jjose712
4x Platinum Member
Joined: October 2012
Posts: 4,372
|
Post by jjose712 on May 27, 2015 5:43:52 GMT -5
Even with the releases being such a mess, i think he is going to succeed, and in part is because he wants to be Ed Sheeran and not Justin Bieber (it's a way of talk, i'm pretty sure he wants to be just himself).
People always say that it can't be two successful teen acts, and in my opinion that's just only because generally teen acts offer all the same. When your sound it's different, you have a chance
|
|
Mikey
2x Platinum Member
Mainstream Hater
nothing anyhow
|
Post by Mikey on May 29, 2015 9:49:34 GMT -5
Oh this is quite nice :)
Pop :
52 43 SHAWN MENDES Stitches 1095 816 279 3.747
+ 7 Spins - 83 Bullet + 0.106 Audience
|
|
Mikey
2x Platinum Member
Mainstream Hater
nothing anyhow
|
Post by Mikey on May 30, 2015 9:05:38 GMT -5
Pop :
50 42 SHAWN MENDES Stitches 1132 877 255 3.940
+ 37 Spins - 24 Bullet + 0.193 Audience
|
|
jax94
New Member
Joined: March 2015
Posts: 182
|
Post by jax94 on May 31, 2015 19:16:45 GMT -5
Top 50 on itunes!
|
|
crazyfun1
New Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 474
|
Post by crazyfun1 on May 31, 2015 19:26:58 GMT -5
Even with the releases being such a mess, i think he is going to succeed, and in part is because he wants to be Ed Sheeran and not Justin Bieber (it's a way of talk, i'm pretty sure he wants to be just himself). People always say that it can't be two successful teen acts, and in my opinion that's just only because generally teen acts offer all the same. When your sound it's different, you have a chance I disagree. Most people who listen to Pop radio don't like different and different artists on pop are usually not as successful as studio-manufactured ones. Pop is all about fake, not real and real artists don't last long.
|
|
Nicolexo
Diamond Member
Joined: February 2008
Posts: 15,052
|
Post by Nicolexo on May 31, 2015 23:10:52 GMT -5
I'm happy that he'll finally be scoring a radio hit with this one! Impressive that the other two singles went gold with no radio support.
|
|
McCreerian
9x Platinum Member
Joined: June 2010
Posts: 9,029
|
Post by McCreerian on May 31, 2015 23:16:36 GMT -5
That just proves artists don't need radio to have a successful career anymore. Radio is so 20th Century! lol
|
|
top40guy
New Member
Joined: January 2015
Posts: 340
|
Post by top40guy on Jun 1, 2015 1:31:48 GMT -5
Been hearing this on Sirius XM Hits 1 a lot the past week. A little corny lyrics-wise but really catchy. I think it'll be a hit!!!
|
|
jjose712
4x Platinum Member
Joined: October 2012
Posts: 4,372
|
Post by jjose712 on Jun 1, 2015 4:47:07 GMT -5
Even with the releases being such a mess, i think he is going to succeed, and in part is because he wants to be Ed Sheeran and not Justin Bieber (it's a way of talk, i'm pretty sure he wants to be just himself). People always say that it can't be two successful teen acts, and in my opinion that's just only because generally teen acts offer all the same. When your sound it's different, you have a chance I disagree. Most people who listen to Pop radio don't like different and different artists on pop are usually not as successful as studio-manufactured ones. Pop is all about fake, not real and real artists don't last long. We are talking about totally different things. First of all Shawn is 16, he can try to catch some adult fans but the odds are against it. Teens change their mind a thousand times, the singer who was cool five minutes ago it's not cool anymore. It's obvious that going the Bieber route is not working (just ask Austin Mahone), what Shawn is doing is thinking in the long time. He wants to be a singer songwriter, and yes, his model is Ed Sheeran not Bieber, not One Direction. He has previous fans from his time on Vine, so he has that advantage. And it's true that labels want their artist cut the same way, they want to control the music, the interviews and in some cases even who they date. But if you are a manufactured artist your shelf life is short unless you are able to evolve. Offer the same sound and same lyrics work sometimes (just watch the country chart), but for a teen act is almost a suicide, because if you offer the same that Bieber or OD offer, people will stay with them instead of you
|
|
McCreerian
9x Platinum Member
Joined: June 2010
Posts: 9,029
|
Post by McCreerian on Jun 1, 2015 15:32:28 GMT -5
I disagree. Most people who listen to Pop radio don't like different and different artists on pop are usually not as successful as studio-manufactured ones. Pop is all about fake, not real and real artists don't last long. We are talking about totally different things. First of all Shawn is 16, he can try to catch some adult fans but the odds are against it. Teens change their mind a thousand times, the singer who was cool five minutes ago it's not cool anymore. It's obvious that going the Bieber route is not working (just ask Austin Mahone), what Shawn is doing is thinking in the long time. He wants to be a singer songwriter, and yes, his model is Ed Sheeran not Bieber, not One Direction. He has previous fans from his time on Vine, so he has that advantage. And it's true that labels want their artist cut the same way, they want to control the music, the interviews and in some cases even who they date. But if you are a manufactured artist your shelf life is short unless you are able to evolve. Offer the same sound and same lyrics work sometimes (just watch the country chart), but for a teen act is almost a suicide, because if you offer the same that Bieber or OD offer, people will stay with them instead of you Thank you! I totally agree with all of this!
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 1, 2015 16:23:01 GMT -5
Pop is all about fake, not real and real artists don't last long. What
|
|
crazyfun1
New Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 474
|
Post by crazyfun1 on Jun 1, 2015 20:16:00 GMT -5
Pop is all about fake, not real and real artists don't last long. What Pop music is all about fake and fake doesn't last long, but real artists in pop don't last long either because they don't fit into the typical pop sound that the majority of listeners are used to hearing
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 1, 2015 20:31:48 GMT -5
Pop music is all about fake and fake doesn't last long, but real artists in pop don't last long either because they don't fit into the typical pop sound that the majority of listeners are used to hearing What's a fake artist?
|
|
crazyfun1
New Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 474
|
Post by crazyfun1 on Jun 1, 2015 20:33:22 GMT -5
Pop music is all about fake and fake doesn't last long, but real artists in pop don't last long either because they don't fit into the typical pop sound that the majority of listeners are used to hearing What's a fake artist? An artist who doesn't sound real.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 1, 2015 20:39:09 GMT -5
An artist who doesn't sound real. I still don't understand. Well, I do, but I don't think you understand. "Fake" artists and "fake" music is a defense people have when criticizing music they don't like or praising music they do like and it says more about the person saying it than it does about the music they think they're criticizing. Not every singer is going to follow the rules people have when defining an "artist". Some singers are performers. Some singers write their own music. Some don't. Some writers sing their own music. Some don't. There's nothing "fake" about pop music. Pop music fits its own template that doesn't follow the guidelines put in place for other styles of music, such as the requirement/expectation singers have to write their own material or play their own instruments. There are other areas of priority for pop singers that differentiate it from other genres. If you don't like what goes into making pop music, that's fair, but if you're going to rely on the so-called argument that it's "fake", you don't know what you're talking about.
|
|
crazyfun1
New Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 474
|
Post by crazyfun1 on Jun 1, 2015 20:50:07 GMT -5
So are you saying that automated vocals and Auto tune used in tons of pop music isn't fake ? I listen to some pop music but a lot of Classic Rock.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 1, 2015 22:02:12 GMT -5
So are you saying that automated vocals and Auto tune used in tons of pop music isn't fake ? I listen to some pop music but a lot of Classic Rock. Correct. Synthetic, perhaps. Maybe even deceiving. But music is music. And in the case of pop music, less emphasis is put on the areas that other music genres (and even generations, such as from the periods of classic rock) do. It might be hard for a purist to grasp but until we get to a point where music is actually created by computers with zero input from people, it'll still be real.
|
|
jjose712
4x Platinum Member
Joined: October 2012
Posts: 4,372
|
Post by jjose712 on Jun 2, 2015 3:03:00 GMT -5
In pop there was always a lot of manufactured artist. People critizied talent shows, but the only difference between talent shows and what happens on labels is that what happens in talent shows is public.
Labels generally look for some type of artist, and generally the looks are more important that how they sing. Curiously talent shows make singing live on tv on fashion again which was not exactly good for a lot of established singers.
In other genres singers were generally discovered singing in bars, on pop was more like the label searching for someone with some characteristics and making a casting.
One Direction is the perfect example of manufactured group, they weren't even a group but a bunch of solo singers, suddenly someone has the idea they will work better together (in this case Simon Cowell) and you have a group. I put one direction as example because their "fabrication" was public, but with boybands that's the norm and not the exception.
And using boybands as example we have N'Sync that are the perfect example that with charisma and talent no matter how it all start. N'Sync did an clear evolution, his last album had a different sound that paved Justin's way to a solo career.
Anyway, right now on pop there a lot of people having success that make their way to the charts because of their talent and not their looks (looks and talent are not mutually exclusive, Bruno Mars is a cute guy but he is really good live). And even the sound of the songs of the chart right now is very diverse.
Maybe the labels want their manufactured artist, because they are generally very young and easier to control, but that doesn't mean they can't evolve. We have Robyn who was just a swedish version of Britney, and she changed totally her career after the teen years.
And of course there are people with long careers that are only marginally talented, but they have the ability of surrounded themselves with people who has talent. Being smart and choosing your sound correctly at any moment is difficult.
Anyway, this dicussion doesn't have nothing to do with Shawn. One can question Shawn's origins as Vine star, but the truth is he is chosing a different way to express himself in comparision with other teen stars. If it's the best for him or if he has a long career ahead it's something will see in the following years. I don't think people back in the day thought that Rihanna or Britney will be the big stars they are now when they released their first singles, and we have examples of the opposite, people that everybody thought they will rule for years that are totally forgotten now
|
|
crazyfun1
New Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 474
|
Post by crazyfun1 on Jun 2, 2015 4:50:42 GMT -5
There's a radio program here where it's nothing but acoustic songs by todays popular artists. I rather hear a broken down song and the artists real voice over computer generated stuff that doesn't even aound like the artist. That's when you know where the real vocal talent is and isn't and nothing disguising it.
|
|
Mikey
2x Platinum Member
Mainstream Hater
nothing anyhow
|
Post by Mikey on Jun 2, 2015 7:40:43 GMT -5
But... the autotune is needful and important in every track with it...
Anyway
Pop :
44 41 SHAWN MENDES Stitches 1276 1051 225 4.326
+ 18 Spins - 53 Bullet - 0.038 Audience
Itunes : #47
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 23:07:14 GMT -5
Currently 42nd on iTunes. Been steadily rising the past 30 hours.
|
|
|
Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jun 3, 2015 6:11:34 GMT -5
Top 40 on Pop:
44 39 SHAWN MENDES Stitches 1318 1057 261 4.377
+ 42 Spins + 36 Bullet +0.051 Audience
|
|
jax94
New Member
Joined: March 2015
Posts: 182
|
Post by jax94 on Jun 3, 2015 21:08:46 GMT -5
The "needle in the thread" is my fav part of the song
|
|
Future Captain
3x Platinum Member
hi, i'm the visual representation of untreated mental illnesses
Joined: September 2014
Posts: 3,964
My Charts
|
Post by Future Captain on Jun 3, 2015 23:28:32 GMT -5
There's a radio program here where it's nothing but acoustic songs by todays popular artists. I rather hear a broken down song and the artists real voice over computer generated stuff that doesn't even aound like the artist. That's when you know where the real vocal talent is and isn't and nothing disguising it. I'm wondering how Tik Tok sounds like in acoustic (Kesha fan here....)
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 4, 2015 5:22:24 GMT -5
There's a radio program here where it's nothing but acoustic songs by todays popular artists. I rather hear a broken down song and the artists real voice over computer generated stuff that doesn't even aound like the artist. That's when you know where the real vocal talent is and isn't and nothing disguising it. I'm wondering how Tik Tok sounds like in acoustic (Kesha fan here....) Avril Lavigne recorded an acoustic version of it a few years ago. I quite like it. Check it out if you haven't heard it yet.
|
|
|
Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jun 4, 2015 5:24:00 GMT -5
Debuts at 89 on the hot 100.
|
|
Mikey
2x Platinum Member
Mainstream Hater
nothing anyhow
|
Post by Mikey on Jun 4, 2015 10:31:19 GMT -5
Pop :
44 38 SHAWN MENDES Stitches 1342 1088 254 4.456
+ 24 Spins - 7 Bullet + 0.079 Audience
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 1:06:09 GMT -5
#43 on iTunes. Could this finally be Shawn's first long lasting hit on the Hot 100?
|
|
jjose712
4x Platinum Member
Joined: October 2012
Posts: 4,372
|
Post by jjose712 on Jun 5, 2015 5:54:38 GMT -5
#43 on iTunes. Could this finally be Shawn's first long lasting hit on the Hot 100? To be fair, Life of the party was a hit on the hot 100, peaking at 25. But yes, i think this will be the song that establish him, at least on radio. I don't know if it will be a big hit, but at least it will be a hit
|
|
Mikey
2x Platinum Member
Mainstream Hater
nothing anyhow
|
Post by Mikey on Jun 5, 2015 10:48:41 GMT -5
Pop :
43 38 SHAWN MENDES Stitches 1370 1095 275 4.488
+ 28 Spins + 21 Bullet + 0.032 Audience
Itunes : #45
|
|