Sherane Lamar
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Sept 10, 2016 2:05:02 GMT -5
I'm sure a lot of people on this thread will agree with you, as I suspect your sentiment that things just ain't as good as they used to be may be the cornerstone of most people's arguments here. But I don't think there's anything concrete to show here other than you're own person tastes. And I know that the same sentiment existed for every other generation's big legends as well. Elvis: "Nothing like talented acts of the past like Bing Crosby. This guy is just using sex to sell his generic "rock and roll" songs, that are all written by negro artists." The Beatles: "No way are these pansies as talented as great artists of the past like Benny Goodman and Glenn Miller. They just use these generic guitar ballads that all sound the same to appeal ignorant teenage girls who don't know any better." Madonna: "Just another no talent Pop floozy in a slutty dress, basically being a prostitute on TV. Gone are the days of talented artists like The Beatles." Mariah: "Processed assembly line Pop music of today. She doesn't even play any instruments! It's too bad we don't have real talented folks like Elvis that we had back in the day." "cause baby aslong as a bish is cute and sexy she or he can chant the words "Juicy Fruit" 101 times over a sikkk beat and go #1 and people will go AWWWF and say OMG slay nowadays!" Lol, Like this couldn't be said about every other decade. Every heard of a little song called "The Twist"? Essentially just a 60's version of what you just described. Yes all well and good and people have ALWAYS badly compared one era to the next but what you had was generations use to talent dissing a newer generation and over the time all those statements proved to be wrong because people fell in love and respected them after a few years. So it may have started off with the examples you listed but in time it was admiration and love. Now the examples of todays superstars what have they done from album debut era to now to make people change their tune on their talents and respect them for that soley? Has Katy or anyone of them went from a gimmicky, non singing , basic artists to universally acclaimed for her talents or has she and others just accumulated more hits but remained a gimmicky, non singing, basic artists with more hits? Thats the thing talent can be dissed at first but real talent always shows up and is respected not just liked, its RESPECTED. Yeah, I'm sure Madonna, Elvis, and Mariah were "universally acclaimed for their talents" in 1991, 1961, and 1996 respectively, on a totally different level that Katy, Taylor, Rihanna and Drake will never reach. Just as they are "universally acclaimed for their talents" today. ;) That's what makes you're nondescript "le wrong gen" celeb bashing justified and their nearly identical complaints not. Because of the fact that after "a few years" people stopped bashing them. Just like nobody EVER bashes Madonna or Mariah Carey today. Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot about that obvious fact ;)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 2:13:07 GMT -5
The point in a opinion based debate when one party has ran out of ammo and resorts to childish like picking out words, being sarcastic and turning a otherwise civilized debate into a mess. Anybody can bash anyone however talent is undeniable , what is your point? Do you even know? "Yeah, I'm sure Madonna, Elvis, and Mariah were "universally acclaimed for their talents" in 1991, 1961, and 1996 respectively, on a totally different level that Katy, Taylor, Rihanna and Drake will never reach. Just as they are "universally acclaimed for their talents" today. ;)"
Okay!!! When you think you're being sarcastic is when you are being the most truthful & right ;) (be sarcastic more often!) G'night a true divaaah leaves on that note and we love everybody and we hope everybody has success and works with whatever they have been given for talents and reaches for the sky! Just my opinion that I would rather gauge my eyes than listen to most of what is being put out, that's my true tea, why does that offend people? Its called opinions! Its not my fault i was raised on actual music and raised by talented divas and males. I just have standards and I don't expect someone like yourself from what you have shown to understand that. Should you want to inquire I just recently opened up a thread and show you what my definition of music is, in fact i have many barely read threads on my type of music for youngins to reap some benefits from. What do you have? pages of arguments and rants. How about you just show us by what you like and let us decide if we like it than ram opinions and "tude" down our throat? but if attitude and sarcasm is what you want to give then hunni we can do that too. A power bottom has never shied away from contact sports!
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Sherane Lamar
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Sept 10, 2016 2:35:47 GMT -5
The point in a opinion based debate when one party has ran out of ammo and resorts to childish like picking out words, being sarcastic and turning a otherwise civilized debate into a mess. Anybody can bash anyone however talent is undeniable , what is your point? Do you even know? "Yeah, I'm sure Madonna, Elvis, and Mariah were "universally acclaimed for their talents" in 1991, 1961, and 1996 respectively, on a totally different level that Katy, Taylor, Rihanna and Drake will never reach. Just as they are "universally acclaimed for their talents" today. ;)"
Okay!!! When you think you're being sarcastic is when you are being the most truthful & right ;) (be sarcastic more often!) G'night a true divaaah leaves on that note and we love everybody and we hope everybody has success and works with whatever they have been given. Sorry that I only responded with sarcastic ridicule, but I think the entire post was very ridiculous. You're saying that Mariah Carey and Madonna were universally respected a few years after they broke out? My point is that they aren't universally respected now! How can you expect people to universally respect Rihanna, Taylor, Drake and Katy when people actually treat Madonna and Mariah just as badly if not worse than those four? You said talent is undeniable huh? Yet you deny that it takes talent for somebody like Taylor Swift (who I don't even personally like) to write albums full of songs that continuously resonate with enough people to become hits. You don't think it takes talent to continuously win Grammy's (another institution I don't personally like at all) for the albums she rights and performs? You don't think it takes talent to come up with flows and lyrics for songs like "Headlines", "6 Man", "The Language" etc? Or to fit jokes and burns into rhymes as tightly as Drake did on "Back to Back" last year? What makes Madonna more talented as a showwoman and entertainer than Katy Perry?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 2:43:22 GMT -5
The point in a opinion based debate when one party has ran out of ammo and resorts to childish like picking out words, being sarcastic and turning a otherwise civilized debate into a mess. Anybody can bash anyone however talent is undeniable , what is your point? Do you even know? "Yeah, I'm sure Madonna, Elvis, and Mariah were "universally acclaimed for their talents" in 1991, 1961, and 1996 respectively, on a totally different level that Katy, Taylor, Rihanna and Drake will never reach. Just as they are "universally acclaimed for their talents" today. ;)"
Okay!!! When you think you're being sarcastic is when you are being the most truthful & right ;) (be sarcastic more often!) G'night a true divaaah leaves on that note and we love everybody and we hope everybody has success and works with whatever they have been given. Sorry that I only responded with sarcastic ridicule, but I think the entire post was very ridiculous. You're saying that Mariah Carey and Madonna were universally respected a few years after they broke out? My point is that they aren't universally respected now! How can you expect people to universally respect Rihanna, Taylor, Drake and Katy when people actually treat Madonna and Mariah just as badly if not worse than those four? You said talent is undeniable huh? Yet you deny that it takes talent for somebody like Taylor Swift (who I don't even personally like) to write albums full of songs that continuously resonate with enough people to become hits. You don't think it takes talent to continuously win Grammy's (another institution I don't personally like at all) for the albums she rights and performs? You don't think it takes talent to come up with flows and lyrics for songs like "Headlines", "6 Man", "The Language" etc? Or to fit jokes and burns into rhymes as tightly as Drake did on "Back to Back" last year? What makes Madonna more talented as a showwoman and entertainer than Katy Perry? NO! if you read my posts and not just ran off to speak. You would see I said any criticism of them from the start was quickly erased after a few years of them proving their talents. You act like the Katy Perry's and Justin Beibers came out yesterday. Rihanna is respected for her hits, Rihanna isnt respected for natural talents, that wont change, she tried and failed when she made Oxygen s**t and Work blew up!, i'm not dissing her, i'm calling a spade a spade. You're missing my point because you choose to speak and not listen. What I'm saying, is that Justin and Rihanna and Katy are LOVED for their hit making. Where Mariah, Madonna/Prince and Michael are loved for their hit making and their TALENTS and you don't develop talent on album #4 or #7 you are born with it. You can manufacture a hit or go in a different direction and be loved but talent is obvious to spot.
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Sherane Lamar
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Sept 10, 2016 2:49:32 GMT -5
Sorry that I only responded with sarcastic ridicule, but I think the entire post was very ridiculous. You're saying that Mariah Carey and Madonna were universally respected a few years after they broke out? My point is that they aren't universally respected now! How can you expect people to universally respect Rihanna, Taylor, Drake and Katy when people actually treat Madonna and Mariah just as badly if not worse than those four? You said talent is undeniable huh? Yet you deny that it takes talent for somebody like Taylor Swift (who I don't even personally like) to write albums full of songs that continuously resonate with enough people to become hits. You don't think it takes talent to continuously win Grammy's (another institution I don't personally like at all) for the albums she rights and performs? You don't think it takes talent to come up with flows and lyrics for songs like "Headlines", "6 Man", "The Language" etc? Or to fit jokes and burns into rhymes as tightly as Drake did on "Back to Back" last year? What makes Madonna more talented as a showwoman and entertainer than Katy Perry? NO! if you read my posts and not just ran off to speak. You would see I said any criticism of them from the start was quickly erased after a few years of them proving their talents. You act like the Katy Perry's and Justin Beibers came out yesterday. Rihanna is respected for her hits, Rihanna isnt respected for natural talents, that wont change, she tried and failed when she made Oxygen s**t and Work blew up!, i'm not dissing her, i'm calling a spade a spade. You're missing my point because you choose to speak and not listen. What I'm saying, is that Justin and Rihanna and Katy are LOVED for their hit making. Where Mariah, Madonna/Prince and Michael are loved for their hit making and their TALENTS and you don't develop talent on album #4 or #7 you are born with it. You can manufacture a hit or go in a different direction and be loved but talent is obvious to spot. "any criticism of them from the start was quickly erased after a few years of them proving their talents" Except that Madonna and Mariah still constantly dissed today for the exact same thing: being "talent-less" according to somebody. And it will continue to be that way until they stop making music and fall out of the public eye. Then they will become more like Prince and Michael. The same for Justin, Katy and Rihanna. That's just how our society works. From the text we're having, you seem to dislike Justin, Katy and RiRi, but you dropped Taylor and Drake from the convo. Can we agree that every generation has some people with talent and some people without it, even if we disagree on who does and who doesn't?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 2:51:33 GMT -5
"You said talent is undeniable huh? Yet you deny that it takes talent for somebody like Taylor Swift (who I don't even personally like) to write albums full of songs that continuously resonate with enough people to become hits"
OMGUS do you even know me. yes, I deny her talents and have chosen to make that known since like 2012 and off the board since she came out. I deny, deny, deny HER! I dont deny she is a superstar and has hits but yes hunty i deny she herself has talents other than being a hitmaker, capitalize on folks and looks good from the neck up and has fair skin and blonde hair and is America's next door type. She has the right look to be able to be who she is and that is mediocre talents. Again this is not me passing that off as FACT, that is my opinions and mines only. Ridiculous? maybe to you and others but i find people who think she is some talented woman to be the same, so i cant argue that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 2:55:13 GMT -5
NO! if you read my posts and not just ran off to speak. You would see I said any criticism of them from the start was quickly erased after a few years of them proving their talents. You act like the Katy Perry's and Justin Beibers came out yesterday. Rihanna is respected for her hits, Rihanna isnt respected for natural talents, that wont change, she tried and failed when she made Oxygen s**t and Work blew up!, i'm not dissing her, i'm calling a spade a spade. You're missing my point because you choose to speak and not listen. What I'm saying, is that Justin and Rihanna and Katy are LOVED for their hit making. Where Mariah, Madonna/Prince and Michael are loved for their hit making and their TALENTS and you don't develop talent on album #4 or #7 you are born with it. You can manufacture a hit or go in a different direction and be loved but talent is obvious to spot. "any criticism of them from the start was quickly erased after a few years of them proving their talents" Except that they're still constantly dissed today. God is dissed today, that doesn't change his reverence, Coco is dissed, that doesn't change her magnificence. You or someone else might be dissed but it might stick based on output, who knows right? because someone is dissed doesn't necessarily change their talents. You could be the most talented person and still be dissed what a novel concept!? We can go round for round and still wont change a damn thing on either side.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 2:55:47 GMT -5
Okay hunty, now what you got for me? Lets go!
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Sherane Lamar
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Sept 10, 2016 2:57:49 GMT -5
"any criticism of them from the start was quickly erased after a few years of them proving their talents" Except that they're still constantly dissed today. Coco is dissed, that doesn't change her magnificence. HAHA. Ok. I'm done. I love you for this. You win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 3:05:16 GMT -5
Coco is dissed, that doesn't change her magnificence. HAHA. Ok. I'm done. I love you for this. You win. Thanks Queen Nikki :) You're not like they said you was. We love everybody!
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