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Post by ant on Nov 23, 2015 8:23:18 GMT -5
Yeah, not a fan of that cover art at all. Her performance on the AMAs last night was good, and I loved the moon/stars in the background, the way she looked, the fog and the change of colors, etc. And as much as I like this song, my only issue with it is that it doesn't exactly make for an exciting live performance. Of course, Carrie sounded great and did what she could with it, but it's not really a song that would garner a standing ovation.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 23, 2015 8:39:34 GMT -5
Yeah, not a fan of that cover art at all. Her performance on the AMAs last night was good, and I loved the moon/stars in the background, the way she looked, the fog and the change of colors, etc. And as much as I like this song, my only issue with it is that it doesn't exactly make for an exciting live performance. Of course, Carrie sounded great and did what she could with it, but it's not really a song that would garner a standing ovation. I agree! I think the only way to deliver "Heartbeat" live would be acoustically. I wish they took that approach last night, I think it could have made a much bigger impact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 10:53:26 GMT -5
I like the song well enough, but am a bigger fan over the cover art ham the song.
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Post by Stephen on Nov 23, 2015 11:19:04 GMT -5
I actually thought the performance was fantastic. It was understated and elegant with great staging and better vocals. Also, I think it's key to note on something that 43dudleyvillas touched on - Sam Hunt wasn't used... at all. I actually do think he sang the normal BGV (which, to be honest, sounded a tad off), but I think she had him of to the side. If they were ever going to try and use Hunt's rising star, a pop show would be the time and they didn't. That, to me, says that Carrie probably isn't interested in using him as a gimmick but really meant it when she said that she just thought his voice would lend well to the song (which, it does).
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 23, 2015 14:21:23 GMT -5
Ew @ that cover art. I was hoping this would gain traction on digital with the AMA performance, but it's only #98 on iTunes.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 23, 2015 14:30:25 GMT -5
Ew @ that cover art. I was hoping this would gain traction on digital with the AMA performance, but it's only #98 on iTunes. I could end up being wrong, but I've said from the start this song wouldn't do much for the album. It's a nice radio song for sure, but that's about it. It isn't the kind of song to get huge downloads or to really push album sales. It also isn't a great song for live performances. I think "Choctaw County Affair" or "Dirty Laundry" would have been better choices. They may have peaked a bit lower at country radio, but they would have pulled in more buyers.
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Post by malwaredie on Nov 23, 2015 15:37:35 GMT -5
I've also said from the beginning that Heartbeat would do nothing to drive album sales. I did think it would do well with regards to digital downloads, but if it doesn't even do that, things won't look very good this era. There's still time since Heartbeat hasn't gone for adds yet. But I still see it as being the weakest track on the album and don't see it being a solid single choice. I don't believe live performances of the album version of the song will make much headway. Carrie's main selling point is her voice, and the acoustic version would (in my opinion) probably be a better choice given that there is more emphasis on her voice.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 23, 2015 15:48:45 GMT -5
"Heartbeat" already got 11 (at least) adds on MB this week, one week before the official add date.
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Post by Massikur2 on Nov 23, 2015 17:48:33 GMT -5
I've also said from the beginning that Heartbeat would do nothing to drive album sales. I did think it would do well with regards to digital downloads, but if it doesn't even do that, things won't look very good this era. There's still time since Heartbeat hasn't gone for adds yet. But I still see it as being the weakest track on the album and don't see it being a solid single choice. I don't believe live performances of the album version of the song will make much headway. Carrie's main selling point is her voice, and the acoustic version would (in my opinion) probably be a better choice given that there is more emphasis on her voice. While I certainly agree this may not be the strongest track off Storyteller, I do believe it has the potential to perform well on the charts and sell well digitally. In regards to album sales, I don't believe we can accurately assume how the song will impact such matters. I wouldn't be so down on it this early in its release!
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 23, 2015 18:09:20 GMT -5
I've also said from the beginning that Heartbeat would do nothing to drive album sales. I did think it would do well with regards to digital downloads, but if it doesn't even do that, things won't look very good this era. There's still time since Heartbeat hasn't gone for adds yet. But I still see it as being the weakest track on the album and don't see it being a solid single choice. I don't believe live performances of the album version of the song will make much headway. Carrie's main selling point is her voice, and the acoustic version would (in my opinion) probably be a better choice given that there is more emphasis on her voice. While I certainly agree this may not be the strongest track off Storyteller, I do believe it has the potential to perform well on the charts and sell well digitally. In regards to album sales, I don't believe we can accurately assume how the song will impact such matters. I wouldn't be so down on it this early in its release! First post. Welcome to Pulse Music Board!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 23, 2015 19:55:21 GMT -5
Maybe I'm weird but I love the single cover. I think it looks way better than the awkward pose of the "Smoke Break" cover. I also thought the performance last night was great, especially visually -- I absolutely loved the staging, the backdrop, and Carrie's red dress (I love the gold dress/theme for the cover art too though). The only thing "off" about the performance was her vocal, which I think sounded too quiet on the tv but I'm sure that was just a sound issue.
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Post by Massikur2 on Nov 23, 2015 23:22:34 GMT -5
While I certainly agree this may not be the strongest track off Storyteller, I do believe it has the potential to perform well on the charts and sell well digitally. In regards to album sales, I don't believe we can accurately assume how the song will impact such matters. I wouldn't be so down on it this early in its release! First post. Welcome to Pulse Music Board! Thank you so much! I was once an active contributor on the CMT message boards (back when those were a thing!) and rediscovered this forum. It's nice to have a place to chat about the format. :)
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Post by austin on Nov 24, 2015 1:29:36 GMT -5
I am in shock that they picked this. I am the furthest thing from a Carrie fan but this new CD actually has some very solid stuff on it...and this was hands down the worst song on the entire album. Dirty Laundry NEEDS to be next, its my vote for her best song ever.
Church Bells and the County Affair song stand out in a positive way as well. Really anything but this and the awful Renegade song would have been OK by me...
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Post by ezherman on Nov 24, 2015 13:21:10 GMT -5
There is not a single lyric in this song that sounds remotely like bro country. It is a romantic and sweet love song, based on a relationship that is clearly grounded in mutual respect and admiration, which from my experience is the polar opposite of bro country... It may not fit some people's definition of "bro-country" but it sure fits mine. It's no accident that "Heartbeat" is chock-full of bro-country cliche buzz words/images: -"call me baby" -"music up loud" -leaving the city lights and driving out into the country -"crickets" -"underneath a harvest moon" -"on the radio" -"the way you look in (fill-in-the-blank lighting)" -girl dancing in her bare feet -"kick drum, beating fast" -"pull me closer, my head on your shoulder" This could be the female's perspective of Luke Bryan's "That's My Kind of Night."
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 24, 2015 22:44:11 GMT -5
There is not a single lyric in this song that sounds remotely like bro country. It is a romantic and sweet love song, based on a relationship that is clearly grounded in mutual respect and admiration, which from my experience is the polar opposite of bro country... It may not fit some people's definition of "bro-country" but it sure fits mine. It's no accident that "Heartbeat" is chock-full of bro-country cliche buzz words/images: -"call me baby" -"music up loud" -leaving the city lights and driving out into the country -"crickets" -"underneath a harvest moon" -"on the radio" -"the way you look in (fill-in-the-blank lighting)" -girl dancing in her bare feet -"kick drum, beating fast" -"pull me closer, my head on your shoulder" This could be the female's perspective of Luke Bryan's "That's My Kind of Night." I think this comparison begs the no-longer-off-topic sharing of this little gem : In all seriousness though, many bro country lyrics have a negative connotation because of the way they are presented. Every single one of the "Heartbeat" lyrics you listed could definitely be found in a bro country song, but I do not think that makes them inherently "bro". The aspect of bro country that many people take issue with is the demeaning attitude of the lyrics towards women and relationships in general. Lines such as, "Scoot your little hot self over here. Girl, hand me another beer." ("That's My Kind Of Night" is a perfect source for these...) are indisputably bro lyrics, that can only be found in bro country songs (okay, or rap). If the song later happens to talk about a girl dancing in a corn field or in her bare feet, those lyrics then seem bro because that is the tone set by the whole song. "Heartbeat", on the other hand, does not offer any lyrics that in any way demean men or the value of relationships, so the lyrics about crickets and being underneath a harvest moon all come across as a genuine romantic evening between two people who love each other. Neither of the participants is portrayed as a pile of meat, and there is clear mutual respect communicated in that moonlight dance with her head on his shoulder. I think that to hear bro lyrics in this song is to completely misconstrue what actually makes bro country lyrics offensive and problematic. Bro country songs use believable dating ideas, but portray them offensively. That does not mean that all songs about date nights are then bro-country. It's like saying that Red Robin is just as much a fast-food restaurant as McDonald's, when in reality the only similarity is that they serve similar types of food. One sells fast food, but the other is a sit-down restaurant. The presentation and overall flavor are scarcely comparable experiences.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 24, 2015 22:52:06 GMT -5
Thematically and lyrically this really reminds me of Kellie Pickler's ill-fated "Closer to Nowhere" single from last year. It's definitely not "bro" at all, especially in its presentation like bboat11 said, because there's nothing crass about any of the lyrics in "Heartbeat"; the opposite is quite true, in fact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 23:10:56 GMT -5
In all seriousness though, many bro country lyrics have a negative connotation because of the way they are presented. Every single one of the "Heartbeat" lyrics you listed could definitely be found in a bro country song, but I do not think that makes them inherently "bro". The aspect of bro country that many people take issue with is the demeaning attitude of the lyrics towards women and relationships in general. Lines such as, "Scoot your little hot self over here. Girl, hand me another beer." ("That's My Kind Of Night" is a perfect source for these...) are indisputably bro lyrics, that can only be found in bro country songs (okay, or rap). If the song later happens to talk about a girl dancing in a corn field or in her bare feet, those lyrics then seem bro because that is the tone set by the whole song. "Heartbeat", on the other hand, does not offer any lyrics that in any way demean men or the value of relationships, so the lyrics about crickets and being underneath a harvest moon all come across as a genuine romantic evening between two people who love each other. Neither of the participants is portrayed as a pile of meat, and there is clear mutual respect communicated in that moonlight dance with her head on his shoulder. I think that to hear bro lyrics in this song is to completely misconstrue what actually makes bro country lyrics offensive and problematic. Bro country songs use believable dating ideas, but portray them offensively. That does not mean that all songs about date nights are then bro-country. It's like saying that Red Robin is just as much a fast-food restaurant as McDonald's, when in reality the only similarity is that they serve similar types of food. One sells fast food, but the other is a sit-down restaurant. The presentation and overall flavor are scarcely comparable experiences. This might be one of the best posts/descriptions I've read on this board in a long time (no sarcasm). I agree 110%.
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 25, 2015 0:13:34 GMT -5
It may not fit some people's definition of "bro-country" but it sure fits mine. It's no accident that "Heartbeat" is chock-full of bro-country cliche buzz words/images: -"call me baby" -"music up loud" -leaving the city lights and driving out into the country -"crickets" -"underneath a harvest moon" -"on the radio" -"the way you look in (fill-in-the-blank lighting)" -girl dancing in her bare feet -"kick drum, beating fast" -"pull me closer, my head on your shoulder" I still don't understand why these lyrics are considered bro-country. They are country clichés for sure (which is a completely different issue to me), but just because someone like Luke Bryan uses them doesn't make these phrases bro-country trademarks. They are just common phrases to me, and have been used way before bro-country even started. If you say the song is boring or vanilla or sweet but too safe or too many clichés etc, I'd understand that opinion a whole lot more.
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Post by ant on Nov 25, 2015 8:39:41 GMT -5
I'm just curious as to why Carrie chose to record this song since she is normally not about romantic love songs. I know she said something along the lines of this song being "different" and not your typical cheesy love song. And while I don't find the song cheesy, the lyrics are definitely a bit cliche. I know she also mentioned that it kind of describes her and her husband's (Mike Fisher) relationship, but this isn't exactly the kind of love song I'd expect from a married woman with a baby. It seems more like something suited for a teenager or younger adult. I think "Like I'll Never Love You Again" is the more "mature" love song of the two from this album and the type better-suited for Carrie, although I can understand why this one was released to radio instead.
Regardless, I still find the song to be a pleasant listen and a nice change for Carrie. I really enjoy it and don't really mind it as a single either.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 25, 2015 9:18:33 GMT -5
I'm just curious as to why Carrie chose to record this song since she is normally not about romantic love songs. I know she said something along the lines of this song being "different" and not your typical cheesy love song. And while I don't find the song cheesy, the lyrics are definitely a bit cliche. I know she also mentioned that it kind of describes her and her husband's (Mike Fisher) relationship, but this isn't exactly the kind of love song I'd expect from a married woman with a baby. It seems more like something suited for a teenager or younger adult. I think "Like I'll Never Love You Again" is the more "mature" love song of the two from this album and the type better-suited for Carrie, although I can understand why this one was released to radio instead. Regardless, I still find the song to be a pleasant listen and a nice change for Carrie. I really enjoy it and don't really mind it as a single either. Well, she recently said it was personal; she pictures Mike and herself when she sings/hears the song. So I think that element, plus the fact that it isn't a typical lovey-dovey cheese fest is what made her decide to record the song. Also, I think she knows her fans have been thirsty for love songs. I mean, it's literally the only type of song she hasn't ever done; at least when it comes to radio singles. I get why people aren't into it, but I love it. I wish they did a stripped down performance at the AMAs; I think that would have created a stronger initial impact digitally, but I still think this has huge potential as a single.
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 25, 2015 9:33:11 GMT -5
^ I have come to accept that this single, to me, is the Mama's Song of this era. A song that is relatively weak quality compared to many other tracks, but is just so personal/special to Carrie. Just a little disappointed to deal with it this early in the era.
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Post by cufan7 on Nov 25, 2015 10:22:36 GMT -5
To me, the point-of-view in this song is so obviously who Carrie truly is. She's a deep-loving introvert. What I love about this song is that it really captures who she is, who I think Mike is, and what happens is an event that could have easily happened between them in real life. I believe her when she sings it, like she is - as many people often complain she doesn't - letting us into her personal life through her music.
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Post by Stephen on Nov 25, 2015 13:28:46 GMT -5
It appears Carrie is slated to perform this Sunday on the UK X Factor, which is very telling in terms of their promotional strategy. I’m starting to wonder if this being released second is more because of international accessibility than it is because they felt it was the best single for the US; what I mean is, maybe this release is more catered to opening her up internationally than being the smash second single on Country radio domestically. Truth be told, it will be much easier for her to release CCA or something more distinctly country in the UK and other international waters if she has good will and momentum from something that is as pop friendly as ‘Heartbeat.’ If this is their plan (and it seems to be considering her visiting the UK twice in two months when she normally does one quick visit per album release), then I agree with this being next as it isn’t as full-on pop as ‘Chaser’ or ‘Relapse’ (though they are MUCH better songs) but it is are accessible enough for pop listeners to enjoy. Now all of this is speculative and I could be way off, but Carrie isn’t one to service different songs to different areas (as seen by her hesitance to push ANYTHING to pop, even un-remixed – and before anyone questions this she has been on record saying she is comfortable with crossover only if it happens “naturally”) so it seems very likely this was a compromise to reach the biggest appeal possible for her in international waters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 15:12:05 GMT -5
It may not fit some people's definition of "bro-country" but it sure fits mine. It's no accident that "Heartbeat" is chock-full of bro-country cliche buzz words/images: -"call me baby" -"music up loud" -leaving the city lights and driving out into the country -"crickets" -"underneath a harvest moon" -"on the radio" -"the way you look in (fill-in-the-blank lighting)" -girl dancing in her bare feet -"kick drum, beating fast" -"pull me closer, my head on your shoulder" I still don't understand why these lyrics are considered bro-country. They are country clichés for sure (which is a completely different issue to me), but just because someone like Luke Bryan uses them doesn't make these phrases bro-country trademarks. They are just common phrases to me, and have been used way before bro-country even started. If you say the song is boring or vanilla or sweet but too safe or too many clichés etc, I'd "Heartbunderstand that opinion a whole lot more.that It seems like people around here love to throw around the term "bro Country" without actually considering that there are plenty of songs that are, in fact, as far from "bro" as you can get. Carrie stated many times (even before the release of "Storyteller"), that she liked that "Heartbeat" was a conversational love song, and something she didn't see as mushy or unrealistic. She also said that the song itself describes the kind of simple, "Country living" life that she has with her husband. Honestly, I think people a lot of people have become so disillusioned with how demeaning and dull mainstream Country has become, that some people tend to forget songs like "Heartbeat" can co-exist with whatever "trends" are on the radio. HB is a simple, relatable love song with (gasp), images of a couple living a simple Country life. The kinds of themes presented in the lyrics represent topics that created the very foundation of Country music. The imagery presented here isn't "exclusive" to bro-Country, and frankly, these kinds of cliches were around long before anyone even thought of coining such a term. It's troubling that people are so used to males demeaning women and telling her to climb up in his truck in her short-shorts and little white tank top are even being compared to a song like "Heartbeat," because when you actually look at the origins of the song and the artist involved, it becomes almost laughable to lump them in the same category.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 29, 2015 11:39:27 GMT -5
I mean, it's literally the only type of song she hasn't ever done; at least when it comes to radio singles. I wouldn't say "literally." Has she done a song about how music affects her and others a la "Sir Duke" or "Music?" Has she done a song about suicide? Has she done a song about "the haters," struggling to get a record deal, or Santa being a human in disguise? I don't ask those questions as a criticism of her music; just saying there are still subjects she can get to in due time, and I wouldn't say "literally" in the context of her having done various songs.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 29, 2015 11:59:51 GMT -5
I mean, it's literally the only type of song she hasn't ever done; at least when it comes to radio singles. I wouldn't say "literally." Has she done a song about how music affects her and others a la "Sir Duke" or "Music?" Has she done a song about suicide? Has she done a song about "the haters," struggling to get a record deal, or Santa being a human in disguise? I don't ask those questions as a criticism of her music; just saying there are still subjects she can get to in due time, and I wouldn't say "literally" in the context of her having done various songs. Jesus Christ. "Type" as in love songs, break up songs, fun songs, cheating songs, etc.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 29, 2015 13:32:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't say "literally." Has she done a song about how music affects her and others a la "Sir Duke" or "Music?" Has she done a song about suicide? Has she done a song about "the haters," struggling to get a record deal, or Santa being a human in disguise? I don't ask those questions as a criticism of her music; just saying there are still subjects she can get to in due time, and I wouldn't say "literally" in the context of her having done various songs. Jesus Christ. "Type" as in love songs, break up songs, fun songs, cheating songs, etc. How music affects someone is a "type" of song. My point is, if you are gonna go out of your way to use "literally," then be right about it.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 29, 2015 16:01:05 GMT -5
She performed this on The X Factor UK tonight. They're really pushing her international presence, as this is the third separate time she's been in London in the past 3 months. I wouldn't say "literally." Has she done a song about how music affects her and others a la "Sir Duke" or "Music?" Has she done a song about suicide? Has she done a song about "the haters," struggling to get a record deal, or Santa being a human in disguise? I don't ask those questions as a criticism of her music; just saying there are still subjects she can get to in due time, and I wouldn't say "literally" in the context of her having done various songs. Jesus Christ. "Type" as in love songs, break up songs, fun songs, cheating songs, etc. It's an uphill battle, girl. We all feel you.
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Post by Massikur2 on Nov 29, 2015 16:57:29 GMT -5
I also believe that they're readying Carrie for the international market. A quick look at the Blown Away Wikipedia page reveals that the UK and Japanese versions of the album released included four bonus tracks, which were some of her most well-received singles: "Cowboy Casanova," "Before He Cheats," "Last Name," and "Jesus, Take the Wheel." It seems like this is something they've been wanting for awhile. Plus, her playing a show at Royal Albert Hall awhile back certainly didn't hurt.
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 29, 2015 20:17:21 GMT -5
I mean, it's literally the only type of song she hasn't ever done; at least when it comes to radio singles. I wouldn't say "literally." Has she done a song about how music affects her and others a la "Sir Duke" or "Music?" Has she done a song about suicide? Has she done a song about "the haters," struggling to get a record deal, or Santa being a human in disguise? I don't ask those questions as a criticism of her music; just saying there are still subjects she can get to in due time, and I wouldn't say "literally" in the context of her having done various songs. LOL. Let it go. It's just an expression that is commonly understood. Just like when someone says he is so hungry he could eat a horse, he doesn't actually eat a whole horse.
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