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Post by Gary on Oct 30, 2017 16:07:58 GMT -5
Gotta love 'bundles' - LOL
Hopefully that is one of the adjustments they will making next chart year to address this.
Is the "buy a ticket - get a CD" fad really related to the popularity of the album or a way to promote the concert?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 30, 2017 18:19:39 GMT -5
New album out at Midnight. Will only have 3 days of sales/streaming... hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309121Monday, October 30, 2017 21 SAVAGE, OFFSET & METRO DROP TONIGHTThe stroke of midnight ushering in Halloween is a good time to be (a) stuffing candy in your face and watching Count Yorga, Vampire; (b) desperately shopping online for last-minute costume ideas; or (c) listening to a surprise release from 21 Savage, Migos' Offset and Metro Boomin. Well, now you know you'll be able to do that third thing, as the socials are lighting up about this three-way set.
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Post by ILLUSION on Oct 30, 2017 18:49:42 GMT -5
I was hoping Kelly would pull 100k. Oh well.
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 30, 2017 19:03:40 GMT -5
Hopefully that is one of the adjustments they will making next chart year to address this. This was already addressed over a decade ago. The bundle only counts if the customer makes the choice to redeem. The only real counterargument is that they're priced into the ticket cost anyway, but with the price of tickets usually rising into three figures anyway, creating a two tier price option will just be met with an eyeroll for an item that "only" costs in the $8-$15 range.
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Post by Gary on Oct 30, 2017 19:15:49 GMT -5
Hopefully that is one of the adjustments they will making next chart year to address this. This was already addressed over a decade ago. The bundle only counts if the customer makes the choice to redeem. The only real counterargument is that they're priced into the ticket cost anyway, but with the price of tickets usually rising into three figures anyway, creating a two tier price option will just be met with an eyeroll for an item that "only" costs in the $8-$15 range. I am familiar with the math and the history behind it. I think I read they are looking at addressing this again in 2018. Anyway: My question, as it is used so much now: and these charts we are all so fond of are about popularity of the album as opposed to anything else, since this gimmick is mostly used to promote the concert with the album thrown in as part of the price, what is really the driving factor n popularity here, the album or the concert? If it is the album, then yes, 1 concert ticket = 1 sold CD. But if the CD is used as a promotional tool to entice you into the concert, are you still doing it for the CD? or are you buying into making the concert more profitable? If the latter, this "sale" should not count towards the popularity growth of the album.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 30, 2017 19:50:11 GMT -5
Kelly has some later-in-the-week promo that could push her numbers a little further north. The Voice, Fallon, etc.
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Post by Gary on Oct 30, 2017 21:44:13 GMT -5
Kenny Chesney's New Live Album Heading for No. 1 Debut on Billboard 200 Chart News By Keith Caulfield | October 30, 2017 9:17 PM EDT
'Live in No Shoes Nation' was released on Oct. 27 via Blue Chair/Columbia Nashville. Country king Kenny Chesney is on his way to his eighth No. 1 album on the Billboard 200 chart, according to industry forecasters. Sources suggest his new live effort, Live in No Shoes Nation, could start atop next week’s tally with perhaps 200,000 equivalent album units earned in the week ending Nov. 2. Most of that sum will be driven by traditional album sales, bolstered by a concert ticket/album bundle sale redemption promotion with Chesney’s upcoming stadium tour.
Live in No Shoes Nation was released on Oct. 27 via Blue Chair/Columbia Nashville.
The Billboard 200 chart ranks the most popular albums of the week based on multi-metric consumption, which includes traditional album sales, track equivalent albums (TEA) and streaming equivalent albums (SEA). The top 10 of the new Nov. 18-dated Billboard 200 chart (where Chesney could debut at No. 1) is scheduled to be revealed on Billboard’s websites on Sunday, Nov. 5. Chesney previously led the Billboard 200 with Life on a Rock (in 2013), Hemingway’s Whiskey (2010), Lucky Old Sun (2008), The Road and the Radio (2005), Be as You Are: Songs From an Old Blue Chair (2005), When the Sun Goes Down (2004) and No Shoes, No Shirt, No Problems (2002).
Live in No Shoes Nation is a 29-track album and collects live highlights from Chesney’s various tours, stretching back to 2007’s Flip Flop Summer tour. Among the guests on the album: Taylor Swift, Dave Matthews, Grace Potter and Eric Church. Chesney’s last live album, 2006’s Live: Live Those Songs Again, peaked at No. 4 in its debut frame and sold 146,000 copies in its first week, according to Nielsen Music.
Other albums aiming for high debuts on next week’s Billboard 200 chart include Kelly Clarkson’s Meaning of Life (which could launch with over 65,000 units), Big K.R.I.T.’s 4eva Is a Mighty Long Time (30,000 units), Ty Dolla $ign’s Beach House 3 (25,000 units) and 21 Savage, Offset and Metro Boomin’s surprise collaboration album Without Warning (which is due out at 12 a.m. on Oct. 31). It’s too early to obtain a forecast for the latter title. For comparison’s sake, another surprise hip-hop collaboration album, Future and Young Thug’s Super Slimey, arrived on Oct. 20 and earned 75,000 units in its first week (mostly driven by SEA units). It debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 dated Nov. 11.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Oct 30, 2017 23:29:33 GMT -5
For some reason I read that as "Kelly Clarkson's live album headed for #1 on Billboard 200" and I was like since when did Kelly have a live album that was recently released Speaking of which I still need to listen to Meaning of Life but Summertime Madness and rankdowns are what's occupying my music listening time rn. To think this will be Kenny's best opening week since Just Who I Am: Poets & Pirates is pretty mind-blowing to me even though I know there are ticket bundles involved.
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Post by Glove Slap on Oct 31, 2017 7:23:50 GMT -5
Chris Brown's album dropped last night as well. I'm curious as to how much he can get in three days, especially with how long the album is. He doesn't do well long term, but he does have a strong core base that's been there for all of his past first weeks.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 31, 2017 10:02:22 GMT -5
Chris Brown's album dropped last night as well. I'm curious as to how much he can get in three days, especially with how long the album is. He doesn't do well long term, but he does have a strong core base that's been there for all of his past first weeks. Entirely unfortunate, including the part about him having fans.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 31, 2017 12:07:00 GMT -5
I expected at least 100k for Kelly. She's been pretty visible.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 31, 2017 12:25:09 GMT -5
Kelly has some later-in-the-week promo that could push her numbers a little further north. The Voice, Fallon, etc. Doesn't HITS factor that stuff into predictions? Of course, it's hard to know how much of a boost something will get.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 31, 2017 13:35:44 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309107Tuesday, October 31, 2017 UNWRAPPING THE TICKET BUNDLEThe ticket bundle has emerged, this year, as a formidable tool for increasing sales and thus spiking chart numbers. By bundling product with a concert ticket, big touring acts can often attain the margin needed for a #1 bow in tight chart battles, thus offsetting the consumption advantage enjoyed by the bigger-streaming acts as sales decline overall. Traditionally, this is a critical strategic move employed by even the biggest arena and stadium acts, part of the art between agent, manager and artist. Labels aren’t usually consulted, but because of the latest trend, they’re getting a seat at the table. Is the risk-reward ratio sufficient for the practice to continue? A primary risk associated with putting tickets on sale to coincide with a release date is that sometimes it’s done before there’s sufficient heat on the artist to move those hundreds of thousands of tickets. Half-sold-out arenas are obviously a bad look—as opposed to instantaneous sellouts proving the act is as commercially vital as ever. This applies more to acts that depend on singles-driven heat than to road warriors for whom a trek is a predicable windfall. Meanwhile, what, if any, fallout could these acts face from retailers, who lose trade and traffic from such arrangements? Will acts that decide to bundle be obliged to mollify digital and physical retailers with deluxe editions and exclusive content? Do retailers still have enough leverage to command such compensatory measures?
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Oct 31, 2017 14:09:33 GMT -5
Chris Brown's album dropped last night as well. I'm curious as to how much he can get in three days, especially with how long the album is. He doesn't do well long term, but he does have a strong core base that's been there for all of his past first weeks. With 45 tracks, he should get quite a bit of streaming action.
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Post by DJ General on Oct 31, 2017 14:10:53 GMT -5
I cannot believe Chris Brown dropped a 45 track album LOL what in the hell
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 31, 2017 17:03:18 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309134Tuesday, October 31, 2017 YOUR TOP 20: NO SHOES, GREAT SERVICEKenny Chesney’s Live In No Shoes Nation (Blue Chair/Columbia Nashville) will become the first live album to hit #1 since Sugarland’s Live On the Inside (Mercury Nashville) in 2009. It accomplishes this fueled by a strong ticket bundle. Kelly Clarkson lands at #2. Two albums released today, Chris Brown’s Heartbreak on a Full Moon (RCA) and Without Warning (Slaughter Gang/Epic) from 21 Savage, Offset and Metro Boomin’, will be added to the midweek tomorrow morning when first day numbers become available. 1. *Kenny Chesney (Blue Chair/Columbia Nashville) 210-220k SPS, 208-218k Sales 2. *Kelly Clarkson (Atlantic) 73-78k, 63-68k 3. Post Malone (Republic) 40-44k, 3-4k 4. *Big K.R.I.T. (BMG) 34-38k, 21-24k 5. Future & Young Thug (Epic/300/Atlantic) 34-38k, 2-3k 6. Ed Sheeran (Atlantic) 31-34k, 8-9k 7. Lil Uzi Vert (Generation Now/Atlantic) 29-32k, <1k 8. Gucci Mane (Atlantic) 27-30k, 2-3k 9. Imagine Dragons (KIDinaCORNER/Interscope) 26-29k, 7-8k 10. Demi Lovato (Island/Safehouse/Hollywood) 26-29k, 6-7k 11. *Ty Dolla $ign (Atlantic) 26-29k, 5-6k 12. Khalid (Right Hand Music/RCA) 26-29k, 2-3k 13. *Yo Gotti (Epic/CMG) 24-27k, 10-12k 14. Kendrick Lamar (TDE/Interscope) 24-27k, 2-3k 15. P!NK (RCA) 23-26k, 15-17k 16. Lil Pump (Tha Lights Global/Warner Bros.) 23-26k, 1-2k 17. Theory of a Deadman (Atlantic) 22-25k, 20-23k 18. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie (Highbridge/Atlantic) 22-25k, <1k 19. *Weezer (Crush/Atlantic) 20-22k, 19-22k 20. Niall Horan (Capitol) 19-21k, 10-12k *DEBUTS
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 31, 2017 17:34:48 GMT -5
A plummet for Niall.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Oct 31, 2017 17:42:35 GMT -5
And Kenny's will be MUCH bigger too. Probably only around 10K or less next week.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 31, 2017 19:57:06 GMT -5
^In Chesney's case, it's only predicted to have 2k SEAs + TEAs this week, which should shrink to under 1k next week, so pure album sales is pretty much it would have then.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 31, 2017 20:14:02 GMT -5
Expected for Niall. He had an album bundle.
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 31, 2017 20:35:04 GMT -5
Demi is holding remarkably well! P!nk's third week is a bit more steep of a fall than I would hope for, but it's still relatively decent. I expected at least 100k for Kelly. She's been pretty visible. IIRC, the label was predicting like 50-60k a week or so ago, so I'm actually ecstatic to see it doing 75k with the potential to increase with promo!
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Post by forg on Oct 31, 2017 21:11:18 GMT -5
Having a hit helps Demi's SPS.
Decent for Kelly Clarkson as she has no hit this time and her streaming is so weak. Too bad she does not have an upcoming tour yet, i bet she would also benefit greatly with a tour bundle
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Post by shayonce on Nov 1, 2017 4:45:52 GMT -5
This was already addressed over a decade ago. The bundle only counts if the customer makes the choice to redeem. The only real counterargument is that they're priced into the ticket cost anyway, but with the price of tickets usually rising into three figures anyway, creating a two tier price option will just be met with an eyeroll for an item that "only" costs in the $8-$15 range. I am familiar with the math and the history behind it. I think I read they are looking at addressing this again in 2018. Anyway: My question, as it is used so much now: and these charts we are all so fond of are about popularity of the album as opposed to anything else, since this gimmick is mostly used to promote the concert with the album thrown in as part of the price, what is really the driving factor n popularity here, the album or the concert? If it is the album, then yes, 1 concert ticket = 1 sold CD. But if the CD is used as a promotional tool to entice you into the concert, are you still doing it for the CD? or are you buying into making the concert more profitable? If the latter, this "sale" should not count towards the popularity growth of the album. and people will buy "ticket only" without albums. just like the "option" didn't really worked in 2000's mid.(before current redeem happened.) GP are already complaining $10 album for expensive. what makes you think they will welcome to pay $10 more for album that they're not into it..? the fact the redeem ratio is small. said it all.. there will be some discussion from now to 2018. billboard already said it's one of topic for their future chart change. HDD is against it, we will see shady post from them.
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Post by Duca on Nov 1, 2017 14:41:03 GMT -5
YOUR TOP 20: NO SHOES, GREAT SERVICE (UPDATE)Kenny Chesney’s Live In No Shoes Nation (Blue Chair/Columbia Nashville) will become the first live album to hit #1 since Sugarland’s Live On the Inside (Mercury Nashville) in 2009. It accomplishes this fueled by a strong ticket bundle. Kelly Clarkson lands at #2. Two mid-week releases, Chris Brown’s Heartbreak on a Full Moon (RCA) and Without Warning (Slaughter Gang/Epic) from 21 Savage, Offset and Metro Boomin’, are now in the Top 5. 1. *Kenny Chesney (Blue Chair/Columbia Nashville) 210-220k SPS, 208-218k Sales2. *Kelly Clarkson (Atlantic) 73-78k, 63-68k3. *21 Savage, Offset & Metro Boomin’ (Slaughter Gang/Epic) 45-50k, 8-10k4. *Chris Brown (RCA) 40-45k, 21-24k5. Post Malone (Republic) 40-44k, 3-4k6. *Big K.R.I.T. (BMG) 34-38k, 21-24k7. Future & Young Thug (Epic/Atlantic) 34-38k, 2-3k8. Ed Sheeran (Atlantic) 31-34k, 8-9k9. Lil Uzi Vert (Generation Now/Atlantic) 29-32k, <1k10. Gucci Mane (Atlantic) 27-30k, 2-3k11. Imagine Dragons (KIDinaKORNER/Interscope) 26-29k, 7-8k12. Demi Lovato (Island/Safehouse/Hollywood) 26-29k, 6-7k13. *Ty Dolla $ign (Atlantic) 26-29k, 5-6k14. Khalid (Right Hand Music/RCA) 26-29k, 2-3k15. *Yo Gotti (Epic/CMG) 24-27k, 10-12k16. Kendrick Lamar (TDE/Interscope) 24-27k, 2-3k17. P!nk (RCA) 23-26k, 15-17k18. Lil Pump (Tha Lights Global/Warner Bros.) 23-26k, 1-2k19. Theory of a Deadman (Atlantic) 22-25k, 20-23k20. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie (Highbridge/Atlantic) 22-25k, <1k*DEBUTS
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Post by bigbertha on Nov 1, 2017 14:55:12 GMT -5
Lol at Chris Brown.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 15:24:49 GMT -5
Was Chris' album a midweek release? If so I guess his label tried everything to offset numbers- the 45 track strategy (streaming boost) and intentionally releasing it weird so there could be some sort of explanation or asterisk next to the numbers.
I'm not sure how his last few albums have fared on the charts (anything after FAME really) but I just assumed he entered Derulo territory of being a singles artist so I guess those numbers are expected?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 1, 2017 15:39:45 GMT -5
^Chris Brown's album came out Monday night. Only 3 days of sales...
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Post by fearlessarrow on Nov 1, 2017 15:52:12 GMT -5
Was Chris' album a midweek release? If so I guess his label tried everything to offset numbers- the 45 track strategy (streaming boost) and intentionally releasing it weird so there could be some sort of explanation or asterisk next to the numbers. I'm not sure how his last few albums have fared on the charts (anything after FAME really) but I just assumed he entered Derulo territory of being a singles artist so I guess those numbers are expected? After F.A.M.E. which opened with 270k, his sales never recovered to that level, but he can still move albums for sure. Opening weeks for Chris Brown albums after F.A.M.E.Fortune [2012] - 135k X [2014] - 145k Fan of a Fan: The Album (with Tyga) [2015] - 66k units, 51k pure album sales Royalty* [2015] - 184k units, 162k pure album sales *This was released in December, which may have inflated the opening week sales compared to the other albums which were not released at that time of the year.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 1, 2017 15:54:54 GMT -5
^Chris Brown's album came out Monday night. Only 3 days of sales... The 21 Savage x Offset x Metro Boomin' album came out the same day and their streams are topping Chris Brown's which is kinda crazy considering it's 45 tracks vs 10 tracks. You would think Chris would lead in SPS, but the album as a whole is a chore to get through, so maybe, I'm not that surprised 12. Demi Lovato (Island/Safehouse/Hollywood) 26-29k, 6-7kGO DEMI!
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 1, 2017 18:22:01 GMT -5
^Chris Brown's strategy won't work as well given that his fans (whatever remains of them) are not as likely to stream his songs regardless of how many songs are included in the album. The other album wins in that sense, since fans of those artists involved mostly stream their music and more likely to stream songs from it, just out of curiosity, for starters.
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