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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Nov 17, 2015 19:45:23 GMT -5
Those are my thoughts as well. "Heartbeat" is pretty safe, but that's okay - Carrie's done plenty of heavy message songs and darker thematic material in the past few years anyway. Plus, even though I think there are stronger songs on Storyteller, this one shows off a new side to Carrie. I've been wanting her to release a lighter love song for years (I was really rooting for "Do You Think About Me" last era), so it might be refreshing for radio listeners to hear this different side to her that is usually reserved for album listeners only. My worry is that many people pretty much said the same thing about Smoke Break - a lighter song, different side of Carrie. It wasn't as well-received as hoped. I have been waiting for years for Carrie to release a lighter love song too (same like you, I think DYTAM should've been a single), am just not sure if this song is the right one, at this time of the era. Would love for my doubts to be proven wrong though. In my mind, "Smoke Break" isn't a light song. It's somewhere in the middle. And it's not a love song. I think it added another theme to Carrie's collection of singles. Now she is adding a love song. I do think she needed to add some new themes.
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Post by ant on Nov 18, 2015 8:42:55 GMT -5
My worry is that many people pretty much said the same thing about Smoke Break - a lighter song, different side of Carrie. It wasn't as well-received as hoped. I have been waiting for years for Carrie to release a lighter love song too (same like you, I think DYTAM should've been a single), am just not sure if this song is the right one, at this time of the era. Would love for my doubts to be proven wrong though. In my mind, "Smoke Break" isn't a light song. It's somewhere in the middle. And it's not a love song. I think it added another theme to Carrie's collection of singles. Now she is adding a love song. I do think she needed to add some new themes. Yeah, I think "Smoke Break" and "Heartbeat" are adding a nice element of variety to her single releases. Although the album is called Storyteller, neither of these are really "story" songs. Just relatable songs that I think people will enjoy, and this one in particular could end up being huge for her. Releasing "Choctaw County Affair" after "Heartbeat" would be a smart move in my opinion, because it goes back to Carrie doing what she does best (telling a story), while still adding a completely different sound that we haven't heard from her. However, I also feel "Renegade Runaway" should be a single after CCA, because it gives us that classic Carrie uptempo sound, while still being thematically different from her boy-bashing uptempos like "Before He Cheats", "Undo It", and "Cowboy Casanova".
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 18, 2015 10:10:22 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't really mean it that way, I was just kind of saying that Carrie is trying to conform to the brocountry crap with this and that's sad. She is the best female vocalist of our generation and I think she's way better than this song. What about "Heartbeat" is bro country?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 10:29:51 GMT -5
I think that while not bro-country. Heartbeat sounds a lot like Sam Hunt's Take Your Time or Luke Bryan Strip It Down. It just sounds like a lot of the current R&B phase and honestly that's why this song doesn't work for me. It soumds way too Pop R&B phase that's currently in country music it just doesn't sound country and Carrie Underwood has shown better.
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 18, 2015 11:15:47 GMT -5
There is not a single lyric in this song that sounds remotely like bro country. It is a romantic and sweet love song, based on a relationship that is clearly grounded in mutual respect and admiration, which from my experience is the polar opposite of bro country...
Also, there is literally not a single R&B element to this song other than maybe the slightly-too-poppy drum beat. It is okay to dislike a song based on the way it sounds, but those opinions should not be defended by making musical claims that are simply not true. This is certainly not traditional country, but it utilizes way more traditional influences than any of the R&B-style songs we have seen the past couple years.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 18, 2015 11:52:06 GMT -5
I think that while not bro-country. Heartbeat sounds a lot like Sam Hunt's Take Your Time or Luke Bryan Strip It Down. It just sounds like a lot of the current R&B phase and honestly that's why this song doesn't work for me. It soumds way too Pop R&B phase that's currently in country music it just doesn't sound country and Carrie Underwood has shown better. I know opinions aren't supposed to be "wrong," but yours is definitely wrong. Aside from that drumbeat, which I have no problems with at all, this is a totally straight-up country song. Lyrically, melodically, and vocally this is absolutely country, just like many of her other tunes that share these qualities despite having a production that leans pop (like "Blown Away," i.e.).
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 18, 2015 12:17:40 GMT -5
I think that while not bro-country. Heartbeat sounds a lot like Sam Hunt's Take Your Time or Luke Bryan Strip It Down. It just sounds like a lot of the current R&B phase and honestly that's why this song doesn't work for me. It soumds way too Pop R&B phase that's currently in country music it just doesn't sound country and Carrie Underwood has shown better. I know opinions aren't supposed to be "wrong," but yours is definitely wrong. Aside from that drumbeat, which I have no problems with at all, this is a totally straight-up country song. Lyrically, melodically, and vocally this is absolutely country, just like many of her other tunes that share these qualities despite having a production that leans pop (like "Blown Away," i.e.). I agree with you about "Heartbeat," but what makes "Blown Away" a country track?
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Post by sbp17 on Nov 18, 2015 12:17:41 GMT -5
Opinions aren't supposed to be wrong but...? There is literally not a single R&B element but... Well, I share the "wrong" opinion and you two aren't usually so dismissive of other people's opinions. It's not just the drumbeat but also the melody/phrasing on the "red win, good times, no I don't mind" and "you'll pull me closer, your head on my shoulder". Clearly, it's not an R&B song but neither are the other country hits that have been criticized for having an R&B influence but raylatch didn't say it was an R&B song.
And don't just take our word for it...
Rolling Stone: "She insists "I wanna feel it like a kick drum" on "Heartbeat," a head-turningly sexy four-by-four R&B jam that might impress Trey Songz" Taste Of Country: "“Heartbeat” is an R&B flavored love song featuring Sam Hunt." MJSBIGBLOG: "Heartbeat,” a romantic midtempo, cowritten by Zach Crowell, Ashley Gorley and Carrie, is the female answer to the rural imagery-filled and pop/light R&B-influenced Luke Bryan romantic midtempos..." TheBoot: "Press play on the video above to hear “Heartbeat.” It’s a slower tune with a hint of R&B in the verses and a mandolin-tinged chorus"
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 18, 2015 12:21:13 GMT -5
Opinions aren't supposed to be wrong but...? There is literally not a single R&B element but... Well, I share the "wrong" opinion and you two aren't usually so dismissive of other people's opinions. It's not just the drumbeat but also the melody/phrasing on the "red win, good times, no I don't mind" and "you'll pull me closer, your head on my shoulder". Clearly, it's not an R&B song but neither are the other country hits that have been criticized for having an R&B influence but raylatch didn't say it was an R&B song. And don't just take our word for it... Rolling Stone: "She insists "I wanna feel it like a kick drum" on "Heartbeat," a head-turningly sexy four-by-four R&B jam that might impress Trey Songz" Taste Of Country: "“Heartbeat” is an R&B flavored love song featuring Sam Hunt." MJSBIGBLOG: "Heartbeat,” a romantic midtempo, cowritten by Zach Crowell, Ashley Gorley and Carrie, is the female answer to the rural imagery-filled and pop/light R&B-influenced Luke Bryan romantic midtempos..." TheBoot: "Press play on the video above to hear “Heartbeat.” It’s a slower tune with a hint of R&B in the verses and a mandolin-tinged chorus" I think R&B-tinged is different from "bro country," though, which is the comparison that initially prompted the conversation. "Bro country" is about [subtly if not overtly] sexist lyrics that often center on partying in some form, and it often includes a type of 'singing' that stems from rap. Some type of urban influence in the production is also an element of bro country, but it's more about the elements as a whole. I don't think "Heartbeat" having the drum beat it does means it is "bro country." And none of those quotes you posted mention "bro country" either (again, to get it back to the initial comparison that was made).
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Post by sbp17 on Nov 18, 2015 12:25:30 GMT -5
And none of those quotes you posted mention "bro country" either (again, to get it back to the initial comparison that was made). Read the chain of posts. Raylatch, who indulgecountry quoted, even said "while not bro-country". I'm addressing the R&B influenced reference by raylatch and the two subsequent posts that dismissed that opinion.
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 18, 2015 12:53:36 GMT -5
Opinions aren't supposed to be wrong but...? There is literally not a single R&B element but... Well, I share the "wrong" opinion and you two aren't usually so dismissive of other people's opinions. It's not just the drumbeat but also the melody/phrasing on the "red win, good times, no I don't mind" and "you'll pull me closer, your head on my shoulder". Clearly, it's not an R&B song but neither are the other country hits that have been criticized for having an R&B influence but raylatch didn't say it was an R&B song. And don't just take our word for it... Rolling Stone: "She insists "I wanna feel it like a kick drum" on "Heartbeat," a head-turningly sexy four-by-four R&B jam that might impress Trey Songz" Taste Of Country: "“Heartbeat” is an R&B flavored love song featuring Sam Hunt." MJSBIGBLOG: "Heartbeat,” a romantic midtempo, cowritten by Zach Crowell, Ashley Gorley and Carrie, is the female answer to the rural imagery-filled and pop/light R&B-influenced Luke Bryan romantic midtempos..." TheBoot: "Press play on the video above to hear “Heartbeat.” It’s a slower tune with a hint of R&B in the verses and a mandolin-tinged chorus" That's very interesting. I haven't looked up any reviews of this song, so I didn't know that the critics were saying things about this being an R&B-influenced song! I'm not trying to be dismissive of anybody's opinions, so I am sorry it seems that way. I can definitely see why people do not like this song. I think I just don't like the suggestions that this is a bro-country song, or a song that chases the modern R&B trends, because that topic inevitably leads back to the idea that the artist in question has sold out, which I think is the last thing that Carrie has done. Even if this is a safe release, I think it shows progress for Carrie as she continues to add new themes and styles to her catalog without compromising her artistic integrity. I do tend to hear more country influences than anything else when I hear this song though. I think the critics are writing in the specific context of the industry at this point in time, and if this song were not being released in 2015 the words "R&B-influenced" would not even be part of their vernacular. I have heard songs like George Strait's "Give It All We Got Tonight" get called bro-country by critics simply because of the time period in which they were released... If "Heartbeat" is part of the R&B trend, then this is finally an example of an artist doing it right.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 18, 2015 14:02:24 GMT -5
Sorry my post came off harsher than I wanted it to, but I just don't see big similarities between this and "Strip It Down" and (especially) "Take Your Time." I think the drumbeat is really the only thing to me that gives off a "not entirely country" vibe, but everything else about it does. I just don't hear an R&B-flavored song when I listen to this and lyrically, melodically, vocally I believe this is more comparable to the standards of country music than something like "Take Your Time." I'm intrigued though that so many reviews have suggested that there's an influence there, but I think that if the drumbeat were taken out there'd be a lot less or none of those comparisons being made about this song.
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Post by brinkeronline on Nov 18, 2015 14:33:14 GMT -5
I see the similarities between Heartbeat and some recent radio songs by the boys. However, I think Heartbeat is far more creative and far more refreshing as it's Carrie's first 'slow-jam' love song.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 14:58:36 GMT -5
This is my least-favorite song on "Storyteller," and I'm with those who want to see Carrie push the envelope. At this point in her career, Carrie's past the point of having to conform to what radio would want from her, so (in an ideal world), I'd be fully supportive of her ditching safe singles in favor of riskier choices. I'll let it slide when she releases "Dirty Laundry," "Church Bells" and Choctaw, though. See, I actually think this is a really smart move for her. She releases 'edgy' songs like those three all the time, so it's not like she routinely gives country radio the obvious material and instead usually pushes the envelope. That said, I think switching it up with a relatable, catchy love song like this is a very good idea to show a different side of her and I believe that it's going to pay off in the form of this probably being the biggest hit of the Storyteller era when the smoke settles. While I agree that Carrie doesn't need to release edgier songs all the time, "Heartbeat" is still too vanilla for me, and almost everything else on "Storyteller" has more to offer than this one does. Releasing a safe choice that connects with the general public might be a smart move in the long run, but it won't add anything to her discography, either. It's a change for people who prefer mellow, Country/Pop Carrie, but it's just...there. At this point, Carrie only has a handful of singles that show what she's capable of as an artist. I suppose I'd like to see her build on that, because the bulk of her single releases do suggest she's more paint-by-the-numbers artistically, when her full discography proves otherwise. She can show a different side of herself without being bland, just as she can change it up a little bit without being overtly dramatic. If Carrie only releases 4 singles this era, I'll be disappointed if half this era is wasted on the 2 weakest songs.
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 18, 2015 15:12:36 GMT -5
This song certainly isn't a full on R&B song, but it also sure as hell ain't traditional country either. Instead it's a mix of the two styling a not unlike many of the songs becoming hits today in 2015. But there is definitely some R&B/Pop influence in this song or else there wouldn't be a drum beat in the first place.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 18, 2015 15:51:40 GMT -5
I think I just don't like the suggestions that this is a bro-country song, or a song that chases the modern R&B trends, because that topic inevitably leads back to the idea that the artist in question has sold out, which I think is the last thing that Carrie has done. Even if this is a safe release, I think it shows progress for Carrie as she continues to add new themes and styles to her catalog without compromising her artistic integrity. Let's also clairfy that "bro country" and "modern R&B trends" are two separate things. The urban influences currently being shown in country music are most certainly not the same as what is going on in current R&B music. Sorry my post came off harsher than I wanted it to, but I just don't see big similarities between this and "Strip It Down" and (especially) "Take Your Time." I think the drumbeat is really the only thing to me that gives off a "not entirely country" vibe, but everything else about it does. I just don't hear an R&B-flavored song when I listen to this and lyrically, melodically, vocally I believe this is more comparable to the standards of country music than something like "Take Your Time." I'm intrigued though that so many reviews have suggested that there's an influence there, but I think that if the drumbeat were taken out there'd be a lot less or none of those comparisons being made about this song.Sure, but that's the point. That's like saying if the steel guitar were taken out of "This Kiss" it wouldn't be seen as country (case in point, for the pop version of the song the steel guitar was replaced). It doesn't take much for something to have an "influence" of something else. Writing that something has an "R&B influence" doesn't mean someone is saying the song is R&B any more than saying "Something in the Water" has a gospel influence (which it does) doesn't mean it's straight gospel music.
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Post by surfy on Nov 18, 2015 16:13:29 GMT -5
Saying the song is R&B is a claim, and not an opinion and therefore I can say you are wrong.
Saying you dont like it is an opinion and I can't validate or invalidate that, as it is your subjective perspective.
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Anyways, this song has grown on me after listening to it this morning. Really hope this is another big hit for her!
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 18, 2015 18:39:29 GMT -5
Count me in as one of those who can't hear much R&B influence in Heartbeat. I was surprised when I first saw people mentioning it in reviews. And to me, bro-country simply means pointless partying songs with sexist lyrics. Heartbeat is in no way, shape or form to be part of that category. Saying the song is R&B is a claim, and not an opinion and therefore I can say you are wrong. Saying you dont like it is an opinion and I can't validate or invalidate that, as it is your subjective perspective. /lesson I don't agree that it's a claim/fact that can be proven wrong. Else, why else would people be debating/arguing all the time whether a certain song sounds country or not? Even fans of same genre from different generations can't agree with each other's claims most of the time. What each of us hear is so subjective and so depending on the era/influences that we have been exposed to.
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Post by tim on Nov 18, 2015 19:30:36 GMT -5
Saying the song is R&B is a claim, and not an opinion and therefore I can say you are wrong. But if the critical consensus is that this is "R&B flavored," is that really no longer just a claim? I'd contend that saying this isn't R&B influenced is a claim, and therefore you are wrong. I'm not surprised there's a big divide of opinion for this song, but I'm a little taken aback by the "no opinions are wrong, but yours is" type of rebuttals for those wanting to defend their own stance for why they like the song. This is a forum where we all come to share our opinions after all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 19:40:03 GMT -5
Perhaps I will get my head chopped off after this statement, but here goes:
I don't (really) think this is R&B. But I do think it's sort of female bro-countryish with the lyrics. That being said, I actually like the feel of this one. And by God, it's the first song that Sam Hunt had a part in that I don't actively despise! In other news, I thought I saw a flying pig today....
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 18, 2015 19:52:38 GMT -5
Perhaps I will get my head chopped off after this statement, but here goes: I don't (really) think this is R&B. But I do think it's sort of female bro-countryish with the lyrics. That being said, I actually like the feel of this one. And by God, it's the first song that Sam Hunt had a part in that I don't actively despise! In other news, I thought I saw a flying pig today.... Your head's staying in tact. I've always seen this song as a female's response to bro-country. Not in the same sense as "Girl in A Country Song", but more so in a way that she's subtly obliging to those stereotypical southern ways of living on a level that isn't completely degrading and misogynistic. For starters, she replaces beer with red wine. She replaces "singing along and knowing every word to [insert song/artist] on the radio" to only finding static. She uses fireflies as a way of light instead of the moonlight or headlights. That, and it's just the two of them; it's not a party down at the creek where they're hooking up in the bed of a truck while their frat friends are nearby shotgunning beers. Huh. I may have just talked myself into liking this song more. Weird.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 18, 2015 20:11:25 GMT -5
I don't agree that it's a claim/fact that can be proven wrong. Else, why else would people be debating/arguing all the time whether a certain song sounds country or not? Even fans of same genre from different generations can't agree with each other's claims most of the time. What each of us hear is so subjective and so depending on the era/influences that we have been exposed to. Well, it's a tough line to find sometimes, but I think there is a difference in something sounding country and something having a country influence, just as there is a difference in something sounding R&B and having an R&B influence. It doesn't take much for a song to have a [insert genre] influence. Madonna's "Like A Prayer" has a gospel choir and thus has a gospel influence; that's a fact. But that doesn't mean it sounds gospel, so that would be more open for debate. I think most of us agree the drum beat of "Heartbeat" is R&B/urban. Out of that, it's logical to say the song has an R&B influence. Whether the song as a whole sounds R&B is a different point. The fact that the song has that R&B influence is a quality it shares with some bro country, so therefore one could also make a claim that the song has a bro country influence. The lyrics, vocal, and other production don't fall in line with bro country, though, so it would be harder to argue that the song as a whole sounds bro country. This is all why word choice matters.
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Post by surfy on Nov 18, 2015 21:33:24 GMT -5
But they didn't say it has an R&B influence, they said it sounded like a pop/R&B song, which is just a flat out false claim. Sorry...
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Post by matty005 on Nov 18, 2015 22:04:21 GMT -5
But they didn't say it has an R&B influence, they said it sounded like a pop/R&B song, which is just a flat out false claim. Sorry... I think the verses sound like a R&B song from the late 90s and the chorus sounds a lot more country. If a song has R&B influences, then it probably will sound like an R&B song to some people. Mayne not all. Maybe not most. But some will think it does. Just like there are pop songs that have a country influence and I hear people all the time say, "this sounds like a country song." They don't say, "this song sounds like it has a country influence."
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Post by DJ General on Nov 19, 2015 11:32:40 GMT -5
Smoke Break was pretty poor. But This is one of her best singles ever and one of my favorite country songs in years. When I heard everyone (including Carrie) talking about Sam on the track, I thought he was going to be credited and it was a duet. Why would this not be the case? He is a really hot artist right now and Carrie is established enough to not make it look like a gimmick by attaching a big up and coming star. I think Sam would be really great on this. Is there any chance or rumors of a "single" version or a re-record coming out with Sam added on with more than backing?
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 19, 2015 12:21:27 GMT -5
I hear what sbp17 does in the verses of "Heartbeat" -- Carrie's cadence there makes me think a bit of Mary J. Blige's (on some of her pop/R&B songs, anyway). And just to add to sbp17's list of critics who hear a bit of R&B in the song, here's how Jewly Hight described the song in her Billboard review of Storyteller:And here is how Brad Shoup describes the song for his Storyteller review for Spin: I would agree with everyone who hears country-pop in the chorus, though, and think that bboat11 makes good points about the instrumentation while 14887fan frames the particular rural references in the lyrics well. For me, what elevates "Heartbeat" past the typical Luke Bryan loverman songs is a) there's nothing about making speakers go boom-boom or putting needles in anyone's grooves (in other words, the lyrics convey adult intimacy without getting stupid or vulgar), b) lines like "But I can't hear you call me 'Baby' with the music up loud," (an evocative line in the way it contrasts the sweetness of the tiniest intimacy with what she's looking to get away from) and c) the way Carrie's vocal lends a credibly individual personality to the song. That said, "better than Luke Bryan" is not a high bar as far as I'm concerned, and "Heartbeat" is still not a standout for me on Storyteller. But they didn't say it has an R&B influence, they said it sounded like a pop/R&B song, which is just a flat out false claim. Sorry... I think the verses sound like a R&B song from the late 90s and the chorus sounds a lot more country. If a song has R&B influences, then it probably will sound like an R&B song to some people. Mayne not all. Maybe not most. But some will think it does. Just like there are pop songs that have a country influence and I hear people all the time say, "this sounds like a country song." They don't say, "this song sounds like it has a country influence." And just to show the limitations of any one person's anecdotal claims, I generally hear people talking about flavors and influence when that's what they mean instead of describing songs as belonging to a genre. Smoke Break was pretty poor. But This is one of her best singles ever and one of my favorite country songs in years. When I heard everyone (including Carrie) talking about Sam on the track, I thought he was going to be credited and it was a duet. Why would this not be the case? He is a really hot artist right now and Carrie is established enough to not make it look like a gimmick by attaching a big up and coming star. I think Sam would be really great on this. Is there any chance or rumors of a "single" version or a re-record coming out with Sam added on with more than backing? Because, to be honest, this isn't a duet. It's a song with a single point of view (Carrie's) on which Sam Hunt sings background vocals, and to treat it otherwise would be to turn something that works organically (Sam's harmonies do complement Carrie's voice very nicely) into a gimmick. Granted, Carrie did bring in Randy Travis for a few lines of "I Told You So," but that felt different to me -- that was originally Randy Travis' song, he is a legend and the collaboration felt like a passing of the torch. Also, the lines that Randy Travis took in the duet version of "I Told You So" felt a lot less illogical than anything Sam Hunt could take on "Heartbeat." Besides, there has been an annoying trend at country of turning background vocals by a name artist into full-on features, and I see it as little more than a cheap grab at Vocal Event nominations. Frankly, I'm glad that Carrie didn't go that route. It's the media that has hyped this as a duet -- Carrie has made it clear that Storyteller has no duets, not with Sam Hunt, and not with the McCrary Sisters (who are prominently featured on "Choctaw County Affair"). Carrie isn't credited with a feature on Brad Paisley's "Online" or "High Life," because she is a background vocalist. Chris Stapleton isn't credited with a feature on Miranda's "Hard Staying Sober" because he is a background vocalist. Hillary Lindsey, whose voice is every bit as prominent on "Little Toy Guns" as Sam Hunt's is on "Heartbeat," is credited as a background vocalist, not a feature artist. So I am hoping that if "Heartbeat" is indeed a single, it is treated as is.
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Post by maddkat on Nov 23, 2015 6:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 23, 2015 6:21:02 GMT -5
She looks beautiful, but everything else about it is just...
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 23, 2015 8:00:57 GMT -5
^ It's the font and the stars.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 23, 2015 8:02:27 GMT -5
Looks like an ad for Star Wars...
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