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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 27, 2016 16:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 27, 2016 19:51:39 GMT -5
I'm curious by what you mean by this (the bolded part). I'm assuming you mean that it's less likely for someone with vocal training to suffer an injury like this, but I just wanted to make sure I was understanding it correctly. In any case, well wishes to Tyler. I'm not really a fan of his voice or his music, but hopefully his recovery goes well. yes, not only does he know technique but he should be more attuned to when something is very wrong. Then again, quite a few classical vocalists do experience problems 'cause of demand of the gigs.
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Post by bksouthga on Jan 27, 2016 21:31:30 GMT -5
^ I believe that John Berry, who is about as good a singer as any we've had in country music, had polyp removal surgery a number of years ago. And I'm sure he is not the only one.
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Post by LBTrocks on Jan 27, 2016 21:48:56 GMT -5
Jimi Westbrook also had a polyp removed earlier this year. Keith Urban had to have surgery as well. In the pop world, Tove Lo and Adele have also had vocal surgery. Knowing how to use your voice properly reduces the risk, but it's never eliminated. All singers run the risk of developing polyps, classically trained or not.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 27, 2016 22:08:20 GMT -5
^ I believe that John Berry, who is about as good a singer as any we've had in country music, had polyp removal surgery a number of years ago. And I'm sure he is not the only one. So many have. My point was Tyler knows vocals better because of training and should've gotten help at the first sign of trouble.
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Post by bksouthga on Jan 27, 2016 23:00:06 GMT -5
^ I believe that John Berry, who is about as good a singer as any we've had in country music, had polyp removal surgery a number of years ago. And I'm sure he is not the only one. So many have. My point was Tyler knows vocals better because of training and should've gotten help at the first sign of trouble. While I don't know anything about what sort of training Tyler has had (or John either, for that matter) I have a little bit of a hard time believing that.
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Post by rsmatto on Jan 28, 2016 9:04:25 GMT -5
So many have. My point was Tyler knows vocals better because of training and should've gotten help at the first sign of trouble. While I don't know anything about what sort of training Tyler has had (or John either, for that matter) I have a little bit of a hard time believing that. Tyler was trained to be a classical singer. They would most-definitely know if something was wrong before others. It's really not that big a deal but chances are Tyler prolonged the recovery because he sang so long last summer/fall when he first felt it.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 28, 2016 11:11:16 GMT -5
^ I believe that John Berry, who is about as good a singer as any we've had in country music, had polyp removal surgery a number of years ago. And I'm sure he is not the only one. Don't forget, John Berry had brain surgery the SAME week Your Love Amazes Me became his only chart topping hit in 1994.
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Post by bksouthga on Jan 28, 2016 12:43:14 GMT -5
And as I keep implying, I've just got to think that Tyler's current vocal style (not his operatic past) would greatly exacerbate the problem.
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Post by LBTrocks on Jan 30, 2016 21:38:19 GMT -5
I don't think it's necessarily fair to say that a classically trained singer "should've known better" than to allow things to get to the point of requiring surgery. By this logic, singers with any kind of formal training (classical or otherwise) should be able to avoid getting a polyp, and that just isn't the case. That would essentially be the equivalent to saying a doctor should always be able to avoid catching a cold because of their medical training.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 16:42:35 GMT -5
Is it wrong to say that this is struggling it feels like it hasn't made much progress lately.
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 7, 2016 16:45:16 GMT -5
Is it wrong to say that this is struggling it feels like it hasn't made much progress lately. You'd be correct. 23 weeks on and it's at #26.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 7:49:30 GMT -5
Forget about this one struggling "Better In Boots" is looking to possibly go recurrent on BB this week. Tyler has lost around 500K in audience this week maybe it's even more and with this being over 20 weeks old "Better In Boots" is definitely eligible to leave. The rest of the week will be more telling but it's not looking good at all. Edit: sabre14 do you think there's a chance Tyler Farr can go recurrent.
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Post by dm2081 on Feb 12, 2016 11:17:44 GMT -5
I doubt this one is going to go recurrent, though I admit I haven't been following its updates closely. I think it may have just had a tough patch, but this song has been steadily climbing for weeks. The sales are quite good for this one too almost surprisingly. I don't know if this will be another #1 for Tyler, but I feel pretty confident this will make the top 10. What will help is some of these old songs on Billboard finally going recurrent.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 12, 2016 13:32:17 GMT -5
The audience loss for "Better In Boots" is about 600k since Sunday/Monday, which is pretty brutal to be honest. Tyler's song hasn't exactly been blazing a trail lately but it has been having a rather average climb up the chart. I say Billboard would pull this one if it loses more audience over the weekend but if Columbia's promotion staff can gain a little back the next couple days, I don't think it'll be sent recurrent.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 14, 2016 14:16:30 GMT -5
"Better In Boots" lost 1.1 million in total Mediabase audience this week, so I guess this can/will go recurrent on Billboard. The thing is Tyler's song only lost 38 net spins on MB this week, with 40 of them coming in today's update. I just find this song's horrible week a little perplexing since it was only 24 weeks old (the fact I think 24 weeks old is a positive tells you how warped my mind is with the singles charts these days, but I digress). The audience losses were not from Westwood One, or some big market station that contributes substantial audience totals like KKBQ, KKGO, etc..
We should know exactly what's up with this one over the next two days but I'll be all for this song going away as soon as possible.
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Post by Zazie on Feb 14, 2016 15:02:02 GMT -5
I think of predicting which songs will go recurrent as more of an art than a science, except for the really obvious ones (hello, Brad). So for songs that are in the middle as far as audience losses go -- maybe down 600k or maybe as much as 1 mill -- I try to use spins as a rough double-check. If the song is down 100 or more spins on MB for the week (as of Monday morning), I figure it's leaving. If the song is down 50 or fewer, and has a plausible claim that it's "still being promoted," then I expect to see a grace week. And if it's in between, well, anything can happen. Other factors include whether the song is rallying from a bad start to the week, or getting worse as the week goes on.
And then there's the general unreliability of BB these last couple of years. But that doesn't tell me which kind of mistake they'll make.
All week long I've had Farr's song penciled in for a grace week, but today's 325k loss, while not a freefall, makes me change my mind. The song's more than a mill down, but if you translate from MB to BB you cut that loss so it's not quite at a full million lost -- in the middle zone. But if the song doesn't rally tomorrow -- and I don't think it can -- then I'm going to think it's leaving us. It's not going to have a huge spins loss but all the other factors make me think it's leaving. A modest 25 or 30 spins lost will be enough for me to be confident that, yes, this one's leaving. But a spins gain overnight, or an audience rally, will move me back into the "grace week" column.
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Post by dm2081 on Feb 14, 2016 15:27:00 GMT -5
All I can say is that if this really does go recurrent, then pulling "Withdrawals" for this has got to be one of the worst single decisions I have ever seen.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 16, 2016 20:27:50 GMT -5
"Better In Boots" only lost about 600k in Billboard audience and Tyler stays on the chart this week.
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Post by robenglund on Feb 17, 2016 13:51:40 GMT -5
I'm curious as to why this has been struggling recently. I hear it on the radio all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 20:26:23 GMT -5
I'm curious as to why this has been struggling recently. I think it's mostly due to the fact that we've seen a lot of new singles hitting the chart lately (with tons more on the way), and as a result it's not unheard of for an older song (like "Better In Boots") that's been stuck in medium rotation for a while to sort of flat-line for a bit, mainly due to the fact that it's not very high up on the short list of songs that radio is ready to convert into higher rotation. In other words, even though this one has been selling fairly well (better than I thought it would), it's been hurt by the fact that it's taken 25 weeks to get into the mid 20's, whereas other songs like "You Should Be Here", "Drunk On Your Love", "Nobody To Blame", "Snapback", "My Church", "Think Of You", "Somewhere On A Beach", "Humble and Kind", "Fix", "Shut Up And Fish", and "It All Started With A Beer" are essentially more 'in demand' by both radio and the fans, and therefore radio has been more willing to convert them into higher rotation (more quickly than songs like "Better In Boots", "Night's On Fire", "Stone Cold Sober", "Little Bit Of You", "That Don't Sound Like You", etc.) and as a result, we chart-watchers have seen them move more quickly up the chart. The charts are very cyclical or momentum-based in that way, where one thing leads to another. This is a pretty simplistic view, of course, but I think the logic is pretty sound. A lot of the slower-moving songs are the 2nd/3rd singles from lower-level artists, whereas a lot of the faster-climbing songs are the 1st/2nd singles from B-list and A-list artists. There are exceptions, such as "Snapback", "My Church", Fix", and "Shut Up And Fish", but I feel like those can be explained. "My Church" of course has seen accelerated airplay due to its selection as the iHeartRadio On The Verge song, and then I feel like both Old Dominion and Maddie & Tae have more 'hype' within the country radio industry than Tyler Farr does. And finally "Fix" is the first single from a promising (in radio's eyes, not mine) new indie label that's on the rise and has quite a bit of hype itself. I hear it on the radio all the time. Through last week I hadn't been hearing "Better In Boots" on the radio much at all, and then suddenly I heard it 6 times on Monday morning alone (every station around here was suddenly spinning it) and a bunch more times yesterday as well. I knew it was struggling all of last week (and in danger of going recurrent) so I found it funny that I was suddenly hearing it a bunch. I doubt it's a coincidence -- I'm sure that the Columbia Nashville promo team is working extra hard to get this one moving a bit better. None of the stations around here are on the Billboard or Mediabase panel, but a label obviously will want their songs to get played on as many stations as possible, whether the stations are in big markets or small ones.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 18, 2016 10:11:03 GMT -5
Columbia Nashville is still in this single for the long haul. "Better In Boots" has increased 100 spins and over 800k in audience over the past two days.
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Post by dm2081 on Mar 4, 2016 11:56:55 GMT -5
It's kind of baffling that this song is getting so much resistance from radio right now. It's currently at #102 on the iTunes All-Genre chart, which is pretty good considering it's level of airplay. I know this one has been charting for a while, but so have a lot of songs that radio pushes all the way too the top (I'm looking at you Chase Bryant). This is exactly the type of song that radio normally loves to play and its not very polarizing at all. Hopefully with a bunch of songs set to go recurrent this one can pick some spins up because things aren't looking too promising right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 21:56:54 GMT -5
I definitely am not surprised that this song is struggling. If you look at the chart right now there is a lot of competition, whether it be hot selling singles, ("Humble and Kind", "My Church", "You Should Be Here", "Somewhere On A Beach", "Drunk On Your Love", "Head Over Boots" and "Think Of You") artists with a lot of momentum or radio loves to play ("Shut Up & Fish", "Snapback", "Mind Reader", "Confession", "Real Men Love Jesus" "From The Ground Up" "Record Year" "It All Started With A Beer" "You Look Like I Need A Drink" and "Fix") or songs that will fight till the very end ("Little Bit Of You" and "That Don't Sound Like You" and "Nights On Fire") It's legitimately why I'm not surprised to see this "Stone Cold Sober" "Hole In A Bottle" "Running For You" or not making much progress for the past few weeks as Brantley song is from albums that are pretty old (I know it was a reissue or something but I don't think that matters) Tyler simply doesn't have that much momentum since the whole "Withdrawals" situation, Canaan Smith is from an album that didn't sell all that well at all along with the single and Kip Moore simply seems to have just gotten lost in the shuffle again.
I can see "Better In Boots" maybe lasting another month but anything beyond that will be stretching it.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Mar 8, 2016 0:19:54 GMT -5
I am not as educated on the Billboard Airplay Chart as some others. Is it rare or common for a Single ("Better In Boots") to gain 3 spots (up from 29 to 26) and either lose or not gain a bullet? I thought that seemed odd, but thought I would just ask.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 0:39:37 GMT -5
I am not as educated on the Billboard Airplay Chart as some others. Is it rare or common for a Single ("Better In Boots") to gain 3 spots (up from 29 to 26) and either lose or not gain a bullet? I thought that seemed odd, but thought I would just ask. It's not super common, but it's not super rare, either. Tyler only lost a little audience (hence, no bullet), and he was able to move to #26 since 3 songs went recurrent and also because none of the songs behind him were able to move ahead. I think Frankie Ballard and Eric Church will pass Tyler next week, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Blake's new one debut ahead of Tyler, too. "Break On Me" and "Die A Happy Man" will probably go recurrent (at least one of them will for sure)...it's too soon to know if any others will drop off, though.
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Post by someguy on Mar 13, 2016 3:27:21 GMT -5
This might go recurrent this week, but I bet that it hangs on. It's in pretty rough shape, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 10:51:11 GMT -5
It looks like "Better In Boots" will probably go recurrent as Tyler hasn't seen much of anything in terms of gains. If I was Sony I would drop this song and wait to release a new lead single for a little bit. "Better In Boots" probably won't achieve anything more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 13:14:29 GMT -5
It looks like "Better In Boots" will probably go recurrent as Tyler hasn't seen much of anything in terms of gains. If I was Sony I would drop this song and wait to release a new lead single for a little bit. "Better In Boots" probably won't achieve anything more. Sure enough, with today's update I can confidently say "Better In Boots" is done. A loss of 88 spins and over 200k in audience today alone signifies, that this song is finally done. I'm amazed actually for hwo long it spent in the 26-29 range, it's been there since the beginning of the year.
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Post by someguy on Mar 14, 2016 20:43:13 GMT -5
Billboard gave this a second consecutive grace week, as it holds bulletless at #26.
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