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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 8, 2015 16:37:03 GMT -5
trebor, I completely understand why you may have felt that Ten Pound Hammer's comment, "But with your take on the lyrics, I'm wondering if you're even listening to the same song that I am" was treating a differing interpretation of "Break Up in a Small Town"'s lyrics as unreasonable and crazy. And if that were the case, it would most certainly not advance conversation in a constructive way. But that particular comment capped a post in which Ten Pound Hammer explained his own interpretation of the lyrics and how it differs from zack97's interpretation, and he started off the last paragraph of his post by saying that he was puzzled by zack97's interpretation. So I don't think that he intended to be insulting. And to his credit, zack97 answered Ten Pound Hammer's challenge in an even-handed and even-tempered way. So I tend to think this is a case of less-than-ideal word choice because of the room it opens up for misinterpretation, not actual condescension. And that's an issue we can all be more alert to on these here intertubes.
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Post by trebor on Dec 8, 2015 16:47:44 GMT -5
trebor , I completely understand why you may have felt that Ten Pound Hammer 's comment, "But with your take on the lyrics, I'm wondering if you're even listening to the same song that I am" was treating a differing interpretation of "Break Up in a Small Town"'s lyrics as unreasonable and crazy. And if that were the case, it would most certainly not advance conversation in a constructive way. But that particular comment capped a post in which Ten Pound Hammer explained his own interpretation of the lyrics and how it differs from zack97 's interpretation, and he started off the last paragraph of his post by saying that he was puzzled by zack97 's interpretation. So I don't think that he intended to be insulting. And to his credit, zack97 answered Ten Pound Hammer 's challenge in an even-handed and even-tempered way. So I tend to think this is a case of less-than-ideal word choice because of the room it opens up for misinterpretation, not actual condescension. And that's an issue we can all be more alert to on these here intertubes. Thanks, Dudley. I like and respect both posters and I did understand the original meaning (and motivation) and that there was no bad intention behind it. It's just that we are educated enough not to use and tolerate such expressions regardless of the intent. I'm overbearing, I know. Have I been reported (again)?
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Post by Kat5Kind on Dec 8, 2015 16:49:06 GMT -5
I love the guy's songwriting skills, but I can't stand his vocal style. I like the imagery in this song, but I turn it off almost every time it comes on. It's a personal thing. Not everyone likes Sam.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 8, 2015 17:08:20 GMT -5
Have I been reported (again)? No, not at all. I just figured that I would post because there was a multi-post back and forth going and I'm sure that everyone (you included, since you said as much) would like to get back on topic. I'm not fond of the expression used in the context of a discussion/debate (especially on the internet), but on the other hand, there was a post I read (in a different thread) characterizing a certain discussion that left me thinking, "Well, I don't see where you're coming from on this unless I've been reading a different discussion than you have." So I'm prone to similar formulations, even if I don't post them, and therefore not all that comfortable judging people for thinking along those lines. Or maybe I should judge myself more, I don't know! In any event, I think a simple request to refrain from posting such expressions due to the possibility of misinterpretation/thread derailment is enough, hence my post. :)
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Post by carriekins on Dec 8, 2015 17:29:47 GMT -5
I love the guy's songwriting skills, but I can't stand his vocal style. I like the imagery in this song, but I turn it off almost every time it comes on. It's a personal thing. Not everyone likes Sam. I agree with this. I've said many times that I fully support Sam as a country songwriter, as I tend to like the imagery he uses. I just can't support HIS musical interpretations of his songs as country. And that's as much Shane McAnally's fault as Sam's.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 8, 2015 17:59:38 GMT -5
I think his music is usually pretty good in spite of his musical identity crisis by writing country songs but then performing them/having them produced in ways that are usually anything but... though this particular song I don't think is good at all. His last three singles were all fine and dandy, but I don't think this one is well-written at all and the comparison between the bit of lyrics from this vs. the lyrics from "I Met a Girl" only reinforced that for me because IMAG has so much more interesting lyrics. But even with thinking this one isn't all that well written, the melody and phrasing is the absolute worst thing about it. His rap-like delivery worked on "Take Your Time" but it doesn't work at all here, imo.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 9, 2015 14:02:34 GMT -5
I fear that "Break Up In A Small Town" will not be as polarizing as some are predicting and that this one will end up doing just fine on "country radio." If there ever a post I wish I was dead wrong about, it's this one. Unfortunately, "Break Up In A Small Town" is doing very well right now. It's of course selling fantastic (#31 all-genre), and has gained at least 350k in audience the past 10 days. The MB research though is just...wow. I'm sure there's many listeners who don't like this one but its not nearly as polarizing as some predicted. Its currently testing as the highest favorite on the chart on that particular call-out service and has the lowest burn rate. "Burning House", "Gonna Know We Were Here", "Smoke Break", "Gonna", "I Got The Boy", "Top Of The World", "Country Nation" and "We Went" all have nigher negative percentages than "Break Up In A Small Town." Just because it's country radio, it doesn't equate to country fans listening.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 21:00:59 GMT -5
I fear that "Break Up In A Small Town" will not be as polarizing as some are predicting and that this one will end up doing just fine on "country radio." If there ever a post I wish I was dead wrong about, it's this one. Unfortunately, "Break Up In A Small Town" is doing very well right now. It's of course selling fantastic (#31 all-genre), and has gained at least 350k in audience the past 10 days. The MB research though is just...wow. I'm sure there's many listeners who don't like this one but its not nearly as polarizing as some predicted. Its currently testing as the highest favorite on the chart on that particular call-out service and has the lowest burn rate. "Burning House", "Gonna Know We Were Here", "Smoke Break", "Gonna", "I Got The Boy", "Top Of The World", "Country Nation" and "We Went" all have nigher negative percentages than "Break Up In A Small Town." Just because it's country radio, it doesn't equate to country fans listening. BUIAST is obviously turning into another big hit for Sam, but it's hard to make conclusions from just one callout chart. For example, on the Bullseye callout charts (Bullseye Callout, Callout America, and RadioFeedback), BUIAST is all over the place. On Bullseye Callout, Sam is pretty much right in the middle -- #21 overall (out of 40). His "Like A Lot", "Total Positive", "Dislike", and "Fatigue" scores are all pretty much in line with most other current releases. On Callout America, BUIAST is at #18 overall (out of 35). Again, Sam's numbers in each column are pretty standard. His fatigue rate is 21.5 on Callout America, which is a little high, but most songs that are in the top 10 at radio are showing higher fatigue rates. Really, the only survey that BUIAST is doing poorly on is RadioFeedback. Sam is #28 there (out of 40), but his fatigue score of 30 is the highest by quite a bit. Only a few other artists (Jason, Tim, ZBB, A Thousand Horses, Cam, and Kelsea) are over 20 when it comes to fatigue. Callout charts can vary a lot and I don't think radio really pays much attention to national ones anyway. The funniest thing about the 3 Bullseye charts right now is just how different they are. For example, on Bullseye Callout, Jana Kramer's "I Got The Boy" is dead last, with a fatigue of nearly 40 (that's almost 3 times higher than most of the other songs listed on the survey). "I Got The Boy" is also dead last on Callout America with a fatigue score of over 40. But then on RadioFeedback, Jana is #1 overall with one of the lowest fatigue scores, and the highest "like a lot" score (48.1). Talk about some major discrepancies, lol. First on one chart for Jana, dead last on the other two.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 9, 2015 21:47:36 GMT -5
If there ever a post I wish I was dead wrong about, it's this one. Unfortunately, "Break Up In A Small Town" is doing very well right now. It's of course selling fantastic (#31 all-genre), and has gained at least 350k in audience the past 10 days. The MB research though is just...wow. I'm sure there's many listeners who don't like this one but its not nearly as polarizing as some predicted. Its currently testing as the highest favorite on the chart on that particular call-out service and has the lowest burn rate. "Burning House", "Gonna Know We Were Here", "Smoke Break", "Gonna", "I Got The Boy", "Top Of The World", "Country Nation" and "We Went" all have nigher negative percentages than "Break Up In A Small Town." Just because it's country radio, it doesn't equate to country fans listening. BUIAST is obviously turning into another big hit for Sam, but it's hard to make conclusions from just one callout chart. For example, on the Bullseye callout charts (Bullseye Callout, Callout America, and RadioFeedback), BUIAST is all over the place. On Bullseye Callout, Sam is pretty much right in the middle -- #21 overall (out of 40). His "Like A Lot", "Total Positive", "Dislike", and "Fatigue" scores are all pretty much in line with most other current releases. On Callout America, BUIAST is at #18 overall (out of 35). Again, Sam's numbers in each column are pretty standard. His fatigue rate is 21.5 on Callout America, which is a little high, but most songs that are in the top 10 at radio are showing higher fatigue rates. Really, the only survey that BUIAST is doing poorly on is RadioFeedback. Sam is #28 there (out of 40), but his fatigue score of 30 is the highest by quite a bit. Only a few other artists (Jason, Tim, ZBB, A Thousand Horses, Cam, and Kelsea) are over 20 when it comes to fatigue. Callout charts can vary a lot and I don't think radio really pays much attention to national ones anyway. The funniest thing about the 3 Bullseye charts right now is just how different they are. For example, on Bullseye Callout, Jana Kramer's "I Got The Boy" is dead last, with a fatigue of nearly 40 (that's almost 3 times higher than most of the other songs listed on the survey). "I Got The Boy" is also dead last on Callout America with a fatigue score of over 40. But then on RadioFeedback, Jana is #1 overall with one of the lowest fatigue scores, and the highest "like a lot" score (48.1). Talk about some major discrepancies, lol. First on one chart for Jana, dead last on the other two. I know that it isn't right to draw any conclusions from any one call-out service -- I just brought that one up because I found it just amazing how this song could be testing so well on any major call-out service, so that particular post was slanted but was backed by the fact that this song is doing great at radio. The fact that "Break Up In A Small Town" is gaining at such a fast rate and looks to be well on its way to be Sam's fourth #1 single is just discouraging to the current landscape at country radio, which admittedly, hasn't given much optimism of late in terms of allowing such sonically pop infused material to skyrocket up the airplay charts. Jana's staying alive because of her strong label promotion team that is being aided by her sale numbers. Sure she's had some high fatigue (her song is extremely old, so its totally understandable) but that hasn't stopped a label accomplishing a set goal (top 10), plus the fact it's the end of the year has helped since I'm sure radio will allow Warner to push her song until Christmas. You're right though; every call-out service is different, since they are asking feedback from different individuals after all, despite requesting the same demographics (gender/age).
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 9, 2015 22:53:42 GMT -5
I never expected this one to struggle and I've found the occasional comments I've seen that said this one had an iffy chart run to be confusing because this one has had a pretty swift and smooth rise up the charts. For a fourth single to be knocking on the door of the Top 10 after 2.5 months is crazy for someone who is in their debut era, even ignoring just how big his first three singles were. I wish this would've been the one for country radio to split hairs over and see it peak lower than his last three since I don't care for this one at all and it's the most obvious with its total genre-bending in sound, but this one has clearly been just as well-received by fans and country radio alike.
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Post by rjz on Dec 10, 2015 21:32:41 GMT -5
My radio station played an acoustic version of this song this morning and I couldn't believe my ears-it was quite good-great vocals (even with the talking parts) with country instrumentation. The DJs raved about it. They played the original on my drive home and it was quite the contrast-a completely different song; even with the same lyrics.
I am clueless why they didn't send that acoustic version to country radio (unless it is a very recent recording-or I missed news about it in this thread earlier). Wish this version was on the album I bought instead of the current single-one of the songs I don't like on this overall great debut.
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Post by bksouthga on Dec 11, 2015 0:58:00 GMT -5
I've seen a thread on this forum for unpopular opinions, and I have one, but am going to post it here on this song. I actually like it. I like the way that you hear the steel guitar, especially toward the end, on a song that definitely isn't country. Unlike a lot of others, I'm ok with pushing the envelope to see what types of music can be adapted and embraced into a country format. Say what you want, but Sam in particular is very adept at pushing these boundaries, and IMO he is very good at what he does.
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Post by Future Captain on Dec 11, 2015 7:52:03 GMT -5
My radio station played an acoustic version of this song this morning and I couldn't believe my ears-it was quite good-great vocals (even with the talking parts) with country instrumentation. The DJs raved about it. They played the original on my drive home and it was quite the contrast-a completely different song; even with the same lyrics. I am clueless why they didn't send that acoustic version to country radio (unless it is a very recent recording-or I missed news about it in this thread earlier). Wish this version was on the album I bought instead of the current single-one of the songs I don't like on this overall great debut. The acoustic version is from an acoustic EP he released somewhere around October/November
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Post by phil1996 on Dec 13, 2015 22:39:11 GMT -5
Think there will be a 5th single?
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Post by robenglund on Dec 14, 2015 13:46:08 GMT -5
If I had it my way I would re-release "Raised On It" kind of like what Chris Young did with "Voices" because it's actually pretty country sonically. Realistically I think this era will be over but if they do go with a fifth single, I think it'll be "Make You Miss Me".
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 14, 2015 13:51:18 GMT -5
"Make You Miss Me" or bust for the fifth single. It'd be the perfect way to wrap up the era with something a little different. I'd rather them just move on if it isn't going to be that.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Dec 14, 2015 14:09:32 GMT -5
I could totally see "Raised On It" working as a single, but my choice would be "Make You Miss Me"... it's one of my favorites on the album and it's pretty different from the other singles.
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Post by dm2081 on Dec 14, 2015 14:12:33 GMT -5
"Speakers" for 5th single please.
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Post by bigfan101 on Dec 14, 2015 14:16:07 GMT -5
"Speakers" for 5th single please. Only if duets with Danielle Bradbery (her version is FAR superior if you haven't heard it. I'd highly recommend it.)
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 14, 2015 14:21:07 GMT -5
"Raised On It" was never released to terrestrial radio; just Sirius/XM.
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Post by dm2081 on Dec 14, 2015 14:21:58 GMT -5
"Speakers" for 5th single please. Only if duets with Danielle Bradbery (her version is FAR superior if you haven't heard it. I'd highly recommend it.) I didn't even know she recorded it lol I want "Speakers", but I'm sure we will get "Make You Miss Me".
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Post by bigfan101 on Dec 14, 2015 14:23:56 GMT -5
Only if duets with Danielle Bradbery (her version is FAR superior if you haven't heard it. I'd highly recommend it.) I didn't even know she recorded it lol I want "Speakers", but I'm sure we will get "Make You Miss Me". Check it out for sure! She killed it. (But agreed Make You Miss Me is the likely choice.)
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Post by maine on Dec 14, 2015 15:33:54 GMT -5
I would still love "Single For The Summer", but that wouldn't work when this one is all done.
I agree with "Make You Miss Me". It's not one of my favorites, but I think it would be a good one for country and a good era ender. I'm also not opposed to "Speakers" or "Raised On It" either. That just leaves "Ex To See" and "Cop Car" lol. I love both, but the latter would not work for obvious reasons, and "Ex To See" doesn't really mesh well with country (but then again look at this lol).
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Post by sapphire on Dec 16, 2015 0:47:30 GMT -5
Sam Hunt performed this song on The Voice Finale
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 7:12:58 GMT -5
^^why are we still letting this guy represent country music? Every time I watch him live I'm not sure whether I should be angry, disappointed, or embarassed. He's definitely a "studio" artist. Not that he's a bad performer, it just really misses the mark sonically live.
Couldn't help but laugh through the first verse when everyone is waving their hands back and forth. Like, to what? There's no consistent beat or melody, Sam can't decide whether he is singing, talking, whispering, or yelling, and his tempo was all over the place. At least the CD version is bearable.
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Post by kml567 on Dec 17, 2015 22:01:49 GMT -5
My radio station played an acoustic version of this song this morning and I couldn't believe my ears-it was quite good-great vocals (even with the talking parts) with country instrumentation. The DJs raved about it. They played the original on my drive home and it was quite the contrast-a completely different song; even with the same lyrics. I am clueless why they didn't send that acoustic version to country radio (unless it is a very recent recording-or I missed news about it in this thread earlier). Wish this version was on the album I bought instead of the current single-one of the songs I don't like on this overall great debut. The acoustic/"radio edit" of the song will finally be released to iTunes/Spotify tonight!! It is definitely a very recent recording, so that's why it's only available now to everyone. Too bad it's released right at the same time as the radio freeze.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Dec 18, 2015 7:40:09 GMT -5
My radio station played an acoustic version of this song this morning and I couldn't believe my ears-it was quite good-great vocals (even with the talking parts) with country instrumentation. The DJs raved about it. They played the original on my drive home and it was quite the contrast-a completely different song; even with the same lyrics. I am clueless why they didn't send that acoustic version to country radio (unless it is a very recent recording-or I missed news about it in this thread earlier). Wish this version was on the album I bought instead of the current single-one of the songs I don't like on this overall great debut. The acoustic/"radio edit" of the song will finally be released to iTunes/Spotify tonight!! It is definitely a very recent recording, so that's why it's only available now to everyone. Too bad it's released right at the same time as the radio freeze. Thanks for the heads up! Just downloaded it and it's really good! This is the version his team should've sent to country radio all along, saving the original version to Top40/HotAC
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Post by robenglund on Dec 18, 2015 10:54:15 GMT -5
Wow that was good! Was that a steel I heard in there?!
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Post by robenglund on Dec 18, 2015 10:54:58 GMT -5
Actually come to think of it the original has a steel if you listen closely ;)
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Post by brinkeronline on Dec 18, 2015 12:19:06 GMT -5
Sam has a niche act (poetry?/r&b country) that's selling super well right now. I just wonder when that will fade away. It's unfortunate that I've disliked any of his live TV performances (The Voice, CMT Music Awards) as I like his music. His voice just seems to lose all power when on TV/moving around a lot and he may not have great breath control (I am no one to judge as I'm not a musician or singer, just an observation). Where I like him best is in 'singer/songwriter' mode (still, often sitting, with an acoustic guitar): www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVmODRgKfWoOtherwise, his voice gets lost behind heavy production and smoke and mirrors. On TV, he comes off as a less capable performer.
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