lot of the discussion in the "See You Again" single thread, comments in the "Blown Away" single thread, much of the early discussion in the "Good Girl" single thread and posts in practically every Carrie Underwood single thread since 2009. Even Carrie's fans have been pretty vocal about wishing that her label would mix in a few of her countrier singles to country radio. Unfortunately, I suspect that ship has sailed, not just for Carrie, but also for many of country radio's core artists. Blake Shelton has mostly been releasing adult contemporary pop to country radio for years, none of Miranda's three (soon to be four) Platinum singles has been country in production (though "Automatic" clearly had country roots in its lyrics), Luke, Jason and Florida-Georgia Line's output is heavier on pop, hip-hop and corporate rock influence than anything else, etc. I have no objection to criticism of any of these artists for not doing enough to wave the flag for country music at country radio, though Carrie, Miranda and Blake on occasion have made it a point to include pure country on their albums. But putting aside vocals for a moment (though I can't when listening to this song -- even on background vocals, Chris Stapleton shows a vocal flexibility and soul that Thomas Rhett simply doesn't have), as well as jhomes87's excellent points about how artist history matters and how Thomas Rhett has chosen a style that is ill-suited to his vocal ability, let me suggest another reason Thomas Rhett may be coming under "not country" criticism for "Crash & Burn" while Carrie has enjoyed both fan and critical acclaim for "Little Toy Guns": In the past, when country radio has absorbed pop or rock influences, it has been at least a few years after the particular influences peaked at pop. So back when Taylor Swift was releasing singles like "Love Story" and "You Belong with Me" to country radio, they may have been pop songs with a token banjo or mandolin in the mix, but they weren't really songs that sounded like what was hot on the CHR/Pop format at the time (until she crossed them over, anyway - generally after their runs at country radio). Lady Antebellum's "Need You Now" may have been pure adult contemporary pop, but sonically it was a follow-up to their success with "I Run to You," not a means of trying to grab a current pop wave. When Carrie released "Good Girl" to country radio, it certainly didn't sound very country (chorus aside, anyway), but it also didn't crib from the current Active Rock/Alternative or CHR/Pop or Hot AC environments at the time. Jason Aldean & Florida-Georgia Line have been bringing Nickelback-style "rock" to country radio, but years after that band (and Daughtry and all of the similar-sounding bands) peaked at CHR/Pop and Hot AC. That didn't make their songs country (or country enough). But it did mean that they represented a product distinctly aimed for country radio, so you could identify country radio as a distinct format when those songs were being played -- not a distinct format that sounded country enough, but a format distinct from CHR/Pop, Hot AC, AC, Active Rock, etc. "Crash & Burn" is different in that it takes a current CHR/Pop trend and brings it to the Country format. When "Crash & Burn" plays on country radio, its sound doesn't distinguish country radio from the CHR/Pop, Hot AC and AC formats. So it's not just that the song is not country, it's that the song doesn't even have a sound that would be unique to country radio at this time. Sure, it fits an environment when KSCS Dallas is playing familiar CHR/Pop hits along with country radio hits. But for people who are concerned about country's loss of identity, a "Crash & Burn" would naturally be more concerning than a "Little Toy Guns," because, the latter's rock feel notwithstanding, its lyric & sound are not what one would currently hear on another radio format ("Little Toy Guns" may have been a big crossover hit during the radio peaks of Pink and Kelly Clarkson, but my point is, the big, dramatically produced emotional rocker is not what works on the pop formats today). So when carriekins made her comment about "Crash & Burn" sounding more out-of-place on country radio than even Sam Hunt's music, I interpreted her point to be that not only is "Crash & Burn" not country, it's not even trying to give country radio something that would help differentiate it from other formats. And when radio is structured by formats with names based on genres that are supposed to sound distinct from each other, I think you can see how that might be an especially troubling problem. We all have lots of opportunities to listen to multi-genre playlists if we wish. But if we choose to listen to terrestrial radio, odds are that we do so because we're looking for a differentiated sound. A song like "Crash & Burn" would naturally be the target of greater criticism as a consequence.
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Post by drummerman2009 on May 9, 2015 0:12:39 GMT -5
This week's (May 18, 2015) Country Weekly has a very interesting article on Thomas and his new song.
What do you think of this quote?
"Thomas Rhett could hardly be termed a child of the '60s. Heck, he's not even a child of the '80s, meaning that he grew up without a daily dose of Men At Work, Men Without Hats, Beastie Boys or Pet Shop Boys. But somehow, the 25-year-old singer/songwriter (born in 1990) can definitely channel these two eras of music, as witnessed by his latest pop/soul single, "Crash and Burn.""
Notice how it doesn't mention country at all and seems to suggest that Thomas is trying to get started with a trend with trying a new sound similar to Bruno Mars, Sam Smith and Ed Sherran. I also know that Brett Eldredge has also carried this trend further with "Lose My Mind". I like both songs and I can see the trend of country rolling around to soul country as a replacement to bto-country. Hopefully this will signal an end to bro-country once and for all.
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Post by sabre14 on May 18, 2015 22:03:39 GMT -5
This is by far Thomas' fastest climbing single to date. "Crash And Burn" sits at #24 on Billboard after just 6 weeks and is at #28 on MB. It's roughly taken half the time to reach its audience total that "It Goes Like This" did in the summer of 2013. Granted, his popularity has definitely grown over that time period but it's just unreal that a song that is so far removed sonically from country as this one is, can move up the chart so fast. It speaks to the fact that Valory/BMLG clearly see him as a cross-appeal artist and this single and upcoming album is a big sign.
The song's production is not country - in the slightest; while his vocal performance leaves much to be desired in the verses and makes me wonder (or wish) someone else had cut this song, cause I'm fairly certain I wouldn't hate it as much as I do Thomas' version.
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Post by jlatn5b on May 19, 2015 1:40:28 GMT -5
I'm in the small minority, but for me, I don't find this song as far removed from country as others do. I'm not saying it is anywhere near traditional sounding, but I can't picture it on pop radio either. The first time I heard Sam Hunt's "Leave the Night On", I thought I was listening to a pop station. I wouldn't assume that with this one. I have no interest in seeing the country genre expanded and turned into pop, but just don't get that from this one. Have only heard it a few times on the radio thus far, but find myself turning it up. I like it.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 15:59:01 GMT -5
It's a shame this song is gonna be a smash #1 while,other artists like Jon Pardi Eric Paslay Maddie & Tae Kavey Musgraves who are better continue to in general struggle.
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Post by 19waves on May 20, 2015 11:27:35 GMT -5
heard this song on here and thought it was okay then i heard it on the radio and i really like it. catchy as hell, tho for this type of production i would have preferred a smoother voice but rhett really can't do that.
welp i can say im part of the problem.
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Post by tonyei31 on May 20, 2015 21:52:55 GMT -5
This is by far Thomas' fastest climbing single to date. "Crash And Burn" sits at #24 on Billboard after just 6 weeks and is at #28 on MB. It's roughly taken half the time to reach its audience total that "It Goes Like This" did in the summer of 2013. Granted, his popularity has definitely grown over that time period but it's just unreal that a song that is so far removed sonically from country as this one is, can move up the chart so fast. It speaks to the fact that Valory/BMLG clearly see him as a cross-appeal artist and this single and upcoming album is a big sign. The song's production is not country - in the slightest; while his vocal performance leaves much to be desired in the verses and makes me wonder (or wish) someone else had cut this song, cause I'm fairly certain I wouldn't hate it as much as I do Thomas' version. Didn't something happen with this song with Chris Stapleton accidentally getting it into the hands of Rhett? I think I read (could be wrong) that this song was going to be on "Traveller" until the mishap. Obviously production would have been different.
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Post by sabre14 on May 20, 2015 22:58:00 GMT -5
This is by far Thomas' fastest climbing single to date. "Crash And Burn" sits at #24 on Billboard after just 6 weeks and is at #28 on MB. It's roughly taken half the time to reach its audience total that "It Goes Like This" did in the summer of 2013. Granted, his popularity has definitely grown over that time period but it's just unreal that a song that is so far removed sonically from country as this one is, can move up the chart so fast. It speaks to the fact that Valory/BMLG clearly see him as a cross-appeal artist and this single and upcoming album is a big sign. The song's production is not country - in the slightest; while his vocal performance leaves much to be desired in the verses and makes me wonder (or wish) someone else had cut this song, cause I'm fairly certain I wouldn't hate it as much as I do Thomas' version. Didn't something happen with this song with Chris Stapleton accidentally getting it into the hands of Rhett? I think I read (could be wrong) that this song was going to be on "Traveller" until the mishap. Obviously production would have been different. It wasn't really an accident. Stapleton originally planned on including "Crash And Burn" on his Traveller album but in the end decided not to, while Rhett heard the demo though his business manager and put the song on hold if Stapleton decided not to have it for himself. I think it's pretty obvious this song would have sounded just a bit different if Stapleton had kept it.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Jun 7, 2015 19:25:42 GMT -5
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Post by bigfan101 on Jun 9, 2015 20:29:06 GMT -5
Can you say guilty pleasure? Shoot me, but I LOVE this. Plus a very clever " pop" style music video....they are really positioning Thomas for a unique market and a huge second album era.
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Post by sapphire on Jun 9, 2015 20:39:15 GMT -5
Can you say guilty pleasure? Shoot me, but I LOVE this. Plus a very clever " pop" style music video....they are really positioning Thomas for a unique market and a huge second album era. Same. I find myself liking this now. Definitely a guilty pleasure.
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Post by matty005 on Jun 9, 2015 20:43:40 GMT -5
I like the video but was it supposed to be taking place in the early 90s? Big boombox, cassette tapes and break dancing? Still love this song!
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Post by tim on Jun 9, 2015 23:06:13 GMT -5
Can you say guilty pleasure? Shoot me, but I LOVE this. Plus a very clever " pop" style music video....they are really positioning Thomas for a unique market and a huge second album era. This is still a huge guilty pleasure for me fun, easy going song with a perfect video...me thinks Thomas Rhett is going to be country's next big star.
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Post by rjz on Jun 10, 2015 19:22:48 GMT -5
This song isn't country at all and it really annoyed me when I first heard it, but I do believe it is an ear worm of a song and will grow on many listeners.
I was afraid to watch after his last horrendous weird dancing video but I took a chance and have to say this is a perfect video and it made me like the song more.
Very nice film/artistic effects and he took the acting down a notch from last time- his humorous self deprecating attitude made him very likable.
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Post by austin on Jun 18, 2015 17:54:21 GMT -5
This guy is so refreshing. He is different but most song are identifiable as him. This and Make Me Wanna are two of my top 5 Country songs of the past year. I hope he gets bigger and bigger. He truly deserves it.
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Post by ryanroberts on Jun 18, 2015 19:59:45 GMT -5
I have to agree with a previous poster. Granted it's not the most traditional thing in the world, but to me at least, still has plenty of country qualities. Who knows maybe I'm just fan of this new R&B/soul/50s/60s whatever it is country trend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 13:57:46 GMT -5
Thomas Rhett's sophomore album will be called Tangled Up and has been given a street date of Sept. 25. Fans can vote on the album cover by going to thomasrhett.com.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 5:39:08 GMT -5
"Girl you got me tangled up" looks to be the 'hook' to the title track of Thomas' upcoming album.
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Post by trebor on Jul 8, 2015 10:08:34 GMT -5
#MajorKennyChesneyDéjàVu Country is really shifting... fast :) LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 7:54:08 GMT -5
Can you say guilty pleasure? Shoot me, but I LOVE this. Plus a very clever " pop" style music video....they are really positioning Thomas for a unique market and a huge second album era. Same here, love it. Hopefully, he has another successful album era, he had several great songs on IGLT. This week, it rises 53-51 on the Hot 100 in its 9th week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 4:04:01 GMT -5
According to AllAccess, "Crash and Burn" has been certified Gold by the RIAA:
To correct Rhett, half a million people haven't bought the song yet, although it is rapidly approaching 500k sold. The track actually stands around 420,000 sold (week ending the 19th), but it's selling more than 60k a week now. And of course streams now somehow figure into RIAA certifications, as far as I understand it.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 3, 2015 13:21:22 GMT -5
On his second album, Tangled Up, Thomas Rhett says fans can expect even more of the funk, soul and R&B flavor of the project's feel-good first single, "Crash and Burn."Rolling StoneWow, that album overview was not encouraging at all. Jordin Sparks singing with Thomas Rhett?...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 13:30:09 GMT -5
On his second album, Tangled Up, Thomas Rhett says fans can expect even more of the funk, soul and R&B flavor of the project's feel-good first single, "Crash and Burn."Rolling StoneWow, that album overview was not encouraging at all. Jordin Sparks singing with Thomas Rhett?... Don't forget the one featuring "Lunch Money Lewis", surely to go down in history as one of the great country songs of our time. Basically a disclaimer that there won't be any real country on this album...sounds like he will mix a bunch of genres together though...maybe he should have called this Jekyll + Hyde. You know we're really pushing new creative boundaries when we are giving Cee Lo Green ("Lose My Mind") and past and present members of War writing credits.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 3, 2015 13:33:32 GMT -5
On his second album, Tangled Up, Thomas Rhett says fans can expect even more of the funk, soul and R&B flavor of the project's feel-good first single, "Crash and Burn."Rolling StoneWow, that album overview was not encouraging at all. Jordin Sparks singing with Thomas Rhett?... Don't forget the one featuring "Lunch Money Lewis", surely to go down in history as one of the great country songs of our time. I purposely didn't mention that, lol. I wanted to stop reading the article when I came across that tidbit of information.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 13:37:19 GMT -5
Go top pop music Thomas or better yet don't make music it'll save my ears the pain. Seriously though it's like he's admitting it's not.country but hey I'll keep it labeled as country.
Forget Sam Hunt this guys ruining the genre of country music the most.
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Post by Kat5Kind on Aug 3, 2015 13:44:54 GMT -5
Go top pop music Thomas or better yet don't make music it'll save my ears the pain. Seriously though it's like he's admitting it's not.country but hey I'll keep it labeled as country. Forget Sam Hunt this guys ruining the genre of country music the most. No way. Sam is the one who started this new R&B/country movement. Blame him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 13:48:34 GMT -5
I'm blaming both of them. Both can go to pop and take FGL with them sorry FGL fans but come on they're not country really at all.
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