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Post by jimmyt on May 10, 2015 8:29:36 GMT -5
I really like Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran. But they are both overexposed, no doubt due to short term record company greed. I think virtually everyone on this thread actually likes, LIC, the issue many have is the timing.
I hope it does well and they haven't blown it for him.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 10, 2015 8:30:18 GMT -5
As a new member of this board I get the feeling there's lots of bias. Yes we are talking about Sam Smith here but it could be any artist. I am a fan of Ed Sheerans but not Taylor and I do find Ed to be overexposed as well. My point was for so many people to say that Sam is when all of those peoples favorites are probably overexposed either a lot or a little, seems one-sided to me. If we can talk about one artist we can talk about them all, good or bad. I wasn't talking about "people's favourites" in my response.
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Post by crazyfun1 on May 10, 2015 11:21:03 GMT -5
His record label messed up big time having LMD as the 3rd single. My friends and I were discussing that the worst thing they could have done was release a slow song instead of a faster-paced one. I do think LIC will fair pretty well maybe not #1 but Top 10. And I love that compared to the other named artists above, that Sam's not more overexposed than them. It gives people less of a reason to be sick of him. I heard LIC this morning on my local music tv station who only plays the latest hits also.
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Post by jjose712 on May 10, 2015 12:18:12 GMT -5
I really like Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran. But they are both overexposed, no doubt due to short term record company greed. I think virtually everyone on this thread actually likes, LIC, the issue many have is the timing. I hope it does well and they haven't blown it for him. What do you really mean when you say overexposed? Ed and Sam had several songs on the radio with big recurrent play, but that's due to the fact that those songs were very successful. In terms of being everywhere i don't think they are as exposed as other artist with less success. In fact they are quite private. There's absolutely nobody more overexposed than Rihanna, she had singles on the pop charts non stop for years, and her private life is everywhere. That never affected her. Of course she is an exception, but i don't think we are talking about the same here. Ed and Sam appear in the media regularly becuase their albums are successful. When you sell the way they are selling right now it's difficult the media didn't pay attention to you. Ed is on his second album, and the first was very successful too, so i think he is pretty much established right now. With Sam it will be a question of timing. The second album should not be released too soon and of course not too late either. If the album delays it will be simply a question of release a collaboration or a single in advance to not les people forget about you. But the truth is In the lonely hour was released less than a year ago, so it's too soon to think on a second album (apart of writing songs, of course). The other important think will be the single, it can't be too similar, but it can't be too different either, it's a question of meassure between playing safe and taking some risks. And in my opinion the worst thing he can do is playing too safe. Nobody expected Latch to be a big hit and it was
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Post by crazyfun1 on May 10, 2015 15:40:16 GMT -5
As far as my favorite female artist of today Pink, she isn't exposed at all IMO, and is rarely in the news for attention-seeking BS. She's also extremely successful, puts out great music and had the #3 selling tour 2 years ago which was in very high demand, that she had to add shows. It would be awesome if for the first single of Sams next album, that he would do something unpredictable and a little unexpected. Everyone knows his vocals are stunning so I hope he still uses them to create something different, maybe outside of his comfort zone. I also wonder how much of his songs or career are being controlled by his record label and not just him.
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Post by jjose712 on May 11, 2015 5:27:49 GMT -5
By the way, for the first time since the first of march of last year, there's no Sam Smith's songs on the UK's top 40. On the other hand the album climbs again to number 3
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Post by jjose712 on May 13, 2015 13:55:17 GMT -5
Two early adds this week. We'll see how the song do next week. It's a pity his voice problems because all will be easier with the Billboard awards performance
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Post by allow that on May 13, 2015 23:07:20 GMT -5
I've slept through all three of Sam's previous singles so far, but this song I can keep coming back to.
Any good remixes out there?
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Post by jimmyt on May 18, 2015 11:41:10 GMT -5
Not Really sure what's going on with this. Still only #600 on iTunes, not much interest or buzz. It is a v.good song.
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Post by irice22 on May 18, 2015 12:22:41 GMT -5
My roommate and I have a game where a song will come on the radio or on a mix and he will have to guess if it's Ed Sheeran or Sam Smith. He's shockingly bad.
I did this in the early 00's with my dad with Michelle Branch and Vanessa Carlton. At least those two really did sound similar.
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Post by jjose712 on May 18, 2015 12:30:58 GMT -5
Not Really sure what's going on with this. Still only #600 on iTunes, not much interest or buzz. It is a v.good song. There's no way this will climb on itunes right now. The songs doesn't have airplay and he can't promote it. I don't think this will get a lot of adds this week, right now it has 3 on hot ac, and it's not even in the top 10 of more added songs on pop. I think it will struggle for a while, if he is able to do promo after the surgery, the song will climb easily on itunes, if not, the odds will be against this, because Lay me down killed the momentum on radio (in fact the song did better on streams and even sales than on airplay). I don't think will see this on top 50 for at least a couple of weeks (the fact that reaching top 50 now is more difficult due to the number of spins needed it's not going to help either)
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Post by jjose712 on May 19, 2015 14:22:25 GMT -5
14 adds on Hot AC and 10 on pop right now
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Post by jjose712 on May 20, 2015 4:50:18 GMT -5
Finally 21 add on pop, not great but not a disaster either, if the number of adds keeps on similar numbers on the following weeks it will be perfectly ok
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Post by jimmyt on May 21, 2015 12:29:54 GMT -5
Grrr this could have blown up if they had handled it right. Fingers crossed, its a really good song.
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Post by jjose712 on May 23, 2015 8:20:55 GMT -5
Top 50 on hot ac (with a nice bullet). It was faster than i expected. Hopefully it will made top 50 on pop next week, there are a good bunch of songs that are going to be purged (and another bunch dropping fact in the chart, so probably reach top 50 won't be as hard as it is now
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Post by crazyfun1 on May 23, 2015 13:31:45 GMT -5
This is an excellent song and it's supposed release date was the day after the Billboards. Since then my local radio station has had it playing once in the wee hours of the morning when most people aren't up to hear it. I wonder if this song will actually do worse than Lay me Down ? As far as radio this song is great. Look at Ed Sheeran. His label released Photograph which I'm not a fan of and it's another slow song, slower than his previous single. I wonder if Sams record label is well aware of their horrible choice in Lay me Down being released ? They're a record label they should know these things.
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Post by jjose712 on May 23, 2015 14:01:08 GMT -5
It's too soon to know how it will do. Lay me down killed a bit the momentum, but not that much, it was top 20 in a lot of formats, top 10 on the hot 100 and the album it's selling well.
The problem is the song is very low on itunes and he can't promote the song, so he will depend of airplay.
the fact that reached top 50 on hot ac in 6 days is a good sign, top 50 on pop is quite hard right now. With airplay the song will start to climb on itunes, and if nothing rare happens he will be well to promote the song in some weeks
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Post by crazyfun1 on May 23, 2015 16:52:36 GMT -5
It's too soon to know how it will do. Lay me down killed a bit the momentum, but not that much, it was top 20 in a lot of formats, top 10 on the hot 100 and the album it's selling well. The problem is the song is very low on itunes and he can't promote the song, so he will depend of airplay. the fact that reached top 50 on hot ac in 6 days is a good sign, top 50 on pop is quite hard right now. With airplay the song will start to climb on itunes, and if nothing rare happens he will be well to promote the song in some weeks I also think radio can't keep up with all of the songs by artists that record labels are releasing. It seems like a ton of artists are releasing new singles esp during summer, so maybe radio should be playing new songs only and no old to keep up? I listen to my Hot AC station that repeats Maroon5 or Taylor every other song. So it's nice to know that some stations ARE playing Like I Can, because it would be a big shame if that song flopped, but honestly if a song is truly good, no artist should have to go on a award show to perform it because the song would speak for itself.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 23, 2015 17:52:32 GMT -5
I really like Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran. But they are both overexposed, no doubt due to short term record company greed. I think virtually everyone on this thread actually likes, LIC, the issue many have is the timing. I hope it does well and they haven't blown it for him. What do you really mean when you say overexposed? Ed and Sam had several songs on the radio with big recurrent play, but that's due to the fact that those songs were very successful. In terms of being everywhere i don't think they are as exposed as other artist with less success. In fact they are quite private. There's absolutely nobody more overexposed than Rihanna, she had singles on the pop charts non stop for years, and her private life is everywhere. That never affected her. Oh really...
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Post by jjose712 on May 24, 2015 5:53:53 GMT -5
What do you really mean when you say overexposed? Ed and Sam had several songs on the radio with big recurrent play, but that's due to the fact that those songs were very successful. In terms of being everywhere i don't think they are as exposed as other artist with less success. In fact they are quite private. There's absolutely nobody more overexposed than Rihanna, she had singles on the pop charts non stop for years, and her private life is everywhere. That never affected her. Oh really... Can you explain what you want to say with that?
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Post by jjose712 on May 27, 2015 4:56:07 GMT -5
13 adds on pop 9 adds on hot ac. Not great, but not bad either
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on May 28, 2015 3:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by crazyfun1 on May 28, 2015 8:34:28 GMT -5
It's weird now because the smaller-market station here is playing LIC during the day while the larger-market station isn't playing it at all during the day but twice 'after hours' aka after midnight when no one is listening.
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Post by allow that on May 28, 2015 9:29:10 GMT -5
13 adds on pop 9 adds on hot ac. Not great, but not bad either Including Z100 so that's a major score (though lately Z100's been on an adding but not necessarily playing spree). Thanks Disco! It's not bad but not amazing. It reminds me of the more generic dance remixes that pop hits would get in the early 00's.
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Post by crazyfun1 on May 28, 2015 10:53:17 GMT -5
My Hot AC just played 2 of Sams songs last hour but can't seem to play his new one until after hours. I hate that. I just look at different stations playlists to figure out when they play certain songs.
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Post by divasummer on May 28, 2015 11:37:59 GMT -5
I agree with all the posters that this should have been released before "Lay Me Down". Maybe the John Legend duet was already scheduled for "LMD" and that's why they released it??? They probably thought it may be a guaranteed hit which with John Legend I don't think that's really true. Yes "All For Me" was huge but did a follow up even do anything?
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Post by crazyfun1 on May 28, 2015 12:29:10 GMT -5
All of Me was and is a great sing and I was going to buy Johns cd but then I heard the rest of the songs on it and didn't really like any of them so I just purchaed All of Me from iTunes. If all the songs on it would have been awesome vocally I would have made the purchase.
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Post by theflying on May 28, 2015 16:16:51 GMT -5
Heard this for the first time today and it is inexplicable to me (along with everyone else) why this wasn't the third single.
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Post by crazyfun1 on May 28, 2015 17:19:46 GMT -5
Heard this for the first time today and it is inexplicable to me (along with everyone else) why this wasn't the third single. I'm wondering if the 'people in suits' at his record label are hearing about their bad decision and are worried the LIC will flop ?
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Post by theflying on May 28, 2015 18:04:03 GMT -5
It's just so weird. Latch was a huge hit. La La La did well, he had just released two ballads, Like I Can is a perfectly great song...
Feels like someone overestimated something or his label was living in a bit of a bubble. Literally only Adele got away with releasing something like Lay Me Down. It's literally like they went "Sam is the male Adele, and Lay Me Down will be his Someone Like You!"
Someone Like You was also very different from Rolling in the Deep, and a second single.
Lay Me Down is also everything I love and hate about Sam Smith. The vocals are incredible, of course. But sometimes at his worst, Sam's vulnerability just crosses into whiney, needy, and weak. I find Lay Me Down, minus the stellar vocals, is just so overwrought and dramatic.
I literally need Sam Smith to grow as an artist by moving away from "Lay Me Downs". He would benefit so much more from more subtley (in the WRITING, not the vocals) using his vulnerability strategically.
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