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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 6:58:50 GMT -5
I apologize in advance, but you guys gotta put your big boy pants on. Marv wasn't bashing FGL, he was simply examining the most recent radio trends which oddly coincided with an explosion in the format of a specific duo that bridged the gap between pop and country, opening the door for many pop trends (both musically and commercially) to impose themselves upon this genre. I hate to be the one to break this to you but the door between country and pop has ALWAYS been open. The only thing that has changed is what the pop music was at the time. Fifties orchestrated sounds, blues, rock and roll, folk rock, disco, R&B, hard rock, faux Celtic, whatever. Now the PPP music is hip hop, which doesn't sit well with many, but what do you think some people thought about alabama's song "Take Me Down"? Which I love btw. I agree absolutely that the door has always been open. The difference is (and the same is true for comparisons about anything spanning time periods, which people so conveniently tend to forget when discussing politics) now we are subject to a broader range of availability. Social media, blogs, websites, streaming, instant downloads, and the like have all made the line blur. Do you think back in the day Thomas Rhett would have gotten away with making a CD with a mismatch of sounds? I'm talking back when you had to get in your car and drive to the record store and pick up a copy. You couldn't just buy a "single" for a buck on iTunes or add it to your playlist and stream it 30 times a day with your teenage friends as you paint your nails. The times have changed, and with the developing technology--coupled with the devil bringing the taste of money to the genre--the door isn't so much open anymore; it's been bulldozed and set ablaze. |
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 2, 2015 7:31:35 GMT -5
I hate to be the one to break this to you but the door between country and pop has ALWAYS been open. The only thing that has changed is what the pop music was at the time. Fifties orchestrated sounds, blues, rock and roll, folk rock, disco, R&B, hard rock, faux Celtic, whatever. Now the PPP music is hip hop, which doesn't sit well with many, but what do you think some people thought about alabama's song "Take Me Down"? Which I love btw. I agree absolutely that the door has always been open. The difference is (and the same is true for comparisons about anything spanning time periods, which people so conveniently tend to forget when discussing politics) now we are subject to a broader range of availability. Social media, blogs, websites, streaming, instant downloads, and the like have all made the line blur. Do you think back in the day Thomas Rhett would have gotten away with making a CD with a mismatch of sounds? I'm talking back when you had to get in your car and drive to the record store and pick up a copy. You couldn't just buy a "single" for a buck on iTunes or add it to your playlist and stream it 30 times a day with your teenage friends as you paint your nails. The times have changed, and with the developing technology--coupled with the devil bringing the taste of money to the genre--the door isn't so much open anymore; it's been bulldozed and set ablaze. Well if we are getting historical here, you don't have to go back that far (less than 50 years) to before the emergence of radio formats. Please discuss the concepts of genres and doors in that context. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 8:17:04 GMT -5
Well if we are getting historical here, you don't have to go back that far (less than 50 years) to before the emergence of radio formats. Please discuss the concepts of genres and doors in that context. Sure, no problem. Back before there were legitimate radio formats which required music to be hard-split into genres, I imagine most people had an inherent understanding of the sounds of music. If I'm a jazz band up on stage and I play 6 jazz songs and then for the 7th song we just start screaming at the top of our lungs and banging on anything metal we can find, before returning to 5 more jazz songs to finish our set, I guarantee you those watching wouldn't just shrug it off. They'd look at each other and say, "what the hell was that?" A similar response would be elicited if a song like "Break Up in a Small Town" was played 10 years ago surrounded by the likes of George Strait, Alan Jackson, Martina McBride, Kenny Chesney, and Lee Ann Womack. People listening would look to their neighbor and say, "what the hell was that?" I'm sure back before there was a radio that necessitated genres, people used their common sense (how we should all long for those days) to determine what musical sounds should be accompanying one another. Nobody back then walked around in circles cross-eyed looking up at the sky making up excuses for how a song is a country song because it has "three-part harmony" as they sucked the fingernail clear off their thumb. |
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 2, 2015 11:32:59 GMT -5
In 1975, author Paul Hemphill stated in the Saturday Evening Post, "Country music isn't really country anymore; it is a hybrid of nearly every form of popular music in America."[55]
Not exactly a new concept.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 11:55:55 GMT -5
In 1975, author Paul Hemphill stated in the Saturday Evening Post, "Country music isn't really country anymore; it is a hybrid of nearly every form of popular music in America."[55] Not exactly a new concept. Of course it's not. That's what makes country music great. It takes the best aspects from everything and makes them better. The difference between now and 1975 (which I explained two posts ago) is that now artists are given the opportunity, means, and rationalization to completely abandon that idea all together. No longer are they making "hybrid" songs, they're just making pop and R&B songs and taking advantage of country radio's loose interpretation (or non-existent backbone) of what constitutes an acceptable playlist. Going back to Marv's original point, I don't think he was bashing FGL nor was he debating "what is country" and what isn't. In examining why a song like "JJJ316" misses the top while generic copycats have no problem marching up with ease, he was noting a rapid decline in the quality of music over the past three years that has eerily coincided with the breakout of certain new format superstars, the meteoric rise of streaming services and digital sales outlets, and the "old" idea of the genre being a hybrid. |
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 2, 2015 15:52:35 GMT -5
I'm a bit worried now with people starting to have these newfangled Victrolas in their homes, they'll be able to buy and listen to whatever music they want instead of listening to the radio. I predict the quality of the music to drop precipitously.
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Post by myeverything on Oct 2, 2015 20:03:46 GMT -5
Well first of all, I can guarantee you that more people than "just Pulse posters" are VERY upset over the outcome of this song. And while I don't work for Capitol nor am related to Keith, I all but have lost sleep over this situation. Some will say that he's got 19 #1's and some will not. I'm in favor of anything and everything that makes things official, and without the BB apparently it doesn't. That was one of Keith's fastest rising single in years, there was so much hype about it (there still is) and it had a very strong chart run all the way up to the Top 3...before all the shenanigans started. It's sold very well for a Keith song and I think it'll still be considered one of the biggest songs of the year.
So say anything you want, but it really does pain me. I just cannot fathom why Chesney's label felt the need to do that, new CEO or not. They got the point across when they shot the song up from 4 to 1. That doesn't mean that they had to do what they did. Not to mention, Kenny's suppose to and always has been a real close friend of Keith's. You'd think he could have told them to loosen the reins a bit. I know for a fact that if the tables were turned, Keith would have done that for him. Greed is a really ugly thing. I don't get why the good guys ALWAYS finish last. Keith actually plays by the rules. He doesn't get these fabricated spins and chart runs, his chart runs are natural and his singles are legitimately that good. And I get that y'all really want to see changes in the charts and of course, I do too..this everybody gets a turn at the top thing is getting incredibly old, but NOT when its Keith's turn at the top for the reasons that I already named (and more). The whole thing just still really pisses me off.
Well I fully believe in Karma and we'll see what happens with the next chart run. I don't know how I can possibly root for a Keith single more than I have with every other one over the last decade or so, but boy you better be sure that I'll find a way to. He deserves so much better than that. So here's to the next single and that it goes ALL the way to the top...oh, and stays there long enough without any phony greedy CEO's putting a stop to it.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 2, 2015 20:11:30 GMT -5
I rather not see labels play nice. It's a business. Sony wasn't obligated to do anything. I know a lot of people adored this song but it really comes off sour. I understand that people have the right to not call this a #1 but man; I guarantee that Keith and Capitol are not losing sleep over this.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 2, 2015 20:16:16 GMT -5
I rather not see labels play nice. It's a business. Sony wasn't obligated to do anything. I know a lot of people adored this song but it really comes off sour. I understand that people have the right to not call this a #1 but man; I guarantee that Keith and Capitol are not losing sleep over this. Yes, this. Artists and labels would much rather have a song like this that sells amazing and will be remembered for years, rather than a song that may go to #1 on both charts but will be forgoten about by next summer. Fans probably should feel the same way. |
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Post by lyhom on Oct 2, 2015 20:34:02 GMT -5
Well first of all, I can guarantee you that more people than "just Pulse posters" are VERY upset over the outcome of this song. And while I don't work for Capitol nor am related to Keith, I all but have lost sleep over this situation. Some will say that he's got 19 #1's and some will not. I'm in favor of anything and everything that makes things official, and without the BB apparently it doesn't. That was one of Keith's fastest rising single in years, there was so much hype about it (there still is) and it had a very strong chart run all the way up to the Top 3...before all the shenanigans started. It's sold very well for a Keith song and I think it'll still be considered one of the biggest songs of the year. So say anything you want, but it really does pain me. I just cannot fathom why Chesney's label felt the need to do that, new CEO or not. They got the point across when they shot the song up from 4 to 1. That doesn't mean that they had to do what they did. Not to mention, Kenny's suppose to and always has been a real close friend of Keith's. You'd think he could have told them to loosen the reins a bit. I know for a fact that if the tables were turned, Keith would have done that for him. Greed is a really ugly thing. I don't get why the good guys ALWAYS finish last. Keith actually plays by the rules. He doesn't get these fabricated spins and chart runs, his chart runs are natural and his singles are legitimately that good. And I get that y'all really want to see changes in the charts and of course, I do too..this everybody gets a turn at the top thing is getting incredibly old, but NOT when its Keith's turn at the top for the reasons that I already named (and more). The whole thing just still really pisses me off. Well I fully believe in Karma and we'll see what happens with the next chart run. I don't know how I can possibly root for a Keith single more than I have with every other one over the last decade or so, but boy you better be sure that I'll find a way to. He deserves so much better than that. So here's to the next single and that it goes ALL the way to the top...oh, and stays there long enough without any phony greedy CEO's putting a stop to it. I hate to sound judgmental, but don't you think you're acting just a little like a sore loser? like I might get it if it peaked at the 40s or something, but it only got blocked on the billboard chart... it still went #1 on mediabase, and if you trust the "mongrel" chart (or the hot 100), this has been much more popular in general than kenny's song. |
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Post by myeverything on Oct 2, 2015 20:54:57 GMT -5
I said "say what you want" and I knew I'd get remmed for the post, which is fine..but no, I don't think I'm acting like a sore loser at all. I wish I could say it's not a game but it's seeming more and more that's all it is these days. If it peaked in the 40's, I actually think it would be totally different. I think the thing that gets me the most is the fact that everyone thought it was all but in the bag and that it literally missed it by 3-5 SPINS! Like 64k? That is NOTHING!! That definitely bugs me more than let's say he peaked at #5 and/or naturally wasn't heading to the top...
I tend to get a little defensive and passionate over Mr. Urban... if y'all haven't noticed by now, lol! But no shame, really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 21:00:23 GMT -5
I said "say what you want" and I knew I'd get remmed for the post, which is fine..but no, I don't think I'm acting like a sore loser at all. I wish I could say it's not a game but it's seeming more and more that's all it is these days. If it peaked in the 40's, I actually think it would be totally different. I think the thing that gets me the most is the fact that everyone thought it was all but in the bag and that it literally missed it by 3-5 SPINS! Like 64k? That is NOTHING!! That definitely bugs me more than let's say he peaked at #5 and/or naturally wasn't heading to the top... I tend to get a little defense and passionate over Mr Urban, if y'all haven't noticed by now, lol!! But no shame, really. Your not being a sore loser but it's like just calm down about it. Besides you can still count it as a number #1 on Country Indicator and Mediabase just couldn't pull off a full sweep is all. This will still be remembered. Also it's one thing to be passionate but I mean come on this amount of passion is kinda scary I'm not going to lie. |
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Post by leilamaurizia on Oct 2, 2015 21:07:09 GMT -5
Well first of all, I can guarantee you that more people than "just Pulse posters" are VERY upset over the outcome of this song. And while I don't work for Capitol nor am related to Keith, I all but have lost sleep over this situation. Some will say that he's got 19 #1's and some will not. I'm in favor of anything and everything that makes things official, and without the BB apparently it doesn't. That was one of Keith's fastest rising single in years, there was so much hype about it (there still is) and it had a very strong chart run all the way up to the Top 3...before all the shenanigans started. It's sold very well for a Keith song and I think it'll still be considered one of the biggest songs of the year. I say go ahead and feel what you feel and don't let others dictate how you should or shouldn't feel about it. It's hard enough to get a legitimate hit nowadays and even more so for those who are veterans in the business and yes, I do consider this song a huge hit especially since I tend to pay more attention to sales than airplay. It just plain sucks that this missed the BB #1 by just 64,000, the equivalent of a few spins. So damn close. As someone who has felt the same thing before whenever my fave's single got shanked, it does get better. You'll live to fight another day, chart-wise. |
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 2, 2015 22:03:32 GMT -5
I said "say what you want" and I knew I'd get remmed for the post, which is fine..but no, I don't think I'm acting like a sore loser at all. I wish I could say it's not a game but it's seeming more and more that's all it is these days. If it peaked in the 40's, I actually think it would be totally different. I think the thing that gets me the most is the fact that everyone thought it was all but in the bag and that it literally missed it by 3-5 SPINS! Like 64k? That is NOTHING!! That definitely bugs me more than let's say he peaked at #5 and/or naturally wasn't heading to the top... I tend to get a little defense and passionate over Mr Urban, if y'all haven't noticed by now, lol!! But no shame, really. Your not being a sore loser but it's like just calm down about it. Besides you can still count it as a number #1 on Country Indicator and Mediabase just couldn't pull off a full sweep is all. This will still be remembered. Also it's one thing to be passionate but I mean come on this amount of passion is kinda scary I'm not going to lie. I predict that this will be remembered for a year. Maybe two. I think this thread is very interesting. You have a song here that is not country. Not anything about it. It's completely electronic except Keith's guitar and vocals. It references a rock singer (although from the Heartland). None of the lyrical references are country, with the exception of kristofferson. I don't really like this song that much. I like Kennys song a lot. His song is much more country by conventional standards. Now, Here I am arguing with people about why purity of genre is not important nor something that has ever even really existed. What's wrong with this picture? |
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 2, 2015 22:07:47 GMT -5
It seems to me that there are a lot of people who seem to be more concerned about the machinations of the charts than the substance of the songs. I have said before that I'm not a chart junkie. I think I am becoming less so. Particularly when I see people talk about how they can't listen to terrestrial radio anymore because certain artists are "destroying the genre" I wonder, why do they care so much about the charts? And then they defend an obviously non country song because the charts didn't work out. Waaah waaaah.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 2, 2015 22:37:31 GMT -5
It seems to me that there are a lot of people who seem to be more concerned about the machinations of the charts than the substance of the songs. I would suggest that your impression has a lot to do with your being a newcomer to the board and a latecomer to this thread. The early part of this thread was dominated by discussion of the substance of the song. As the song hit its chart peak (after months of posters having the opportunity to weigh in on the song itself), it was natural that conversation would turn to the machinations of the chart. I wonder, why do they care so much about the charts? Because, for better or worse, the charts reflect the music getting mass exposure under the name "country." Only natural to root for the music one prefers to be getting maximum mass exposure, though of course, that isn't equally important to everyone, especially in a year when so much country music that doesn't get country radio exposure is selling as well if not better than music that is getting country radio exposure, and when several of country's biggest hits by metrics like sales, buzz and acclaim have missed out on #1 peaks at country radio. This is also a good moment to post a reminder about the Pulse Country Forum Rules & Guidelines. Of particular relevance right now, the fact that our discussions are supposed to be about music and the charts, not about our fellow posters: |
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Post by bksouthga on Oct 2, 2015 22:51:35 GMT -5
If I am understanding this correctly, it sounds like one has to follow the forum rules if one is not a platinum member.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 2, 2015 23:00:51 GMT -5
If I am understanding this correctly, it sounds like one has to follow the forum rules if one is not a platinum member. No, the rules apply to all members, and the reminder was appropriate in light of several recent posts in this thread, from multiple posters. If you have additional questions about the rules, please feel free to PM me or another staff member so that we don't take this or any other thread any further off-topic. |
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Post by matty005 on Oct 2, 2015 23:03:04 GMT -5
If I am understanding this correctly, it sounds like one has to follow the forum rules if one is not a platinum member. In the Eli Young Band thread, there were multiple occasions of various members only talking about another user and nothing at all about the song. Now, I understand why things were said to this user and I agree with the posters who made the comments, but if you are going to be strict with rules and call out certain members publicly, you should do so across the board and not pick and choose who you lay the law down with. |
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 2, 2015 23:23:41 GMT -5
If I am understanding this correctly, it sounds like one has to follow the forum rules if one is not a platinum member. In the Eli Young Band thread, there were multiple occasions of various members only talking about another user and nothing at all about the song. Now, I understand why things were said to this user and I agree with the posters who made the comments, but if you are going to be strict with rules and call out certain members publicly, you should do so across the board and not pick and choose who you lay the law down with. If this was intended to be addressed to staff, in cases where a staffer feels like a line is being approached but perhaps not fully crossed, a public reminder to dial it back is intended as a nudge to avoid a situation where more formal staff response is required. As for the EYB thread, the issue there is being dealt with through the "report" system, which is something I'll note there in a moment. |
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 3, 2015 1:02:09 GMT -5
Well first of all, I can guarantee you that more people than "just Pulse posters" are VERY upset over the outcome of this song. And while I don't work for Capitol nor am related to Keith, I all but have lost sleep over this situation. Some will say that he's got 19 #1's and some will not. I'm in favor of anything and everything that makes things official, and without the BB apparently it doesn't. That was one of Keith's fastest rising single in years, there was so much hype about it (there still is) and it had a very strong chart run all the way up to the Top 3...before all the shenanigans started. It's sold very well for a Keith song and I think it'll still be considered one of the biggest songs of the year. So say anything you want, but it really does pain me. I just cannot fathom why Chesney's label felt the need to do that, new CEO or not. They got the point across when they shot the song up from 4 to 1. That doesn't mean that they had to do what they did. Not to mention, Kenny's suppose to and always has been a real close friend of Keith's. You'd think he could have told them to loosen the reins a bit. I know for a fact that if the tables were turned, Keith would have done that for him. Greed is a really ugly thing. I don't get why the good guys ALWAYS finish last. Keith actually plays by the rules. He doesn't get these fabricated spins and chart runs, his chart runs are natural and his singles are legitimately that good. And I get that y'all really want to see changes in the charts and of course, I do too..this everybody gets a turn at the top thing is getting incredibly old, but NOT when its Keith's turn at the top for the reasons that I already named (and more). The whole thing just still really pisses me off. Well I fully believe in Karma and we'll see what happens with the next chart run. I don't know how I can possibly root for a Keith single more than I have with every other one over the last decade or so, but boy you better be sure that I'll find a way to. He deserves so much better than that. So here's to the next single and that it goes ALL the way to the top...oh, and stays there long enough without any phony greedy CEO's putting a stop to it. The good guy always finishes last? Keith has finished first a bazillion times. So have plenty of other nice guys and gals, and honestly one of the reasons I like Country music is because most artists do seem nice and down to earth. You're making it seem as if Kenny is a bloodsucking chart vampire or something, but I guarantee he had zero say in his chart run. He doesn't bother with any of that, it's his label. There's no reason to think Kenny is not a good guy because of this lol Heck Kenny's biggest hit got blocked from #1, with "I Go Back", so honestly Keith and Kenny have a lot in common. |
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Post by bboat11 on Oct 3, 2015 2:23:54 GMT -5
I see a lot of complaining about this song not reaching the top spot on Billboard. But for years I have also seen lots of complaining about the fact that way too many songs hit #1 these days. The way I see it, we can't have it both ways. For someone to believe both of those complaints, they would have to be thinking along the lines of, "Certainly less people should make it to #1, but that doesn't mean KEITH should be the one to miss out!"
Keith has a huge hit on his hands here. He is also generally well-liked both as an artist and as a person. But if people truly want there to be less of a revolving door at the top of the charts, then there should be no reason whatsoever why this song or Keith should be exempt from missing out. I imagine if this happened to Jason or FGL there would be a lot less complaining, and that is simply not fair.
Of course it is totally natural to be disappointed when one's favorite artist misses the top when they truly deserve it. But Keith is not the first victim of such circumstances. Look at "I Go Back". Look at "Run". Look at "My Baby Loves Me". All were huge hits that deserved the top, and probably would have hit it if it were not for unfortunate timing.
Now, if we truly want the revolving door system to go away so that we see more multi-week #1s, we have to understand that situations like this are going to happen much more often. Maybe next time it will be to Blake, FGL, or maybe even Luke. This time, it was Keith. However, this song will still be advertised as (and remembered as) a #1 hit by the vast majority of people because it made it there on literally every airplay chart except one, and his next single will probably have a decent chance of hitting #1 on Billboard because he has quite a bit of momentum right now. This song has continued his momentum and guaranteed that he still has a fighting chance at hitting #1 with his next single, or maybe even next several singles. That's certainly a positive outcome, even if it missed #1 on one chart!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 3:15:53 GMT -5
The problem is, we want to see an end to the revolving door because it reflects label manipulation in contrast to the "natural order" that we see on other formats' charts. When the only time a song misses #1 is when label manipulation pushes a song that is naturally less of a radio hit (SIFARD) ahead of a naturally big radio hit (JJJ), it defeats the purpose of not having a revolving door.
In addition, I feel like Keith could've pushed for #1 a week sooner and not been blocked by Kenny, but as we've seen recently, Universal and Warner have a very friendly relationship when it comes to airplay charts and Capitol likely chose to play nice and concede the #1 to Chris Janson that week. Of course, it was a pointless effort as Chris didn't get the #1 anyway, but on a natural chart Keith probably would've been #1 the past two weeks, and Kenny would be #1 this week and maybe next week.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 3, 2015 6:12:16 GMT -5
The problem is, we want to see an end to the revolving door because it reflects label manipulation in contrast to the "natural order" that we see on other formats' charts. When the only time a song misses #1 is when label manipulation pushes a song that is naturally less of a radio hit (SIFARD) ahead of a naturally big radio hit (JJJ), it defeats the purpose of not having a revolving door. In addition, I feel like Keith could've pushed for #1 a week sooner and not been blocked by Kenny, but as we've seen recently, Universal and Warner have a very friendly relationship when it comes to airplay charts and Capitol likely chose to play nice and concede the #1 to Chris Janson that week. Of course, it was a pointless effort as Chris didn't get the #1 anyway, but on a natural chart Keith probably would've been #1 the past two weeks, and Kenny would be #1 this week and maybe next week. You're stating that as a fact when I think it is VERY debatable. |
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 3, 2015 12:46:32 GMT -5
Let's not make it seem like "Save It For A Rainy Day" was "Love You Like That", where it really had no business being a #1 single. Yes, Keith's was a more natural big hit as proof from its Indicator chart run, but having followed the charts for years, sometimes a naturally big hit gets short changed (it was only by 64k in audience). "Save It For A Rainy Day" was one of the biggest hits of the year in its own right. I'm actually quite flabbergasted that there's this much vitriol on JJJ missing the Billboard #1. I mean, I knew many would be upset but it's been five days and this discussion is still raging.
We've seen labels play the chart game like a violin the past few years. The "game" they played always included a collusion type system where they agreed to play nice with each other and allow (most of the time) themselves to take turns at #1. They're all in the same business and many of them are friends away from work. That's a part of the industry many of us have expressed disgust over. However, when Sony decides to "not" play that game and get every bit of potential out of "Save It For A Rainy Day", then there's some bitterness. I agree that Capitol (and Warner for that matter) were not expecting a few weeks back for Sony to go all out but in my mind, that's on them, not Sony. It's not like I'm a Sony defender here, because I'm not, but this is how the charts played out more often 10-15 years ago. Sometimes big (natural) hits got screwed from other big hits, combined with bad timing. Labels have gotten into a routine nowadays with the revolving door (at Billboard, along with MB -- although it's a much bigger problem at MB), so I'm not upset at all that Sony decided to get as many weeks at #1 as possible. I still think that the song itself ("John Cougar, John Deere, John 3:16") is the catalyst for why so many are angered by this. I'm still supremely confident that Capitol and Keith are over it by now and have moved on since Keith has had so many #1's on both charts, that he and his label do not care about missing the Billboard #1 by 64k in audience. They're peachy right now. Life will continue.
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Post by myeverything on Oct 3, 2015 20:30:22 GMT -5
I see a lot of complaining about this song not reaching the top spot on Billboard. But for years I have also seen lots of complaining about the fact that way too many songs hit #1 these days. The way I see it, we can't have it both ways. For someone to believe both of those complaints, they would have to be thinking along the lines of, "Certainly less people should make it to #1, but that doesn't mean KEITH should be the one to miss out!" The discussion is still raging because I had to wait 3 days to respond at all before I really said something I shouldn't have. Yes, I know life will continue. And yes, a lot of the time Keith does indeed finish last. He gets the short end of the stick (so to speak) in so many situations and it's just frankly not fair. So again, yes, in a way I'm literally all but saying "Certainly less people should make it to #1, but that doesn't mean KEITH should be the one to miss out!" And his song IS the catalyst as to why some are angered. What makes Chesney's song a "more country song?" and again, how and why does that even matter? And to the statement about Blake, Luke, Jason or FGL missing the top...well let's just see when that happens next....for any of them, ha. I know many of y'all devote so much time into studying the charts. I've been following and learning as much as I can regarding them over the last 5 years or so too, because I find it interesting, exciting, addicting, etc. like everyone else. But at the end of the day, I'm first and foremost and have always been a fan. A fan of music, specifically country music... and even more so, a fan of Keith Urban..a VERY big one at that. So while y'all are discussing things from more of a business standpoint (which I'm all about too - no doubt) just please remember that there are indeed really big fans here as well. I'm almost feeling like I need to apologize for that which shouldn't be, but it is what it is. |
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Post by matty005 on Oct 3, 2015 20:38:22 GMT -5
I see a lot of complaining about this song not reaching the top spot on Billboard. But for years I have also seen lots of complaining about the fact that way too many songs hit #1 these days. The way I see it, we can't have it both ways. For someone to believe both of those complaints, they would have to be thinking along the lines of, "Certainly less people should make it to #1, but that doesn't mean KEITH should be the one to miss out!" The discussion is still raging because I had to wait 3 days to respond at all before I really said something I shouldn't have. Yes, I know life will continue. And yes, a lot of the time Keith does indeed finish last. He gets the short end of the stick (so to speak) in so many situations and it's just frankly not fair. So again, yes, in a way I'm literally all but saying "Certainly less people should make it to #1, but that doesn't mean KEITH should be the one to miss out!" And his song IS the catalyst as to why some are angered. What makes Chesney's song a "more country song?" and again, how and why does that even matter? And to the statement about Blake, Luke, Jason or FGL missing the top...well let's just see when that happens next....for any of them, ha. I know many of y'all devote so much time into studying the charts. I've been following and learning as much as I can regarding them over the last 5 years or so too, because I find it interesting, exciting, addicting, etc. like everyone else. But at the end of the day, I'm first and foremost and have always been a fan. A fan of music, specifically country music... and even more so, a fan of Keith Urban..a VERY big one at that. So while y'all are discussing things from more of a business standpoint (which I'm all about too - no doubt) just please remember that there are indeed really big fans here as well. I'm almost feeling like I need to apologize for that which shouldn't be, but it is what it is. For real, stop. He is a millionaire, with a gorgeous wife, two beautiful, healthy children, an amazing career in music which happens to be his passion in life. I won't for one second feel like he finished, "last" because this song was "only" a number one on MediaBase. |
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 3, 2015 21:28:53 GMT -5
The discussion is still raging because I had to wait 3 days to respond at all before I really said something I shouldn't have. Yes, I know life will continue. And yes, a lot of the time Keith does indeed finish last. He gets the short end of the stick (so to speak) in so many situations and it's just frankly not fair. So again, yes, in a way I'm literally all but saying "Certainly less people should make it to #1, but that doesn't mean KEITH should be the one to miss out!" And his song IS the catalyst as to why some are angered. What makes Chesney's song a "more country song?" and again, how and why does that even matter? And to the statement about Blake, Luke, Jason or FGL missing the top...well let's just see when that happens next....for any of them, ha. I know many of y'all devote so much time into studying the charts. I've been following and learning as much as I can regarding them over the last 5 years or so too, because I find it interesting, exciting, addicting, etc. like everyone else. But at the end of the day, I'm first and foremost and have always been a fan. A fan of music, specifically country music... and even more so, a fan of Keith Urban..a VERY big one at that. So while y'all are discussing things from more of a business standpoint (which I'm all about too - no doubt) just please remember that there are indeed really big fans here as well. I'm almost feeling like I need to apologize for that which shouldn't be, but it is what it is. For real, stop. He is a millionaire, with a gorgeous wife, two beautiful, healthy children, an amazing career in music which happens to be his passion in life. I won't for one second feel like he finished, "last" because this song was "only" a number one on MediaBase. Not to mention he has one of the longest careers going by any current mainstream core artist and has had MANY of the biggest hits the genre has produced the past 15 years lol Throw in his gig with American Idol, constant great touring ticket sales, and I don't know if you can find too many more consistent artists. He's easily one of the biggest format stars of the past 15 years. If he's finishing last, I can't imagine the success of whomever is in first place. |
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Post by bboat11 on Oct 3, 2015 22:07:37 GMT -5
I see a lot of complaining about this song not reaching the top spot on Billboard. But for years I have also seen lots of complaining about the fact that way too many songs hit #1 these days. The way I see it, we can't have it both ways. For someone to believe both of those complaints, they would have to be thinking along the lines of, "Certainly less people should make it to #1, but that doesn't mean KEITH should be the one to miss out!" The discussion is still raging because I had to wait 3 days to respond at all before I really said something I shouldn't have. Yes, I know life will continue. And yes, a lot of the time Keith does indeed finish last. He gets the short end of the stick (so to speak) in so many situations and it's just frankly not fair. So again, yes, in a way I'm literally all but saying "Certainly less people should make it to #1, but that doesn't mean KEITH should be the one to miss out!" And his song IS the catalyst as to why some are angered. What makes Chesney's song a "more country song?" and again, how and why does that even matter? And to the statement about Blake, Luke, Jason or FGL missing the top...well let's just see when that happens next....for any of them, ha. I know many of y'all devote so much time into studying the charts. I've been following and learning as much as I can regarding them over the last 5 years or so too, because I find it interesting, exciting, addicting, etc. like everyone else. But at the end of the day, I'm first and foremost and have always been a fan. A fan of music, specifically country music... and even more so, a fan of Keith Urban..a VERY big one at that. So while y'all are discussing things from more of a business standpoint (which I'm all about too - no doubt) just please remember that there are indeed really big fans here as well. I'm almost feeling like I need to apologize for that which shouldn't be, but it is what it is. Hey, you should never feel bad about being a fan around here :) We are all that way about someone! As long as we all try to stay objective in our discussions of our favorite artists, it is totally okay to root for them as much as we want! However, the fact remains that this was a wildly successful hit for Keith. It did not flop, and peaking at #1 on Mediabase and #2 on Billboard airplay is nowhere close to finishing last. So I hope you can find something to celebrate about the outcome of this song's chart run, because it has definitely done much more to help Keith's career than it has to hurt him! I look forward to seeing how well he can do with his next single! Because I think he is in a really good place right now. |
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Post by urbangirl13 on Oct 4, 2015 9:56:36 GMT -5
I'm almost afraid to stick my toe into this discussion. I am a posting friend of myeverythingku on another site. What she is most upset about is that on our other site, we only follow BB and track KU's historical legacy. In that regard, since BB results are the results in the record book, he still only has 18 #1 hits. Yes, JJJ is a big hit, and yes he's having an amazing career, and yes, he has a wonderful family and is a very fortunate guy, but he still has only 18 #1 hits when JJJ was supposed to make it 19. That's the bitter pill we fans on our other site are getting used to the taste of. We will get over it and will follow his next single in the hopes that it will be #19. I don't know if I'll come back to this thread to see how all of you will rake my post over the coals, but have at it!
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