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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 22:56:17 GMT -5
^Yeah, but he's also in a genre that as a whole doesn't perform that well on the charts anymore (although fwiw his album sales are also really not that bad on the whole, except for this last one). All of Me was an aberration that came 10 years, 22 nominations, and 9 wins into his career. My own point is just that there's nothing at all puzzling about his repeated appearances on the show; his darling status has been consistent ever since he won BNA and his commercial status isn't poor enough to feel like he's being forced IMO. Plus, he's just an easy person to trot out when it's a Beyonce off-season and they need someone to fill the r&b quotient.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 11, 2018 23:12:31 GMT -5
^Yeah, but he's also in a genre that as a whole doesn't perform that well on the charts anymore (although fwiw his album sales are also really not that bad on the whole, except for this last one). All of Me was an aberration that came 10 years, 22 nominations, and 9 wins into his career. My own point is just that there's nothing at all puzzling about his repeated appearances on the show; his darling status has been consistent ever since he won BNA and his commercial status isn't poor enough to feel like he's being forced IMO. Plus, he's just an easy person to trot out when it's a Beyonce off-season and they need someone to fill the r&b quotient. Oh I agree, much like Carrie is easy to trot out as a token country act. And hell, they were the hosts of that Grammys special that aired last month.
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 12, 2018 0:35:07 GMT -5
How many times has Legend performed at the GRAMMYs, out of curiosity? I know Carrie’s performed 9 times, if I’m not mistaken.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 12, 2018 8:43:50 GMT -5
John Legend has performed 7 times. He actually went awhile in between performance streaks:
2006 - "Ordinary People" 2007 - "Coming Home" (part of trio with John Mayer and Corinne Bailey Rae) 2008 - "Finally" (playing piano for Fergie) 2014 - "All of Me" 2015 - "Glory" 2016 - Lionel Richie tribute 2017 - In Memorium ("God Only Knows")
Keith Urban and Dave Grohl are two more who perform a lot.
Elton John has been brought out to duet with Eminem, Lady Gaga, and Ed Sheeran.
This will be at least the third year in a row Little Big Town is a performer.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jan 14, 2018 10:39:56 GMT -5
It's not that John isn't worthy of performing on the Grammys, I just don't think anyone should be playing 3, 4, 5 years in a row. There's a wealth of unique talent in the industry.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 14, 2018 10:53:52 GMT -5
It's not that John isn't worthy of performing on the Grammys, I just don't think anyone should be playing 3, 4, 5 years in a row. There's a wealth of unique talent in the industry. Exactly. There are plenty of talented (and even well-known) musicians who never get to perform. And who released new music in those Grammy years. And it's not just John Legend. I love Little Big Town, Miranda Lambert, and Carrie Underwood, but it's basically automatic they will perform when nominated (and even when not nominated). Meanwhile Jason Isbell, Lee Ann Womack, Eric Church, etc rarely (or never) perform.
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Post by DJ General on Jan 15, 2018 18:31:06 GMT -5
I would kill for a Jason Isbell performance. I'm so frickin' tired of seeing LBT, Miranda, Carrie at the show. Again, not that they are bad, but c'mon.... There are so many great country artists. Keith Urban, who does perform a lot, but he's awesome lol. Kacey Musgraves, Thomas Rhett, etc. I'd like to see them more.
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 15, 2018 21:16:54 GMT -5
It’s all about the ratings. If there are nominees who are also powerful name draws, then they’ll go with ‘em, even if it comes at the expense of a critically acclaimed nominee whose name isn’t as recognizable. Hence why Carrie Underwood, John Legend, Lady Gaga, etc. have all been mainstays.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 15, 2018 21:38:00 GMT -5
It’s all about the ratings. If there are nominees who are also powerful name draws, then they’ll go with ‘em, even if it comes at the expense of a critically acclaimed nominee whose name isn’t as recognizable. Hence why Carrie Underwood, John Legend, Lady Gaga, etc. have all been mainstays. Sure, but doesn't mean we have to like it.
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Post by DJ General on Jan 15, 2018 21:46:27 GMT -5
It’s all about the ratings. If there are nominees who are also powerful name draws, then they’ll go with ‘em, even if it comes at the expense of a critically acclaimed nominee whose name isn’t as recognizable. Hence why Carrie Underwood, John Legend, Lady Gaga, etc. have all been mainstays. I hardly believe that Little Big Town are considered a ratings draw. lol Again, I don't think they are bad by any means, but I do not see people racing to the TV to catch them live.
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 16, 2018 0:36:47 GMT -5
It’s all about the ratings. If there are nominees who are also powerful name draws, then they’ll go with ‘em, even if it comes at the expense of a critically acclaimed nominee whose name isn’t as recognizable. Hence why Carrie Underwood, John Legend, Lady Gaga, etc. have all been mainstays. Sure, but doesn't mean we have to like it. Nobody said you had to, either. Super cool point, though. It’s all about the ratings. If there are nominees who are also powerful name draws, then they’ll go with ‘em, even if it comes at the expense of a critically acclaimed nominee whose name isn’t as recognizable. Hence why Carrie Underwood, John Legend, Lady Gaga, etc. have all been mainstays. I hardly believe that Little Big Town are considered a ratings draw. lol Again, I don't think they are bad by any means, but I do not see people racing to the TV to catch them live. Yeah, they're a different story that's pretty inexplicable. Not that I'm complaining because I personally adore them, but they've scored performance spots on the show way more than one would expect considering they really aren't of the same calibre of mega-wattage artists that consistently perform just like them (again, i.e., Carrie, John, Gaga, Keith, etc.). I imagine a lot of consistency also has to do with Ken Erlich & Co. still being in charge every year. He's openly spoken about artists whom which he loves working with on the telecast in interviews (I know this because I specifically recall him discussing Carrie and, I believe, Adele), so I'm sure that has something major to do with it, too. Could be something beyond even the control of agencies or booking/management services.
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Post by DJ General on Jan 16, 2018 23:49:59 GMT -5
This year feels so flat. We need some big announcements!
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 17, 2018 8:55:40 GMT -5
Kendrick Lamar, Sam Smith and U2 Added to Grammy Performers: Exclusive 7-Time Nominee Lamar Set To Open Show, Sources Say Kendrick Lamar, Sam Smith and U2 will perform at the 60th Annual Grammy Awards at New York’s Madison Square Garden on Jan. 28, Billboard has learned. Lamar, who is up for seven awards including album of the year, will open the show, according to sources. Additionally, 2018 President’s Merit Award recipient Elton John will be joined by Miley Cyrus to perform one of John’s classic hits. Two nights later, John and writing partner Bernie Taupin will be honored at the taping of Elton John: I’m Still Standing --A Grammy Salute. The special will air later in the year on CBS. Previously announced Grammy performers include Alessia Cara, Cardi B, Childish Gambino, Daddy Yankee, Luis Fonsi, Kesha, Khalid, Lady Gaga, Little Big Town, Logic, Patti LuPone, Bruno Mars, Pink, Ben Platt and SZA. The 60th Annual Grammy Awards, which will air live on CBS at 7:30 p.m. ET, are produced by AEG Ehrlich Ventures for the Recording Academy. www.billboard.com/articles/news/8094512/kendrick-lamar-sam-smith-u2-grammy-performers-exclusiveNobody needs U2 to be there but I guess it was inevitable.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 17, 2018 9:27:49 GMT -5
U2 and Elton John? And Sam Smith? Are any of them nominated for anything? Geez.
Excited for Lamar to open the show!
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Post by 14887fan on Jan 17, 2018 11:04:08 GMT -5
Miley?
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Post by kanimal on Jan 17, 2018 13:14:29 GMT -5
Hits Daily Double is reporting that Taylor Swift and Lorde won't be performing. Taylor supposedly declined the opportunity. Lorde apparently wasn't invited. Worth noting: HDD originally reported that Elton backed out of the Grammys to protest the Ed Sheeran snubs. Still, this rumor is certainly something worth discussing. hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=310081
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Post by DJ General on Jan 17, 2018 13:26:37 GMT -5
Skipping Ed, Taylor, and Lorde is a disaster. Ed getting shunned is extremely baffling. Especially since he is a safe choice. Makes utterly no sense to me when he had one of the biggest years in music this decade.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 17, 2018 13:59:27 GMT -5
Skipping Ed, Taylor, and Lorde is a disaster. Ed getting shunned is extremely baffling. Especially since he is a safe choice. Makes utterly no sense to me when he had one of the biggest years in music this decade. That HITS thing gives a very viable reason; they skipped him so yet another white person wouldn't triumph over critically hailed minorities. You don't have to like that reason, but it's one that makes sense. And honestly, if Ed passes on performing over that, it's sour grapes. He's won multiple Grammys and had a great year, and he should feel thankful since few artists ever get those things. He needs the Grammys more than they need him, in a general sense. I understand them not asking Lorde right away. She has only has 1 nom, and her album wasn't a big commercial success. It would be cool to give her the exposure, but I see where she isn't an automatic performer.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jan 17, 2018 13:59:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know which year has the lowest ratings in recent years? I feel this year is already competing for that
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Post by Troublemaker on Jan 17, 2018 14:14:35 GMT -5
That HITS thing gives a very viable reason; they skipped him so yet another white person wouldn't triumph over critically hailed minorities. You don't have to like that reason, but it's one that makes sense. And honestly, if Ed passes on performing over that, it's sour grapes. He's won multiple Grammys and had a great year, and he should feel thankful since few artists ever get those things. He needs the Grammys more than they need him, in a general sense. I understand them not asking Lorde right away. She has only has 1 nom, and her album wasn't a big commercial success. It would be cool to give her the exposure, but I see where she isn't an automatic performer. The Grammys need Ed more than he needs them let’s face it. Their compilation left him off and isn’t selling well (another topic). Regardless of how he fares on the 28th he’ll be fine. He’s a HUGE success in Europe! Lorde already sold more than Sturgill and he was invited almost immediately. Her album might not have been a commercial success but it was a critical success.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 17, 2018 14:23:51 GMT -5
That HITS thing gives a very viable reason; they skipped him so yet another white person wouldn't triumph over critically hailed minorities. You don't have to like that reason, but it's one that makes sense. And honestly, if Ed passes on performing over that, it's sour grapes. He's won multiple Grammys and had a great year, and he should feel thankful since few artists ever get those things. He needs the Grammys more than they need him, in a general sense. I understand them not asking Lorde right away. She has only has 1 nom, and her album wasn't a big commercial success. It would be cool to give her the exposure, but I see where she isn't an automatic performer. The Grammys need Ed more than he needs them let’s face it. Their compilation left him off and isn’t selling well (another topic). Regardless of how he fares on the 28th he’ll be fine. He’s a HUGE success in Europe! Lorde already sold more than Sturgill and he was invited almost immediately. Her album might not have been a commercial success but it was a critical success. The Grammys have been around since before Ed was born, and they will be around when his popularity fades. Ed appearing or not appearing this year will not make or break the Grammys, as I said, "in a general sense." And you can say their ratings may be slightly affected, but Ed will miss out on a big sales boost if he doesn't perform so, for this specific year, it works both ways. It also makes him look bad; he released a quote that he isn't upset by the lack of major nominations, but if he were to skip the Grammys in protest, that means he is upset. And again, it's sour grapes. The Grammys don't owe him anything. I'm so tired of these entitled white artists griping when you consider how much hip-hop and other genres have been slighted by the Grammys over the years. Taylor Swift of all people is being ridiculous considering she has won AOTY twice! Ed won SOTY for a song on his second album. Mariah Carey, meanwhile, is 0-for-8 in Album, Record, and Song despite a stellar 27 year career. :ETA: Let's also keep in mind Ed performed last year, so he's already performed for this album.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jan 17, 2018 14:29:07 GMT -5
More than just being a critical success, it was nominated for Album of the Year. I can't figure out why she wouldn't be invited.
Don't a lot of the biggest Grammy moments/sales upticks come from new discoveries (relatively speaking)? Adele in 2009, Mumford & Sons in 2011, etc. It wouldn't kill them to divide up the performances a little bit, as long as they have a good core of 5-6-7-etc. strong names. Carrie Underwood and John Legend are popular artists and clearly recognizable but they aren't the biggest superstars in the world, forcing everyone to run to their TVs. Grammy producers are out of touch and/or working on personal bias. My 2 cents.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 17, 2018 14:36:04 GMT -5
Wait, why are acting like Ed is some superstar personality that people just HAVE to see at the Grammys or viewership will be down? Lmao
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 17, 2018 15:14:45 GMT -5
The Grammys have been around since before Ed was born, and they will be around when his popularity fades. Ed appearing or not appearing this year will not make or break the Grammys, as I said, "in a general sense." And you can say their ratings may be slightly affected, but Ed will miss out on a big sales boost if he doesn't perform so, for this specific year, it works both ways. It also makes him look bad; he released a quote that he isn't upset by the lack of major nominations, but if he were to skip the Grammys in protest, that means he is upset. And again, it's sour grapes. The Grammys don't owe him anything. I'm so tired of these entitled white artists griping when you consider how much hip-hop and other genres have been slighted by the Grammys over the years. Taylor Swift of all people is being ridiculous considering she has won AOTY twice! Ed won SOTY for a song on his second album. Mariah Carey, meanwhile, is 0-for-8 in Album, Record, and Song despite a stellar 27 year career. :ETA: Let's also keep in mind Ed performed last year, so he's already performed for this album. I don't see anything in your reply.
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Post by tinawina on Jan 17, 2018 15:21:58 GMT -5
Kendrick Lamar opening, Bruno & Cardi B, Sam Smith, Pink, SZA... I think they’ll be fine without Ed.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jan 17, 2018 15:34:40 GMT -5
I don't see anything in your reply. That was a mistake. What I meant to say was that the reason Paul Grein gave wasn’t good enough. People‘s music shouldn’t be judged or appreciated based on their skin color or origin, it should be based on content and reception.
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Post by DJ General on Jan 17, 2018 15:47:24 GMT -5
This would be my lineup of an all around balanced line up
Excluding tributes and memorials and what not.
1. Kelly clarkson and Ed Sheeran mash up 2. Kesha 3. Luis Latin extravaganza 4. Lorde / SZA / Khalid DYNAMITE remix 5. Uzi vert and Julia mash up 6. 1-800 suicide awareness performance 7. Foo fighters 8. Bruno mars and cardi b 9. Childish 10. Kendrick 11. Jay 12. Little big town with Taylor swift 13. Sam hunt and marren Morris mash up 14. Thomas Rhett 15. Jason Isbell
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Post by Queen of Insomnia. on Jan 17, 2018 15:51:01 GMT -5
Lack of invitation for Lorde doesnt surprise me, in fact it only confirms the suspision Ive had since I saw those noms.... Her AOTY now was hardly because of her album. Shes a white woman who lucky for them is critically acclaimed so they went with it, but simentanously they made Bruno a no-brainer for pop voters. The funniest minconception I see is that some people act like Bruno is some obscure rnb who made it big and not a pop juggernaut who just happened to release an album crafted for Urban+ UAC. Huuuuge difference. As for Ed... Well, Im not gonna miss him, his performances are non-factors. Im only here for Bruno, Cardi, Kendrick and SZA anyway...
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