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Post by Marv on Aug 19, 2015 1:32:10 GMT -5
Definitely not a sliver of anything country in this; whomever mentioned the Swedish superstar duet Roxette nailed it.
It sounds like a pop anthem on steroids, somewhat reminiscent of 1989's 'Toy Soldiers' by Martika, and I also expect this to do quite well, even if it doesn't peak until January or later.
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Post by sbp17 on Aug 19, 2015 3:21:28 GMT -5
Yeah, Kimberly better grow thick skin quick if she's already getting defensive from negative tweets after just a day or two on twitter. Can someone point me to how far into the song we hear the mandolins? I replayed on youtube a couple of times and can't hear them.
Speaking of youtube, the comments are not too favorable...and not in the hater kind of way (though those exist too). A lot of them seem to be from fans who are quite taken aback by the sonic shift.
Like I said earlier, I like the song. It just feels more like a loss of identity to me rather than musical growth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 3:34:49 GMT -5
This song is pop there's no beating around the bush. I mean I get why Kimberly was mad at the tweet but sometimes it's better to just bite your tongue and ignore.
The more I hear this song the more I believe country music is going on the fritz I mean how many more pop songs are we gonna have to deal with in this genre.
Also I just don't see this crossing over to pop. It's just The Band Perry doesn't have quite the starpower that Taylor Swift had. They've always came as a group that gets the hits but doesn't stand out which is why I don't see them getting any Group Vocalist since LBT and ZBB are probably always gonna be in the way
One last thing can The Band Perry just quit with this new look cause we get it Borchetta you want them to crossover to pop.
I really hope The Band Perry realize that this sound isn't country but well I am starting to give up on country music.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Aug 19, 2015 4:52:31 GMT -5
Kimberly is beautiful and has a very unique voice but just stop with the dancing. She could not look more clank and uncomfortable if she tried. She does pull it off in the video because it's more subtle but when she tries to "break it down" I just cringe.
As for the song.....ehhhh, I figured this was coming. I figure within the next few album cycles her brothers will leave "to explore other options" and she will be a solo pop artist.
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Post by jesster on Aug 19, 2015 6:48:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure exactly how old she is but my impression is that she's even now at or soon approaching the outer range where a pop female solo act would try to break through. And in a few years ...would just be harder if that's a possible goal for her. (Not "fair," of course -- but just where the industry / audience is lately.)
Personally I think TBP are better in a group format. Kimberly has a good look and a strong voice, and in the group format puts on a very fun entertaining performance. But I don't know that her vocal interpretations are that flexible or nuanced across a wide range of material. I get very limited emotional connection from her with her songs.
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Post by Fanofctrymusic on Aug 19, 2015 8:05:57 GMT -5
Kimberly was born on July 12, 1983; Reid on November 17, 1988; and Neil on July 23, 1990. Kimberly Perry sang in her own band as a teenager with her brothers Neil and Reid working as roadies. At ages 8 and 10, the brothers began performing as an opening act, the Mobile Music Machines, for Kimberly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 11:24:24 GMT -5
It's not bad for a throwaway pop tune. But I'd expect more from them. I'm glad I heard it once, but I don't see myself replaying it 100 times and I personally love Red One and his productions.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Aug 19, 2015 11:33:08 GMT -5
Maybe she might do something like Hayley Williams does? (only appear as a featured act on certain songs) I just can't see her as a pop solo act if she's going that route...
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 19, 2015 11:51:42 GMT -5
Yes because everyone knows, "family harmonies" are a staple of what country music is...
I'm surprised she tweeted that. I'm sure they've had negative reactions to their music before and have been in the spotlight for over five years now, so I don't know why she even responded to the comments on how "Live Forever" isn't country. Acoustic guitars and live drums are not exclusive to country music and what good is a mandolin if it's buried behind a wall of sound?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 12:07:12 GMT -5
Yes because everyone knows, "family harmonies" are a staple of what country music is... I'm surprised she tweeted that. I'm sure they've had negative reactions to their music before and have been in the spotlight for over five years now, so I don't know why she even responded to the comments on how "Live Forever" isn't country. Acoustic guitars and live drums are not exclusive to country music and what good is a mandolin if it's buried behind a wall of sound? I could be wrong here, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's such a strong negative reaction to this (it seems like they've already alienated a big chunk of fans), that Kimberly felt the need to defend herself. A lot of artists only feel compelled to speak out if they're getting slammed with criticism, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's happening right now. I have no issues with artists defending themselves on social media, but Kimberly's "defense" of LF, a new direction (or whatever it may be), does irk me a little bit. If this new direction is genuine, just own up to it, instead of trying to defend yourself with baseless points. Artists seem to be willing to defend everything as "Country" these days, but clearly that defense is smoke and mirrors here. I'd have no problem with Kimberly defending this new sound, if she didn't come off as grasping at straws. LF isn't Country, and TBP is clearly going in a new direction visually and sonically. Just admit what's already obvious, instead of trying to make excuse to appease the annoyed fans.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 19, 2015 12:18:04 GMT -5
Yes because everyone knows, "family harmonies" are a staple of what country music is... I'm surprised she tweeted that. I'm sure they've had negative reactions to their music before and have been in the spotlight for over five years now, so I don't know why she even responded to the comments on how "Live Forever" isn't country. Acoustic guitars and live drums are not exclusive to country music and what good is a mandolin if it's buried behind a wall of sound? I could be wrong here, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's such a strong negative reaction to this (it seems like they've already alienated a big chunk of fans), that Kimberly felt the need to defend herself. A lot of artists only feel compelled to speak out if they're getting slammed with criticism, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's happening right now. I have no issues with artists defending themselves on social media, but Kimberly's "defense" of LF, a new direction (or whatever it may be), does irk me a little bit. If this new direction is genuine, just own up to it, instead of trying to defend yourself with baseless points. Artists seem to be willing to defend everything as "Country" these days, but clearly that defense is smoke and mirrors here. I'd have no problem with Kimberly defending this new sound, if she didn't come off as grasping at straws. LF isn't Country, and TBP is clearly going in a new direction visually and sonically. Just admit what's already obvious, instead of trying to make excuse to appease the annoyed fans. I understand her right to defend herself too, but she has more to lose than the people tweeting her. It's best to just ignore the criticism. Surely they knew that some people would not enjoy their new song and find it lacking in country elements. If Kimberly truly thinks "Live Forever" is a country song then this genre is truly in deep trouble if the artists making the music don't even know what constitutes as a country song anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 12:55:31 GMT -5
You know...If you have to defend that your song is in fact "Country" chances are its probably not Country, Kimmy.
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Post by tim on Aug 19, 2015 13:18:06 GMT -5
I have yet to actually listen to this in its entirety only because I couldn't force myself to sit and watch their staged and choreographed performance when they debuted it live on GMA. I'm also reluctant to listen to this because I feel any authenticity that I thought TBP had is all but gone.
On a side note and to add to her defending this song, I did notice that their Facebook page is or was at least being scrubbed from any negative comments. I haven't checked back in a couple days, but it seems they only want positive comments regarding their new song and direction.
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Post by carriekins on Aug 19, 2015 13:38:54 GMT -5
You know...If you have to defend that your song is in fact "Country" chances are its probably not Country, Kimmy. I came SO CLOSE to tweeting her this earlier, but instead just unfollowed her/them and moved on.
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Post by sixofone on Aug 19, 2015 13:44:20 GMT -5
You know...If you have to defend that your song is in fact "Country" chances are its probably not Country, Kimmy. I came SO CLOSE to tweeting her this earlier, but instead just unfollowed her/them and moved on. Click on the link to the original tweet in Kimberly Perry's tweet -- the man who tweeted the original criticism to which Kimberly replied responded with this:
"I did just listen to it again and honestly I liked it better. I get defensive about country going too pop."
Then Kimberly Perry offered him concert "tix on us whenever u want!"
Hysterical (but also kinda sad, since anyone who was played this song and not told the artist or genre would think it was a new pop song by some pop group).
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 19, 2015 13:58:04 GMT -5
Country radio likes Live Forever:
THE BAND PERRY Live Forever 58 681 TIM MCGRAW Top Of The World 4 70 JASON ALDEAN Gonna Know We Were Here 4 45 LUKE BRYAN Strip It Down 2 36 BOONE Summer Girls 2 27
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Post by drummerman2009 on Aug 19, 2015 14:03:03 GMT -5
I came SO CLOSE to tweeting her this earlier, but instead just unfollowed her/them and moved on. Click on the link to the original tweet in Kimberly Perry's tweet -- the man who tweeted the original criticism to which Kimberly replied responded with this:
"I did just listen to it again and honestly I liked it better. I get defensive about country going too pop."
Then Kimberly Perry offered him concert "tix on us whenever u want!"
Hysterical (but also kinda sad, since anyone who was played this song and not told the artist or genre would think it was a new pop song by some pop group).
That quote from Kimberly saying "tix on us whenever u want!" sounds very rude and childish coming from a 32 year old. It's very expected in a teenager but not really from supposedly a grown woman who should know better. I know of a lot of pop singers/groups who would fit that description but if this rude behavior is accepted from them then go for it.
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Post by matty005 on Aug 19, 2015 14:31:28 GMT -5
Click on the link to the original tweet in Kimberly Perry's tweet -- the man who tweeted the original criticism to which Kimberly replied responded with this:
"I did just listen to it again and honestly I liked it better. I get defensive about country going too pop."
Then Kimberly Perry offered him concert "tix on us whenever u want!"
Hysterical (but also kinda sad, since anyone who was played this song and not told the artist or genre would think it was a new pop song by some pop group).
That quote from Kimberly saying "tix on us whenever u want!" sounds very rude and childish coming from a 32 year old. It's very expected in a teenager but not really from supposedly a grown woman who should know better. I know of a lot of pop singers/groups who would fit that description but if this rude behavior is accepted from them then go for it. Why is it rude and childish she offered him free tickets?
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Post by drummerman2009 on Aug 19, 2015 15:11:30 GMT -5
That quote from Kimberly saying "tix on us whenever u want!" sounds very rude and childish coming from a 32 year old. It's very expected in a teenager but not really from supposedly a grown woman who should know better. I know of a lot of pop singers/groups who would fit that description but if this rude behavior is accepted from them then go for it. Why is it rude and childish she offered him free tickets? It was kind of the way she said it that made it look like it was rude by the exclamation point and the use of the abbreviated you. Instead of just saying that he could have concert tickets she just stated it in a way that it could be interepted that it was written by a teenager and not by a grown woman.
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Post by Marv on Aug 19, 2015 15:35:57 GMT -5
If I were offered free concert tickets from any artist I'd be flattered and very honored, and as a broadcast journalism major and film critic for my college newspaper back in the day, getting bent out of shape over an exclamation point would be moronic and then some.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 19, 2015 16:53:13 GMT -5
I hope radio would make an example if The Band Perry. I don't hate them by any means; in fact I like quite a few if their songs. But I wish country radio would make them a sacrificial lamb to prevent all this Pop music crossing-over. I wish they wouldn't play this one anymore than top 20 (but they will) and when they fail on Pop radio (I just can't see them being huge over there. They might get a few minor hits, but the sales aren't indicating it right now.), I wish radio would reject any future country projects by them because they went "Pop". You know who the best selling artist in the genre is? Luke Bryan! Has he ever crossed over to Pop? No! I don't understand why so many think you have to crossover to Pop to make big money. I'm pretty sure most pop artists would rather have Luke Bryan's level of success than 2 years of the fickle Pop radio spotlight.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 17:09:19 GMT -5
I hope radio would make an example if The Band Perry. I don't hate them by any means; in fact I like quite a few if their songs. But I wish country radio would make them a sacrificial lamb to prevent all this Pop music crossing-over. I wish they wouldn't play this one anymore than top 20 (but they will) and when they fail on Pop radio (I just can't see them being huge over there. They might get a few minor hits, but the sales aren't indicating it right now.), I wish radio would reject any future country projects by them because they went "Pop". You know who the best selling artist in the genre is? Luke Bryan! Has he ever crossed over to Pop? No! I don't understand why so many think you have to crossover to Pop to make big money. I'm pretty sure most pop artists would rather have Luke Bryan's level of success than 2 years of the fickle Pop radio spotlight. While I certainly agree with your overall point, I don't know if achieving "Luke Bryan" success is the best example. I mean when you get right down to it, is it really the music that people love most about Luke?
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Post by freeman on Aug 19, 2015 18:53:52 GMT -5
Country radio is certainly going through a change now. I do worry about that and what it means regarding the survival of traditionally influenced country but I enjoy both pop and country music so I'm not angry that this song is very pop. Having said that I enjoy most of their other singles more than this one. It's a great song in my opinion though. I feel that they are very genuine people so I trust that this musical change was brought about from their own desire to explore new directions as opposed to pressure from the label or industry.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 20, 2015 1:02:57 GMT -5
Lol @ offering free tickets on a social media site that encourages short posts and an almost text-like speech approach being deemed childish for shortening words and adding an exclamation point. Seems almost a bit testier than Kimberly's own initial response to that guy (which I agree was rather unnecessary). I hope radio would make an example if The Band Perry. I don't hate them by any means; in fact I like quite a few if their songs. But I wish country radio would make them a sacrificial lamb to prevent all this Pop music crossing-over. I wish they wouldn't play this one anymore than top 20 (but they will) and when they fail on Pop radio (I just can't see them being huge over there. They might get a few minor hits, but the sales aren't indicating it right now.), I wish radio would reject any future country projects by them because they went "Pop". You know who the best selling artist in the genre is? Luke Bryan! Has he ever crossed over to Pop? No! I don't understand why so many think you have to crossover to Pop to make big money. I'm pretty sure most pop artists would rather have Luke Bryan's level of success than 2 years of the fickle Pop radio spotlight. But radio pulled back the reins on "Real Life" and that had you upset so why is this any different? I'm genuinely confused reading this because you recently expressed a dissatisfaction with radio slowing the progress of Jake Owen's song which is equally not country. He hasn't made any effort to actually cross his music over to other genres, but his current single is still not country. At least The Band Perry had a goal of creating a multi-format hit with "Live Forever" instead of just dropping a non-country tune onto the country airwaves exclusively and calling it a day. Just my $.02. I personally love this song and think it's a great experiment for them and I would enjoy seeing them have another big crossover hit and continue to play with their music because I like a lot of different sounds on The Band Perry and think they're certainly capable of doing so. That said, I'm not going to pretend that this song in particular is something that really belongs on country radio, though I'd rather hear this in any capacity over some of the plain awful music Florida Georgia Line or Thomas Rhett are churning out, imo.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Aug 20, 2015 1:11:16 GMT -5
I think this article lays out some great points. For me, it's not necessarily that this is a bad song, it's just very bland and far below the quality I believe The Band Perry are capable of, based on their past work. And no, it's not even remotely country. Like someone said earlier, if there's mandolin in this song it's buried so far down in the mix I can't hear it. I'm not one to need my country music to be "traditional", but it feels like country's identity crisis is coming to a head. Why is it that so many country artists seem to think country music isn't cool enough on its own? The genre gets enough criticism from outsiders, it'd be nice to see more mainstream country acts standing up for the history of the genre (musically, not just in name-dropping Willie, Waylon, Cash, et al.)
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Post by surfy on Aug 20, 2015 1:20:28 GMT -5
I actually think it's a good mix of pop and country! I love the melody, and although it isn't anywhere near the level of some of their previous singles, I still enjoy the song!!!
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 20, 2015 8:13:04 GMT -5
Lol @ offering free tickets on a social media site that encourages short posts and an almost text-like speech approach being deemed childish for shortening words and adding an exclamation point. Seems almost a bit testier than Kimberly's own initial response to that guy (which I agree was rather unnecessary). I hope radio would make an example if The Band Perry. I don't hate them by any means; in fact I like quite a few if their songs. But I wish country radio would make them a sacrificial lamb to prevent all this Pop music crossing-over. I wish they wouldn't play this one anymore than top 20 (but they will) and when they fail on Pop radio (I just can't see them being huge over there. They might get a few minor hits, but the sales aren't indicating it right now.), I wish radio would reject any future country projects by them because they went "Pop". You know who the best selling artist in the genre is? Luke Bryan! Has he ever crossed over to Pop? No! I don't understand why so many think you have to crossover to Pop to make big money. I'm pretty sure most pop artists would rather have Luke Bryan's level of success than 2 years of the fickle Pop radio spotlight. But radio pulled back the reins on "Real Life" and that had you upset so why is this any different? I'm genuinely confused reading this because you recently expressed a dissatisfaction with radio slowing the progress of Jake Owen's song which is equally not country. He hasn't made any effort to actually cross his music over to other genres, but his current single is still not country. At least The Band Perry had a goal of creating a multi-format hit with "Live Forever" instead of just dropping a non-country tune onto the country airwaves exclusively and calling it a day. Just my $.02. I personally love this song and think it's a great experiment for them and I would enjoy seeing them have another big crossover hit and continue to play with their music because I like a lot of different sounds on The Band Perry and think they're certainly capable of doing so. That said, I'm not going to pretend that this song in particular is something that really belongs on country radio, though I'd rather hear this in any capacity over some of the plain awful music Florida Georgia Line or Thomas Rhett are churning out, imo. Not to get side-tracked, but you pretty much summed it up by yourself: Jake isn't promoting his song to Pop radio. We can all argue about wether or not it's country, but at the end of the day it comes down to personal opinion. Jake has said the song was influenced by Sublime, a reggae rock band that sure as he'll would never get played on Pop radio. It's also a group that he's been covering in concert for years ("What I Got" in particular), so I don't see "Real Life" as an anbandoment of who Jake really is. In fact, I think it's a song that sums up who Jake Owen is as an artist pretty well. I don't get the same feeling from The Band Perry. If they came out and said that their new direction is who they really are as a group, I wouldn't hold it against them as much, but too me it just reeks of Scott Borchatta steering them towards "crossover success". Also, I've always felt the lines between rock and country were pretty close, and I'd like to see country music embrace more rock music stylings then chase the Pop genre. So I'm going to embrace songs that resemble Sublime, Lynyrd Skynyrd and 80's stadium rock more than country songs sounding like One Direction or Demi Lovato.
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Post by carriekins on Aug 20, 2015 8:25:42 GMT -5
Er, back in their heydey, Sublime was played on Top 40/Pop radio ALL. THE. TIME. I very distinctly remember tubing the Salt River outside Phoenix when I was 16, listening to the KISS FM station, and us all singing loudly along with Santeria. So that argument doesn't really hold up, unfortunately.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 20, 2015 11:42:49 GMT -5
Putting out a straight-up pop song on country radio in exclusivity doesn't read to me as "better" than The Band Perry putting out a song that they know is heavily pop to multiple-genres. Maybe it goes a little too far to be on country radio (like "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"), but the goal was a crossover hit. Jake Owen's goal was a non-country sounding song that... would be played on country radio, and that was it. You're just willing to overlook that because you like the kind of music Jake Owen's influences tap for "Real Life" and you are a big fan of Jake Owen, dm2081, and that's fine, but I found the "Country radio should burn The Band Perry at the stake" comments a little over the top as a result, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 12:02:50 GMT -5
Another issue I have with this one--considering they were so excited to have everyone HEAR their new music--is that this one is still not on Spotify. That's obviously a BMLG thing, but trying to spur sales doesn't really jive with the "this isn't for the money" argument.
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