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Post by rsmatto on Sept 30, 2015 12:24:26 GMT -5
Oh gosh this is just why?! I'm not a fan of artists releasing such small project and hearing Hunter Hayes is making this only 7 songs and then to hear it's a mix of live acoustic and studio that's just doesn't seem right. It's more of my opinion but I just prefer hearing a studio recording cause that shows what exactly is the songs influence whether it be pop country R&B or whatever it is acoustic I find it difficult to tell the influence of the song unless it's blatantly obvious (Leave The Night On) He's gotten tremendous support on Spotify with the stuff he's released. I'm not surprised at all that they're releasing this stuff this way. The single is doing OK and up to #26. Releasing EPs or things like this makes a lot of sense these days, especially with album sales (and single sales) declining.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:36:46 GMT -5
Oh gosh this is just why?! I'm not a fan of artists releasing such small project and hearing Hunter Hayes is making this only 7 songs and then to hear it's a mix of live acoustic and studio that's just doesn't seem right. It's more of my opinion but I just prefer hearing a studio recording cause that shows what exactly is the songs influence whether it be pop country R&B or whatever it is acoustic I find it difficult to tell the influence of the song unless it's blatantly obvious (Leave The Night On) He's gotten tremendous support on Spotify with the stuff he's released. I'm not surprised at all that they're releasing this stuff this way. The single is doing OK and up to #26. Releasing EPs or things like this makes a lot of sense these days, especially with album sales (and single sales) declining. Eh I guess I just really like studio albums,
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 30, 2015 19:23:37 GMT -5
My question is how is this upcoming EP the "first" installment? He already released a 6-song 21 EP this year. The idea isn't exactly "bad" but I do think it sounds needlessly messy regardless of how young his demographic is. In the long run, I definitely believe sticking with full-length albums is the way to go.
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Post by Kurt on Sept 30, 2015 19:50:35 GMT -5
Oh - re: Markus Meyer's article, it's a three-disc (but priced like just one), 21-track set with seven tracks in studio, acoustic, and live settings. It includes five of the six EP tracks plus two new ones, "Suitcase" and "I Mean You." track list via Amazon
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 12:21:03 GMT -5
Man I don't think 21 is gonna last much longer. This last week was essentially flat in audience gains and hasn't gained anything in spins in fact he's in the negative now when it comes to his bullet. Also the sales just there awful Hunter Hayes is barely in the Top 100 on Country iTunes he's actually with the exception of Chase Bryant Little Bit Of You is the worst selling song in the Top 30 on iTunes. I think Hunter might hang on for a Top 20 peak but I doubt Hunter is gonna last longer.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 12, 2015 13:07:38 GMT -5
Man I don't think 21 is gonna last much longer. This last week was essentially flat in audience gains and hasn't gained anything in spins in fact he's in the negative now when it comes to his bullet. Also the sales just there awful Hunter Hayes is barely in the Top 100 on Country iTunes he's actually with the exception of Chase Bryant Little Bit Of You is the worst selling song in the Top 30 on iTunes. I think Hunter might hang on for a Top 20 peak but I doubt Hunter is gonna last longer. I wouldn't write it off yet. They're releasing a 3 disc (album) collection based around the song. His fans are likely holding off for that and sales, well, they've actively courted Spotify streaming with the new songs including "21,"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 23:42:03 GMT -5
Can this song just die already! > Gosh no ones buying it (hardly anyone). The song isn't testing well and it's basically stayed in the 23-25 range for like a month now. Can this awful (my opinion btw) pop song please leave, it's taking up spins that can go to other songs *cough* Riser, I Got The Boy and um Burning House. Seriously all Hunter Hayes is doing right now is taking up chart space. Hunter better have one hell of a song because he needs a song to stick and soon and "21" isn't that song. I'm surprised that the label is still bothering with this one.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 15, 2015 19:30:50 GMT -5
It would be ironic if "21" peaked at 21. Should be close on Billboard tomorrow. Nothing could ever be as ironic as Kix Brooks' "New To This Town" peaking at #31 on both MB and Billboard.
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Post by 19waves on Nov 16, 2015 8:38:36 GMT -5
this will be dead before the new year starts. hunter and his team really need stop and regroup to figure out what the heck they're trying to do
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 23, 2015 21:09:58 GMT -5
"21" shouldn't be doing much more as Hunter has lost nearly 1.0 million in audience on MB over the past eight days and 1.2 million over the past two weeks. Since "21" has gone without a bullet on MB the past two weeks, this will go recurrent on November 29th unless Hunter re-bullets, which would be pretty pointless at this stage of the single's chart run and the fact we're so close to year's end.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 23, 2015 21:13:11 GMT -5
Poor Hunter....seems to be releasing the wrong songs. Hasn't had a top 10 since I Want Crazy.
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Post by someguy on Nov 23, 2015 21:18:25 GMT -5
It went recurrent on Billboard tonight. Hunter has quickly gone from promising newcomer to being in serious trouble very quickly. Hopefully he releases something more mature that connects better early in the new year.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 23, 2015 21:20:55 GMT -5
Poor Hunter....seems to be releasing the wrong songs. Hasn't had a top 10 since I Want Crazy. I was a big fan of "I Want Crazy" but his past three singles have been pretty uninteresting, imo. I agree that he and his label have picked the wrong songs for singles and it all started with that horrible decision to make "Invisible" a lead single, with an iHeartMedia deal.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 23, 2015 21:25:29 GMT -5
Poor Hunter....seems to be releasing the wrong songs. Hasn't had a top 10 since I Want Crazy. I was a big fan of "I Want Crazy" but his past three singles have been pretty uninteresting, imo. I agree that he and his label have picked the wrong songs for singles and it all started with that horrible decision to make "Invisible" a lead single, with an iHeartMedia deal. The entire "Storyline" album was a mistake. He needs to go back and dig deep and reinvent himself somehow or he's done for.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 23, 2015 21:29:47 GMT -5
I was a big fan of "I Want Crazy" but his past three singles have been pretty uninteresting, imo. I agree that he and his label have picked the wrong songs for singles and it all started with that horrible decision to make "Invisible" a lead single, with an iHeartMedia deal. The entire "Storyline" album was a mistake. He needs to go back and dig deep and reinvent himself somehow or he's done for. Well, to me they went with "21" because they thought it was a safe enough single for him to get another hit, and even though it was good radio-fodder, it just didn't connect with listeners as Warner/Atlantic would have preferred with pretty lackluster sales and an under-performance at radio. I still think he has time left for him to find himself again since radio is embracing his music, but it's definitely been a rough go for him since "Everybody's Got Somebody But Me."
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Nov 23, 2015 22:08:06 GMT -5
Ha, I called it: 21 peaked at #21.
I think Hunter's problem is that he's too teenybopper. He's 24 but still acting like both he and his fanbase are 14. He strikes me as really mature and thoughtful in interviews, but for the most part, I have yet to see that in his music. Most of his stuff has just been lightweight cotton candy that sails by entirely on his solid musicianship. I would love to see him go back to a Cajun influence, or at least the heavier sound that "Storm Warning" had.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 22:23:46 GMT -5
I think he needs something radio friendly but decently written like I Want Crazy. He desperately needs a hit and badly. However if he continues to release garbage like 21 than I really won't care if Hunter doesn't make a full on recovery and begins to slip permanently off the radar,
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 24, 2015 1:35:23 GMT -5
Sad that this is done already but not totally surprised since it never seemed destined to be that big -- I'll say that a peak just outside Top 20 for this, while nothing to write home about, isn't exactly awful though.
Anyway, I say bring on the Lady Antebellum duet next at the start of the new year! I think that one would make for an excellent single and having Lady A on it certainly wouldn't hurt, especially with them being on hiatus from making music currently (Charles having his own solo single out aside).
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Post by Kat5Kind on Nov 24, 2015 7:54:58 GMT -5
Can Suitcase or I Mean You please be next? Or Saint or a Sinner! It's not Hunter, it's his label.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 8:45:56 GMT -5
Can Suitcase or I Mean You please be next? Or Saint or a Sinner! It's not Hunter, it's his label. You can't really put all the blame on the label. Both Hunter Hayes and the label were promoting this and I imagine both made the decision to release this as the leadoff single. Now obviously Hunter Hayes momentum is shot in both legs and he really needs a hit and soon.
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Post by Kat5Kind on Nov 24, 2015 8:57:06 GMT -5
Can Suitcase or I Mean You please be next? Or Saint or a Sinner! It's not Hunter, it's his label. You can't really put all the blame on the label. Both Hunter Hayes and the label were promoting this and I imagine both made the decision to release this as the leadoff single. Now obviously Hunter Hayes momentum is shot in both legs and he really needs a hit and soon. Oh yes I can. Of course Hunter has to promote it, it's his single lol. Why it's the single when there's a bunch of better choices I'll never understand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 9:00:09 GMT -5
You can't really put all the blame on the label. Both Hunter Hayes and the label were promoting this and I imagine both made the decision to release this as the leadoff single. Now obviously Hunter Hayes momentum is shot in both legs and he really needs a hit and soon. Oh yes I can. Of course Hunter has to promote it, it's his single lol. Why it's the single when there's a bunch of better choices I'll never understand. Hunter chose it as well. So he's just as responsible for it as the label.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 24, 2015 12:33:12 GMT -5
Oh yes I can. Of course Hunter has to promote it, it's his single lol. Why it's the single when there's a bunch of better choices I'll never understand. Hunter chose it as well. So he's just as responsible for it as the label. Yeah, you don't actually know this unless he explicitly said something about it. Labels pick singles against the wishes of the artist all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 12:52:54 GMT -5
Hunter chose it as well. So he's just as responsible for it as the label. Yeah, you don't actually know this unless he explicitly said something about it. Labels pick singles against the wishes of the artist all the time. But then why didn't Hunter backout of it than. He promoted it as well. Also if Hunter had a problem with it why didn't he just part ways with the label. Oh right $$$$$$.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 24, 2015 13:05:04 GMT -5
Yeah, you don't actually know this unless he explicitly said something about it. Labels pick singles against the wishes of the artist all the time. But then why didn't Hunter backout of it than. He promoted it as well. Also if Hunter had a problem with it why didn't he just part ways with the label. Oh right $$$$$$. Why the hell would he leave a major record deal because they decided to put out "21" as a single? What kind of garbage argument to imply that he should've refused to promote his own damn single and just walked out the door if he didn't 100% agree with it as a single... there's only so much he can do anyway; most of the promo work falls beyond his control by the people working singles to radio. I'm also not saying that he adamantly disagreed with the release of "21," either, just that the label was probably the one that decided on it ultimately, but Hunter was probably fine with it. Also, at the end of the day, even though this didn't connect, I would completely disagree that this was a poor choice for radio anyway. I definitely think this was pretty radio-friendly and sounded like a solid choice to me. Maybe not his strongest option, but this was far from being a total miss.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 13:11:27 GMT -5
But then why didn't Hunter backout of it than. He promoted it as well. Also if Hunter had a problem with it why didn't he just part ways with the label. Oh right $$$$$$. Why the hell would he leave a major record deal because they decided to put out "21" as a single? What kind of garbage argument to imply that he should've refused to promote his own damn single and just walked out the door if he didn't 100% agree with it as a single... there's only so much he can do anyway; most of the promo work falls beyond his control by the people working singles to radio. I'm also not saying that he adamantly disagreed with the release of "21," either, just that the label was probably the one that decided on it ultimately, but Hunter was probably fine with it. Also, at the end of the day, even though this didn't connect, I would completely disagree that this was a poor choice for radio anyway. I definitely think this was pretty radio-friendly and sounded like a solid choice to me. Maybe not his strongest option, but this was far from being a total miss. At the end of the day I blame both the artist and label equally as in my opinion they are both to blame. Also you can have the most radio friendly non country song ever AKA 21 but at the end of the day it's a poor choice cause it didn't help Hunter and really did nothing but release a 7-song EP. Hunter needs to just spend 2016 completely off and then maybe the intrest for his music might be increased and he should do better.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 24, 2015 13:21:56 GMT -5
Some artists have input on single selections...but the final say is always the label's call. There's too much money and resources at hand.
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Post by Kat5Kind on Nov 24, 2015 13:23:23 GMT -5
I'd rather he actually tour in 2016 to keep his name out there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 13:36:35 GMT -5
I'd rather he actually tour in 2016 to keep his name out there. I think he should tour to a point. But it's clear his momentum is down so I would also try and record more new music in 2016 than release a song in early 2017. Just take a year off and I think Hunter will be fine.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 24, 2015 14:51:05 GMT -5
More time off from radio is not going to help Hunter at this point. He needs something to stick at radio soon, and leaving a year gap between this single and whatever he releases next is absolutely the wrong move to make.
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