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Post by defying gravity on Sept 5, 2015 21:38:33 GMT -5
It's funny because that version wasn't even the same one I heard on the radio. The one I heard on the radio wasn't any slower, and it actually had some country elements. I hope that slowed down version finds no place on the radio.
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Post by maine on Sept 5, 2015 21:41:22 GMT -5
It's funny because that version wasn't even the same one I heard on the radio. The one I heard on the radio wasn't any slower, and it actually had some country elements. I hope that slowed down version finds no place on the radio. Good. That's exactly what I wanted to hear lol. Glad it's not this.
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Post by robenglund on Sept 5, 2015 23:40:16 GMT -5
Yeah that's definitely the wrong link. There's no way that's the radio version cause of how terrible that sounded. The audio was over when the website said there's a minute left, so something is definitely wrong.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 6, 2015 7:53:46 GMT -5
It's funny that this isn't the first time I've heard Bob screw up a song. A couple years ago, he played a version of "Eight Second Ride" that was sped up about 10%; it was clearly faster and in a higher key. I e-mailed the show, and they told me that they realized they'd encoded the song incorrectly, so they deleted the sped-up version from their files and re-encoded it properly.
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Post by smokebreak on Sept 6, 2015 8:39:23 GMT -5
This song is horrible. I hope they actually have the country version. This is easily the worst track off the album, and even Zac Brown himself said this song was never going to be released...
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 6, 2015 14:20:59 GMT -5
This song is horrible. I hope they actually have the country version. This is easily the worst track off the album, and even Zac Brown himself said this song was never going to be released... Where did Zac say it would never be released? When they were making the album he was talking up the song saying "Beautiful Drug" could be a big crossover hit.
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Post by Kurt on Sept 8, 2015 20:48:27 GMT -5
The version sent through HitDisc today is 3:11 as well, but I haven't heard it to confirm if the audio's any different - if someone here gets those delivered to them, that's a good place to check.
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Post by bksouthga on Sept 8, 2015 23:55:57 GMT -5
Say what you want to, but there is NOBODY out there who is growing more musically, pushing themselves harder, or pushing the envelope further than ZBB. I haven't heard Jekyll and Hyde in its entirety but their last two albums were outstanding and this one seems to be as well. Country radio has always been embracing of other styles, at least in cycles, whether it be blues (Hank Sr.), Spanish western (Marty Robbins), outlaw country, pop (Kenny Rogers for example), disco pop (Exile), R&B (Ronnie Milsap), or lately R&B/hip-hop (Sam Hunt, among others). I certainly think theres room for this. As Tracy Lawrence said, "the only thing that stays the same is, everything changes".
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Post by straitouttanashville on Sept 9, 2015 10:07:45 GMT -5
Say what you want to, but there is NOBODY out there who is growing more musically, pushing themselves harder, or pushing the envelope further than ZBB. I haven't heard Jekyll and Hyde in its entirety but their last two albums were outstanding and this one seems to be as well. Country radio has always been embracing of other styles, at least in cycles, whether it be blues (Hank Sr.), Spanish western (Marty Robbins), outlaw country, pop (Kenny Rogers for example), disco pop (Exile), R&B (Ronnie Milsap), or lately R&B/hip-hop (Sam Hunt, among others). I certainly think theres room for this. As Tracy Lawrence said, "the only thing that stays the same is, everything changes". This song as is has no business on "Country Radio", and I love this song, it's an awesome song. I don't care if Sam Hunt has 20 "Country Radio" #1's. You make a good point that there are a lot of different genre type "Country" songs on the radio over the years. This in my opinion would be the absolute worst of them all. What would we be calling this, "Country EDM". Zac Brown of all people should know better, and he should stop calling out Luke Bryan and then making Electronic Dance Music for "Country Radio".
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Post by bksouthga on Sept 9, 2015 11:42:49 GMT -5
Say what you want to, but there is NOBODY out there who is growing more musically, pushing themselves harder, or pushing the envelope further than ZBB. I haven't heard Jekyll and Hyde in its entirety but their last two albums were outstanding and this one seems to be as well. Country radio has always been embracing of other styles, at least in cycles, whether it be blues (Hank Sr.), Spanish western (Marty Robbins), outlaw country, pop (Kenny Rogers for example), disco pop (Exile), R&B (Ronnie Milsap), or lately R&B/hip-hop (Sam Hunt, among others). I certainly think theres room for this. As Tracy Lawrence said, "the only thing that stays the same is, everything changes". This song as is has no business on "Country Radio", and I love this song, it's an awesome song. I don't care if Sam Hunt has 20 "Country Radio" #1's. You make a good point that there are a lot of different genre type "Country" songs on the radio over the years. This in my opinion would be the absolute worst of them all. What would we be calling this, "Country EDM". Zac Brown of all people should know better, and he should stop calling out Luke Bryan and then making Electronic Dance Music for "Country Radio". If I remember correctly Zac's objection to "That's My Kind of Night" was more related to subject matter not the format, although he did make a somewhat more general comment about "what passes for country radio". So if his comments were indeed directed at truck tailgates, hot selves, feel good stuff, etc. then I don't think it's hypocritical for him to release this.
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Post by sixofone on Sept 9, 2015 12:04:36 GMT -5
Here is the full Zac Brown quote from 2013:
As a fun exercise, replace "Luke Bryan" with "Zac Brown" and "My Kind Of Night" with "Beautiful Drug" in the quote above.
I know there are some on this board who like the album version of "Beautiful Drug," and that's great, but it is not a country song, and even as a dance song it is pretty generic (which is fine, since not every song on the radio needs to be a grand statement about life). Also, the use of Auto-Tune is an instant "no" vote for me, regardless of genre.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Sept 9, 2015 15:19:41 GMT -5
Zac Brown in his "Thats My Kind Of Night" rant says "in what is being called "Country Music"". As much as I hate to say it "Thats My Kind Of Night" is more of a "Country Song" than "Beautiful Drug" is. I personally like "Beautiful Drug" its different, well thought out, and overall a great song. "Beautiful Drug" is in no way shape or form a Country Song. I think the point here for me is Zac Brown should know the state of Country Radio in 2015. If he doesnt care thats for another thread. Someone like Zac Brown who knows history of Country Music shouldnt contribute to the mockary and emptiness that "Country Radio" has become. All these artists are acting like that Traditional Country Music has no place, its not fun/young and can't sell anymore. Zac Brown and his Band are talented enough to make great real/traditional Country songs that we all can enjoy. For right now its just easier to make cookie cutter "Bro-Country" songs ("Beautiful Drug" is not that by any means) and sell and make money. Its kind of sad in my opinion.
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Post by rjz on Sept 9, 2015 15:51:27 GMT -5
In Zac's defense I agree with bksouthga that his criticism about "That Kind of Night" was primarily about what a bad song it was- cliche and just yuck all around. And I agree with that 100%.
He is, of course, living in a glass house if he criticized the song for not being country. But I took him talking about the 'state' of country music as more a rant about meaningless, cliche party songs with Bro lyrics over and over about Daisy Dukes, tailgates, drinking, Southern Belles being hot (any woman-objectifying lyrics) than about a traditional country sound.
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Post by maine on Sept 9, 2015 16:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by straitouttanashville on Sept 9, 2015 19:21:52 GMT -5
In Zac's defense I agree with bksouthga that his criticism about "That Kind of Night" was primarily about what a bad song it was- cliche and just yuck all around. And I agree with that 100%. He is, of course, living in a glass house if he criticized the song for not being country. But I took him talking about the 'state' of country music as more a rant about meaningless, cliche party songs with Bro lyrics over and over about Daisy Dukes, tailgates, drinking, Southern Belles being hot (any woman-objectifying lyrics) than about a traditional country sound. I agree with you somewhat. I think both lyrics and sound are a problem on "Country Radio". I have to say I will take a traditional song about Trucks, Tailgates, Girls, Small Towns & Beer any day on my "Country Radio" rather than an EDM, R&B, Pop or Rap song. That said I get that your are saying totally, I just think Zac is now causing his own problems, and so is Luke Bryan.
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Post by bksouthga on Sept 9, 2015 20:11:51 GMT -5
In Zac's defense I agree with bksouthga that his criticism about "That Kind of Night" was primarily about what a bad song it was- cliche and just yuck all around. And I agree with that 100%. He is, of course, living in a glass house if he criticized the song for not being country. But I took him talking about the 'state' of country music as more a rant about meaningless, cliche party songs with Bro lyrics over and over about Daisy Dukes, tailgates, drinking, Southern Belles being hot (any woman-objectifying lyrics) than about a traditional country sound. I agree with you somewhat. I think both lyrics and sound are a problem on "Country Radio". I have to say I will take a traditional song about Trucks, Tailgates, Girls, Small Towns & Beer any day on my "Country Radio" rather than an EDM, R&B, Pop or Rap song. That said I get that your are saying totally, I just think Zac is now causing his own problems, and so is Luke Bryan. Oh, to have the kind of problems that Luke and Zac have!
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Post by bksouthga on Sept 9, 2015 20:27:44 GMT -5
Straitouttanashville, I apologize if that sounded snarky, but I do really mean that whatever we want to say about them causing problems for themselves, it certainly doesn't seem to be affecting their success, at least not negatively. My experience and knowledge of history tells me that Puritanism of any tradition has not usually won out. No matter how we try to be the lighthouse keepers or guardians of the gate or (insert metaphor here) things evolve. Until someone else comes in and makes traditional cool again, someone like George Strait or Alan Jackson or Johnny Cash, to use a few examples. It's true in other genres as well. Look at the neo-soul revival. Sharon Jones, St Paul & Broken Bones, even Bruno Mars has a very hip but retro vibe heartening back to yesteryear. Same thing happens in country every few years. It's a pendulum.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Sept 9, 2015 21:32:49 GMT -5
Straitouttanashville, I apologize if that sounded snarky, but I do really mean that whatever we want to say about them causing problems for themselves, it certainly doesn't seem to be affecting their success, at least not negatively. My experience and knowledge of history tells me that Puritanism of any tradition has not usually won out. No matter how we try to be the lighthouse keepers or guardians of the gate or (insert metaphor here) things evolve. Until someone else comes in and makes traditional cool again, someone like George Strait or Alan Jackson or Johnny Cash, to use a few examples. It's true in other genres as well. Look at the neo-soul revival. Sharon Jones, St Paul & Broken Bones, even Bruno Mars has a very hip but retro vibe heartening back to yesteryear. Same thing happens in country every few years. It's a pendulum. You didnt sound snarky at all, even if you did I'm got my big boy pants on, I can handle it. All kidding aside you make great points. I couldnt argue much of your post. I think we might all go the route of Luke and Zac if we had the opportunity. I think wothout realizing it I wasnt arguing in reality but in a vacuum. But I still believe "Country Radio" has a problem.
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Post by bksouthga on Sept 9, 2015 23:01:03 GMT -5
I attribute ZBB's continued success to several factors: 1. They are a pretty diverse bunch of musicians. As an example, I went to high school with Coy, and at that time he played and sang lead in a grunge rock band. After that, he went and studied Jazz at college, while soaking up quite a bit of blues, soul, and jam band music along the way. I was shocked when I first heard he had joined a "country band" but several albums later I totally get it. I'm sure the others have taken all kinds of paths to get there too. 2. They don't seem to put a whole lot of boundaries on themselves with the type of music they record and play live. Bohemian Rhapsody? Why not? 3. The record label arrangement they have with Big Machine apparently allows them a lot of creative freedom. Borchetta is definitely not a straight up country guy so he probably wants them to do whatever works for them. 4. Country radio is at a point on the pendulum swing where it is pretty tolerant at least among the A listers of non-traditional country. I'm not sure this would have worked in the early 90s for example.
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Post by robenglund on Sept 14, 2015 21:30:41 GMT -5
Anyone have a link to the radio version? I've never been so anxious to hear a radio edit lol.
Or can anyone tell me if the radio version is any different from the album version? I'm thinking that it won't be any different unfortunately.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 15, 2015 12:17:56 GMT -5
Anyone have a link to the radio version? I've never been so anxious to hear a radio edit lol. Or can anyone tell me if the radio version is any different from the album version? I'm thinking that it won't be any different unfortunately. As of right now there is not a radio edit that changes anything sonically on this. As for this single representing a man in a glass house, remember when Zac made those comments, 2013. He wasn't anywhere close to making the Jekyll+Hyde. So things have obviously changed for him since then. As for their label situation. BMLG has no say in Any of the Zac Brown Band's direction musically. Zac and only Zac (and his band) does.
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Post by sabre14 on Sept 15, 2015 12:38:54 GMT -5
Like Matt said, there hasn't been an "official" single edit sent to radio yet (perhaps length, but not the way the album version sounds). There's still time on them sending one out if they wish since the official add date is next week.
I haven't heard this on any radio station yet, so I won't be able to know for sure if they did change the radio version until I do.
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Post by sixofone on Sept 15, 2015 12:44:10 GMT -5
Here are a few quotes from programming directors about Thomas Rhett's "Crash and Burn" (from the "On The Charts" column in this week's Billboard Country Update):
"Yeah, so it’s not the countriest record...Listeners love it; that’s all that matters."
"Respectfully, I think that some well-meaning musicologists tend to overthink things. Our job has always been to serve music up listeners love, and they truly do with this song."
"We are enjoying an eclectic format with a lot of different sounds, so this song fits right in."
So, they're basically saying that genre means nothing? No wonder I've been listening to my USB stick country mix way more than my local country radio station in the car recently.
I'm sure these same programming directors will repeat the same comments when asked about songs like "Beautiful Drug," "Live Forever" and "Break Up In A Small Town."
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Post by mdouty on Sept 15, 2015 12:48:32 GMT -5
Here are a few quotes from programming directors about Thomas Rhett's "Crash and Burn" (from the "On The Charts" column in this week's Billboard Country Update):
"Yeah, so it’s not the countriest record...Listeners love it; that’s all that matters."
"Respectfully, I think that some well-meaning musicologists tend to overthink things. Our job has always been to serve music up listeners love, and they truly do with this song."
"We are enjoying an eclectic format with a lot of different sounds, so this song fits right in."
So, they're basically saying that genre means nothing? No wonder I've been listening to my USB stick country mix way more than my local country radio station in the car recently.
I'm sure these same programming directors will repeat the same comments when asked about songs like "Beautiful Drug," "Live Forever" and "Break Up In A Small Town." I know it's frustrating, but they're not wrong. They need listeners to keep their jobs. If listeners like those songs, they're going to play them. The listeners make sure they keep their jobs. If they "take a stand" and don't play those songs and ratings plummet because what they're now playing isn't "in" at the time, well that's not good for their stations.
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Post by sixofone on Sept 15, 2015 13:02:50 GMT -5
From the numbers I've seen, terrestrial country radio ratings are decreasing (not plummeting, but lower than a few years ago), due to other outlets for music (streaming, online, etc.) and perhaps a transition into a more "eclectic" (probably code for "younger") format.
Ultimately, country radio can play whatever it wants to play. However, I have the right to change the station.
For the last 10+ years I actively listened to new pop/dance music, I never listened to the local top 40 station -- I bought the songs I liked, many of which weren't even played on the radio, and made my own CD compilations for the car. That's exactly what I'm starting to do with country music now as well.
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Post by maine on Sept 15, 2015 13:23:21 GMT -5
You know, I hope they don't release a radio edit that changes the song because I know how much that irks you guys. :)
Seriously, I hate when people complain about how a song shouldn't be played on the radio because it's not their type, like the radio station revolves around a single individual. Don't like the song? Change the station. Simple as that.
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Post by sixofone on Sept 15, 2015 13:42:04 GMT -5
You know, I hope they don't release a radio edit that changes the song because I know how much that irks you guys. :) Seriously, I hate when people complain about how a song shouldn't be played on the radio because it's not their type, like the radio station revolves around a single individual. Don't like the song? Change the station. Simple as that.
I can only speak for myself, but I'm not "complaining" about "Beautiful Drug" because the song isn't my "type" -- I'm upset that a blatantly non-country song could very well be championed by country radio, further diminishing the meaning of "country music."
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Post by maine on Sept 15, 2015 15:23:25 GMT -5
You know, I hope they don't release a radio edit that changes the song because I know how much that irks you guys. :) Seriously, I hate when people complain about how a song shouldn't be played on the radio because it's not their type, like the radio station revolves around a single individual. Don't like the song? Change the station. Simple as that.
I can only speak for myself, but I'm not "complaining" about "Beautiful Drug" because the song isn't my "type" -- I'm upset that a blatantly non-country song could very well be championed by country radio, further diminishing the meaning of "country music."
Well this is the way that country music has been going to for the past few years, and it pretty much is the meaning of country music now, or at least a bit of it. It's just that people are going to have to learn to adapt to it, or keep listening to the older country music.
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Post by rsmatto on Sept 15, 2015 16:03:33 GMT -5
From the numbers I've seen, terrestrial country radio ratings are decreasing (not plummeting, but lower than a few years ago), due to other outlets for music (streaming, online, etc.) and perhaps a transition into a more "eclectic" (probably code for "younger") format. Ultimately, country radio can play whatever it wants to play. However, I have the right to change the station. For the last 10+ years I actively listened to new pop/dance music, I never listened to the local top 40 station -- I bought the songs I liked, many of which weren't even played on the radio, and made my own CD compilations for the car. That's exactly what I'm starting to do with country music now as well. By saying you make "CD compilations" you basically aged yourself anyway. Most people these days have playlists, if anything and Apple Music allows playlists of stuff that's not purchased as long as an active account "downloads" the songs (a la rhapsody). Terrestrial Radio is definitely going down because of transitions to streaming and satellite radio more than anything.
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Post by sixofone on Sept 15, 2015 16:19:30 GMT -5
From the numbers I've seen, terrestrial country radio ratings are decreasing (not plummeting, but lower than a few years ago), due to other outlets for music (streaming, online, etc.) and perhaps a transition into a more "eclectic" (probably code for "younger") format. Ultimately, country radio can play whatever it wants to play. However, I have the right to change the station. For the last 10+ years I actively listened to new pop/dance music, I never listened to the local top 40 station -- I bought the songs I liked, many of which weren't even played on the radio, and made my own CD compilations for the car. That's exactly what I'm starting to do with country music now as well. By saying you make "CD compilations" you basically aged yourself anyway. Most people these days have playlists, if anything and Apple Music allows playlists of stuff that's not purchased as long as an active account "downloads" the songs (a la rhapsody). Terrestrial Radio is definitely going down because of transitions to streaming and satellite radio more than anything. Yes, I'm definitely outside the current target demographic of country radio!! Luckily, I now have a car with a USB port, so I have a USB stick with hundreds of songs in various playlists to choose from if I don't like a song on the radio.
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