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Post by surfy on Apr 18, 2015 19:36:15 GMT -5
One you weren't invited to. That's true, I am a Y lister after all. As in the "Y are you even here?" List? :kii: ;)
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Apr 19, 2015 23:08:01 GMT -5
I have thought this since before "Blank Space" even came out but "this song will absolutely SMASH airwaves and hard" I still firmly believe it! I seriously wish the other collaborator would be Katy Perry. It would be the most awesome Ironic thing that has ever happened on one of her singles if so!! OH AND IMAGINE the smash katy would bring to Taylor - not like Taylor couldn't smash her self but you know what im saying!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 23:21:03 GMT -5
Yes, a Z lister party with one of the highest paid models Cara Delevigne, grammy-nominated, critically acclaimed rapper Kendrick Lamar, a nd Hayley Williams, frontwoman of one of the most successful and grammy winning pop punk bands Paramore. lol you had me until this. Paramore isn't unknown by any stretch of the imagination, and Hayley Williams is pretty much the face of the band. The bold certainly isn't wrong. If you're trying to imply that she isn't recognizable, consider that for pop listeners, she's no less recognizable than Kendrick. Hell, Paramore has had more hits on the format than he has ETA: he doesn't even have one, lol. The only one who seems out of place is Zendaya, but even she has an audience. Granted, most of them have acne, but that's not the point.
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Post by Kurt on Apr 20, 2015 0:21:25 GMT -5
Zendaya is also newly signed to Republic (it's a joint deal between them and Hollywood), which I'd imagine is probably part of the reason for her inclusion as well - helps set up the new era.
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Post by Joe1240 on Apr 20, 2015 0:56:41 GMT -5
Zendaya had a feud with Giuliana Rancic from E's "Fashion Police" currently and that made headlines everywhere. Kinda makes sense for her to appear in the video for "Bad Blood". It is gonna have more cameos from celebrities than any of those Ghostbusters soundtrack videos from the 1980s. This could be Taylor's "Toxic" music video if the spy concept that is going around is true.
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Post by slamina on Apr 20, 2015 5:59:19 GMT -5
None of those guests seem too exciting imo but we shall see. Personally, I see this underperforming but that shouldn't be too shocking since she has at least one each era.
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Post by Future Captain on Apr 20, 2015 6:40:54 GMT -5
None of those guests seem too exciting imo but we shall see. Personally, I see this underperforming but that shouldn't be too shocking since she has at least one each era. I think the underperforming title already go to Style
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Post by Joe1240 on Apr 20, 2015 6:59:42 GMT -5
If a #1 song on CHR/Pop is considered underperforming.
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Post by Clauss on Apr 20, 2015 7:47:41 GMT -5
It clearly underperformed after SIO and BS It was a hit? Yes but not huge as the ones before, then underperform
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 20, 2015 8:20:28 GMT -5
It clearly underperformed after SIO and BS It was a hit? Yes but not huge as the ones before, then underperform I think Style suffered from big expectations. People thought it was the big hit of the album, so even it performed really well, it left a sense of underachivement
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Post by Joe1240 on Apr 20, 2015 8:47:46 GMT -5
It clearly underperformed after SIO and BS It was a hit? Yes but not huge as the ones before, then underperform Underperform is the "Speak Now" era singles like "The Story Of Us" at #21,"Both Of Us" and "Eyes Open" merely doing anything at all on the charts at the time. "Style" is considered a hit when it is all said and done. Taylor is 3 for 3 so far on that this era.
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Post by kanimal on Apr 20, 2015 8:59:52 GMT -5
It clearly underperformed after SIO and BS It was a hit? Yes but not huge as the ones before, then underperform Underperform is the "Speak Now" era singles like "The Story Of Us" at #21,"Both Of Us" and "Eyes Open" merely doing anything at all on the charts at the time. "Style" is considered a hit when it is all said and done. Taylor is 3 for 3 so far on that this era. Don't get me wrong, Style is definitely still a hit (it hit #1!), but I don't think you can really compare a single from the album on which the focus was creating mainstream hits to any of her previous eras (especially since Shake it Off and Blank Space firmly established her as that sort of pop hit maker). Anything less than Top 10 (maybe even Top 5) wouldn't be "underperforming" - it would be disappointing. Under Top 20 would be a flop. But I think the "underperform" is more about the song's overall cultural footprint. As others have said, this and Blank Space seemed like the surefire hits on the album, and I think people were very much looking for a Blank Space-style run on the Hot 100. The lack of a good video didn't help (the thread here is full of ideas that would have made for a smash video - instead, she released whatever the heck that actual video was supposed to be) nor did the lack of performances (but that seems like something we're going to have to expect from her - doing the talk show circuit as a musical guest doesn't seem to be part of her brand this point). In general, though, Style didn't really establish itself in the zeitgeist. "Shake it off," "Haters Gonna Hate" and "This. Sick. Beat." became things - and are still things (do you think The Rock could have done that Lip Sync Battle with Style and gotten anywhere near the attention?). And Blank Space was just everywhere. I think Bad Blood is the answer - especially with the remix. I'm sort of with people in not loving the video guest list (it does just feel like Taylor throwing a sleepover - I'd be much more interested in a video with people of relevance to the song...Camilla Belle, John Mayer, Kanye, etc), but it's still a celeb video with a concept. And the song is an expertly produced pop track (even if the vocals annoy me at times).
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Post by Caviar on Apr 20, 2015 9:44:03 GMT -5
Not every single she release is going to be a "cultural event". I think some people need to keep it real with themselves is admit it didn't meet the expectations of a "Teenage Dream" era.
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Post by Future Captain on Apr 20, 2015 9:47:09 GMT -5
I think the video is make or break for the era. If Bad Blood smashed hard, then we could get anything released as a single. If not, well, prepare for a half-hearted fifth and sixth single a-la Red
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Post by jjose712 on Apr 20, 2015 12:55:21 GMT -5
Not every single she release is going to be a "cultural event". I think some people need to keep it real with themselves is admit it didn't meet the expectations of a "Teenage Dream" era. Nothing will meet the expectations of a Teenage Dream era in terms of singles. But this is her best era in terms of singles anyway (people seem to forget how 22 did, and 22 was made to be a hit at least in theory). But her best achivement is that an album that was a departure for her country past instead of show a decline on sales, in fact it's selling better
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 20, 2015 13:17:32 GMT -5
I don't know how anybody could deny 'Style' being a hit. It wasn't an anthem that stayed at the top of the charts for weeks at a time, something her two previous singles have certainly done, but it was for sure a hit. There is no getting around that.
That being said, I do agree that this era does not feel, at least to me, nearly as colossal as the Teenage Dream era did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 14:03:25 GMT -5
I don't think it's that far off, though? The numbers aren't there, sure, but I can't leave my apartment without hearing one of her songs-- single or not. She is everywhere right now. I haven't felt an era like this since Teenage Dream.
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Post by Au$tin on Apr 20, 2015 14:24:18 GMT -5
I would definitely say "Shake It Off" and "California Gurls" performed similarly, and trying to decipher one being a bigger hit over the other is next to impossible for the moment. It'll be easier to tell once a few years pass and we can look back to see the lasting impact of "Shake It Off" versus "California Gurls." As for "Blank Space" versus "Teenage Dream," the obvious winner here is "Blank Space." I honestly can't see any argument of "Teenage Dream" being the bigger hit between those two. Then the opposite can be said for "Style" versus "Firework" with "Firework" of course being bigger than "Style." However, all six singles mentioned were big hits. We'll see if "Bad Blood" can keep her streak of hits going like "E.T." did for Katy, and I full expect it to. I completely understand the comparisons between 1989 and Teenage Dream. Their impacts are very, very similar. You have to look at way more than just chart peaks. Sure, "Style" did not reach the number one spot on the Hot 100, but that doesn't immediately make "Style" any less of a success than any single from Katy's album. All a number one is is a chance to say that your song was the most popular song in the United States during that week. "Style" never got the chance to say that, but that doesn't rule out it being a big hit either. I would argue that "Style"'s cultural impact and success is similarly in line with "Teenage Dream." Taylor is simply everywhere at the moment in ways that very few artists ever are, and the last time an artist was this in your face was Katy Perry. (Well, Adele, but 21 is a bit of a different beast that can't be compared.)
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Post by nikkominaj on Apr 20, 2015 14:38:07 GMT -5
I would definitely say "Shake It Off" and "California Gurls" performed similarly, and trying to decipher one being a bigger hit over the other is next to impossible for the moment. It'll be easier to tell once a few years pass and we can look back to see the lasting impact of "Shake It Off" versus "California Gurls." As for "Blank Space" versus "Teenage Dream," the obvious winner here is "Blank Space." I honestly can't see any argument of "Teenage Dream" being the bigger hit between those two. Then the opposite can be said for "Style" versus "Firework" with "Firework" of course being bigger than "Style." However, all six singles mentioned were big hits. We'll see if "Bad Blood" can keep her streak of hits going like "E.T." did for Katy, and I full expect it to. I completely understand the comparisons between 1989 and Teenage Dream. Their impacts are very, very similar. You have to look at way more than just chart peaks. Sure, "Style" did not reach the number one spot on the Hot 100, but that doesn't immediately make "Style" any less of a success than any single from Katy's album. All a number one is is a chance to say that your song was the most popular song in the United States during that week. "Style" never got the chance to say that, but that doesn't rule out it being a big hit either. I would argue that "Style"'s cultural impact and success is similarly in line with "Teenage Dream." Taylor is simply everywhere at the moment in ways that very few artists ever are, and the last time an artist was this in your face was Katy Perry. (Well, Adele, but 21 is a bit of a different beast that can't be compared.) I agree. And it is not like ALL of Teenage Dream's singles were memorable. The One that got away definitely feels like a smaller hit then her other hits on the album. Style was a TOTGA hit, in that it went number one, but it just simply was not as popular as past singles.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 20, 2015 15:07:00 GMT -5
Its so hard for me to compare eras when you have an albums artist like Taylor and someone who is stronger in singles like Katy. Like, yes, TD singles will ultimately perform better, but Taylor will probably double TD's total sales in the US WITHOUT a massive re-release lol. Its hard to declare one or the other more successful, to me, with contextualizing (which, I think most people here are just talking singles). I still wish Style had had a better video. If it had an epic video, then absolutely no one would be moaning about it being an under-performer.
On another note, I had to listen to the radio for an hour or two the other day while in the car with a friend and I am SO SO happy that I never listen to radio. It was basically Taylor FM on two different pop stations. I would HATE Taylor if I still relied on radio as my main means for listening to music.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 20, 2015 15:55:00 GMT -5
1989 might not hit the #1 streak of Teenage Dream, but it has already obliterated it in terms of album sales. Giben the fact additional hits are likely and I don't think 1989 pales in comparison, at all.
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Post by slamina on Apr 20, 2015 16:26:57 GMT -5
Taylor has the superior album sales, but that was a given. In terms of pop number ones Katy got 6 just on the original album alone so Taylor would need 3 more to tie, and for the hot 100 number ones...."Style" has already ruined that streak.
This era feels pretty close to how Teenage Dream did to me if we are looking at the first three singles side by side. The question is whether the album will go 6 singles deep and have TD's longevity. Only time will tell. I have my suspicions that it's going slow down from here.
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Post by Kinney on Apr 20, 2015 16:43:01 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious Taylor didn't care to have any sort of #1 streak on the Hot 100, otherwise she would have at least bothered to promote "Style" even once during it's single run. Whether this was to avoid overexposure or take the pressure off having to top herself with the next era, I don't know. She hasn't had any sort of promotion in the US (and only one performance outside the US) since New Year's Eve, almost 5 months now.
It bothers me because I really think Style could have been a #1 (even with her massive album sales) if she had performed it at the Grammys/iHeartRadio Music Awards/anywhere, but it is what it is.
Hopefully "Bad Blood" can bring her back to the top. Just wish she was reaching that top spot with a more worthy song.
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Post by musicbuff26 on Apr 20, 2015 17:07:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I truly think that the less-than-stellar video hurt her chances for #1 with "Style", especially with a lack of streaming anywhere else. But, let's be honest, it wasn't likely to go #1 anyways. I don't think even a perfect video was going to get it past UF, but she could have gotten top 3.
While Katy Perry has the incredible feat of 5 #1s, I don't think that seems to be Taylor's goal. Not saying it was KP's goal, but I seem to remember a lot of conversation about TGIF getting some promo at the last minute to get the #1. (A remix if I remember correctly?) Clearly TS wasn't trying with "Style".
But, it doesn't really matter. Both albums are going to be 2 of the biggest albums of the decade in their own right.
Back to "Bad Blood" though. I think this is the song with the most "hit" potential left on the album (which is saying a lot, I see at least 2-3 others that I think could be big). I think it should at least be a top 5 hit (BB of course) with a great chance of #1 with an awesome video.
Anyone else find it funny that we're comparing the two artists that (allegedly) this song is about?
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Post by Clauss on Apr 20, 2015 17:13:18 GMT -5
I think this its gonna be like The END album in terms of single peaks in hot 100. BBP / SIO : #1 IGF / BS : #1 MMHW / S : #7 / #6 IB / BB: #1 / #1 hopefully or top 3 RTB / WD or OOTW (pls) : #9 / top 10 hopefully
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Post by irice22 on Apr 20, 2015 17:15:09 GMT -5
I'd say #1 is always the goal of any single release, but sometimes the label will put more effort into it. TO qualify, we should also note that it's more more difficult to come by a #1 these days than it was in the Teenage Dream era. "Style" performed just fine. A Hot 100 Top 10 should no longer be considered an under-performer for anyone these days. That Top 10 is expensive.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Apr 20, 2015 17:20:14 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious Taylor didn't care to have any sort of #1 streak on the Hot 100, otherwise she would have at least bothered to promote "Style" even once during it's single run. Whether this was to avoid overexposure or take the pressure off having to top herself with the next era, I don't know. She hasn't had any sort of promotion in the US (and only one performance outside the US) since New Year's Eve, almost 5 months now. It bothers me because I really think Style could have been a #1 (even with her massive album sales) if she had performed it at the Grammys/iHeartRadio Music Awards/anywhere, but it is what it is. Hopefully "Bad Blood" can bring her back to the top. Just wish she was reaching that top spot with a more worthy song. Now that we know about her mother, I'm guessing that part of Taylor not going gangbusters on the promotion for Style had something to do with that. I also suspect that when Taylor went public with it, the worst had come to pass and that's why the CMA Milestone Award and Bad Blood (remix) seem like a new focus.
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Post by Kinney on Apr 20, 2015 17:39:09 GMT -5
^ I hadn't even thought about that, it does make sense in hindsight. Hopefully you're right and it's a sign that the worst of her mother's battle is behind her.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Apr 20, 2015 17:45:22 GMT -5
lol you had me until this. Paramore isn't unknown by any stretch of the imagination, and Hayley Williams is pretty much the face of the band. The bold certainly isn't wrong. If you're trying to imply that she isn't recognizable, consider that for pop listeners, she's no less recognizable than Kendrick. Hell, Paramore has had more hits on the format than he has ETA: he doesn't even have one, lol. Drag ha! A Grammy win this year, smash collabs with Zedd and B.O.B., 2 Top 10 CHR/Pop platinum selling hits with Paramore from their self-titled album, etc.
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