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Post by hot100predictions on Apr 21, 2019 16:28:25 GMT -5
I think streaming has peaked. On u.s. spotify, the daily #10 song in spring-summer 2017 averaged around 0.8-1.1m, just as the spotify chart right now. The number barely increased at all since then. Even though other than OT Road there's no action right now, the spotify and youtube numbers in the past few months are pretty much the same as 2017. And I don't really see any obvious increase on streaming numbers anymore. I think this is it for streaming.
#Sales' believer's party! If there is a statement about streaming disagree more with, it would be this. And like yuh said streaming has become very divided with more subscribers listening to many different genres of music. Not everyones going to want to listen to Lil Uzi or Billie Eilish. Some want to listen to rock, pop, and other types of music. Or this can also just be from the lack of new material by a big artist, which is why this would be the perfect time for artists like: Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber to release new music. Yes, Old Town Road still has a large lead against all the other singles outside itself but once that challenges dies in a few weeks I'm sure TS will be #1 if not Billie Eilish.
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Post by fhas on Apr 21, 2019 16:56:44 GMT -5
I think streaming has peaked. On u.s. spotify, the daily #10 song in spring-summer 2017 averaged around 0.8-1.1m, just as the spotify chart right now. The number barely increased at all since then. Even though other than OT Road there's no action right now, the spotify and youtube numbers in the past few months are pretty much the same as 2017. And I don't really see any obvious increase on streaming numbers anymore. I think this is it for streaming.
#Sales' believer's party! I think using spring-summer 2017 and the #10 song isn't the best way to compare. That was one of the strongest eras of the decade with five huge hits (SOY, TWIL, Humble, I'm The One and Despacito) and a monstruous album (DAMN.). Looking at the #200 on April 22, 2017 (Saturday) and April 20, 2019 (Saturday) you'll see how 2019 beats 2017 easily: 201,909 vs. 167,208. Obviously, streaming is gonna peak someday but I don't think we've got to that point yet. It's just that people are listening to more songs instead of going for only a few hits.
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Post by iHype. on Apr 21, 2019 17:26:45 GMT -5
I think,
1. Apple Music, Amazon, etc are growing in share of audio streams. Thus looking at just Spotify will become more and more inaccurate.
2. There's been a dry-spell of releases from streaming forces. Hence why also Pop and Females have been gaining ground on streaming recently, Drake/Kendrick/Cole/Bieber/Post/etc haven't released an album all in atleast a year.
And audio streams are up 30.8% this year so far, so streaming definitely hasn't peaked factually.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 17:34:15 GMT -5
Really? Based on Hot 100’s streaming data, from 2013 to 2017 streaming increased 50-70% annually, but after 2017 the percentage was tapped out to 10% annually. Kworb’s YouTube chart shows that 2018’s views data was skinner than 2017’s!
And who tf said the audio streaming increased 30.8% this year? They don’t just count one play as one, they are like, illusions of millions of people and large phony numbers broadcasted from somewhere. If votings can be rigged so can these numbers. A bunch of number constructs to turn music and people against me.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 21, 2019 18:51:53 GMT -5
^From Nielsen's 2018 year-end music report: "On-demand audio streams vaulted 49 percent to 611 billion, while on-demand video streams surged 30 percent to 290 billion."
From the 2017 one: "On-demand audio streams grew 59 percent to 400.38 billion, and on-demand video streams rose 21 percent to 217.65 billion."
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Post by iHype. on Apr 21, 2019 19:27:37 GMT -5
Really? Based on Hot 100’s streaming data, from 2013 to 2017 streaming increased 50-70% annually, but after 2017 the percentage was tapped out to 10% annually. Kworb’s YouTube chart shows that 2018’s views data was skinner than 2017’s! And who tf said the audio streaming increased 30.8% this year? They don’t just count one play as one, they are like, illusions of millions of people and large phony numbers broadcasted from somewhere. If votings can be rigged so can these numbers. A bunch of number constructs to turn music and people against me. As long as the number keeps growing then streaming hasn't peaked. A peak is one single highest mark. And the actual statistics show audio streaming has increased 30.8% this year. And from an audio 'equivalents' standpoint (weighing paid/free streams) they're up 39.8%, showing the share of paid streams is growing even quicker. Still some notable space for growth.
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Post by Au$tin on Apr 21, 2019 23:51:06 GMT -5
Streaming is far, far, far from peaking. There are heaps of demographics who have yet to make the switch. Just because there aren't multiple streaming monsters at this point in time doesn't mean streaming isn't still growing. Outside of OTR and a great overall average amd hold for Billie, there just isn't big streaming hits right now, and a lot of that has to do with there just not being many high profile releases in awhile. Most of streaming's A-listers are on hiatus at the moment or hanging on to months old singles.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 22, 2019 11:02:55 GMT -5
3.1M for OTR combined, lowest since the release of the remix.
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Post by hot100predictions on Apr 22, 2019 11:25:59 GMT -5
Arguably, the weakest day in a long time on Spotify.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 23, 2019 7:35:10 GMT -5
OTR already under 3M... Not much happening otherwise.
In comparison, the 17th day of In My Feelings was over 4M
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Post by Choco on Apr 23, 2019 11:07:39 GMT -5
I'm OK with OTR dying sooner rather than later. Not a huge fan of it.
Streaming can't peak unless something comes to take it's place, just like streaming killed downloads. It's been a very slow month for A-List album releases outside of Billie. Post is doing great, considering both songs have been out for months.
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Post by jodakyellow on Apr 23, 2019 11:22:57 GMT -5
A bunch of number constructs to turn music and people against me. I knew someone who's dad had schizophrenia, too... It was really sad to watch.
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Post by thelegends on Apr 23, 2019 12:54:51 GMT -5
Guys it's Fortnite, kids now play too much Fortnite so they don't listen to music at all. It makes sense since in Fortnite, you have to concentrate on every sound you listen to or else, you're doomed.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 23, 2019 13:17:12 GMT -5
The two version of Old Town Road and Thotiana were the only songs in the top 50 which had less streams yesterday than on Easter Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 16:22:39 GMT -5
OTR already under 3M... Not much happening otherwise. In comparison, the 17th day of In My Feelings was over 4M Damn. At least its sale still has a more sizable lead than whatever spotify is, as long as they don't intentionally rig something straight to my face this time. Can't be a sucker for idealism, but as long as it can have its true impact as the sales icon this decade, I'll be glad. (2 versions combined: 3.5 time lead over #10 song on spotify 6-7 times lead over #10 on iTunes) You see, sales is always the interesting and polarizing factor to hold a good lead. That's why Candle In the Wind was pretty much year-end #1 in its first week, and in album sales chart, Adele's 25 was pretty much year-end top 2 in its first week. Funny how it's pretty much impossible to do that on spotify, unless a song can pull 80M daily stream in u.s. spotify instead of 3M.
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Post by Choco on Apr 24, 2019 10:07:10 GMT -5
Guys it's Fortnite, kids now play too much Fortnite so they don't listen to music at all. It makes sense since in Fortnite, you have to concentrate on every sound you listen to or else, you're doomed. This might be a joke... but Netflix, for example, does claim Fortnite is bigger competition than HBO, for example. Lots of entertainment choices for everyone these days, yet only so many hours in the day... The "6-times lead over #10 on iTunes" thingy would be more impressive if #10 wasn't selling 3k or so.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 24, 2019 10:07:19 GMT -5
Six Lemonade tracks in daily top 40, impressive.
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Post by Au$tin on Apr 24, 2019 15:46:49 GMT -5
Lemonade killing it for a 3-year-old album in the middle of the week.
US 15. Sorry (790,124) 17. Hold Up (765,821) 21. Formation (669,668) 27. 6 Inch (635,691) 29. Don't Hurt Yourself (589,401) 37. Pray You Catch Me (540,326) 49. Daddy Lessons (499,408) 53. All Night (480,638) 56. Love Drought (467,233) 58. Freedom (455,120) 60. Sorry (Demo) (441,688) 70. Sandcastles (393,909) 80. Before I Let Go (360,295) [+16] 106. Forward (320,811)
WW 35. Hold Up (1,659,841) 37. Sorry (1,652,812) 46. Formation (1,524,931) 53. 6 Inch (1,364,623) 63. Don't Hurt Yourself (1,257,889) 72. Pray You Catch Me (1,155,602) 78. Daddy Lessons (1,097,873) 89. Freedom (1,038,177) 91. All Night (1,023,224) 101. Sorry (Demo) (952,282) 102. Love Drought (951,797) 119. Before I Let Go (866,031) [+22] 124. Sandcastles (842,098) 169. Forward (684,903)
Honestly I think this is a stronger start than 25 got when it was finally released to streaming. (Of course 25 had sold more than Lemonade and 25 was only withheld for ~6 months, so it's release wasn't quite as exciting.)
Also, current top artists with most monthly listeners:
1. Ariana Grande 50,616,721 2. Khalid 49,702,723 3. J Balvin 48,759,388 4. Post Malone 48,177,642 5. Marshmello 45,005,897 6. Billie Eilish 44,483,714 7. Swae Lee 41,685,069 8. Calvin Harris 40,934,631 9. Selena Gomez 40,190,202 10. Daddy Yankee 39,727,297 11. Drake 39,232,141 12. Ed Sheeran 37,828,529 13. Sam Smith 37,430,798 14. David Guetta 37,223,182 15. Halsey 36,983,916 16. Bruno Mars 36,865,999 17. The Chainsmokers 36,255,408 18. Ozuna 36,243,083 19. Imagine Dragons 35,673,741 20. ???
I'm struggling to locate who #20 is. Everyone I keep checking is lower than that. Lady Gaga is #21 with 34,321,878 listeners, so #20 is between that and ID's 35,673,741 listeners.
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Post by Caviar on Apr 24, 2019 15:51:10 GMT -5
It's basically passive listening driving up her numbers. Spotify has been whoring the album out since it dropped on there. I expect the numbers to soften quickly as the hype goes down.
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Post by roman1166 on Apr 24, 2019 20:08:47 GMT -5
I'm struggling to locate who #20 is. Everyone I keep checking is lower than that. Lady Gaga is #21 with 34,321,878 listeners, so #20 is between that and ID's 35,673,741 listeners. Diplo 34,611,572
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Post by hot100predictions on Apr 25, 2019 8:31:24 GMT -5
Guys it's Fortnite, kids now play too much Fortnite so they don't listen to music at all. It makes sense since in Fortnite, you have to concentrate on every sound you listen to or else, you're doomed. I listen to music when I play, guess that explains why I die so much lol.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 25, 2019 14:21:24 GMT -5
Lizzo's Truth Hurts is #62 currently... and it's not even on her new album! SLAY!
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Apr 25, 2019 18:46:46 GMT -5
Lizzo's Truth Hurts is #62 currently... and it's not even on her new album! SLAY! my Queen is about to have a H I T
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 26, 2019 2:01:42 GMT -5
It's due to TikTok things but hey, aren't they all these days.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 27, 2019 2:21:48 GMT -5
10.2M for Taylor & Brendon WW
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Post by sickomode020202 on Apr 27, 2019 4:07:33 GMT -5
10.2M for Taylor & Brendon WW Wow very impressive!!
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 27, 2019 4:41:48 GMT -5
It's a rolling number though (including second day listens from parts of the world), official 24 hrs is probably 8.5M or so.
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Post by born on Apr 27, 2019 4:50:37 GMT -5
Yeah, we should wait for the official numbers cause there’s discounts and stuff involved.
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