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Post by dm2081 on Aug 20, 2015 17:04:00 GMT -5
Putting out a straight-up pop song on country radio in exclusivity doesn't read to me as "better" than The Band Perry putting out a song that they know is heavily pop to multiple-genres. Maybe it goes a little too far to be on country radio (like "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"), but the goal was a crossover hit. Jake Owen's goal was a non-country sounding song that... would be played on country radio, and that was it. You're just willing to overlook that because you like the kind of music Jake Owen's influences tap for "Real Life" and you are a big fan of Jake Owen, dm2081, and that's fine, but I found the "Country radio should burn The Band Perry at the stake" comments a little over the top as a result, lol. Uh please don't categorize me like this. I simply think rock/country hybrids are a great fit on country radio, like "Real Life", "Bottoms Up", "Withdrawals" and anything by Eric Church. "Live Forever" honestly sounds like a Kidz Pop or Radio Disney single IMO, that's 100% pop. I'm clearly not the only one that thinks it's not a country song. Also, I never said they "should be burned at the stake", so please don't put words in my mouth. I simply have reached a breaking point with Pop songs on country radio, and I want to see country radio make a stand (which they won't).
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 20, 2015 17:26:07 GMT -5
Putting out a straight-up pop song on country radio in exclusivity doesn't read to me as "better" than The Band Perry putting out a song that they know is heavily pop to multiple-genres. Maybe it goes a little too far to be on country radio (like "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together"), but the goal was a crossover hit. Jake Owen's goal was a non-country sounding song that... would be played on country radio, and that was it. You're just willing to overlook that because you like the kind of music Jake Owen's influences tap for "Real Life" and you are a big fan of Jake Owen, dm2081, and that's fine, but I found the "Country radio should burn The Band Perry at the stake" comments a little over the top as a result, lol. Uh please don't categorize me like this. I simply think rock/country hybrids are a great fit on country radio, like "Real Life", "Bottoms Up", "Withdrawals" and anything by Eric Church. "Live Forever" honestly sounds like a Kidz Pop or Radio Disney single IMO, that's 100% pop. I'm clearly not the only one that thinks it's not a country song. Also, I never said they "should be burned at the stake", so please don't put words in my mouth. I simply have reached a breaking point with Pop songs on country radio, and I want to see country radio make a stand (which they won't). 1. I feel like I pointed out that you have a certain preference for those type of rock songs masquerading as country as oppose to pop songs masquerading as country, and your response was to tell me not to "categorize you" that way but then following it with a statement that backs up my point. 2. "Burned at the stake" is a hyperbolic statement of course, but it fits pretty well imo with the word choices you made about TBP being a "sacrificial lamb" and wishing that country radio would shut them out in the future even if they went back to recording straight-laced country tunes, lol. 3. I don't think this song is country and belongs on country radio either so I'm not arguing against that at all. I just found it interesting that you would make such condemning comments about TBP's future with country radio because of the song when just the other day expressed that country radio's slowing of "Real Life" was deemed to be grounds for "Country radio suck[ing] sometimes." This song is certainly another addition to the identity crisis of what should be played on country radio, but I don't see why this one particular offering from TBP is so egregious that country radio should say "Nope." to this while continuing to let everyone else play the 'let's push the boundaries' game without problem.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 20, 2015 22:06:26 GMT -5
Uh please don't categorize me like this. I simply think rock/country hybrids are a great fit on country radio, like "Real Life", "Bottoms Up", "Withdrawals" and anything by Eric Church. "Live Forever" honestly sounds like a Kidz Pop or Radio Disney single IMO, that's 100% pop. I'm clearly not the only one that thinks it's not a country song. Also, I never said they "should be burned at the stake", so please don't put words in my mouth. I simply have reached a breaking point with Pop songs on country radio, and I want to see country radio make a stand (which they won't). 1. I feel like I pointed out that you have a certain preference for those type of rock songs masquerading as country as oppose to pop songs masquerading as country, and your response was to tell me not to "categorize you" that way but then following it with a statement that backs up my point. 2. "Burned at the stake" is a hyperbolic statement of course, but it fits pretty well imo with the word choices you made about TBP being a "sacrificial lamb" and wishing that country radio would shut them out in the future even if they went back to recording straight-laced country tunes, lol. 3. I don't think this song is country and belongs on country radio either so I'm not arguing against that at all. I just found it interesting that you would make such condemning comments about TBP's future with country radio because of the song when just the other day expressed that country radio's slowing of "Real Life" was deemed to be grounds for "Country radio suck[ing] sometimes." This song is certainly another addition to the identity crisis of what should be played on country radio, but I don't see why this one particular offering from TBP is so egregious that country radio should say "Nope." to this while continuing to let everyone else play the 'let's push the boundaries' game without problem. Maybe I should have specified earlier, but it doesn't matter to me if radio exiles Sam Hunt or The Band Perry or any other Pop music offender of the genre. I just want to see something bold happen that will make others think twice before playing this game of limbo. My point was I just want country radio to make a stand, so why not start with this song. I mean they've even admitted that they're going in a new direction, but basically don't have the cojones to just go full on Pop. It seems like they're trying to stay in bed with country music at the same time in case their Pop experiment doesn't turn out successful, which is annoying as a country music fan. Taylor Swift had the guts to just go full on Pop, and I just others would too.
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Post by dajross6 on Aug 21, 2015 0:56:00 GMT -5
I think country rock of the 2010s creates a worse state for the genre than this does honestly. At least the message of this song is upbeat, positive, and doesn't degrade women. That's better than literally 25% of the songs on country radio today. That being said, I don't want to hear this or bro-rock on country radio. Just give me my Hot Adult Country stations and chart and I'll be happy =)
Pop music went through this exact sort of identity question in the early to mid-90s and Hot Adult stations spun off. Today, it's essentially pop music without rap, hip hop, and with some country/alternative/rock ballad crossover and it's fantastic. There's no reason why country couldn't do the same, and maybe will. It would probably take a few stations in large markets to take a chance on it at the same time, but it *could* happen...right??
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Post by md1340 on Aug 21, 2015 11:09:22 GMT -5
The country format of today is becoming diverse, very much like the Top 40 format of the early 70s was....then, you heard country crossover hits, r&b crossover hits, straight up pop songs, AOR singles, and more, all blended on the same station. Eventually they began to split off into their own formats. Perhaps today's country stations could be seen as standing at a similar crossroads, playing a variety of styles of music under the same umbrella. I suppose time will tell if we start seeing several sub-genres of country having their different venues (somewhat like Americana is now the outlet for many artists with a traditional country sound). This song certainly is not the first to stretch the country envelope, and it won't be the last. Hats off to TBP for keeping it clean, and giving us music that we aren't ashamed to let our kids listen to.
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Post by grassblueboy on Aug 21, 2015 14:02:27 GMT -5
1. I feel like I pointed out that you have a certain preference for those type of rock songs masquerading as country as oppose to pop songs masquerading as country, and your response was to tell me not to "categorize you" that way but then following it with a statement that backs up my point. 2. "Burned at the stake" is a hyperbolic statement of course, but it fits pretty well imo with the word choices you made about TBP being a "sacrificial lamb" and wishing that country radio would shut them out in the future even if they went back to recording straight-laced country tunes, lol. 3. I don't think this song is country and belongs on country radio either so I'm not arguing against that at all. I just found it interesting that you would make such condemning comments about TBP's future with country radio because of the song when just the other day expressed that country radio's slowing of "Real Life" was deemed to be grounds for "Country radio suck[ing] sometimes." This song is certainly another addition to the identity crisis of what should be played on country radio, but I don't see why this one particular offering from TBP is so egregious that country radio should say "Nope." to this while continuing to let everyone else play the 'let's push the boundaries' game without problem. Maybe I should have specified earlier, but it doesn't matter to me if radio exiles Sam Hunt or The Band Perry or any other Pop music offender of the genre. I just want to see something bold happen that will make others think twice before playing this game of limbo. My point was I just want country radio to make a stand, so why not start with this song. I mean they've even admitted that they're going in a new direction, but basically don't have the cojones to just go full on Pop. It seems like they're trying to stay in bed with country music at the same time in case their Pop experiment doesn't turn out successful, which is annoying as a country music fan. Taylor Swift had the guts to just go full on Pop, and I just others would too. Actually Taylor did not "just go full on pop" until 1989 and I've never read anything from The Band Perry to indicate that is their intent. I would be willing to bet any self respecting label is going to have significant say in which formats a song is serviced to. To think that any artist can make that type of call on their own is naive. Back to the well made point of .indulgecountry it is interesting you will accept rock influenced country but not pop influence- a personal opinion to which you are entitled, but those influences are no more "country" than pop influences. It is certainly another crossroad for country, not the first and certainly not the last, but we should all remember that the only species to not embrace change were the dinosaurs. In response to this song and TBP- this is not that much of a divergence at all from what they do live- both in their own songs and cover selections. To make my point check out this post www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRF2_8ZOeLE . If you haven't seen them live then you don't really know them- declared by Pam Tillis recently as the best live act in country music today. If they help bring more listeners to this format we all love- more power to them.
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Post by bboat11 on Aug 21, 2015 14:34:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry, did you just use a completely inaccurate biological statement to defend the bastardization of country music? I think I need a drink.
Edit: Also, I do not mean any disrespect by saying that. I just thought that one dinosaur statement was a hilariously bad point. Everything else you said was really good :) Especially the part about how this song fits their image as a live act!
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 21, 2015 14:54:30 GMT -5
Maybe I should have specified earlier, but it doesn't matter to me if radio exiles Sam Hunt or The Band Perry or any other Pop music offender of the genre. I just want to see something bold happen that will make others think twice before playing this game of limbo. My point was I just want country radio to make a stand, so why not start with this song. I mean they've even admitted that they're going in a new direction, but basically don't have the cojones to just go full on Pop. It seems like they're trying to stay in bed with country music at the same time in case their Pop experiment doesn't turn out successful, which is annoying as a country music fan. Taylor Swift had the guts to just go full on Pop, and I just others would too. Actually Taylor did not "just go full on pop" until 1989 and I've never read anything from The Band Perry to indicate that is their intent. I would be willing to bet any self respecting label is going to have significant say in which formats a song is serviced to. To think that any artist can make that type of call on their own is naive. Back to the well made point of .indulgecountry it is interesting you will accept rock influenced country but not pop influence- a personal opinion to which you are entitled, but those influences are no more "country" than pop influences. It is certainly another crossroad for country, not the first and certainly not the last, but we should all remember that the only species to not embrace change were the dinosaurs. In response to this song and TBP- this is not that much of a divergence at all from what they do live- both in their own songs and cover selections. To make my point check out this post www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRF2_8ZOeLE . If you haven't seen them live then you don't really know them- declared by Pam Tillis recently as the best live act in country music today. If they help bring more listeners to this format we all love- more power to them. Had a chance to see them earlier this year, but chose to see Little Big Town instead, and it looks like I made the right call based off of recent single selections. And just no with the dinosaur talk. Just no.
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Post by LBTrocks on Aug 21, 2015 14:57:56 GMT -5
Actually Taylor did not "just go full on pop" until 1989 and I've never read anything from The Band Perry to indicate that is their intent. I would be willing to bet any self respecting label is going to have significant say in which formats a song is serviced to. To think that any artist can make that type of call on their own is naive. Back to the well made point of .indulgecountry it is interesting you will accept rock influenced country but not pop influence- a personal opinion to which you are entitled, but those influences are no more "country" than pop influences. It is certainly another crossroad for country, not the first and certainly not the last, but we should all remember that the only species to not embrace change were the dinosaurs. In response to this song and TBP- this is not that much of a divergence at all from what they do live- both in their own songs and cover selections. To make my point check out this post www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRF2_8ZOeLE . If you haven't seen them live then you don't really know them- declared by Pam Tillis recently as the best live act in country music today. If they help bring more listeners to this format we all love- more power to them. Had a chance to see them earlier this year, but chose to see Little Big Town instead, and it looks like I made the right call based off of recent single selections. And just no with the dinosaur talk. Just no. TBP are amazing live, but yes... you made the right decision ;)
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 24, 2015 17:01:31 GMT -5
The Band Perry debut at #14 on the digital songs chart with Live Forever. 19,000 were sold. Congratulations, Band Perry!
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Post by Kurt on Aug 24, 2015 20:59:35 GMT -5
I keep listening to this and wishing I liked this more. :( I usually tend to disagree with comments in this forum about songs that are too poppy because of how much I like pop music (and while it seems most didn't here, I liked Pioneer as a whole), but not only is this not a good country song, it's not a good pop song. The background vocals - which I think weirdly become too prominent in the chorus - sound like the cast of Glee recorded it instead of anyone in the band, and none of the hooks are particularly inventive or interesting. I don't mind that they're trying to approach a more pop-oriented sound, but I wish they were doing a better job of it, and I think the gothic feel alluded to earlier in the thread gave them more of a unique niche (the only other bands doing that are groups like Delta Rae and folkier outfits that are relegated to paltry AAA airplay). I'll hold out hope for the rest of the album.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 21:09:55 GMT -5
Man I heard this song on the radio. It just sounds so weird. The verses are so weak. I mean there so loose and have no real flow. The freaking We're gonna live we're gonna live forever is so annoying and who is even singing. I mean the last chorus is ok I guess cause Kimberly sounds decent but man this song tries to be anthem like and instead it just bores me. Also I don't see this crossing over pop all that well given the opening sales aren't exactly the best.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 26, 2015 11:51:28 GMT -5
This one has just not been doing as well as BMLG would have preferred. Yes, "Live Forever" has gained 163 spins and 700k in audience so far this week but it only saw a gain of 100k in audience today and is still in the low 40's of the rolling chart -- it debuted 12 days ago. The mini iHeartMedia deal only caused a debut of #50 on MB and the 8th day hangover really took a toll as "Live Forever" ended this past MB chart week losing nearly 1.4 million in audience. Then there's the sales; they're not bad, but they're not what I was expecting after the hype leading up to this song's release date and obvious crossover expectations. Its #43 on the Country iTunes chart and #224 on the all-genre chart.
Once again it's a big market station leading the way as KKBQ in Houston has accounted over over 1.0 million of this song's audience and no other leader has accounted for even 1/5th of that audience.
This one can still be a decent sized hit on country radio, don't get me wrong, but their last lead single "Better Dig Two" was at #25 on the MB rolling chart at the 12 day mark ("Live Forever" is at #48) and was #36 on the iTunes all-genre chart ("Live Forever" is at #224). I know the CMA Awards helped BDT immensely, but that's still a jaw dropping difference.
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Post by 14887fan on Aug 26, 2015 13:50:04 GMT -5
The Band Perry debut at #14 on the digital songs chart with Live Forever. 19,000 were sold. Congratulations, Band Perry! For the hiatus they took + the hype that this one had surrounding it, this isn't exactly the most promising debut. Here's hoping the album fares better, because I really don't want them to become another once-large Country group that ends up peaking early and tanking soon after. Maybe I should have specified earlier, but it doesn't matter to me if radio exiles Sam Hunt or The Band Perry or any other Pop music offender of the genre. I just want to see something bold happen that will make others think twice before playing this game of limbo. My point was I just want country radio to make a stand, so why not start with this song. I mean they've even admitted that they're going in a new direction, but basically don't have the cojones to just go full on Pop. It seems like they're trying to stay in bed with country music at the same time in case their Pop experiment doesn't turn out successful, which is annoying as a country music fan. Taylor Swift had the guts to just go full on Pop, and I just others would too. It is certainly another crossroad for country, not the first and certainly not the last, but we should all remember that the only species to not embrace change were the dinosaurs. :directs your attention to the human race:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 15:42:09 GMT -5
This one has just not been doing as well as BMLG would have preferred. Nah, nah honey I'm good I ain't gonna laugh, but I prob'ly could
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:27:48 GMT -5
Much like the Eli Young Band, The Band Perry drastically changed who they were as artists for the sake of the almighty dollar, and it's obviously not working. Now we're seeing it with Danielle Bradbury, and honestly, what's the point? Why try to mold them into little Taylor Swifts Borchetta? For someone who has arguably the most successful record label in Nashville, their business decisions have been totally obscure lately. I mean, it worked when Zac Brown Band tried their hand at a rock song, but that was because it actually fit them, and showed the band could tackle southern rock as well as Hard Rock. I can just imagine what Justin Moore's crossover song will sound like....oy vey
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Post by tim on Aug 26, 2015 21:56:42 GMT -5
I could easily see this backfiring on The Band Perry, if not only because they resemble nothing of what we've come to know them as for the past five years. They've done a complete 180 from their sound, looks, and stage presence. I mean this is like Garth Brooks going all Chris Gaines on us...I just can't wrap my head around how much this band is giving up to chase something that may not work out for them and might actually harm them with their fanbase. I listened to this again tonight and it just sounds like pure pop fluff, and I actually much prefer Sam Hunt's "Break Up In A Small Town" to this (but even that song isn't country by any stretch of the imagination). I'd be lying if I said I do kind of hope this song backfires on them
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Post by jesster on Aug 26, 2015 22:13:50 GMT -5
That's a decent analogy.
Although I'm concerned on this, it is just one song so I reserve judgment to hear the whole new album and also how they perform this one live -- will it be more country live consistent with their work to date? Or will it be all tricked up as in the recorded track.
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Post by cufan7 on Aug 27, 2015 13:49:41 GMT -5
Last night on E news they had a brief segment on TBP. They talked about the single and they were recording in the same studio as Lady Gaga and she listened to it and told them "more mandolin!" and so they raised up the mandolin... Also when they talked about their dream collabs they listed Nicki Minaj and Kanye...
It all just reeks of Brochette to be honest. These sudden changes don't seem genuine or representative of who they truly are at all. Someone in the Danielle thread referred to BMLG artists as "puppets". Disturbingly, I find that to be accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 13:52:04 GMT -5
Last night on E news they had a brief segment on TBP. They talked about the single and they were recording in the same studio as Lady Gaga and she listened to it and told them "more mandolin!" and so they raised up the mandolin... Also when they talked about their dream collabs they listed Nicki Minaj and Kanye... Wow it's like they're not even trying to be slightly country.
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Post by sixofone on Aug 27, 2015 14:10:47 GMT -5
Also when they talked about their dream collabs they listed Nicki Minaj and Kanye... That's almost as bad as Sam Hunt sometimes coming onstage to "N***** in Paris" by Jay-Z and Kanye West (that little tidbit made me want to vomit when I read it in the recent Billboard article about Hunt).
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 28, 2015 12:38:07 GMT -5
A song that was as hyped as "Live Forever" should not be losing 140k in audience, two weeks after debuting, but that's what it did today. I know it's only been 14 days and I commented on this song's start just a couple days ago but I'm finding this song's release fascinating. I was surprised it didn't get a full iHeartMedia deal to debut (rather a mini one), then only be added to 67 stations the first two weeks charting. I mean, 67 stations is absolutely nothing to sneeze at, and the majority of artists would kill to have that many adds in two weeks but for a band that has been as successful as The Band Perry, I think that number is a little low, especially when this single announcement was made a full month before it was debuted.
Maybe I was putting this group a little higher in the star status than I should have, or perhaps this song is not going over well with many listeners and radio folks. Most fans and radio people probably love the song (which is what usually happens when a song is released by a popular artist) but it seems that more people aren't as enthused by "Live Forever" as TBP would have liked. I will say that this chart run will take more muscle from Republic Nashville. It's still way too early to assume any projections on this song (I do think however that there's no way this ends up being as big as "Better Dig Two' and "Done") but the slow start is alarming and I'm seriously starting to wonder if this ends up backfiring.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 13:02:47 GMT -5
A song that was as hyped as "Live Forever" should not be losing 140k in audience, two weeks after debuting, but that's what it did today. I know it's only been 14 days and I commented on this song's start just a couple days ago but I'm finding this song's release fascinating. I was surprised it didn't get a full iHeartMedia deal to debut (rather a mini one), then only be added to 67 stations the first two weeks charting. I mean, 67 stations is absolutely nothing to sneeze at, and the majority of artists would kill to have that many adds in two weeks but for a band that has been as successful as The Band Perry, I think that number is a little low, especially when this single announcement was made a full month before it was debuted. Maybe I was putting this group a little higher in the star status than I should have, or perhaps this song is not going over well with many listeners and radio folks. Most fans and radio people probably love the song (which is what usually happens when a song is released by a popular artist) but it seems that more people aren't as enthused by "Live Forever" as TBP would have liked. I will say that this chart run will take more muscle from Republic Nashville. It's still way too early to assume any projections on this song (I do think however that there's no way this ends up being as big as "Better Dig Two' and "Done") but the slow start is alarming and I'm seriously starting to wonder if this ends up backfiring. I gotta be honest, I'm actually not opposed to "Live Forever" backfiring at all. TBP has had success because they're unique musicians who took pride in playing ACTUAL Country music. Fans of this band are likely not going to take kindly to a complete 180, and it's not like they were ever invincible the way the hottest stars in the format are right now. Perhaps Luke, FGL, etc. could get away with this, but when you go from songs like "If I Die Young" and "Better Dig Two" to a Pop song that is stripped of any TBP (or Country), I don't see how fans reactions would be that favorable, anyway. Frankly, I'm getting really tired of Big Machine trying to mold every one of their artists into a Pop act, and this song represents everything that's wrong with the genre right now, so I'm neither sad nor shocked to see a lackluster reaction from radio and fans. Yes, things have changed, but I just wish Country artists would/could go back to the days when great songs spoke for themselves. TBP was doing just fine before they completely changed their sound, so clearly they just did this for the sake of trying to bag Pop fans. Ugh. I'm actually relieved to know that this likely won't do much, because this genre just doesn't NEED another act that has completely lost their way for the sake of success.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 13:05:55 GMT -5
Exactly^. It blows my mind that BMLG didn't heed the warning provided by the Eli Young Band's attempt at dry pop techno (followed by a pop "duet" "remix" that has yet to break the top 50).
Maybe this is why we haven't gotten official word of ZBB's "Beautiful Drug"?
There's only so many artists you can run into the ground in a single year (right?)
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Aug 31, 2015 15:06:45 GMT -5
Yikes, this is doing terribly. Can't say I'm not surprised, though.
I wonder what their plan would be if this does end up not continuing to match the expectations Big Machine had prior to release.
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Post by defying gravity on Aug 31, 2015 15:17:29 GMT -5
This makes me wonder if their whole album is going to fail. If all of the tracks on the album are similar to "Live Forever," the album probably won't see much success. I hope they return to their roots eventually, but I still hope for the best for them.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 31, 2015 15:35:39 GMT -5
Well, Luckily for "Life Forever" it has gained spins over the past few days, just little or no audience (105 spins gained the past four days but just losing roughly 130k in total MB audience over that time frame).
This one is definitely fighting for airplay more than most expected it would be, but The Band Perry have cracked the top 40 on the rolling chart today, so perhaps Republic can get this moving more swiftly in the next 2-3 weeks. The abysmal audience gains after the strong debut are still a big concern for this song.
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 31, 2015 17:32:05 GMT -5
Egads! 19,000 sold last week, 5000 this week. Even Carrie Underwood more than doubled the Band Parry's sales in the first week with Smoke Break (56,000).
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Post by tonyei31 on Aug 31, 2015 20:48:43 GMT -5
Someone may have mentioned this earlier but I finally heard this song on radio today (haven't been listening much) and the chorus' rhythm is nearly the same as Martika's "Toy Soldier" pop hit from the 1980's. Nearly identical.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 3, 2015 15:37:01 GMT -5
The Band Perry talked with Music Row about their new album and music. Some interesting quotes.
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