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Post by Mazo on Nov 26, 2015 0:59:27 GMT -5
Adele can teach so many lessons, but the one this should teach Ariana is to build some hype first girl. Let them miss you a little bit. This is an absolutely terrible lesson for most acts, but especially for a track record with someone like Ariana, a new(ish) act who has had a string of singles, but lower album sales than acts with similar strings. The key is to build a catalog and brand, and in today's industry, the faster you start on that the better. This song just didn't hit the way her past ones did, but there was absolutely nothing wrong about its timing. With the song that clicked, she could have spent the entire winter in the top 10. This girl just doesn't appeal to people her own age and older. She's not a young cute male singer with legions of tween fans running out to buy her album just because she's cute, that's part of the reason why she doesn't sell well. She has got to drop the Radio Disney sound fast. Focus was a huge step back from Love Me Harder and the little maturity she showed on ME. Focus' cheesiness is up there with Baby by Justin Bieber. LOL Even Bieber has matured.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 2:44:49 GMT -5
This is an absolutely terrible lesson for most acts, but especially for a track record with someone like Ariana, a new(ish) act who has had a string of singles, but lower album sales than acts with similar strings. The key is to build a catalog and brand, and in today's industry, the faster you start on that the better. This song just didn't hit the way her past ones did, but there was absolutely nothing wrong about its timing. With the song that clicked, she could have spent the entire winter in the top 10. This girl just doesn't appeal to people her own age and older. She's not a young cute male singer with legions of tween fans running out to buy her album just because she's cute, that's part of the reason why she doesn't sell well. She has got to drop the Radio Disney sound fast. Focus was a huge step back from Love Me Harder and the little maturity she showed on ME. Focus' cheesiness is up there with Baby by Justin Bieber. LOL Even Bieber has matured. Um Einstein this would apply to every pop female! Its not like Katy Perry is slingin' some big ole peen on the down low ! or are you trying to tell me Katy doesnt do cheese or is mature pop? If thats the case inbetween your self grooming moments listen to "Roar" that should give you plenty of time .Hell even legends served up cutesy cheese and got success from it. Not everyone wants to hear a depressing , mature Alanis or Adele (why do the A's be so angry?) anyways come up with something else!
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 26, 2015 3:23:27 GMT -5
This will be one of those forgotten underperforming singles that no one will remember it even happened once the next single smashes. It's just one of those harmless semiflops that don't harm an artist's career at all. You're probably right.. but she has to deliver a proper song next too.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 26, 2015 9:32:42 GMT -5
This will be one of those forgotten underperforming singles that no one will remember it even happened once the next single smashes. It's just one of those harmless semiflops that don't harm an artist's career at all. Yeah, this song is already forgotten. Very similar to Rihanna's flops that come and go so fast, nobody remembers. She'll be fine, but she better come back with something better.
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Post by Mazo on Nov 26, 2015 21:28:35 GMT -5
This girl just doesn't appeal to people her own age and older. She's not a young cute male singer with legions of tween fans running out to buy her album just because she's cute, that's part of the reason why she doesn't sell well. She has got to drop the Radio Disney sound fast. Focus was a huge step back from Love Me Harder and the little maturity she showed on ME. Focus' cheesiness is up there with Baby by Justin Bieber. LOL Even Bieber has matured. Um Einstein this would apply to every pop female! Its not like Katy Perry is slingin' some big ole peen on the down low ! or are you trying to tell me Katy doesnt do cheese or is mature pop? If thats the case inbetween your self grooming moments listen to "Roar" that should give you plenty of time .Hell even legends served up cutesy cheese and got success from it. Not everyone wants to hear a depressing , mature Alanis or Adele (why do the A's be so angry?) anyways come up with something else! Einstein? gurl what?! I am so freaking tired of you stans jumping on me every time I say something. First it was about Focus not being relatable and now it's because I said she makes childish music. We all have opinions, accept mine like an adult and move on. Clearly I'm not the only one having this issue with Ariana's immaturity with the frequent questions about her childish looks and immature music. No one said she had to make music like Adele's. I don't listen to Katy Perry, but her music is maturer than Ariana's. Katy also has sexual appeal unlike Ariana, which is probably why she's able to sell her trash music better than Ariana. I don't have to come up with shit, you come up off of quoting me. Da fuck?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 21:34:27 GMT -5
Um Einstein this would apply to every pop female! Its not like Katy Perry is slingin' some big ole peen on the down low ! or are you trying to tell me Katy doesnt do cheese or is mature pop? If thats the case inbetween your self grooming moments listen to "Roar" that should give you plenty of time .Hell even legends served up cutesy cheese and got success from it. Not everyone wants to hear a depressing , mature Alanis or Adele (why do the A's be so angry?) anyways come up with something else! Einstein? gurl what?! I am so freaking tired of you stans jumping on me every time I say something. First it was about Focus not being relatable and now it's because I said she makes childish music. We all have opinions, accept mine like an adult and move on. Clearly I'm not the only one having this issue with Ariana's immaturity with the frequent questions about her childish looks and immature music. No one said she had to make music like Adele's. I don't listen to Katy Perry, but her music is maturer than Ariana's. Katy also has sexual appeal unlike Ariana, which is probably why she's able to sell her trash music better than Ariana. I don't have to come up with s**t, you come up off of quoting me. Da f**k?! There's a tinge of irony in you saying "we all have opinions" then berating someone for having one just because it disagrees with yours. Also Coco is not an Ariana stan. You're just that off base. Or a really, really low-brow troll; I can't decide. Either way, you spend far too much of your time bitching about Ariana. Go do something useful with yourself.
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Post by toomuchboy on Nov 26, 2015 23:41:43 GMT -5
Katy has as much sex appeal as a blow-up doll.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 27, 2015 6:18:11 GMT -5
Oh.
POP: 15 13 ARIANA GRANDE Focus 7886 7420 466 41.191
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RHYTHMIC: 15 14 ARIANA GRANDE Focus 2582 2320 262 9.097
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Post by Bhad Bill on Nov 27, 2015 8:32:33 GMT -5
Adele can teach so many lessons, but the one this should teach Ariana is to build some hype first girl. Let them miss you a little bit. This is an absolutely terrible lesson for most acts, but especially for a track record with someone like Ariana, a new(ish) act who has had a string of singles, but lower album sales than acts with similar strings. The key is to build a catalog and brand, and in today's industry, the faster you start on that the better. This song just didn't hit the way her past ones did, but there was absolutely nothing wrong about its timing. With the song that clicked, she could have spent the entire winter in the top 10. My bad, I probably should have clarified my opinion before you declared it "absolutely terrible". As a 22 year old male consumer, I believe myself to be very well informed on the music industry, and I buy all my music in order to hopefully influence the charts to the best of my ability. I do not respond well to a manufactured artist pushing out songs, and I am less likely to buy a single or album if it appears heavily processed, uncreative, greedy, and pushed out repeatedly year after year. This turned me off to artists like Rihanna (except she totally fixed that, haha) One Direction, and now Ariana. After reading your opinion, I realized that you are totally right, and that my mentality is not shared by the rest of the buying public (tweens, children, young adults) who will basically consume anything an artist puts out, so the quicker the better. Adele has proven to be an exception to the rule, but I do believe that waiting can work when an established act waits. I guess my mistake was wanting to put Ariana in that category?
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 27, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -5
Adele has proven to be an exception to the rule, but I do believe that waiting can work when an established act waits. I guess my mistake was wanting to put Ariana in that category? Yes, I believe that was a mistake. Ariana has had two gold cds essentially. A slew of hits, but pretty low cd sales and, at times, I would argue the hits were pretty "quiet" ones as well. She is very far from being Adele who has the strength of 19 and 21 behind her (21 obviously a juggernaut, but even 19 sold more than Ariana's cds and got her pretty serious music industry attention). She is even pretty far from people like Katy or Rihanna who have years upon years upon years upon years of megahits behind them now and multiple huge cds. Ariana has a way to go before she can consider herself truly established. It could happen, of course and she has the talent for it. I agree, in other ways, with what you said though. However, I would also say the bigger issue is the fact that Focus is an obvious rehash pushed not for any reason except to try to get a lazy hit. Like, they basically just redid Problem hoping that fans wouldn't notice and that is really lazy. If she put out a great song, then I would have no complaints about timing. I think this is why I would not put Rihanna in your category either. Rihanna, beyond a certain point, was at least putting out music that was just on trend/before trend and showed some creativity. She has released a lot of great pop songs that weren't just rehashes of her last hit. In my opinion of course. Ariana will still get a minor hit out of this and come out with something better next year so I am not too worried about her career at the moment.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Nov 27, 2015 10:31:45 GMT -5
Katy has as much sex appeal as a blow-up doll. They sell like hotcakes though.
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Post by wjr15 on Nov 27, 2015 14:13:52 GMT -5
The difference between Katy and Ariana is that Katy has a bigger fan base. Katy and Ariana both do cheesy pop songs but Katy gained many stans and massive worldwide success during the TD era which helped solidify her as someone who can release a song like Roar and get huge sales from the huge worldwide fan base she created. Ariana hasn't had a massive era that has solidified her as a global superstar who can get big sales and radio airplay from any cheesy song they release. The My Everything era did well and definitely built her fan base, but she hasn't had that moment where she can be a global superstar where she can sell songs and get radio airplay on just her name.
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Post by Keelzit on Nov 27, 2015 19:06:36 GMT -5
The difference between Katy and Ariana is that Katy has a bigger fan base. Katy and Ariana both do cheesy pop songs but Katy gained many stans and massive worldwide success during the TD era This makes no sense. There's a reason why Katy has a bigger fan base as you say and why TD was such a huge success. It didn't just happen. Perhaps because of better songs, memorable videos, who knows? It's naive to say that Ari is currently not as big as Katy just because she hasn't had that moment yet and hope that it'll come magically out of nowhere. Bottom line is that she needs better songs and creativity if she wants to be put onto the same pedestal as Katy, Riri, Taylor, etc.
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 27, 2015 21:11:06 GMT -5
This is an absolutely terrible lesson for most acts, but especially for a track record with someone like Ariana, a new(ish) act who has had a string of singles, but lower album sales than acts with similar strings. The key is to build a catalog and brand, and in today's industry, the faster you start on that the better. This song just didn't hit the way her past ones did, but there was absolutely nothing wrong about its timing. With the song that clicked, she could have spent the entire winter in the top 10. My bad, I probably should have clarified my opinion before you declared it "absolutely terrible". As a 22 year old male consumer, I believe myself to be very well informed on the music industry, and I buy all my music in order to hopefully influence the charts to the best of my ability. I do not respond well to a manufactured artist pushing out songs, and I am less likely to buy a single or album if it appears heavily processed, uncreative, greedy, and pushed out repeatedly year after year. This turned me off to artists like Rihanna (except she totally fixed that, haha) One Direction, and now Ariana. After reading your opinion, I realized that you are totally right, and that my mentality is not shared by the rest of the buying public (tweens, children, young adults) who will basically consume anything an artist puts out, so the quicker the better. Adele has proven to be an exception to the rule, but I do believe that waiting can work when an established act waits. I guess my mistake was wanting to put Ariana in that category? There is a difference between an opinion, and plain common sense. Parts of the original post I quoted, and this one, lack the latter. The "I buy music to influence charts" is just nonsensical and irrelevant altogether. I also detect some self superiority, especially the part that tries to talk about "manufactured artists" and "appears heavily processed, etc." Which is...while not a very uncommon outlook, it is one that makes a lot of assumptions that are simply silly and just reek of ego stroking than an actual substantive opinion on music or the industry. It's what's used to hoard sheep that won't think actual thoughts through. Beyond all that though, "Established act" can mean several different things depending on the act, their intended audience, style of music, etc.. If you're along the lines of Josh Groban and the majority of your audience is 40+, who generally have a smaller exposure to music both in style and quantity, chances are they're fine waiting a few years for the same/similarly styled AC ballads they heard 4 years ago. For most other acts, especially where the market is extremely competitive and is known for higher turnover than other genres, it is not a good move. Drake is an act who is very established and successful, but a high release schedule is part of that success, and makes great sense given that the genres he appeals to have more material thrown at them at a faster rate. When Lil Wayne really broke big, it was the culmination of hype from a lot of material that had been released prior. Taylor Swift has gotten where she is significantly by never really being gone too long from her fans with long album campaigns and even how the Target tracks get released later. For an act like Ariana, who started with a young audience that naturally would have followed her from Nickelodeon, there is always the inevitable struggle of just how much of that you can take with you. Could they jettison everything and start from scratch? Yeah, but it'd be a terrible idea. Not just that, it's be an "absolutely terrible" idea. Most acts are beyond lucky to gain a following that allows them a second hit, let alone a string like she has. Abandoning it completely is unwise. Even more unwise would be to jettison a successful avenue for an alternate based on an extreme anomaly. You'd think after Rihanna, who got this criticism constantly and her brand now stands virtually independent on how her last single, or even 2 or 3 singles, have done, people would have learned to let dated perceptions finally slip away, but alas...
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 28, 2015 7:37:59 GMT -5
POP: 15 13 ARIANA GRANDE Focus 7996 7430 566 41.927
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Post by Mack on Nov 28, 2015 11:57:01 GMT -5
I just want this to go Top 10 on radio because then it can officially be considered a hit- Top 10 on the Hot 100 and pop radio, decent sales, a successful video, and so on. Then they can move on to the next single in the new year.
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Post by divasummer on Nov 28, 2015 13:30:16 GMT -5
Hmm, is this making a comeback or is this a song that was gaining on the stations that became CHR stations from a Rythmic one?? I noticed yesterday it was num.20 on ITunes too which isn't that bad.
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Post by Clauss on Nov 28, 2015 14:28:31 GMT -5
Hmm, is this making a comeback or is this a song that was gaining on the stations that became CHR stations from a Rythmic one?? I noticed yesterday it was num.20 on ITunes too which isn't that bad. A lot of songs got great updates today even if they were peaking before (OOM for example)
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Post by divasummer on Nov 28, 2015 14:44:51 GMT -5
Hmm, is this making a comeback or is this a song that was gaining on the stations that became CHR stations from a Rythmic one?? I noticed yesterday it was num.20 on ITunes too which isn't that bad. A lot of songs got great updates today even if they were peaking before (OOM for example) What's "OOM"? It's actually been a couple of good days for "Focus" that's why I thought maybe it had to do with the panel change because she's doing well at Rythmic. I'm still Loving the song so I hope it continues.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 28, 2015 15:10:49 GMT -5
OOM = On My Mind I also want this to just make the top 10. It can defy the call-out and become a big pop smash or it can get top 10 and die I just want it to get there LOL.
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Post by Mack on Nov 28, 2015 15:16:41 GMT -5
It can defy the call-out and become a big pop smash or it can get top 10 and die I just want it to get there LOL. Exactly! I don't care if it peaks at #10 and then drops like a rock; I just want it to get in there. The first option would be preferable, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 15:18:04 GMT -5
Mack i think the people who told me that you were a "jerk" are so wrong. I like your posts now!
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Post by Mack on Nov 29, 2015 15:30:14 GMT -5
Mack i think the people who told me that you were a "jerk" are so wrong. I like your posts now! Me? A jerk?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 15:31:12 GMT -5
Mack i think the people who told me that you were a "jerk" are so wrong. I like your posts now! Me? A jerk? Good news not anymore! I don't see it at all. Let those aliases eat their words!
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Post by Mack on Nov 29, 2015 15:34:49 GMT -5
Me? A jerk? Good news not anymore! I don't see it at all. Let those aliases eat their words! Aw, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 15:37:40 GMT -5
Look at all the positivism in the Ariana thread. That is rare!
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Post by The Upper Hand on Nov 29, 2015 15:42:49 GMT -5
Look at all the positivism in the Ariana thread. That is rare! Epic avatar, keep it! haha
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 15:43:01 GMT -5
Einstein? gurl what?! I am so freaking tired of you stans jumping on me every time I say something. First it was about Focus not being relatable and now it's because I said she makes childish music. We all have opinions, accept mine like an adult and move on. Clearly I'm not the only one having this issue with Ariana's immaturity with the frequent questions about her childish looks and immature music. No one said she had to make music like Adele's. I don't listen to Katy Perry, but her music is maturer than Ariana's. Katy also has sexual appeal unlike Ariana, which is probably why she's able to sell her trash music better than Ariana. I don't have to come up with s**t, you come up off of quoting me. Da f**k?! I deliberately waited a few days to respond to show you that i really don't care. You might think you read me but i was giggling since November, 26, 2016 approx 15:28:35 GMT. All i got from that post and unusual level of defensive activity is that I was right. Now excuse me while i look cute and never respond again to petty stuff again. Happy holidays to you and yours xo
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 15:43:32 GMT -5
Look at all the positivism in the Ariana thread. That is rare! Epic avatar, keep it! haha Thanks darling focus on how amazing it is! Merci beaucoup. Glad to see my avatar is a bonafide smash!
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Post by Positive Tension on Nov 29, 2015 17:11:25 GMT -5
The chorus is beginning to grow on me. It's not at the level of the great verses, but it's enough to keep the momentum going for me.
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