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Post by theflying on Feb 19, 2018 7:46:34 GMT -5
Ready for it is most certainly an artistic step forward for Taylor Swift. Sorry you can’t see how this is gonna go.
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Post by tinawina on Feb 19, 2018 8:36:55 GMT -5
The thing about pushing yourself forward artisticly is that you still have to understand and respect who you are as an artist for it to work.
Bruno changed sounds like 3 times but he never lost sight of his musicianship, his voice or his performance skills. If he tried to make trap music while rapping and singing in baritone, walking across the stages scowling, he’d fail because that’s not who he is.
Beyoncé was a pop/r&b powerhouse known for making empowering female anthems, iconic videos and performance skills. She pushed herself forward by dropping the pop, going deeper into r&b sounds, getting more political and complex with the empowerment and really pushing the videos to the next level. If she had decided she was a country artist or thrash metal that would not have been a thing.
Taylor writes great catchy melodies and usually thoughtful introspective lyrics about her life and relationships that everyone could see themselves in. She had a goofy, “i can laugh at myself but at the same time be serious about my work” persona. This record does not push any of that to the next level. It played down the melody and went full rhythmic, lost the fun part of her personality, starting being all about rich people problems and even her performances were built around things she can’t do, like dance.
This is not an artistic jump forward. This was a miscalculation IMO.
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Post by nightshade on Feb 19, 2018 12:26:04 GMT -5
This record does not push any of that to the next level. It played down the melody and went full rhythmic, lost the fun part of her personality, starting being all about rich people problems and even her performances were built around things she can’t do, like dance. This is not an artistic jump forward. This was a miscalculation IMO. I just don't agree with your observation AT ALL. She's devoted to making this album authentically her from the lyrics, melodies, and production. That much is evident just look at the Making Of videos she released for the album. Interesting take tho.
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Post by gbaby on Feb 20, 2018 14:49:10 GMT -5
I wish she'd release "Don't Blame Me" and "Dress". Mostly, I want to see their videos come out. I don't really care about their radio performance.
Or, she could just release videos for all of the songs on the album, at which point idgaf about anything getting released.
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Post by deepston on Feb 20, 2018 18:10:09 GMT -5
Overall the album is pretty high quality but the singles she and her team chose killed the momentum she had. I'd do a complete 180º to this era when it comes to the singles' rollout: 1. I Did Something Bad 2. Delicate 3. Gorgeous 4. Getaway Car 5. Don't Blame Me
Just the fact none of these songs are singles just highlights how terrible the choices were.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Feb 20, 2018 19:12:58 GMT -5
Overall the album is pretty high quality but the singles she and her team chose killed the momentum she had. I'd do a complete 180º to this era when it comes to the singles' rollout: 1. I Did Something Bad 2. Delicate 3. Gorgeous 4. Getaway Car 5. Don't Blame Me Just the fact none of these songs are singles just highlights how terrible the choices were. Gorgeous is not ok, but the logic here is sound. I like... 1. I Did Something Bad 2. This Is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things (or Getaway Car) 3. Don’t Blame Me 4. Delicate 5. Getaway Car (or TIWWCHNT)
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Post by deepston on Feb 20, 2018 19:32:52 GMT -5
While Gorgeous is not a good song imo, it is a very fun one and I'm sure it would do better than RFI and End Game.
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Post by irice22 on Feb 20, 2018 19:43:28 GMT -5
I really do think if "Don't Blame Me" was the first single it would be close to a ten week #1.
"I Did Something Bad" doesn't scream single #1 to me. I think in the context of the first single people would be underwhelmed. And something like "Look What You Made Me Do" has no business even being on the album if it's not single #1. It's really hard era to flesh out.
I'd say this makes sense to me:
01. Don't Blame Me 02. ...Ready for It? 03. Delicate 04. I Did Something Bad 05. End Game 06. Getaway Car
This only works if "... Ready for It?" is released at a proper time
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Post by nickd on Feb 21, 2018 0:19:38 GMT -5
Just went through a bunch of reviews, professional and amateur, mostly by neutral people but also a few haters. Even the haters can't deny that Delicate is actually pretty good. The more impartial reviewers all think it's great. You can't ask for anything better than that to reboot an era. Getaway Car is pretty universally well received too, and it might make for a better music video since it has more of a plot, so it would be a good choice as well.
If those revive the era, Don't Blame Me could work as a 6th single, it seems generally well received but people aren't universally all over it like Delicate/Getaway Car. Call It What You Want seems to be better liked, but it has many similar elements to Delicate and Getaway Car and I feel like if she does a 6th single she should change it up a bit.
IMO Delicate = Style, good vibes and chill song with great repeat value, pretty mature take on relationship trying to balance your desires with imperfect circumstances Getaway Car = Blank Space, interesting lyrics, entertaining music video, although the narrative is different Don't Blame Me = Wildest Dreams, sexy song, does have similarities to another artist (LDR vs Hosier) and not a universally agreed standout with a bit of cliche aspects to it, but still good enough to succeed
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 21, 2018 5:50:59 GMT -5
There is no reviving this era.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Feb 21, 2018 7:46:17 GMT -5
Bless Taylor for giving us one of the best albums of her career thus far but I think this one is a wrap. I will always cherish it, though.
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Post by gbaby on Feb 21, 2018 10:25:46 GMT -5
I feel like with her sales alone, she can do what she wants for the rest of the era. I hope she'll put out at least another video.
(Slash, seriously, "Dress" needs a video ASAP.)
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Post by Exclusive on Feb 21, 2018 10:37:09 GMT -5
There is no reviving this era. "Delicate" & "Don't Blame Me" are waiting...
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Post by greentoo on Feb 21, 2018 14:40:17 GMT -5
Just went through a bunch of reviews, professional and amateur, mostly by neutral people but also a few haters. Even the haters can't deny that Delicate is actually pretty good. The more impartial reviewers all think it's great. You can't ask for anything better than that to reboot an era. Getaway Car is pretty universally well received too, and it might make for a better music video since it has more of a plot, so it would be a good choice as well. If those revive the era, Don't Blame Me could work as a 6th single, it seems generally well received but people aren't universally all over it like Delicate/Getaway Car. Call It What You Want seems to be better liked, but it has many similar elements to Delicate and Getaway Car and I feel like if she does a 6th single she should change it up a bit. IMO Delicate = Style, good vibes and chill song with great repeat value, pretty mature take on relationship trying to balance your desires with imperfect circumstances Getaway Car = Blank Space, interesting lyrics, entertaining music video, although the narrative is different Don't Blame Me = Wildest Dreams, sexy song, does have similarities to another artist (LDR vs Hosier) and not a universally agreed standout with a bit of cliche aspects to it, but still good enough to succeed This would be the perfect end to the era.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 21, 2018 19:06:19 GMT -5
There is no reviving this era. "Delicate" & "Don't Blame Me" are waiting... Waiting for what exactly? To flop?
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Post by Exclusive on Feb 21, 2018 19:44:13 GMT -5
"Delicate" & "Don't Blame Me" are waiting... Waiting for what exactly? To flop?
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Post by wjr15 on Feb 21, 2018 19:46:54 GMT -5
I gave another listen to reputation and I like the production but the lyrical content is what turns me off. I realized the reason I like the songs Ready For It, Don’t Blame Me, and Getaway Car is because they don’t directly talk about her reputation. Songs like End Game, I Did Something Bad, Delicate, and LWYMMD all talk about her reputation which is kind of off-putting for me. I roll my eyes every time she mentions her reputation or enemies in a song; and with the album being called reputation, it turns me off from the whole era.
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Post by deepston on Feb 21, 2018 19:47:27 GMT -5
"Delicate" & "Don't Blame Me" are waiting... Waiting for what exactly? To flop? Even if 2 of her singles (3 to a lesser extent) underperformed there is no telling that the 4th will be an underperformance or a flop. There are several examples of pop stars that managed to reboot entire eras and they weren't as big as Taylor is. Please take your negativity elsewhere.
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Post by thewp on Feb 21, 2018 22:13:58 GMT -5
Are her stan fans ( I don’t know where they live- twitter, tumblr, her app?) freaking out about her not doing anything promo wise? I follow another singer and the angst about the team/ lack of promo can be extreme at times.
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Post by alestevens on Feb 22, 2018 0:35:35 GMT -5
Waiting for what exactly? To flop? Even if 2 of her singles (3 to a lesser extent) underperformed there is no telling that the 4th will be an underperformance or a flop. There are several examples of pop stars that managed to reboot entire eras and they weren't as big as Taylor is. Please take your negativity elsewhere. Yeah but all those people you mention actually made an effort to go out and promote their songs on TV so they could pick up after the previous underperformances. Taylor is doing nothing besides releasing videos and letting radio play her songs. The latter may as well not be happening after 3 songs with bad callouts. But either way, i want her to keep releasing singles. Whatever they achieve will help the album so it works either way!
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Post by nightshade on Feb 22, 2018 1:42:36 GMT -5
Are her stan fans ( I don’t know where they live- twitter, tumblr, her app?) freaking out about her not doing anything promo wise? I follow another singer and the angst about the team/ lack of promo can be extreme at times. I think most of us got over it and just want the tour to happen.
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Post by ampersand on Feb 22, 2018 2:14:59 GMT -5
The lack of traditional promo this era (award show performances, interviews, etc.) was a complete misstep. I understand the logic behind that with the album being very anti-media and her ostensibly wanting the music to speak for itself, but complete radio silence was the first and final nail in the coffin of this era. It just doesn’t make sense to drop the most polarizing album in your career and not at least promote to properly explain the project’s goal. The album is just not strong enough to stand on its own.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 22, 2018 5:55:50 GMT -5
I mean, I get that stans dont want to accept that this era has been a mess and that the singles have only done what they have because pop radio is on Taylor like white on rice.
But that doesnt change the fact that the singles have had no staying power
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Post by deepston on Feb 22, 2018 7:00:18 GMT -5
I mean, I get that stans dont want to accept that this era has been a mess and that the singles have only done what they have because pop radio is on Taylor like white on rice. But that doesnt change the fact that the singles have had no staying power Nobody here is denying this.
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 23, 2018 10:34:42 GMT -5
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Post by deepston on Feb 26, 2018 21:18:53 GMT -5
So as someone that didn't like Love Story that much, I'm completely amazed by this version:
I wonder if her greatest hits album will be something along this line. There is no point in releasing a greatest hits album in the present day so unless she changes her contract, she could change the genre of her songs and add some new tracks to the record and release those as singles.
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Post by Wave. on Feb 27, 2018 0:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by tryexp on Feb 27, 2018 15:46:16 GMT -5
So as someone that didn't like Love Story that much, I'm completely amazed by this version: I wonder if her greatest hits album will be something along this line. There is no point in releasing a greatest hits album in the present day so unless she changes her contract, she could change the genre of her songs and add some new tracks to the record and release those as singles. I always assumed she would come up with something original for a greatest hits, but always thought it would be more like an acoustic album (for example having versions like the grammy museum version of Out Of The Woods). Could a album full of live versions be considered a greatest hits albums?
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Post by Snowbeast on Feb 27, 2018 16:48:29 GMT -5
So as someone that didn't like Love Story that much, I'm completely amazed by this version: I wonder if her greatest hits album will be something along this line. There is no point in releasing a greatest hits album in the present day so unless she changes her contract, she could change the genre of her songs and add some new tracks to the record and release those as singles. I always assumed she would come up with something original for a greatest hits, but always thought it would be more like an acoustic album (for example having versions like the grammy museum version of Out Of The Woods). Could a album full of live versions be considered a greatest hits albums? She is one of the worst live vocalists in the game, so let’s pray that doesn’t happen. Delete your post before she sees it and gets any ideas.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Feb 27, 2018 19:00:25 GMT -5
I always assumed she would come up with something original for a greatest hits, but always thought it would be more like an acoustic album (for example having versions like the grammy museum version of Out Of The Woods). Could a album full of live versions be considered a greatest hits albums? She is one of the worst live vocalists in the game, so let’s pray that doesn’t happen. Delete your post before she sees it and gets any ideas. Actually she usually shines vocally when she strips down songs and does them acoustically. I remember the performances from the Red launch party were awesome and the stripped down performances of "Wildest Dreams" and others at that pre-Grammy thing were great along with other acoustic performances throughout her career. This isn't to say I want an album of live performances, but no, she is capable of sounding good live. Regardless people know what they woild be getting into with Taylor. Her fans know her strengths and are well aware she isn't your average Celine or Whitney.
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