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Post by Kurt on Apr 29, 2015 20:42:24 GMT -5
The lead single from Steven Tyler's Big Machine country album is called "Love Is Your Name," as confirmed on American Idol tonight. He'll perform it with contestant Jax on the finale two weeks from tonight.
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Post by trustypepper on Apr 29, 2015 20:48:27 GMT -5
Hell. Yes. I love this man.
"It Feels So Good" was just meh a few years back but I'm excited to hear this.
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 29, 2015 21:15:39 GMT -5
I like most of Aerosmith's stuff (before they hit the 90's where every song was a big power ballad type it seemed), but I don't see any logic in this move to country music for Steven Tyler. I'm really hoping this doesn't even chart because there's too many good and dedicated country acts that are working their butt off to make the chart, and I would hate to see him make a big splash simply off his name. That being said, I'm not too worried about this one becoming a big hit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 21:21:45 GMT -5
I like most of Aerosmith's stuff (before they hit the 90's where every song was a big power ballad type it seemed), but I don't see any logic in this move to country music for Steven Tyler. I'm really hoping this doesn't even chart because there's too many good and dedicated country acts that are working their butt off to make the chart, and I would hate to see him make a big splash simply off his name. That being said, I'm not too worried about this one becoming a big hit. I mostly agree, except for the last sentence. Obviously none of us have heard this song yet, but I think he'll score 1 or 2 decent-sized hits (just because he's Steven Tyler) similar to what Kid Rock and Sheryl Crow have been able to do on country radio over the last few years. I definitely don't see this being a Darius Rucker situation though. My guess is that Tyler's contract with BMLG is only a one-album thing (or did I read that somewhere? I honestly can't remember) with the option to potentially sign on for more if the first one is good/successful.
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Post by ezherman on Apr 30, 2015 9:08:26 GMT -5
I imagine this will perform similarly to Bret Michaels' release to country radio a few years back. I think if he were in his prime Steven's chances for success in country would be a lot better. On Aerosmith's last studio album his voice just sounded like it was only at about 50%. It's been abused over the last fifty years to the point where it's just gone. I don't know how that could translate to a country sound. In my opinion he'll have to rely on superb songs/songwriting to make it happen.
One thing big thing that he has going for him is relationship with the most powerful man in Nashville. Borchetta is a huge metal head from the 80s and I think he would love to see Steven Tyler succeed in country music.
Here is a song Aerosmith did in the late 80s/early 90s with a country twang. Very catchy - one of my favorites...
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 30, 2015 11:54:47 GMT -5
I'm going to preface this by saying I like Stevan Tyler. I like his voice (as a rocker). I like his attitude. I like his spirit. I LOVE his harmonica work. I put Aerosmith's "Permanent Vacation" in a special category of pop/rock albums that I love every single track from (along with Hootie's "Cracked Rear View" , Matchbox Twentys "More Than You Think You Are" & The Black Crowes "Shake Your Money Maker"). I even like a fair bit of those big 90's power ballads, Now comes the other shoe. This just seems so disingenuous to me. Suddenly at 67 years old hes developed this love for country music? (Yes I remember the Keith Anderson duet , but lets face it , that was a lot closer to Aerosmith than George Strait). I really do welcome artists from other genres as long as it seems like a genuine love for the genre. Both Kid Rock & Sheryl Crowe showed interest years before they made a stab at it. And both have actually lived in Nashville (for all that's worth). I remember reading a "Cowboy" era Rolling Stone article where Kid professed his love for Hank Jr music and said his dream duet would be with George Jones. Sheryl Crowe has recorded more genuinely country records than either of our two ladies in country music have recently. "Waterproof Mascara" sounds like it should have been a Tammy Wynette song & shes covered Hank & Cash as well! I could have sworn I either heard or read Tyler say some pretty derogatory things about country music but I either can't find them..... or I just dreamed it up. I dunno maybe something he said on Idol? In anycase , Im reserving judgment til I hear the product , but I'm not going to lie ...I'm very suspicious.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 12:53:22 GMT -5
I don't have anything against Steven Tyler, and I'm in full agreement that it would it be frustrating to see this single do well at Country radio, while many new, (and female), artists can't be given the time of day.
That said, Steven did perform at CMT crossroads with Carrie Underwood years back, and she sang with him on Areosmith's last album. Carrie said that her work with Steven had a big influence on her when she recorded "Good Girl", and perhaps Steven had the urge to try something new once he worked with her.
I don't see this move as particularly calculating, either, since, at this age, he really has nothing to gain (or lose), if this project bombs.
A friend of mine is a huge Rock fan, and I had a discussion with her about how I thought Steven's move to Country seemed disingenuous.
She had a completely different prospective, and said that she thought a lot of artists who try their hand at Country music when they're past their prime just see the genre as a place where there are no boundaries, and it's more laid-back than other genres would be to those artists who've been around awhile.
I do see Borchetta's involvement as an absolute red flag, though, since it seems to me he'll do anything (or sign anyone), to bring some cash or media attention to his label.
However, I don't think Steven has anything to lose here
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Post by ezherman on Apr 30, 2015 13:03:50 GMT -5
. . . I really do welcome artists from other genres as long as it seems like a genuine love for the genre. Both Kid Rock & Sheryl Crowe showed interest years before they made a stab at it. And both have actually lived in Nashville (for all that's worth). . . . I could have sworn I either heard or read Tyler say some pretty derogatory things about country music but I either can't find them..... or I just dreamed it up. I dunno maybe something he said on Idol? In anycase , Im reserving judgment til I hear the product , but I'm not going to lie ...I'm very suspicious. Steven has spent a decent amount of time in Nashville the past decade or so. He's been known to make surprise appearances at the Bluebird and spends a lot of time writing and hanging out with Marti Frederiksen, one of Aerosmith's producers and co-writers (who lives in Nashville). Like you, Uncle Lumpy I'm a bit suspicious but I honestly don't see any airplay coming out of this project.
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Post by onebuffalo on May 2, 2015 8:33:32 GMT -5
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Post by sabre14 on May 2, 2015 12:47:05 GMT -5
Lol, we already knew that from the first post. :)
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 12:58:46 GMT -5
I just can't understand the discontent with Steven Tyler's move to country. Now, even if a single is does meet one's arbitrary standards of what's "country," it's not acceptable if it doesn't "feel" like the artist is "committed" to the format? I guess I have an entirely different outlook on music. I don't care who is releasing music and I really couldn't care less if they only release one country single and then move to another format. What matters to me is the quality of the music and whether it draws fans to the genre. I've never been one to have strict standards for what's "country," but I'd even value whether something sounds like country or not over whether I think an artist is "devoted."
It's not country radio's job to support the artists who have been working the longest or hardest at releasing country music if their music simply isn't popular. What matters is whose music listeners like. I would understand the frustrations if Tyler came along with a half-hearted effort that didn't attract any buzz but radio still played him, because he's got name recognition from another format, over some act like Old Dominion that's already attracted a lot of listener support but doesn't have the "big name recognition." However, I'd be shocked if that ended up being the case. I think radio will play the music if it's popular, and if it's not Steven Tyler won't do more at country radio than Kelly Clarkson did. I'm actually hoping this ends up being a decent song and smashing at country radio. The format needs to draw in some different demographics of listeners, and this might get some rock fans interested in country.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on May 2, 2015 13:52:55 GMT -5
The format needs to draw in some different demographics of listeners, and this might get some rock fans interested in country. With the identity crisis and sliding listnership of country music right now , I would argue the last thing that country music needs as a genre is to attract people that generally speaking dont like country music. Just this week we've had one of the most powerful men in the industry ( John Dickey) openly admitting pop music (Sam Hunt) is being served to a country radio and is now even playing bonafide pop artist on country stations in key markets , basically using them as Guinea pigs . Whats the end game for this? As fans of country music , what good does it do for the genre we love, if theres nothing left that resembles country music at the end? As I said above if the music he releases is genuinely country and more importantly , if it good... I'll eat my words & support Tyler. But if this turns out more like Borchetta's last "baby" , The Motley Crue "Country" tribute I will call it what it is.... a blatant money grab.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 15:58:56 GMT -5
The format needs to draw in some different demographics of listeners, and this might get some rock fans interested in country. Country has been pulling in rock listeners for a long, long time now, ever since the rock format basically collapsed. Where are country fans supposed to go to get country music if country radio is only interested in playing...whatever you call the music stations are playing these days? Social media pages are filled with comments from people who are disenchanted with country radio of today. I think country radio would be much better off if they tried to get back some of the listeners they've lost over the last 10-20 years rather than trying to pull in fans of rock music and pop music, who probably could care less about country music and its history.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 16:23:53 GMT -5
I'm not saying I want Steven Tyler to release a rock song, but even if he releases a song that is unarguably "country," I think it'd interest some rock fans in country music since he's a pretty big "rock icon." The point is, I'm not worried whether an artist is devoted to the format, as long as the songs they do release are reasonable. Even as a country artist, I think Steven Tyler's presence on country radio might interest some rock fans. That's why I'll be glad to have him. As for the social media comments that jhomes87 brought up, I too noticed that there's an overwhelming amount of negative comments regarding today's modern pop country artists, but I imagine this could be a minority group that is more vocal than the majority, since country Callout scores are usually pretty positive for bro-country and pop country, which indicates that most average country radio listeners favor that kind of music. I guess it's up to country radio to decide which type of music has the biggest potential audience. I personally don't know what I'd listen to if country radio went back to traditional music, though. My interests are more in country that has a pop or rock sound to it, which I can't find in any other format. Ideally a balance of different types of country (rock, pop, traditional, etc.) on the radio would be good, but I wonder how many traditional fans would be okay with even this "compromise." Right now country radio has a pretty diverse balance of modern and traditional country on the radio (at least more so than it has had in at least a year or so), but I still see an overwhelming amount of discontent with country radio stations simply for devoting a portion of their airtime to the kind of music released by Jason Aldean, Luke Bryan, etc, so I feel like country radio might still be losing the hardcore traditional listeners if the music it plays isn't almost entirely traditional.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 16:39:42 GMT -5
As for the social media comments that jhomes87 brought up, I too noticed that there's an overwhelming amount of negative comments regarding today's modern pop country artists, but I imagine this could be a minority group that is more vocal than the majority, since country Callout scores are usually pretty positive for bro-country and pop country, which indicates that most average country radio listeners favor that kind of music. Right, but that's because anybody who hates country radio today (but used to love it) is obviously no longer listening to the radio and is not being surveyed by these callout reports, lol. Callout reports generally reflect the tastes of the most loyal listeners, so right now the feedback is going to be heavily skewed in favor of the type of music that's dominated country radio over the last 1-2 years. I think there's very little overlap between people who listen to country radio today and people who listened to it in, say, the late 90's. And I think there is an incredibly high number of people (not just a vocal minority on social media) who are disenchanted with today's country radio. Everywhere I go, when I talk to people about country music, nearly all of them say it isn't country anymore. I actually had this conversation with a bunch of friends in a country bar last night (and we're all college-age). Pretty much everybody said it was better growing up, and even though some of the stuff from the past few years is fun to dance to, nearly everybody said it's mostly pop.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on May 2, 2015 17:14:11 GMT -5
As for the social media comments that jhomes87 brought up, I too noticed that there's an overwhelming amount of negative comments regarding today's modern pop country artists, but I imagine this could be a minority group that is more vocal than the majority, since country Callout scores are usually pretty positive for bro-country and pop country, which indicates that most average country radio listeners favor that kind of music. Keep in mind that callout from Critical Mass Media and Callout America consists of feedback from around 400 "empaneled" listeners who already claim to be active country radio listeners, and that pool is occasionally refreshed to reflect not the opinions of country music fans in general, but the opinions of people who still listen to country radio. So you can't make majority/minority assessments about the views of country music fans in general based on callout, which is deliberately designed to reflect the views of a selection of people who claim to still listen to country radio for at least three hours a day or so. The group of people who claim to still listen to country radio for at least a certain number of hours per day or so (also known as "P1s") would naturally be more tolerant of today's country radio mix, such as it is. But that doesn't account for people who now spend more time on a streaming service or have otherwise dropped radio as their primary means of consuming country music. Yeah, what jhomes87 said while I was drafting this.Ideally a balance of different types of country (rock, pop, traditional, etc.) on the radio would be good, but I wonder how many traditional fans would be okay with even this "compromise." Right now country radio has a pretty diverse balance of modern and traditional country on the radio (at least more so than it has had in at least a year or so), but I still see an overwhelming amount of discontent with country radio stations simply for devoting a portion of their airtime to the kind of music released by Jason Aldean, Luke Bryan, etc, so I feel like country radio might still be losing the hardcore traditional listeners if the music it plays isn't almost entirely traditional. While I can't definitively answer your question, the current ratings in a couple of markets certainly suggest that a traditional (including veteran artists)/crossover/not country mix is a more fruitful way for country radio to go than its current crossover/not country skew. Since flipping to the Nash Icons format and adopting a playlist that combines current hits (with the top ones given a relatively low 40-50 spins per week) with gold cuts, WSM-FM Nashville has become the top station in Nashville out of the three major FM country stations in the market, while previous #1, the more current-driven WSIX, has dropped to #3. Over in Dallas, KPLX plays more of a mix than KSCS, which is the station that has started to mix in Top-40 hits into its playlist and plays its top currents in higher rotation, and KPLX continues to lead the ratings in that market, too. Moreover, the very callout scores that you cited suggests that those willing to identify themselves as committed radio listeners, the younger male demographic that has been most supportive of the "bro country" wave in particular, is the most resistant to female voices, to ballads (especially the traditional-leaning ones). So it seems to me that the most uncompromising among country fans are not traditional country fans (social media rhetoric notwithstanding), but those who came to country radio more recently. It's logical, really -- up until 2011-2012, country radio's growth was based on songs with multi-generational appeal and a mix of sounds, and the pop country wave led by Carrie Underwood, Taylor Swift, Lady Antebellum, and The Band Perry was offset by the ongoing strength of traditionalists like George Strait, Josh Turner, Alan Jackson, and more. Heck, Lee Ann Womack scored a top-15 hit (that tested and deserved better) during that time! Country radio abandoned that catch-all strategy for one with a much narrower demographic focus a few years ago, and that narrower demographic focus yielded a base with narrower taste, which makes a re-expansion of sound and theme more challenging for research-reliant programming.
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Post by jrb56 on May 3, 2015 11:37:01 GMT -5
I grew up listening to gospel ,bluegrass and country. As a teenager I started listening to more rock and remember listening to Aerosmith's debut album and becoming a fan the summer before my senior year in high school. As the 70's turned into the 80's I was listening to more and more southern rock. By the 90's I was just a radio channel changer some country, some rock ,some pop. By the 2000's I was listening to exculsively country radio or music I had become acquainted with from country radio. Over the last few years I have listened to less and less country radio till I rarely listen at all anymore. Considering LBT is my favorite, it surely isn't because I don't like pop/rock country. Why? First, what I don't hear, emotional storytelling ballads or female voices. I thought these were always country music's strong suits. Second, what I do hear, generic " boxed" melodies with sound alike lyrics performed by male vocalists who wish they had 50% of the uniqueness or command that Stephen Tyler displayed back in the Toys In the Attic tour days. Now do I think Tyler's style or delivery would fit in any way fit country music traditions or rhythms? Well No but can't be any worse then what goes to the top of the charts these days. Don't get me wrong this isn't an indictment of all county music's male vocalists as I set listen to Dierk's "Riser" album for the 1000th time.
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Post by drummerman2009 on May 3, 2015 12:55:16 GMT -5
I see this being just a curiosity song that will be played on morning shows as an "aw shucks" moment and then fade away like Bon Jovi's attempts for a country career after the duet with Jennifer Nettles "Who Says You Can't Go Home" went #1 but afterwards a couple of singles and faded away from the format.
Had Steven made a country album after "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing" and he was 20 years younger at the time then I might say he had a chance but since he's at the age when country artists are extinct (67) then I think he won't have a chance even if Scott Borchetta and Big Machine are behind it. Besides I have never heard Steven say anything about who his favorite country artists are or if he's doing this album as an novelty. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 13:10:03 GMT -5
I see this being just a curiosity song that will be played on morning shows as an "aw shucks" moment and then fade away like Bon Jovi's attempts for a country career after the duet with Jennifer Nettles "Who Says You Can't Go Home" went #1 but afterwards a couple of singles and faded away from the format. Had Steven made a country album after "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing" and he was 20 years younger at the time then I might say he had a chance but since he's at the age when country artists are extinct (67) then I think he won't have a chance even if Scott Borchetta and Big Machine are behind it. Besides I have never heard Steven say anything about who his favorite country artists are or if he's doing this album as an novelty. Time will tell. Steven touched on this a little bit before his deal with Big Machine was final: "I'm going down to Nashville [in] January, February, March, April to write and see what we get," he said at the time. Tyler added: "I grew up with the EVERLY BROTHERS. So even 'Cryin'''s got a little [sings with an exaggerated twang] 'There was a time when I was brokenhearted.' It started like that — of course I had to do it AEROSMITH-ish, which was more rocked out — but there's a piece of me that just loves country so much. And I'm not sure what kind of country that is, but it's got the fifth harmony, and anyone who knows who the EVERLY BROTHERS is — it's those kinds of melodies that are just so, so good." www.blabbermouth.net/news/report-aerosmiths-steven-tyler-to-release-country-album/#KEBqulQWcMG41try.99
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Post by LBTrocks on May 4, 2015 17:56:31 GMT -5
I really don't want Steven Tyler in country music because I'm not a fan of his screaming vocals. I love Aerosmith's "Dream On" but that's pretty much the only time I've enjoyed anything related to Tyler. I'll give this song a listen with an open mind, but my expectations are pretty low. Hopefully I'll end up being pleasantly surprised.
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Post by rsmatto on May 11, 2015 16:23:03 GMT -5
(Unfortunately) If Country Radio considers the likes of Alan Jackson (56) and George Strait (62) too old, don't count on hearing too much of Steven Tyler (67) on your country dial (regardless how good the song may/may not be). They likely will play it at first, if only cause it's a curiosity.
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Post by ezherman on May 13, 2015 9:27:41 GMT -5
It's streaming on iHeart now too. I actually REALLY like the sound of this. Still not convinced it will do much on the charts, but I will enjoy listening to it. I love the harmonies and the sound that they came up with for this single. Not nearly as "loud" as I thought it was going to be. Kind of stripped down, actually. He does scream a little bit when he strains to hit the higher notes, but that's his signature sound.
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Post by sabre14 on May 13, 2015 14:05:46 GMT -5
This was delivered to radio via Play Mpe at 3:00 a.m. ET Impacting immediately.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 16:08:37 GMT -5
This is getting some sort of iHeartRadio world premiere. I'm not sure whether it's bi-hourly, only on some stations, or a "full" deal, but I find it strange that Chris Young can't get his lead single any sort of IHM world premiere support while an artist who has literally never had a country single before can. I wonder if Dot simply got IHM to agree to a world premiere before RCA, and so Chris couldn't get anything because iHeartMedia didn't want to have two consecutive world premiere deals.
This definitely goes along with the traditional style of all Dot Records' music, which makes me skeptical this will do much after getting some curiosity spins. I don't think Tyler's age would have anything to do with his radio success if he released radio-friendly music, but I'm not sure Steven Tyler plans on committing to a long-term country music career or establishing a strong presence at mainstream radio. This seems to me like just something he was interested in trying rather than a permanent career shift.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 16:35:14 GMT -5
This is getting some sort of iHeartRadio world premiere. I'm not sure whether it's bi-hourly, only on some stations, or a "full" deal, but I find it strange that Chris Young can't get his lead single any sort of IHM world premiere support while an artist who has literally never had a country single before can. I wonder if Dot simply got IHM to agree to a world premiere before RCA, and so Chris couldn't get anything because iHeartMedia didn't want to have two consecutive world premiere deals. This definitely goes along with the traditional style of all Dot Records' music, which makes me skeptical this will do much after getting some curiosity spins. I don't think Tyler's age would have anything to do with his radio success if he released radio-friendly music, but I'm not sure Steven Tyler plans on committing to a long-term country music career or establishing a strong presence at mainstream radio. This seems to me like just something he was interested in trying rather than a permanent career shift. The labels don't have anything to do with iHeartMedia world premieres. They can't buy or arrange for airplay--that would be illegal. I'll bet that iHeartMedia is giving this one a bunch of early spins simply because he's a big name, and they really like to hype up 'events' like this. I expect this to make a big splash but then I think it will really struggle. I would hardly call this a traditional country song. Sure, it's got some country instruments mixed in there, but that doesn't make it a traditional country song in my opinion. This doesn't sound very country at all to me, mostly because of his voice, and I don't think it's a very good song either. He just doesn't sound very good here. As for his age, I absolutely think that will play a factor, but it's probably a moot point because like you said, I doubt he's suddenly going to release a bunch of country albums like Darius Rucker has done. Most likely this will be a one or two project type of thing. Beyond this first single, though, I don't see Steven Tyler getting much airplay on country radio, especially since they're phasing out artists like George and Reba, and even Toby Keith and Alan Jackson as well. If country radio won't play those veteran artists, then I don't see them playing a nearly 70-year-old Steven Tyler, aside from this first single. Again, I do expect this to make an initial splash, but after that I don't see it doing much or becoming a very big hit.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:31:37 GMT -5
Steven Tyler hosted a listening party in LA last night for a lot of prominent radio folks, and of course most of the executives from BMLG were there as well. Here's what AllAccess' RJ Curtis had to say (a paraphrasing of what Scott Borchetta said last night): www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/141416/steven-tyler-wows-country-programmers-at-l-a-liste?ref=mail_country_dailyThe article is a bit unclear...it doesn't say that Borchetta specifically said that they would go to Triple A radio, but maybe he implied it. In any case, RJ Curtis (AllAccess editor) seems to think that a couple tracks would be embraced by Triple A radio programmers, so we'll have to see if BMLG/Dot sends a couple of singles to Triple A in addition to Country.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 14, 2015 6:24:01 GMT -5
This is how it's doing so far on MB:
0 46 STEVEN TYLER Love Is Your Name 820 0 820 7.18
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Post by drummerman2009 on May 14, 2015 9:39:07 GMT -5
This is how it's doing so far on MB: 0 46 STEVEN TYLER Love Is Your Name 820 0 820 7.18 That is really a surprise!! Instead of believing that this song will barely chart or do nothing at all, looks like it will probably debut in the 30's next week on Billboard Country Airplay chart. What caused LIYN to jump up like this? Surely it couldn't be the performance on American Idol last night because I don't think it would have jumped so quickly since it had only been a few hours since the performance.
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