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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 19, 2015 12:42:44 GMT -5
^Comparing N Sync's sales total to that of Adele, whose album may approach that number, is valid, no matter the era. because if Adele's album was released back then, do we really think its opening sales would be, like 5 million in the first week? Acts like Adele and Taylor Swift show that people will still buy an album depending on the act (the fact that they're both relatively new- less than a decade in the business for both- doesn't hurt, either). "Multi-metric consumption" numbers have no business being compared to pure album sales numbers. Even Billboard knows this. #fact #endof
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Post by anafan on Nov 19, 2015 12:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by moore746 on Nov 19, 2015 12:54:28 GMT -5
There's no comparing 2001, the peak of album sales, to 2015, the lowest point of album sales either, but everyone does it. #deceasedhorsey Well, I think there are certain factors in 2015 that actually help first week sales in 2015 versus 2000. These include: 1. Multiple mediums, beyond CDs, contributing to sales, namely MP3 retailers. You could also include the resurgence of vinyl. This alleviates supply issues. 2. Most retailers discount albums in their first week, ranging from $9.99-11.99. This was not standard practice in 2000, and, in fact, the big releases (NSync, Britney) were sold for $14.99-$19.99. The difference is especially pronounced when you incorporate inflation. 3. General trend in music and movies of increased first week frontloadedness.
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Post by Gary on Nov 19, 2015 13:02:06 GMT -5
And before we get into selling 2.5 million in 2015 is like selling whatever in 2001....in my opinion there is no correlation between the two.
Yes different markets and different times and people bought more CDs back then in general but opening weeks of blockbuster albums such as this one even then it took a special act and special album to pull it off. It was rare then to get numbers of this type and it is rare now but still happens.
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Post by Envoirment on Nov 19, 2015 13:31:09 GMT -5
Yes, get it Adele! Hope she does 1.5 million second week then with Black Friday. Shall be interesting.
She's going to beat the worldwide record quite easily if the US figures come true. She should sell 3 million+ between the US and UK alone.
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Post by Gary on Nov 19, 2015 13:35:37 GMT -5
Not sure what the second week record is but she probably has a shot. The record for the week following 1 million is also held by N Sync who followed 2.4M with 800K.
Note: Not all the million seller weeks were debut weeks
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 19, 2015 13:44:42 GMT -5
^Comparing N Sync's sales total to that of Adele, whose album may approach that number, is valid, no matter the era. because if Adele's album was released back then, do we really think its opening sales would be, like 5 million in the first week? I don't see why not. Of course there are people who haven't bought a CD in years (since 21) who would buy this one but then there are the many people who no longer own CD players or even those demographics who never buy music that did back when buying music was the primary/only way to get it. Obviously comparing sales to sales+streaming isn't an even comparison and everyone here knows it because you bring it up at every opportunity, only because a certain someone lost at the hands of that recent chart change. But comparing anything over time when so much has changed requires some context. Always. And I'm sure Billboard as well as any reputable news source will make the distinction, so maybe then can you rest easy. #endof
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Post by groovetheory on Nov 19, 2015 14:21:41 GMT -5
There's no comparing 2001, the peak of album sales, to 2015, the lowest point of album sales either, but everyone does it. #deceasedhorsey Well, I think there are certain factors in 2015 that actually help first week sales in 2015 versus 2000. These include: 1. Multiple mediums, beyond CDs, contributing to sales, namely MP3 retailers. You could also include the resurgence of vinyl. This alleviates supply issues. 2. Most retailers discount albums in their first week, ranging from $9.99-11.99. This was not standard practice in 2000, and, in fact, the big releases (NSync, Britney) were sold for $14.99-$19.99. The difference is especially pronounced when you incorporate inflation. 3. General trend in music and movies of increased first week frontloadedness. I agree about the first week frontloadedness. More people know about the date of the album release with promotions on many channels as well as with news sites having more audience than ever. Thats why we see big percentage decreases on the second week. That wont be the case with Adele though. Adele's 25 kinda reminds me of Shania's Up, coming off of Come on Over with the expectations so high and the huge opening week.
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Post by Gary on Nov 19, 2015 15:12:09 GMT -5
The first week front-loaded thing has been in place since the dawn of Soundscan and is not really a new thing.
It is actually news now when an album climbs to #1 from a lower position rather than debut there.
Prior to Soundscan, a #1 debut was extremely rare.
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Post by moore746 on Nov 19, 2015 15:24:51 GMT -5
The first week front-loaded thing has been in place since the dawn of Soundscan and is not really a new thing. It is actually news now when an album climbs to #1 from a lower position rather than debut there. Prior to Soundscan, a #1 debut was extremely rare. That's not what I'm talking about. While an album may have debuted at #1 back in 1990-2000, it did not sell 1/3+ of its total sales in that first week, which is common now for big artists.
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Post by Gary on Nov 19, 2015 15:28:21 GMT -5
Well, I am not going to debate the %'s the frontloaded piece is still true. More often than not, the biggest sales week for an album has been the first week. We have Soundscan to thank for that.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 19, 2015 15:41:12 GMT -5
How were sales calculated before Soundscan? By Billboard asking around, like they did for single sales?
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Post by Gary on Nov 19, 2015 15:52:41 GMT -5
Yes. Compilation of retail reports.
Although Soundscan brought #1 debuts to singles too, there have been significantly fewer occurences
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Post by slw84 on Nov 19, 2015 16:29:37 GMT -5
^Comparing N Sync's sales total to that of Adele, whose album may approach that number, is valid, no matter the era. because if Adele's album was released back then, do we really think its opening sales would be, like 5 million in the first week? Acts like Adele and Taylor Swift show that people will still buy an album depending on the act (the fact that they're both relatively new- less than a decade in the business for both- doesn't hurt, either). "Multi-metric consumption" numbers have no business being compared to pure album sales numbers. Even Billboard knows this. #fact #endof True, baring in mind that there are what 50M more people now than there were in 2000 and also the different times I think sales are sales. Platinum is still 1M shipments the way it was in 2000. Monster sales in both time periods are impressive.
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Post by forg on Nov 19, 2015 21:01:17 GMT -5
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Post by braveheart on Nov 19, 2015 21:12:46 GMT -5
How well will the empire season 2 soundtrack do ? This time it's completely different and 100k is far out of their reach because this season hasn't had a hit single on billboard like last season which had about 3 hit songs... the questions is how well will it perform ? something tells me around 30k and a top 10 debut.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 19, 2015 23:56:47 GMT -5
Has anybody heard the Adele target tracks yet? Are they worth the extra coins or should I just get the regular version?
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Post by carreramd on Nov 20, 2015 5:06:19 GMT -5
I think 21 is sooo much better than 25. Just saying.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 20, 2015 7:24:32 GMT -5
21 has better songs but overall 25 is stronger. (And no lazy covers this time there either)
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Post by imbondz on Nov 20, 2015 8:12:27 GMT -5
Haven't bought a cd yet in 2015. Will buy 2 of Adeles 25, one for me and one for my girlfriend. So yes she is a force. I'll also buy the new Coldplay cd on Dec 4 which I'm more psyched for.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 20, 2015 8:24:58 GMT -5
mike, what are ya talking about? It's hardly because "a certain someone lost..."- in regard to album performance, I'm interested in how an album fares in sales, no matter the declining climate. Whether it's Madonna, Don Henley, Five Finger Death Punch having the best-selling album in a given week, or Elvis Presley, Rod Stewart, Bon Jovi, etc. having a top 10-selling album.
And I'm resting quite alright, but thank you for your concern. #sosweet
It's fantastic that an album in 2015 will sell as much as Adele Laurie Blue Adkins MBE's is projected to sell.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 20, 2015 11:50:24 GMT -5
My target had a display by the checkouts (marked $12.99), and a smaller display with the CDs with the regular & deluxe mixed together and marked $15.99.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 20, 2015 13:28:22 GMT -5
I wonder if "25" is at Rite Aid, Walgreens, etc...?
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Post by Duca on Nov 20, 2015 13:31:31 GMT -5
Gross.
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Post by anafan on Nov 20, 2015 14:06:42 GMT -5
My target had a display by the checkouts (marked $12.99), and a smaller display with the CDs with the regular & deluxe mixed together and marked $15.99. Same here. Went and got my copy an hour ago.
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Post by DJ General on Nov 20, 2015 14:14:02 GMT -5
Yes, there are CDs at the checklanes, CDs in a rolling shipper, and CDs in the Entertainment section. The range of CDs received per store is based on volume. The lowest stores received in the 200s and the highest received 700 copies. Most stores received 90% the deluxe though. Target is carrying VERY limited of those.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 20, 2015 14:52:18 GMT -5
No news about the opening of 25 yet? It's doing pretty well on iTunes I must say.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 20, 2015 14:54:11 GMT -5
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Post by Connor Walsh on Nov 20, 2015 15:18:30 GMT -5
This is amazing and the best part is we're witnessing the hot damn thang. SLAYDELE !
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Post by yuh yuh on Nov 20, 2015 15:36:47 GMT -5
Can't wait to know final official number Adele deserves it all!
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