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Post by Wolfy on Nov 15, 2017 3:12:35 GMT -5
I'd guess the whole tour is in jeopardy. She always finds a way to get out of doing things she doesn't want to do. During the Shakira era she used the tour to get out of doing the voice, then she got pregnant to get out of going on tour.
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Nov 15, 2017 3:39:17 GMT -5
Yas bitch! I see we have a graduate of the Janet Jackson School of Cancelling Shows.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 15, 2017 7:16:34 GMT -5
I mean, logistically rescheduling a whole leg of a tour is going to be impossible. There is no way to book arenas on short notice
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Post by Choco on Nov 15, 2017 11:31:56 GMT -5
How many albums left on her deal? I'm sure she'll go for a much smaller deal next time in order to avoid touring.
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Post by Heart Shaped Box on Nov 15, 2017 11:57:28 GMT -5
I'd guess the whole tour is in jeopardy. She always finds a way to get out of doing things she doesn't want to do. During the Shakira era she used the tour to get out of doing the voice, then she got pregnant to get out of going on tour. LOL
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Post by SHOOTER on Nov 15, 2017 13:19:31 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I don't think she'd hemorrhage her vocal cords to get out of touring (unless she's lying).
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 16, 2017 22:14:11 GMT -5
How many albums left on her deal? I'm sure she'll go for a much smaller deal next time in order to avoid touring. I think shes got 1 more. Based on the effort they put into El Dorado and the lackluster return, I wouldnt be surprised if they just push a GH disc and let her go.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Nov 20, 2017 10:59:08 GMT -5
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Post by Wolfy on Nov 25, 2017 2:55:49 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I don't think she'd hemorrhage her vocal cords to get out of touring (unless she's lying). I became skeptical when I noticed a pattern. For Chantaje they had a mini promo tour planned with a couple big performances. She canceled them all because Milan had a medical emergency. Again, for La Bicicleta they had a couple big performances lined up. A little before they were suppose to happen.... everything is canceled because she's sick. This time the cancellation included the Latin Grammy's. The last time Shakira performed with new choreography was in 2012 for Dare. The last time she danced was for the world cup in 2014, and for that she use the Dare choreo she learned in 2012. Since then, everytime Shakira is going to perform she cancels due to a medical emergency. Now the entire European leg of the tour is being postponed because of a medical emergency. At this point I'm skeptical. Knowing Shakira, don't be surprised if soon its announced that the European leg of the tour is canceled. This is all on Shakira though. The entire tour was on average 90% soldout, and this is all before even releasing her dates in Latin America where the demand is high for her. Why does Shakira always find a way to get out of performing? Even when its an important award show she finds a way to get out of it. What is going on? We really don't know. My best guess is that she just want to be with her family now. It's Live Nation trying to get Shakira to tour due to the contract, but they can't force her to do anything. At this point I'll be very surprised if the tour starts again. I expect her to cancel the entire tour and never get to Latin America. As for this specific incident, she said she postponed the European leg of the tour because she hemorrhaged her vocal cords. But, a couple days after she announced that we found out that the costumes were not ready on the day the tour was supposed to start. The person in charge tweeted that they finished her costumes about 4-5 days after opening night. It sounds to me like the tour was mismanaged. :|
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 25, 2017 9:09:40 GMT -5
You keep saying Live Nation cant make her do things she doesn't want to do, but they most certainly can. She is under contract and cant just not work. She may have the right to maintain creative control, but that doesnt mean she just does nothing and live nation just has to suck it up. Live Nation is getting their money one way or another.
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Post by Wolfy on Nov 25, 2017 18:31:13 GMT -5
You keep saying Live Nation cant make her do things she doesn't want to do, but they most certainly can. She is under contract and cant just not work. She may have the right to maintain creative control, but that doesnt mean she just does nothing and live nation just has to suck it up. Live Nation is getting their money one way or another. I wonder where this is going to lead. You are right. She's contractually obligated to tour. She keeps delaying it with her emergencies. The Shakira era tour was canceled due to her becoming pregnant. This tour was delayed due to a vocal hemorrhage (I think she'll end up finding a way to cancel it). How long will Live Nation be ok with delaying the tour? They do try to force her to do things, but she's found that they can't force her if she has a "medical emergency." The only reason they put up with her is because they feel that when she does tour the world, mainly Latin America, that it will be a big payday. In the past, Live Nation made plenty of money off her by selling her perfumes and from streaming companies. She was making millions off Vevo when she was near the top, now she's not though. She also did commercials to make money. She's pretty much willing to do anything Live Nation asks as long as she can do it in Spain (record music, music videos, commercials, photo shoots, etc). She's not doing nothing, she just refuses to do anything where she needs to leave Spain. Just as the tour was postponed, we got yet ANOTHER perfume: She has so many now that I've lost count. LV is definitely finding ways to still make money off her.
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Post by bat1990 on Nov 27, 2017 9:17:13 GMT -5
She needs to pull a Garth Brooks and just take a hiatus until her kids are older.
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Post by Wolfy on Nov 28, 2017 2:17:27 GMT -5
She needs to pull a Garth Brooks and just take a hiatus until her kids are older. That's what she wants to do, but she can't due to her 360 Live Nation deal.
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Post by Oprah on Nov 28, 2017 3:17:18 GMT -5
She needs to pull a Garth Brooks and just take a hiatus until her kids are older. Fuck her kids, I want more pussy popping anthems and I want them every. damn. year.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 28, 2017 7:23:51 GMT -5
She cant pull a Garth Brooks and hope to maintain any level of draw on a global level. Her last truly global hit was in what, 2010? Relaunching a pop career at 45 when you havent had a hit in 10 years seems a bit iffy
Im sure theyve recorded some holiday tracks over the years. They should have dug them out of the vault and thrown out an EP this year, even if the quality wasnt great, just to placate fans over cancelling a whole leg of the tour. Lets be realistic, its not getting rescheduled. There is no logistical way to reschedule all of those dates in the venues they were scheduled for.
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Post by SHOOTER on Nov 28, 2017 12:34:15 GMT -5
El Dorado has been Grammy nominated for Best Latin Pop Album.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Nov 28, 2017 22:14:31 GMT -5
What a joke the grammys have become
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Post by divasummer on Nov 29, 2017 11:43:14 GMT -5
She needs to pull a Garth Brooks and just take a hiatus until her kids are older. That's what she wants to do, but she can't due to her 360 Live Nation deal. Did she sign her 360 Deal before she got engaged and married? Is the 360 Deal she has with Roc Nation for everything she has her name on fragrances, The Voice etc. I always thought it was just music and touring. If yes that may soften the lack of touring some but by how much? She is still a very big touring artist and makes millions off that. I liked a lot of her most recent cd. I was hoping with the interest in Latin music again she could have gotten some love on the radio.
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Post by Wolfy on Nov 29, 2017 20:02:24 GMT -5
That's what she wants to do, but she can't due to her 360 Live Nation deal. Did she sign her 360 Deal before she got engaged and married? Is the 360 Deal she has with Roc Nation for everything she has her name on fragrances, The Voice etc. I always thought it was just music and touring. If yes that may soften the lack of touring some but by how much? She is still a very big touring artist and makes millions off that. I liked a lot of her most recent cd. I was hoping with the interest in Latin music again she could have gotten some love on the radio. The Live Nation 360 deal was for everything. Live Nation owns everything "Shakira." They hired Roc Nation to handle her career and Sony to distribute her CD's. Someone close to her said that LN can even control what she wears. What they can't control is her...
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 1, 2017 20:50:04 GMT -5
That's what she wants to do, but she can't due to her 360 Live Nation deal. Did she sign her 360 Deal before she got engaged and married? Is the 360 Deal she has with Roc Nation for everything she has her name on fragrances, The Voice etc. I always thought it was just music and touring. If yes that may soften the lack of touring some but by how much? She is still a very big touring artist and makes millions off that. I liked a lot of her most recent cd. I was hoping with the interest in Latin music again she could have gotten some love on the radio. You have to tour to make millions from touring. She hasnt toured since 2011, and this tour is in jeopardy.
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Post by Wolfy on Dec 4, 2017 19:01:49 GMT -5
Did she sign her 360 Deal before she got engaged and married? Is the 360 Deal she has with Roc Nation for everything she has her name on fragrances, The Voice etc. I always thought it was just music and touring. If yes that may soften the lack of touring some but by how much? She is still a very big touring artist and makes millions off that. I liked a lot of her most recent cd. I was hoping with the interest in Latin music again she could have gotten some love on the radio. You have to tour to make millions from touring. She hasnt toured since 2011, and this tour is in jeopardy. When her contract is up next year I wonder if her release will be accompanied by a lawsuit for not touring. The 2012 era was canceled due to pregnancy. That was shut down early so most non-fans don't hear too much about it. If you're familiar with Shakira you know how things work for her. She releases an album then she does a long tour. They found out she was pregnant while filming the video for the lead single. They had to cancel the entire era, which included a world tour. Years later, 2014, the SHAKIRA. era, again its time to tour and they had to cancel the tour again due to a pregnancy. And that leads us to today, she again is canceling a world tour, this time due to a vocal hemorrhage. Live Nation has been waiting for that tour since 2012! Can they sue when her contract expires? I'm not sure, she always had medical related excuses to get out of touring. It will be interesting to see what happens because even though LV made money off her by selling Shakira products and streaming, they want the big bucks that come from touring.
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Post by spaceykSVP1999 on Dec 5, 2017 2:10:42 GMT -5
“La Bicleta” was top 5 songs of 2016 and deserved so much more success but personally I am ready for another tantric rump shaker like “La Tortura.”
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Post by Choco on Dec 6, 2017 14:09:22 GMT -5
I'm happy we got La Bicicleta and Chantaje out of this project/her recent releases. Both are great songs.
Is she gonna do another song for the World Cup? Dare hasn't aged well but I liked it at the time, and Waka Waka is still a lot of fun.
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Post by bat1990 on Dec 7, 2017 9:44:26 GMT -5
Don't forget the absolute jam "Me Enamore"
Warsaw and Budapest were spinnin' the fuq out of that song when I was in the taxis there in October.
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Post by mc54 on Dec 7, 2017 14:56:07 GMT -5
"Amarillo" is a bop.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Dec 7, 2017 20:43:45 GMT -5
I'm happy we got La Bicicleta and Chantaje out of this project/her recent releases. Both are great songs. Is she gonna do another song for the World Cup? Dare hasn't aged well but I liked it at the time, and Waka Waka is still a lot of fun. La bicicleta wasnt even hers though. It was already written and recorded for Carlos vives' album, she heard it pre-release and wanted on it. She threw a few weak lines on about pique.
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Post by Wolfy on Dec 10, 2017 22:15:58 GMT -5
As I expected, she's postponing the entire tour:
Fans are angry and frustrated. A lot of them lost a lot of money over having to cancel their travel plans last minute. This tour was already 90% soldout. I have a feeling that if she ever reschedules that the tour will not sell as good.
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Post by Wolfy on Dec 10, 2017 22:27:27 GMT -5
La bicicleta wasnt even hers though. It was already written and recorded for Carlos vives' album, she heard it pre-release and wanted on it. She threw a few weak lines on about pique. You're thinking about the old Shakira. We may never see that Shakira again. Nowadays when I listen to her new music I first assume that her participation, if any, in creating the song was minimal.
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Post by Choco on Dec 12, 2017 15:13:12 GMT -5
She's apparently undergoing surgery on her vocal cords with the same doc who did the procedure for Adele's hemorrage.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jan 1, 2018 1:36:28 GMT -5
All the US dates got rescheduled for the end of 2018. So european dates likely wont be until 2019 if they happen
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