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Post by 14887fan on Jan 17, 2017 19:33:41 GMT -5
 52nd ACM Awards Host(s): Luke Bryan & Dierks Bentley When: April 2, 2017 at 8pm/7c β’ CBS Where: T-Mobile Arena β’ Las Vegas, NV
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 17, 2017 19:41:38 GMT -5
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Eligibility Period: November 26, 2015 - November 23, 2016
Last Year's Winners
Entertainer: Jason Aldean
Male: Chris Stapleton
Female: Miranda Lambert
New Male: Chris Stapleton
New Female: Kelsea Ballerini
New Duo/Group: Old Dominion
Group: Little Big Town
Duo: Florida George Line
Album: Traveller, Chris Stapleton
Single: "Die A Happy Man," Thomas Rhett
Song: "Nobody To Blame," Chris Stapleton
Music Video: "Mr. Misunderstood," Eric Church
Musical Event: "Smokin' and Drinkin'," Miranda Lambert ft. Little Big Town
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Post by sabre14 on Jan 18, 2017 17:56:16 GMT -5
I went ahead and stickied the thread. :)
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Post by seak05 on Jan 18, 2017 18:01:08 GMT -5
I feel like we can just go ahead and pencil in Miranda as the winner for everything a) bc her new album was really good and b) because she always wins
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Jan 18, 2017 18:28:53 GMT -5
I know it can get tiresome to some people, but I'm really hoping to see Miranda getting some big awards for "The Weight of These Wings" and "Vice"!
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Post by someguy on Jan 18, 2017 19:02:58 GMT -5
I know it can get tiresome to some people, but I'm really hoping to see Miranda getting some big awards for "The Weight of These Wings" and "Vice"! Me too. I think that she's really deserving this year. |
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Post by seak05 on Jan 18, 2017 19:13:53 GMT -5
I know it can get tiresome to some people, but I'm really hoping to see Miranda getting some big awards for "The Weight of These Wings" and "Vice"! Me too. I think that she's really deserving this year. The problem with winning every year, even in years you aren't deserving, is that it makes winning feel less special/and less like something you earned. Anyways Miranda totally deserves FVOTY this year...and she'll almost certainly get it, but I don't think she deserves single, song, video, or album (or entertainer) and she'll probably pick up at least 1 or 2 of those as well. Anyways I just hope they don't pair up Luke and Dustin again as hosts, that was painful. |
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Post by someguy on Jan 18, 2017 19:32:36 GMT -5
Me too. I think that she's really deserving this year. The problem with winning every year, even in years you aren't deserving, is that it makes winning feel less special/and less like something you earned. Anyways Miranda totally deserves FVOTY this year...and she'll almost certainly get it, but I don't think she deserves single, song, video, or album (or entertainer) and she'll probably pick up at least 1 or 2 of those as well.Β Anyways I just hope they don't pair up Luke and Dustin again as hosts, that was painful. I'd be happy with her getting song, video, album or female this year. Entertainer definitely not, and I don't think she should win single either. I guess we'll see what happens though. |
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 18, 2017 19:37:35 GMT -5
Me too. I think that she's really deserving this year. The problem with winning every year, even in years you aren't deserving, is that it makes winning feel less special/and less like something you earned. Anyways Miranda totally deserves FVOTY this year...and she'll almost certainly get it, but I don't think she deserves single, song, video, or album (or entertainer) and she'll probably pick up at least 1 or 2 of those as well. Anyways I just hope they don't pair up Luke and Dustin again as hosts, that was painful. I disagree. In all honesty, she probably deserves an award for the album proper or a single/song/video award for "Vice" than she does FVOTY, since Carrie Underwood still had the bigger year lol. I'd personally rather see her get another Album of the Year trophy and something like Song of the Year for "Vice." |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 19:40:31 GMT -5
I'm more of the watch Maren Morris win it all at the ACMs and I mean all the awards she can get. Get some pure fresh blood at the pedestal. Although this is the ACMs the award show that has Luke Bryan and Dierks Bentley host and no offense to anyone that liked them, I found it awful as a whole..
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 18, 2017 19:50:23 GMT -5
I'm more of the watch Maren Morris win it all at the ACMs and I mean all the awards she can get. Get some pure fresh blood at the pedestal. Although this is the ACMs the award show that has Luke Bryan and Dierks Bentley host and no offense to anyone that liked them, I found it awful as a whole.. They're no Carrie Underwood and Brad Paisley. |
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Post by gingersnap on Jan 18, 2017 19:56:28 GMT -5
Personally,I would perfer Miranda to win the awards,I just am not a fan of Maren's, not really a fan of Carrie's either, but she probably has had the best year far as female vocalist and song/single of the year go.
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Post by seak05 on Jan 18, 2017 19:59:55 GMT -5
The problem with winning every year, even in years you aren't deserving, is that it makes winning feel less special/and less like something you earned. Anyways Miranda totally deserves FVOTY this year...and she'll almost certainly get it, but I don't think she deserves single, song, video, or album (or entertainer) and she'll probably pick up at least 1 or 2 of those as well. Anyways I just hope they don't pair up Luke and Dustin again as hosts, that was painful. I disagree. In all honesty, she probably deserves an award for the album proper or a single/song/video award for "Vice" than she does FVOTY, since Carrie Underwood still had the bigger year lol. I'd personally rather see her get another Album of the Year trophy and something like Song of the Year for "Vice." TBF I generally think M/F VOTY should go to people who have put out albums + toured + sales in that year, so I don't think Chris should win for MV either. As for album, well none of the ones I think should win are likely to even be nominated, but while I like TWOTW I think: Margo, Sturgill, Brandy, Cody Jinks, Lori McKenna were all better. As far as the mainstream albums go, big selling albums go, TWOTW was my favorite. And it's the same thing for Song, Vice is good, but "Humble and Kind" "My Church" etc were better (and bigger hits). |
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Jan 18, 2017 20:11:54 GMT -5
The problem with winning every year, even in years you aren't deserving, is that it makes winning feel less special/and less like something you earned. Anyways Miranda totally deserves FVOTY this year...and she'll almost certainly get it, but I don't think she deserves single, song, video, or album (or entertainer) and she'll probably pick up at least 1 or 2 of those as well. Anyways I just hope they don't pair up Luke and Dustin again as hosts, that was painful. I disagree. In all honesty, she probably deserves an award for the album proper or a single/song/video award for "Vice" than she does FVOTY, since Carrie Underwood still had the bigger year lol. I'd personally rather see her get another Album of the Year trophy and something like Song of the Year for "Vice." I agree... I personally would love to see her winning Album and Song! Those are the ones I think she really deserves as I feel both "The Weight of These Wings" and "Vice" are above everything that's been released in mainstream country this past year. I personally wouldn't mind seeing someone like Maren getting Female Vocalist just to chance it up a bit (but Carrie would also be deserving)! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 20:39:06 GMT -5
Me too. I think that she's really deserving this year. The problem with winning every year, even in years you aren't deserving, is that it makes winning feel less special/and less like something you earned. Anyways Miranda totally deserves FVOTY this year...and she'll almost certainly get it, but I don't think she deserves single, song, video, or album (or entertainer) and she'll probably pick up at least 1 or 2 of those as well. Anyways I just hope they don't pair up Luke and Dustin again as hosts, that was painful. She does not deserve FVOTY this year, all she had was "Vice", released in July and reached #11. Carrie blew everyone out of the water this eligibility period. I could see Miranda winning Album and Song. That's really it though. And to your next post (so I don't double post). Carrie toured like a mean streak this past year, amassed a lot of sales from not only her album, but most of her single sales came in the period, and her album was only barely released outside the eligibility period. |
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Post by seak05 on Jan 19, 2017 10:10:14 GMT -5
The problem with winning every year, even in years you aren't deserving, is that it makes winning feel less special/and less like something you earned. Anyways Miranda totally deserves FVOTY this year...and she'll almost certainly get it, but I don't think she deserves single, song, video, or album (or entertainer) and she'll probably pick up at least 1 or 2 of those as well. Anyways I just hope they don't pair up Luke and Dustin again as hosts, that was painful. She does not deserve FVOTY this year, all she had was "Vice", released in July and reached #11. Carrie blew everyone out of the water this eligibility period. I could see Miranda winning Album and Song. That's really it though. And to your next post (so I don't double post). Carrie toured like a mean streak this past year, amassed a lot of sales from not only her album, but most of her single sales came in the period, and her album was only barely released outside the eligibility period. Miranda released her album, weight of these wings, during the eligibility period. Carrie's was eligible last year. Carrie should've won last year, and it's a farce that she didn't. |
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Post by zaclord π on Jan 19, 2017 11:50:58 GMT -5
What's the eligibility with albums though? Isn't there something weird that you can be eligible for nomination if the majority of the sales or singles or something happened within the eligibility period? Whatever this is led to Eric Church's Chief to receive a nomination (or maybe be nominated for a second year in a row?) and a win for Best Album a few years back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 17:46:06 GMT -5
She does not deserve FVOTY this year, all she had was "Vice", released in July and reached #11. Carrie blew everyone out of the water this eligibility period. I could see Miranda winning Album and Song. That's really it though. And to your next post (so I don't double post). Carrie toured like a mean streak this past year, amassed a lot of sales from not only her album, but most of her single sales came in the period, and her album was only barely released outside the eligibility period. Miranda released her album, weight of these wings, during the eligibility period. Carrie's was eligible last year. Carrie should've won last year, and it's a farce that she didn't. Yes, which is why I'd be fine seeing TWOTW in Album of the year and not Storyteller. But you said a win based on touring, an album, sales, singles, etc. Carrie toured her butt off. Amassed plenty of sales from singles and from the album because there's only one month of sales unavailable for the album because it was released October 2015, and eligibility started a month later. She's had three #1s in the eligibility period. Carrie has a fantastic case for Female Vocalist, and in my opinion Entertainer of the Year. Miranda has a case for Album. |
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 19, 2017 18:07:12 GMT -5
She does not deserve FVOTY this year, all she had was "Vice", released in July and reached #11. Carrie blew everyone out of the water this eligibility period. I could see Miranda winning Album and Song. That's really it though. And to your next post (so I don't double post). Carrie toured like a mean streak this past year, amassed a lot of sales from not only her album, but most of her single sales came in the period, and her album was only barely released outside the eligibility period. Miranda released her album, weight of these wings, during the eligibility period. Carrie's was eligible last year. Carrie should've won last year, and it's a farce that she didn't. Carrie Underwood's Storyteller was not nominated for Album of the Year at last year's ceremony, and presumably because it likely wasn't submitted for consideration. If I'm not mistaken (and I'm 99% sure I'm not, as there've been numerous examples of this in the past that confused me), there are extenuating circumstances at awards shows like the CMAs and the ACMs where, if there's a certain chunk of time between the release of a song or album and the beginning or end of an eligibility period, they can opt to submit work for the following year. (The GRAMMYs are more strict on this rule, which is why we've seen songs like Train's "Hey, Soul Sister" and Pharrell's "Happy" win for live recordings of performances of the song.) It also has a lot to do with the overall performance of a piece of work. If labels feel as though a body of work/a song will perform at its absolute best after x amount of time, and (again) was released within that little time chunk that I mentioned, then they can opt to submit it for the following year; I think that's what we'll see with Storyteller for this year. The album wasn't even beyond 4 weeks old at the time of its release last year when the cutoff for the ACM eligibility period came about, so if it were to have been nominated last year, it would've undoubtedly lost because of its lack of impact. Carrie didn't even start touring for the album until around the exact same time the nominations came out, and "Heartbeat" had just been released. We hadn't even begun to see the yearlong tour, the successes of "Heartbeat," "Church Bells," and "Dirty Laundry," or just about anything else she did for the record. So, case in point, Carrie may very well receive an Album of the Year nomination this year for Storyteller. Stay tuned, y'all. Also, it wouldn't have been a "farce" if she lost. Storyteller was/is a fantastic album, but I wouldn't be butthurt if it ended up losing to Mr. Misunderstood last year or The Weight of These Wings (or Hero) this year. I went ahead and stickied the thread. :) Thank you so much, sabre! I know it can get tiresome to some people, but I'm really hoping to see Miranda getting some big awards for "The Weight of These Wings" and "Vice"! In total agreement here. I think she's got a strong, strong chance for Song of the Year for "Vice" and Album of the Year. I don't think she'll be seeing much support for Female, but I could be very wrong with that. |
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Post by someguy on Jan 19, 2017 18:11:25 GMT -5
The ACMs used to (still do?) have a rule where an album could be considered in a different year than its eligibility year if a certain percentage of its sales fell within that other year. So, if the eligibility period was Jan. to Dec. (just as an example), and an album came out December 15th, sold 150k between the 15th and the 31st, but then went on to sell a million between Jan and Dec of the following year, it would be eligible in the year after its eligibility period. I don't remember what the cutoff percentage was, but it was quite high I think.
I've probably said this in a more confusing way than necessary, lol.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Jan 19, 2017 18:12:17 GMT -5
I often see people use stats like sales, charts, touring, etc, as top reasons to justify an award like Female Vocalist of the Year. I never understand if that's their own subjective take on what the award should be about or if those are the actual objective points this category awards. I always thought the category awarded who voters felt were the ones that represented the genre the best that especΓfic year, and that could mean very different things to each voter depending on how you jugded that representation - commercially or in terms of the quality of the work put out (or both). Am I wrong? Are these awards based on objetive or subjetive reasons? (Or we don't know? LOL)
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Post by someguy on Jan 19, 2017 18:14:39 GMT -5
I often see people use stats like sales, charts, touring, etc, as top reasons to justify an award like Female Vocalist of the Year. I never understand if that's their own subjective take on what the award should be about or if those are the actual objective points this category awards. I always thought the category awarded who voters felt were the ones that represented the genre the best that especΓfic year, and that could mean very different things to each voter depending on how you jugded that representation - commercially or in terms of the quality of the work put out (or both). Am I wrong? Are these awards based on objetive or subjetive reasons. I think any award like this is based on objective reasons, to a point. The Billboard awards are the only ones that are strictly based on chart performances. Of course, there are limits to this - Patty Loveless isn't going to get any votes for 2017 Female Vocalist of the Year. But I think that each voter brings what's important to them into their vote. |
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 19, 2017 18:21:48 GMT -5
Some places where I think we'll see some stiff competition... Entertainer could see competition between the same people we saw nominated at the ACMs: Garth Brooks, Carrie Underwood, Luke Bryan, Chris Stapleton, and Keith Urban. I could also see (and hope) Eric Church getting a nomination. Honestly not sure where this one could lead, but I'd love for nothing more than to see Carrie Underwood become the first woman to win Entertainer of the Year 3 times at the ACMs. Male will undoubtedly see competition because basically 90% of country artists that are successful enough to get award nominations at these things are dudes. Female will be a toss-up, as the ACMs now have actual reason to award Miranda Lambert, unlike 2 or 3 of her past 7 consecutive wins, but Carrie Underwood would be a worthy winner this year (and, let's be real here, is the rightful one, too). Maren Morris' breakthrough could be enough to get this for her, and Kelsea Ballerini seems to defy every odd I think she'll get stopped by, so I wouldn't be surprised if we saw her take this as a dark horse. Song & Single will probably see heat between "My Church," "Humble and Kind," and "Vice." H&K walked away victorious at the CMAs over 'Church,' which leads me to believe that it could happen again at the ACMs, but with "Vice" likely being in the mix this time around, I don't know how well it'll hold up. But honestly, whether it's Maren Morris, Tim McGraw/Lori McKenna (for Song), or Miranda Lambert winning these is fine by me; they're all deserving. Album will probably consist of Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, and Maren Morris, making for a great battle between 3 deserving women. Keith Urban will probably get a nomination for Ripcord, and maybe the fifth will belong to...a group? I don't know. Dierks, maybe? Brothers Osborne's Pawn Shop would be a pleasant surprise. Doubtful that Margo Price, Sturgill Simpson, or anyone more traditional-leaning will show up here (or anywhere in the nominations), despite total deservingness. We'll see. Also, it's worth noting that the ACMs have undergone a huge staffing change: Pete Fisher of the Grand Ole Opry is now the CEO of the Academy. I often see people use stats like sales, charts, touring, etc, as top reasons to justify an award like Female Vocalist of the Year. I never understand if that's their own subjective take on what the award should be about or if those are the actual objective points this category awards. I always thought the category awarded who voters felt were the ones that represented the genre the best that especΓfic year, and that could mean very different things to each voter depending on how you jugded that representation - commercially or in terms of the quality of the work put out (or both). Am I wrong? Are these awards based on objetive or subjetive reasons? (Or we don't know? LOL) Truth be told, there really is no definitive rhyme or reason as to why these shows award whomever they award a Vocalist trophy. As someguy mentioned, nobody's going to be putting Patty Loveless or Barbara Mandrell or Gretchen Wilson on the ballot this year because...what've they done that was bigger or better or more deserving than the likes of Underwood, Lambert, Morris, Musgraves, Ballerini, Cam, etc.? But, by the same token, there's a tricky component of balancing that with why "bigger" matters in this equation, because, after all, these are performance awards; not "Most Successful ______ Vocalist" awards (which is something that most fans get incredibly carried away with, and neglect to understand). So there's layers of both objectivity and subjectivity added to 'em. |
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Jan 19, 2017 18:22:15 GMT -5
I often see people use stats like sales, charts, touring, etc, as top reasons to justify an award like Female Vocalist of the Year. I never understand if that's their own subjective take on what the award should be about or if those are the actual objective points this category awards. I always thought the category awarded who voters felt were the ones that represented the genre the best that especΓfic year, and that could mean very different things to each voter depending on how you jugded that representation - commercially or in terms of the quality of the work put out (or both). Am I wrong? Are these awards based on objetive or subjetive reasons. I think any award like this is based on objective reasons, to a point. The Billboard awards are the only ones that are strictly based on chart performances. Of course, there are limits to this - Patty Loveless isn't going to get any votes for 2017 Female Vocalist of the Year. But I think that each voter brings what's important to them into their vote. Sure, there are objetive rules (  at the Patty Loveless example LOL). When I asked about how objetive or subjetive it is, I meant about using stats like sales or radio success over what they feel has better artistic value (or vice versa). Is a sincere question because I 've always felt it was basically what voters liked the best but commercial success is always put in discussion as a decisive factor, so It gets confusing in my opinion. I guess it is subjetive and both are important to different voters... |
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Post by someguy on Jan 19, 2017 18:28:35 GMT -5
14887fan said it far better than I did, but I agree with him 100%.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Jan 19, 2017 18:32:13 GMT -5
Some places where I think we'll see some stiff competition... Album will probably consist of Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, and Maren Morris, making for a great battle between 3 deserving women. Keith Urban will probably get a nomination for Ripcord, and maybe the fifth will belong to...a group? I don't know. Dierks, maybe? Brothers Osborne's Pawn Shop would be a pleasant surprise. Doubtful that Margo Price, Sturgill Simpson, or anyone more traditional-leaning will show up here (or anywhere in the nominations), despite total deservingness. We'll see. I'm sure I won't happen, but it would awesome if Brandy could sneak in Album, with the category ending up with 4 females! I would be epic (which is way I'm sure I won't happen LOL) |
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 19, 2017 18:34:46 GMT -5
14887fan said it far better than I did, but I agree with him 100%. Ha! Thanks. Your way made sense, too! Some places where I think we'll see some stiff competition... Album will probably consist of Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, and Maren Morris, making for a great battle between 3 deserving women. Keith Urban will probably get a nomination for Ripcord, and maybe the fifth will belong to...a group? I don't know. Dierks, maybe? Brothers Osborne's Pawn Shop would be a pleasant surprise. Doubtful that Margo Price, Sturgill Simpson, or anyone more traditional-leaning will show up here (or anywhere in the nominations), despite total deservingness. We'll see. I'm sure I won't happen, but it would awesome if Brandy could sneak in Album, with the category ending up with females! I would be epic (which is way I'm sure I won't happen LOL) That'd be amazing. |
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Jan 19, 2017 18:37:48 GMT -5
I often see people use stats like sales, charts, touring, etc, as top reasons to justify an award like Female Vocalist of the Year. I never understand if that's their own subjective take on what the award should be about or if those are the actual objective points this category awards. I always thought the category awarded who voters felt were the ones that represented the genre the best that especΓfic year, and that could mean very different things to each voter depending on how you jugded that representation - commercially or in terms of the quality of the work put out (or both). Am I wrong? Are these awards based on objetive or subjetive reasons? (Or we don't know? LOL) Truth be told, there really is no definitive rhyme or reason as to why these shows award whomever they award a Vocalist trophy. As someguy mentioned, nobody's going to be putting Patty Loveless or Barbara Mandrell or Gretchen Wilson on the ballot this year because...what've they done that was bigger or better or more deserving than the likes of Underwood, Lambert, Morris, Musgraves, Ballerini, Cam, etc.? But, by the same token, there's a tricky component of balancing that with why "bigger" matters in this equation, because, after all, these are performance awards; not "Most Successful ______ Vocalist" awards (which is something that most fans get incredibly carried away with, and neglect to understand). So there's layers of both objectivity and subjectivity added to 'em. Sorry for the double post... I'm using my iPad and I have a very hard time replying to different stuff with it... i always mess up my responses I just wanted to thank and point out that was a very eloquent and enlightening post... is how I felt it was but just wasn't sure. I guess it sums it up perfectly how voting works |
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Post by seak05 on Jan 19, 2017 18:40:06 GMT -5
If you can choose which year to submit, then why did Eric Church submit Mr. Misunderstood last year? When it was blindingly obvious to everyone that Traveler was going to win? (that album dropped in November). In terms of mainstream albums I'd go Sturgil > Eric (if it's allowed) > Miranda > Carrie (but I'd still take Jinks, Clark, or McKenna over them).
If Carries is counting her album as this year, then yeah she should probably take FVOTY over Miranda. Shrug, I think having the same people nominated & winning every year is bad on general principle. I prefer he way that the grammy's does it in that respect. Adele is great, but she isn't nominated every year. And winning an award based on an album released a year and a half prior to the award, seems a bit odd (to me). But Miranda did release an album, a single, and did tour this summer, so her winning FV would be reasonable (unlike last year).
Also for the guys/entertainer, man it's hard: Garth has the best touring numbers, Luke is obviously a touring monster, Eric has a great tour going now, but it just started. Chris has the best album sales. Keith will probably get a nomination, Dierks too (but he doesn't really have the numbers to compete with the others). Interesting to see if Jason or Blake gets a nomination. Blake has the album sales, and did his little mini-tour thing + TV. If a woman is going to get an entertainer nom, it should clearly be Carrie.
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Post by someguy on Jan 19, 2017 20:27:46 GMT -5
My understanding of the sales rule is that it's not a matter of choosing which year to submit, but rather that if you accumulate a certain percentage of album sales the next year, you gain an additional year of eligibility. So, Carrie likely didn't make it in last year, but due to her sales, she would also be eligible this year (assuming she meets the percentage requirements).
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