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Post by wilbur on Jul 28, 2015 11:45:16 GMT -5
"hot mess" was a better song than this imo and it did nothing chart wise.
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Post by wilbur on Jul 28, 2015 11:47:13 GMT -5
but that's a good point. I never really saw "love you like that" or "Hell of an Amen" becoming #1's after their very slow starts so they should have stuck it out with withdrawls.
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Post by dm2081 on Jul 28, 2015 13:23:29 GMT -5
That add is hilarious. If you have to tell someone your song is "uptempo and fun", then chances are it's really not that much fun, or else you wouldn't feel the need to tell everyone it is. The worst part about all of this is we can now forget about the phenomenal "Suffer In Peace" being a single. That's one of the best songs to come out in a country music in a while, and sadly the masses won't get to hear it. "Better In Boots" and "C.O.U.N.T.R.Y." are easily the two worst songs on the album, and it's not even close. If they couldn't get permission to release "Damn Good Friends", then go with "Poor Boy" or "Raised To Pray". Both are radio friendly but still have substance. As a Tyler Farr fan, this is really frustrating.
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Post by bjer127 on Jul 28, 2015 13:39:01 GMT -5
That add is hilarious. If you have to tell someone your song is "uptempo and fun", then chances are it's really not that much fun, or else you wouldn't feel the need to tell everyone it is. The worst part about all of this is we can now forget about the phenomenal "Suffer In Peace" being a single. That's one of the best songs to come out in a country music in a while, and sadly the masses won't get to hear it. "Better In Boots" and "C.O.U.N.T.R.Y." are easily the two worst songs on the album, and it's not even close. If they couldn't get permission to release "Damn Good Friends", then go with "Poor Boy" or "Raised To Pray". Both are radio friendly but still have substance. As a Tyler Farr fan, this is really frustrating. Yup Agree 100% on Suffer in Peace. Maybe it will get single #3. Or they use this as radio fodder "momentum" then release Withdrawals. I actually didn't care for withdrawals at all. Just not my cup of tea. But this one isn't good choice. Almost any other song on album would make more sense
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Post by someguy on Jul 28, 2015 16:22:42 GMT -5
I haven't really liked anything of his, but this is extra bad. I'm surprised that they dropped the last single so quickly, considering how crowded the charts are right now.
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Post by annie on Jul 28, 2015 19:41:41 GMT -5
Like most others have mentioned, I really enjoyed "Withdrawls". However, I'm surprised at all the negative feedback "Better In Boots" is getting. I dunno, maybe I'm just old but I'm not one of these people that feels as though every single song released to radio has to be something with deep meaning and powerful lyrics. I understand that what Pittenger and Wilson wrote is FAR from a lyrical masterpiece, but I'm also wise enough to take this song for what it is and enjoy that. I totally feel that... I think songs can be simple without being boring or cliched though. Chris Young's "I'm Coming Over," for instance, is a super done theme, but lines like "why put out a fire when it's still burning" are interesting enough to keep it from being bland. That's my lyrical issue with "Better In Boots," especially compared w "Withdrawls."
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 29, 2015 11:57:05 GMT -5
This was officially sent to radio today via Play Mpe. Lol @ that cover. They keep drilling home the fact this song has "tempo." This is also not the kind of song you want to be shedding light on the lyrics.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 29, 2015 13:31:34 GMT -5
The label's desperation/panic is really showing with this release.
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Post by kw9461 on Aug 1, 2015 0:16:06 GMT -5
The melody is pretty catchy here, but otherwise this is just plaid bad. His vocals are all kinds of bad (more than anything they're just ill suited for the material), and the lyrics are a sea of mediocrity. I wasn't a big fan of Withdrawals because of the production, but at least it had its merits. This is a huge step backward for Tyler and I have to believe a release that will hurt his momentum going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:49:54 GMT -5
And let the stone say: RIP "Withdrawals" Murdered July 2015 by Country Radio Country radio didn't make the decision to pull "Withdrawals," though. It was off to a slow start like plenty of releases have been lately, and I guess Randy Goodman came in and made the decision to pull the song for this. My guess is "Withdrawals" had terrible research scores like most of Farr's songs have in the past, but as with Farr's past three hits it had the saving grace of strong digital sales. I guarantee this new release will not have those strong sales and I don't imagine it'll get much love on the Callout charts either, so now I'm just hoping this peaks lower than "Withdrawals" and Sony gets punished for this utterly stupid decision. I can't say for certain that Goodman gave the executive command to yank "Withdrawals," but it seems pretty strange that Columbia had been sticking with this all summer and suddenly when it was starting to move up a bit they yank it, coincidentally very shortly after the new CEO steps in. Between this and Goodman's evidence-free assertion that the Callout data model is "skewed" against women, I'm not optimistic about the future of Sony at all.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 17, 2015 20:38:37 GMT -5
"Better In Boots" is the fourth most added song on MB this week with 29 adds on impact day.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 17, 2015 20:50:07 GMT -5
"Better In Boots" is the fourth most added song on MB this week with 29 adds on impact day. I feel like Tyler has zero momentum right now. With so many A-listers releasing new songs right now (Jason, Tim, Carrie, Blake & Luke) and even some solid B-listers (The Band Perry, Joe Nichols), I feel like radio is going to forget about this tune. Hopefully the sales can start off well for Tyler's sake, but I won't hold my breath.
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Post by phil1996 on Aug 17, 2015 20:57:16 GMT -5
His voice isn't good enough to be releasing mediocre material. "Withdrawals" was THE song for him and they gave up on it.
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Post by zjames on Aug 17, 2015 21:05:34 GMT -5
This is probably my least favorite song being serviced to country radio right now. Completely unmemorable and uninspired, and Tyler doesn't sound too great here. I really hope the early panic about "Withdrawals" backfires.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 17, 2015 21:10:24 GMT -5
"Better In Boots" is the fourth most added song on MB this week with 29 adds on impact day. I feel like Tyler has zero momentum right now. With so many A-listers releasing new songs right now (Jason, Tim, Carrie, Blake & Luke) and even some solid B-listers (The Band Perry, Joe Nichols), I feel like radio is going to forget about this tune. Hopefully the sales can start off well for Tyler's sake, but I won't hold my breath. His momentum might not be a zero but it's certainly not high right now. "Withdrawals" was off to a bad start and Columbia/Sony just did not foresee that song taking off, so they pulled it to salvage this album era. "Better In Boots" has to work for Tyler though or we could see this end disastrously for him and his label. It's all about where a song finishes, not how many adds it gets on impact day, so we'll see. The ad in Aircheck this evening boasted 50 total first week stations, which is pretty decent for someone like Tyler. This song just doesn't strike me as a huge seller or one that will generate a great deal of listener feedback, so to me country radio and Columbia Nashville's promotion will determine how well this single performs. I think this song is pretty terrible though and I won't shed a tear if it fails.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 29, 2015 11:49:00 GMT -5
We finally have the official reason from Sony Nashville as to why they pulled "Withdrawals" for "Better In Boots." This is a piece from an interview Randy Goodman (CEO), Ken Rebold (EVP/COO) and Steve Hodges (Artist Development) gave Hits Daily Double. I think most already knew that's how it went down but it's a shame that's how most label heads think now -- "quick, let's get a mindless tempo song out there that the demo's we're after eat up." Now, with the struggles "Withdrawals" had out of the gate, that made the decision that much easier, but it's still disappointing. It's clear that the new heads of Sony never wanted "Withdrawals" released in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 12:07:48 GMT -5
That makes perfect sense, honestly, aside from the glaring fact that by the time "Better in Boots" is in heavy rotation (if it ever is) it will likely be the dead of winter.
I guess that crushes any hope of "Suffer in Peace" being released. I get that they wanted to get Tyler out of the "dark" image after "A Guy Walks Into a Bar" and "Redneck Crazy".
Unfortunately, "Better in Boots" is a temporary fix for doing Tyler good at radio. Those are the types of songs that will limit a career to 2-3 years. Could have released "Why We Live Here"...could have had career-defining song with that.
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 29, 2015 12:31:59 GMT -5
Yeah or you could actually build a niche market (darker heartbreak songs) that actually evokes passion in some fan base. "Better In Boots" might not scare as many listeners away, but I would think as an artist you would much rather create a distinct sound/feel that will always serve a subset population. And the fact that the studio heads didn't have the foresight to realize Tyler's song wouldn't be receiving his major airplay until late fall and early winter is really telling. Congrats, you pulled "Withdrawls" so you can have a more summer friendly song out for the last 2-3 weeks of summer.
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Post by layne on Aug 29, 2015 12:39:35 GMT -5
I haven't heard Better in Boots one time yet and summer is almost done. Withdrawals was one of the best songs I've heard this guy sing and it's a shame his label apparently is clueless and didn't allow him to stick with the song at least into October and see if it could gain some spins. It had lots of tweets about it and the youtube comments on the official video were very positive. Good thing this label wasn't in charge of the Girl Crush song because it would have never had a chance with them.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 29, 2015 12:41:14 GMT -5
Yeah or you could actually build a niche market (darker heartbreak songs) that actually evokes passion in some fan base. "Better In Boots" might not scare as many listeners away, but I would think as an artist you would much rather create a distinct sound/feel that will always serve a subset population. And the fact that the studio heads didn't have the foresight to realize Tyler's song wouldn't be receiving his major airplay until late fall and early winter is really telling. Congrats, you pulled "Withdrawls" so you can have a more summer friendly song out for the last 2-3 weeks of summer. Well to be fair to Goodman, Rebold and Hodges, I think that they see "Better In Boots" having a better chance to get off the ground better than "Withdrawals" and hope to have it up the charts enough by the time the cold weather comes. "Better In Boots" can work anytime of year really, whereas (I don't agree this this line of thinking mind you) "Withdrawals" was struggling during the summer months because radio didn't really want a song like that, at that time. It's a shame though, I agree. I wasn't a fan of "Withdrawals'" production but it was definitely one of Tyler's best songs. "Better In Boots" is just plain bad and will be radio filler that makes me turn the dial when it comes on.
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Post by Kentucky25 on Aug 29, 2015 21:55:33 GMT -5
Not sure about the whole "this is more female friendly", I'm not one to speak much either way about the sexist things in songs but this is just dumb...it's not like women are incapable of liking a song about heartbreak and sorrow more so than a song that talks about how they look better dressed certain ways, that seems like a ridiculous statement.
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Post by carriekins on Aug 29, 2015 21:59:53 GMT -5
Not sure about the whole "this is more female friendly", I'm not one to speak much either way about the sexist things in songs but this is just dumb...it's not like women are incapable of liking a song about heartbreak and sorrow more so than a song that talks about how they look better dressed certain ways, that seems like a ridiculous statement. Yep.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 29, 2015 23:16:38 GMT -5
I wasn't a fan of "Withdrawals'" Julian King's production on pretty much anythingFTFY In all seriousness, this seems like a poor man's "Boots On", and the desperate "fun" "tempo" begging in the ads is puzzling. I wonder if Tyler was really pushing for "Withdrawals" and they had to call a mulligan when it bombed? And here I thought Rodney Atkins' "Invisibly Shaken" would be forever be the land speed record for "worst-performing followup to a string of multiple #1's"…
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 4, 2015 14:44:31 GMT -5
This song's off to a rather pedestrian start. Yes, "Better In Boots" was able to debut the week of the add date on Billboard Airplay at #60 but taking a gander of its leaders, I think this song (if it's going to hit) will end up having a very slow climb. We're going on four months since "A Guy Walks Into A Bar" and Tyler hasn't had a follow up reach the top 50 yet on either chart, after the slow start for "Withdrawals" and ultimate pull from the record label.
Randy Goodman and company talked about getting Tyler from that middle echelon, to an A-lister, and I just don't think that will ever happen. Tyler's been largely successful so far because country radio has embraced him but he just never screamed star artist to me. I think he can hang around and score some hits here and there but he'll never be as big as Aldean or Bryan. I think his first two singles were poor choices for radio (nothing stood out about "Hot Mess" and "Hello Goodbye" was the biggest case of 'good song, bad artist to sing it' I've ever seen) and "Redneck Crazy" was a song that was different enough to get him a breakthrough hit, mainly because it was perfect timing for 2013 country radio. Then, just as he's starting to release decent material, his label pulls "Withdrawals" for one of the most bland and boring songs of 2015. I actually agree with Sony Nashville that "Withdrawals" wasn't going to amount to much on the charts but if you're going to pull it, can the replacement be somewhat good? Yes, this song is more up-tempo and appeals to the trending demographic labels and radio are after but releasing song's like "Better In Boots" to country radio will only hurt an artist in the long run, not help them.
I don't wish on too many singles to fail at country radio but I won't shed a tear if this one falters.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 4, 2015 16:15:46 GMT -5
sabre14 I agree with you about Tyler. I don't remember reading anything about the execs saying they want him to be an A-lister, but if its true then I feel they don't have a good grasp on the kind of artist he really is. It doesn't mean he can't be a star, in fact I think he'd be a great B-list artist for years to come, but they need to market him that way. I think he can have a solid Dierks Bentley or Billy Currington kind of career, but they need to release the songs that will build up his niche marker. "Suffer In Peace" and "Withdrawals" and "A Guy Walks Into A Bar" need to be his bread and butter. Like you said, he won't earn too many fans by making rehash version of current hits, such as "Better In Boots". He might get a hit or two that way, but he really should focus on honing his craft. Those who stand out are going to have the best chance of surviving the industry more than 10 years.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 4, 2015 16:45:07 GMT -5
sabre14 I agree with you about Tyler. I don't remember reading anything about the execs saying they want him to be an A-lister, but if its true then I feel they don't have a good grasp on the kind of artist he really is. From the HDD article: The first sentence was Steve Hodges (Artist Development) and the rest was Ken Rebold (EVP/COO).
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 5, 2015 11:58:11 GMT -5
I agree with you sabre14 that I can never see Tyler Farr ascending to that top tier, and I've been of the opinion for awhile now (ever since "Redneck Crazy" hit) that his career would not be a long-lasting one full of big hits. I could see him being all but gone from the spotlight in 5 years.
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Post by smokebreak on Sept 6, 2015 9:18:59 GMT -5
I agree with you sabre14 that I can never see Tyler Farr ascending to that top tier, and I've been of the opinion for awhile now (ever since "Redneck Crazy" hit) that his career would not be a long-lasting one full of big hits. I could see him being all but gone from the spotlight in 5 years. Your wrong. Tyler will reign in a few years.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 6, 2015 14:23:18 GMT -5
I agree with you sabre14 that I can never see Tyler Farr ascending to that top tier, and I've been of the opinion for awhile now (ever since "Redneck Crazy" hit) that his career would not be a long-lasting one full of big hits. I could see him being all but gone from the spotlight in 5 years. Your wrong. Tyler will reign in a few years. He's not wrong, it's an opinion. And unless you have a crystal ball and can see the future, you can't say he will reign in the future as if it's a fact.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 10, 2015 17:00:36 GMT -5
And now this one has fallen off too. We going to see a rebound or is this a double misfire?
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