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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 0:54:05 GMT -5
magik if it's a vendetta - actually even if it isn't - I don't think NARAS necessarily cares how obviously political things might look from the outside (like you said, Grammys has plenty of 'political snub' examples to choose from). And my reason for thinking it might affect the votes is that if there is an underlying reason for the snub, it could turn the same voters who nominated him against him before the final vote. My money was kind of on Kesha though so it may be a moot point. With that said, 'whose cornflakes did he piss in' is a bit hyperbolic; I don't mean to imply I'm in full-on conspiracy theory mode about it yet lol. He's obviously out of favor with the inner circle right now, and it's a mystery when so many people - including critics, who you kind of expect to be 'in the know' - predicted him to be up for/favored to win some of the big awards. But if it weren't for the compilation omission, we could easily to chalk it up to him simply falling on the wrong side of NARAS' attempts to diversify the noms. I'm drawing blanks right now to think if there could be any random clearance issues that could explain it, but it could be something that innocuous. It could also be something as simple as his own label choosing to put most of their support behind their other artists this year (which is something I think Queen of Insomnia. alluded to a page or two ago), and NARAS would have nothing to do with that. Now if Ed also doesn't perform, I will probably jump on the conspiracy boat.
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Post by magik on Dec 19, 2017 1:06:21 GMT -5
His general field snubs are merely the work of the BRP snubbing him, not necessarily the mass majority of voters. Chances are he made the top 15 and the BRP opted to leave him out so there wouldn't be an obvious sweep for him, especially after a British woman swept the entire general field last year. "Shape of You" and Divide are mediocre, but that didn't stop other mediocre songs from being nominated. NARAS may still vote for him in the final round.
And Kesha is not winning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 1:13:35 GMT -5
IDK, I think Praying has a solid shot. (I should have clarified I meant pop solo and not pop album, don't see her winning the latter.) Ed just doesn't feel like the sure bet that I thought he was a month ago. With none of the pop solo or pop album nominees being up for major awards, it's almost anyone's ball game.
As for trying to avoid an obvious sweep in the majors, I get that to an extent. But throwing him one SOTY bone would have fit just fine into that. It didn't have to be all or nothing. I feel like I really need to clarify that I don't think his absence in those categories is an injustice lol, it's just strange.
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Post by magik on Dec 19, 2017 1:25:56 GMT -5
IDK, I think Praying has a solid shot. (I should have clarified I meant pop solo and not pop album, don't see her winning the latter.) Ed just doesn't feel like the sure bet that I thought he was a month ago. With none of the pop solo or pop album nominees being up for major awards, it's almost anyone's ball game. As for trying to avoid an obvious sweep in the majors, I get that to an extent. But throwing him one SOTY bone would have fit just fine into that. It didn't have to be all or nothing. I feel like I really need to clarify that I don't think his absence in those categories is an injustice lol, it's just strange. He can always end up like Justin T. during the 20/20 era with nothing in the pop field, but "Perfect" being this huge thing during voting period makes it harder for him to go completely unrewarded. And I just don't think Kesha will win either of those categories. The winners in Pop Solo have all been either #1 or #2 hits. "Praying" was not even a top 20 hit. And she has never been a Grammy nominee until this year. Even with all of the sexual harassment stuff going on this, I still don't understand why people are claiming she is the frontrunner. She may be deserving, but that doesn't matter here. Ed should easily win Pop Solo and Pop Album. I only see Gaga as a threat, albeit not very big.
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Post by Queen of Insomnia. on Dec 19, 2017 14:57:24 GMT -5
Nothing is easy for Ed right now and it's not just about BRP. I don't think Perfect changes anything. In fact it already did some damage for Bey. Ed is seen is one of those acts you only collab with to get a quick hit. He just isn't cool at all. When people supposed to vote for him bc they don't mind his music...they just don't. Personally I think he should be banned from doing interviews bc the pettiness he serves on regular basis in 2017 is all sorts of wrong. It's the same dude that claims he only had Adele left to beat, but on the other time he said something like... he didn't want to compete with Taylor/Bruno/The Weeknd etc... It doesn't speak highly of him, does it? He's way too self-conscious for someone as commercially successful as him. How does it look like compared to Bruno/Kendrick situation who just keep doing their thing? He could take some notes from both for sure.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2017 15:25:31 GMT -5
Nothing is easy for Ed right now and it's not just about BRP. I don't think Perfect changes anything. In fact it already did some damage for Bey. Ed is seen is one of those acts you only collab with to get a quick hit. He just isn't cool at all. When people supposed to vote for him bc they don't mind his music...they just don't. Personally I think he should be banned from doing interviews bc the pettiness he serves on regular basis in 2017 is all sorts of wrong. It's the same dude that claims he only had Adele left to beat, but on the other time he said something like... he didn't want to compete with Taylor/Bruno/The Weeknd etc... It doesn't speak highly of him, does it? He's way too self-conscious for someone as commercially successful as him. How does it look like compared to Bruno/Kendrick situation who just keep doing their thing? He could take some notes from both for sure. What is odd to me is something clearly changed this era in terms of the general field categories. He got a SOTY nod for "A Team," which wasn't even a big hit in the U.S. Since then he's gotten other general field nods. All of that shows he had some support among those panels. Additionally, he won SOTY and Pop Solo last time around, so clearly he had support among NARAS to get those wins. He also had noms in Pop Album and even Song for Visual Media, so that is more evidence he had support within NARAS. This year he got the expected Pop Album and Pop Solo nods, so I don't think there is clear evidence he lost support among genre voters. He was obviously shut out of the general categories, but I believe the panel changes each year so it could be that this year's panel just didn't care for him. My point is more I don't think there is evidence to support much of anything yet. If he loses Pop Solo and/or Pop Album it would be telling, but as of now you can really only talk about the panel that decides the general field nominees.
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Post by magik on Dec 19, 2017 16:53:51 GMT -5
Nothing is easy for Ed right now and it's not just about BRP. I don't think Perfect changes anything. In fact it already did some damage for Bey. Ed is seen is one of those acts you only collab with to get a quick hit. He just isn't cool at all. When people supposed to vote for him bc they don't mind his music...they just don't. Personally I think he should be banned from doing interviews bc the pettiness he serves on regular basis in 2017 is all sorts of wrong. It's the same dude that claims he only had Adele left to beat, but on the other time he said something like... he didn't want to compete with Taylor/Bruno/The Weeknd etc... It doesn't speak highly of him, does it? He's way too self-conscious for someone as commercially successful as him. How does it look like compared to Bruno/Kendrick situation who just keep doing their thing? He could take some notes from both for sure. What is odd to me is something clearly changed this era in terms of the general field categories. He got a SOTY nod for "A Team," which wasn't even a big hit in the U.S. Since then he's gotten other general field nods. All of that shows he had some support among those panels. Additionally, he won SOTY and Pop Solo last time around, so clearly he had support among NARAS to get those wins. He also had noms in Pop Album and even Song for Visual Media, so that is more evidence he had support within NARAS. This year he got the expected Pop Album and Pop Solo nods, so I don't think there is clear evidence he lost support among general voters. He was obviously shut out of the general categories, but I believe the panel changes each year so it could be that this year's panel just didn't care for him. My point is more I don't think there is evidence to support much of anything yet. If he loses Pop Solo and/or Pop Album it would be telling, but as of now you can really only talk about the panel that decides the general field nominees. There was even a point where he was only getting general field nominations with no supporting genre nominations. I really don't think his snubs will be indicative of his support in the pop field because as you said, he got those obvious nominations. Ed will most likely win the pop categories based on his massive popularity and this idea that he was "snubbed." Still will hold to the idea that the Kesha/Kelly/ (to a lesser extent) Gaga mentions are merely wishful thinking by fans.
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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 19, 2017 21:21:39 GMT -5
I think if anything, Praying cuts into Gaga's chances of winning more than anyone else. I think she (Gaga) is the major contender against Ed in both Pop categories.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2017 21:54:37 GMT -5
I think she (Gaga) is the major contender against Ed in both Pop categories. Why?
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Post by Glove Slap on Dec 19, 2017 22:06:29 GMT -5
I think she (Gaga) is the major contender against Ed in both Pop categories. Why? She has the strongest history imo (though P!nk has had a mostly consistent streak of nominations too). Aside from Artpop, her other studio albums have gotten nominations, and her collaboration with Bennett also won a Grammy. Additionally, I think the circles outside Mainstream Pop hold a slightly more "respectful" opinion of her than most pop stars, both from her eccentricities/individuality and peak. Although she's past her high point commercially, I think opinion of her within the industry is still on the higher end. She was also able to get nominations this time with the oldest material in the category, long after their peak commercially had passed, showing that she was kept in mind. If I had to pick a frontrunner, I'd still say Ed, but she'd be next up over the other three due to a combination of factors that don't benefit the other three as much. And if I had to think of who Praying would draw the most votes away from, it'd be her as well.
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 20, 2017 4:51:07 GMT -5
I think the album award is the one for Gaga, Shape of You is likely to win the song category.
Let's be real: Divide isn't very good album and it winning over Joanne or Rainbow would be a travesty. On Metacritic it has the USER score of 4.2 which is exceptional: many times the user score is better than critics score.
Scores for others: Rainbow: 81 (critics), 8.2 (users) Joanne: 67, 8.0 Divide: 62, 4.2 Evolve: 47, 6.9 (this is a bizarre nom tbh) Kaleidoscope: 63, 6.7 Lust for Life: 78, 7.8
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Post by shayonce on Dec 20, 2017 6:04:51 GMT -5
like those points are matter to voters that much. it's not critic's award, bur popular vote award from all those random people in the industry. hit single matter, big name matter, universal sound matter, positive images matter more than critics.
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Post by shayonce on Dec 20, 2017 6:14:58 GMT -5
ed's snub is just the result of this year's nomination committee(15~20 people), that's all. nothing to read after that. it has zero indication for his less support in pop, in fact it only increase it with whole "poor ed" title, + some people's agenda with "they should award big commercial acts" like HDD. I told you guys before nomination.. nomination prediction is meaningless because it's all committee's decision of each's agenda to award diversity or critic darling or commercial forces, old or new, indie or mainstream.. and who is more vocal about those.
previous ed and current ed is obviously in different position from himself to current climate. he was the rookie with big commercial break, now he's one of big mainstream popstar that everything goes #1, just big commercial act. so that and adele situation, committee probably wanted different direction for nominee, more urban, less commercial. and thinking about this... If Beyonce won AOTY last year, ed probably got nomination.
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Post by magik on Dec 20, 2017 11:15:59 GMT -5
If there is a such thing as "vote-splitting," Ed really doesn't have anybody to split with. Being the only male + Gaga/Kesha and Kelly/P!nk fighting for votes.
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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Dec 24, 2017 1:17:50 GMT -5
RE: The Grammy album - It's worth noting that "Shape Of You" never appeared on the Now That's What I Call Music series in either the US or the UK, so maybe it's just one of those songs that the label won't license out for use on other albums.
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Post by DJ General on Jan 3, 2018 13:15:31 GMT -5
Here are all of the "General" nominees... do you think all of them will perform? We should be getting some announcements any day now.
I think Childish Gambino would be awesome to see live, and I think it is the type of song that will really benefit digitally from a performance.
I hope Lorde gets a chance at another big award show after her AMA performance when she was sick. She really deserves it. Also, "Homemade Dynamite" could allow SZA and Khalid who are also nominated to get included in a spot. It would be very smart.
I also hope Julia Michaels gets her chance to shine with a giant performance. Would be cool to see a mashup as well. I'd like to see her do something with Lil' Uzi Vert. For some reason, that just seems like it would be awesome lol.
Childish Gambino Luis Fonsi/Daddy Yankee/Justin Bieber Jay-Z Kendrick Lamar Bruno Mars Lorde Julia Michaels Logic Alessia Cara Khalid Lil' Uzi Vert SZA
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Post by DJ General on Jan 3, 2018 13:19:04 GMT -5
Childish Gambino - Redbone Luis Fonsi/Daddy Yankee/Justin Bieber - Desposito Jay-Z - Family Feud (with special guest Beyonce) Kendrick Lamar - Album Track Bruno Mars / Cardi B - Finesse (Remix) Lorde / SZA / Khalid - Homemade Dynamite (Remix) Logic / Alessia Cara - 1-800 Julia Michaels / Lil' Uzi Vert - MASH UP Eminem / Ed Sheeran / Taylor Swift / Future - Mega Mash Up, Ed solo (Perfect w/ Beyonce, into River with Eminem and end with End Game with Taylor and Future)
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Post by Troublemaker on Jan 3, 2018 13:40:20 GMT -5
Eminem / Ed Sheeran / Taylor Swift / Future - Mega Mash Up, Ed solo (Perfect w/ Beyonce, into River with Eminem and end with End Game with Taylor and Future) Assuming Ed doesn't boycott them after the snub
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Post by anafan on Jan 4, 2018 10:13:01 GMT -5
GRAMMY® NOMINEES CHILDISH GAMBINO, LADY GAGA, LITTLE BIG TOWN, AND P!NK SET TO BRING MUSIC’S BIGGEST NIGHT® BACK TO NEW YORK AFTER 15 YEARS GRAMMY WINNER PATTI LUPONE AND CURRENT NOMINEE BEN PLATT TO HERALD A SPECIAL BROADWAY TRIBUTE AT THE “60TH GRAMMY AWARDS®” ON JAN. 28 ON CBS Music’s Biggest Night® Will Be Hosted by Award-winning Host and Performer James Corden CBS and the Recording Academy® announce the first group of artists to perform on this year’s milestone 60TH ANNUAL GRAMMY AWARDS®. Taking the stage on Music’s Biggest Night® will be current GRAMMY nominee Childish Gambino, GRAMMY winner and current nominee Lady Gaga, GRAMMY winners and current nominees Little Big Town, and GRAMMY winner and current nominee P!nk. Additionally, in light of the show’s return to New York after 15 years, two-time GRAMMY winner Patti LuPone will reprise her 1981 performance of “Don’t Cry For Me Argentina,” and “Dear Evan Hansen’s” currently nominated Ben Platt will perform a classic from “West Side Story,” in a special Broadway tribute honoring the music of Andrew Lloyd Webber and Leonard Bernstein. Hosted by James Corden, award-winning host of THE LATE LATE SHOW, THE 60TH ANNUAL GRAMMY AWARDS will be broadcast LIVE from Madison Square Garden in New York Sunday, Jan. 28 (7:30–11:00 PM, live ET/4:30–8:00 PM, live PT) on the CBS Television Network. Making his GRAMMY stage debut, Childish Gambino is currently nominated for five GRAMMY Awards: Album Of The Year and Best Urban Contemporary Album (Awaken, My Love!); and Record Of The Year, Best R&B Song, and Best Traditional R&B Performance (“Redbone”). Set to perform a track from her GRAMMY-nominated album, Joanne (Best Pop Vocal Album), six-time GRAMMY winner Lady Gaga is also nominated for Best Pop Solo Performance (“Million Reasons”). Two-time GRAMMY winners Little Big Town are nominated for Best Country Album (The Breaker) and Best Country Duo/Group Performance (“Better Man”). Three-time GRAMMY winner P!nk is nominated in the Best Pop Solo Performance category for “What About Us.” First-time nominee Ben Platt is up for Best Musical Theater Album (Dear Evan Hansen). THE 60TH ANNUAL GRAMMY AWARDS® is produced by AEG Ehrlich Ventures for the Recording Academy. Ken Ehrlich is executive producer, Louis J. Horvitz is director, Ben Winston is a producer, Chantal Sausedo is the talent producer and David Wild and Ehrlich are the writers. www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/releases/view?id=49268
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Post by ILLUSION on Jan 4, 2018 10:43:36 GMT -5
This is Gaga's 4th consecutive Grammy performance...your fave could never.
2015: Cheek to Cheek with Tony Bennett 2016: Bowie tribute 2017: Metallica collab 2018: ?
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 4, 2018 11:29:15 GMT -5
Finally time for her own solo song lol
Hope it's either MR, Joanne or a new single (doubtful)
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 4, 2018 11:32:10 GMT -5
I'm excited for Lupone and Plat!!!
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Post by Dylan :) on Jan 4, 2018 13:35:01 GMT -5
Set to perform a track from her GRAMMY-nominated album, Joanne (Best Pop Vocal Album), six-time GRAMMY winner Lady Gaga is also nominated for Best Pop Solo Performance (“Million Reasons”). I hope she performs Million Reasons! Also, it would be great if P!nk performed an acoustic/piano version of Beautiful Trauma, although I would also be happy with But We Lost It :)
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 4, 2018 13:42:21 GMT -5
Stoked for all of those performers. Also hoping Kelly Clarkson lands a spot in there. This is Gaga's 4th consecutive Grammy performance...your fave could never. I mean, it's happened before (my fave says hello), but yes, that's definitely something huge to accomplish.
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Post by DJ General on Jan 4, 2018 13:44:07 GMT -5
This is Gaga's 4th consecutive Grammy performance...your fave could never. 2015: Cheek to Cheek with Tony Bennett 2016: Bowie tribute 2017: Metallica collab 2018: ? Stevie Wonder would like a word with you
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Post by DJ General on Jan 4, 2018 13:45:48 GMT -5
GENERAL Artist Nominees:
1/14 so far.
Childish Gambino (CONFIRMED) Luis Fonsi Daddy Yankee Justin Bieber Jay-Z Kendrick Lamar Bruno Mars Lorde Julia Michaels Logic Alessia Cara Khalid Lil' Uzi Vert SZA
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 4, 2018 14:01:27 GMT -5
Watch SZA steal the show
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Post by ILLUSION on Jan 4, 2018 19:23:04 GMT -5
This is Gaga's 4th consecutive Grammy performance...your fave could never. 2015: Cheek to Cheek with Tony Bennett 2016: Bowie tribute 2017: Metallica collab 2018: ? Stevie Wonder would like a word with you Gaga falling under the same category as Stevie Wonder? I'll take that
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Post by Raccoon on Jan 5, 2018 14:45:44 GMT -5
Performances I can see happening:
-Bruno x Cardi: Finesse -Lorde x SZA x Khalid x Post Malone: Homemade Dynamite -Taylor x Ed x Future: End Game -Ed x Beyonce: Perfect Duet -Jay Z x Beyonce: Family Feud -Logix x Alessia x Khalid: 1-800 -Kendrick x Zacari: LOVE.
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