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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 0:14:48 GMT -5
This grew on me enough to become my favourite song from them since "Animals"
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Post by Leo ✔ on Apr 28, 2018 12:16:41 GMT -5
POP 10 7 MAROON 5 Wait 9644 9160 484 47.815 + 138 spins + 139 bullet + 1.123 audience
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 12:17:48 GMT -5
Something about this feels like a non-event tbh I forgot it existed for a good month
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Post by Au$tin on Apr 28, 2018 14:08:16 GMT -5
Glad this got a second wind in airplay and sales, but streams aren't improving.
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Post by ilikemusic on Apr 28, 2018 19:47:14 GMT -5
Something about this feels like a non-event tbh I forgot it existed for a good month The radio performance of all of their songs is astounding. Considering soccer moms and adults typically listen to radio more than kids are nowadays, it seems like Adam Levine has perfected the skill of making catchy disposable little diddies geared towards your average 30 year old American. Regardless of how well the songs are streaming/selling, radio will shove everything Maroon 5 does down our throats anyway. Their 2012-onwards music is the perfect definition of generic and accessible to the radio demographic
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Post by Leo ✔ on Apr 29, 2018 12:15:04 GMT -5
POP 10 7 MAROON 5 Wait 9712 9129 583 48.285 + 68 spins + 99 bullet + 0.470 audience
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AC 31 30 MAROON 5 Wait 45 35 10 0.083 - 1 spin - 4 bullet - 0.003 audience
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Apr 29, 2018 16:26:30 GMT -5
Something about this feels like a non-event tbh I forgot it existed for a good month The radio performance of all of their songs is astounding. Considering soccer moms and adults typically listen to radio more than kids are nowadays, it seems like Adam Levine has perfected the skill of making catchy disposable little diddies geared towards your average 30 year old American. Regardless of how well the songs are streaming/selling, radio will shove everything Maroon 5 does down our throats anyway. Their 2012-onwards music is the perfect definition of generic and accessible to the radio demographic I wonder if they will ever stop getting hits and have a dry spell?
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Post by ilikemusic on Apr 29, 2018 16:48:43 GMT -5
The radio performance of all of their songs is astounding. Considering soccer moms and adults typically listen to radio more than kids are nowadays, it seems like Adam Levine has perfected the skill of making catchy disposable little diddies geared towards your average 30 year old American. Regardless of how well the songs are streaming/selling, radio will shove everything Maroon 5 does down our throats anyway. Their 2012-onwards music is the perfect definition of generic and accessible to the radio demographic I wonder if they will ever stop getting hits and have a dry spell? As long as they continue to work with the crop of pop producers that the industry forces their biggest artists to work with, I don’t see them really ever slowing down. Sure, they’re way past their commercial peak, but 40 year old soccer moms need someone to fantasize over too!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 18:51:23 GMT -5
This song has pretty middle of the road callout on top 40 though. Its HAC callout is, objectively, outright bad, which I found very surprising because I would think that audience would really like this. The top 40 and HAC callout for What Lovers Do was also firmly midpack among currents during its run.
That's honestly what makes their continued radio success this era so confusing to me and I'm sure to others. They are certainly old enough at this point that ageism could/should have kicked in regardless of gender; streaming and to a lesser degree album sales point to them being more or less in P!nk/Kelly Clarkson territory (which makes sense, those are their actual music peers in terms of career length). Yet both formats continue to hand them top 10s. I can't even say 'they can't get away with resting on their laurels like this much longer' b/c well...they've been resting on their laurels like this longer than anyone would have reasonably expected or predicted. They might very well continue to coast like this for years.
Not hating (I already see an overzealous rebuttal to this coming), just saying, their extended stay in CHR's top ranks is at least moderately unusual given the circumstances, and it is not nearly as easily rationalized by the overall perceived quality of or reception to their music as some may like it to be. The HAC love makes more sense in general, but Wait probably should have gone the way of LSS there (barely grabbing a top 10 peak b/c of shitty callout), rather than top 6 with a bullet still.
Maybe they're this generation's Dave Matthews band. That's the most sense I can make of it.
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Post by Ty on Apr 29, 2018 20:21:13 GMT -5
Their music are actually purposed to be "catchier" than their peers such as P!nk and Kelly. It has nothing to do with actual quality. But the fact that they've got features from Kendrick/Future/SZA/A Boogie/Julia Michaels shows that their label still market them as a pop act for younger audience, despite their actual supporters are probably older generations.
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Post by xykes on Apr 30, 2018 1:06:27 GMT -5
The simple answer: "because they're very popular and people like listening to their music."
That's always been the answer.
They have 15 million followers on twitter. How many other bands from the pre-twitter era have 15 million followers? More than U2 and Metallica combined. More than Fall Out Boy, All American Rejects, Usher, Kendrick Lamar, John Legend, Rolling Stones (the band and the magazine), Linkin Park, Green Day, Mumford & Sons, 21 Pilots, Sam Smith...
Obviously, twitter follower count doesn't mean much, but it proves that they've kept up with the times and maintained a STRONG audience long beyond 2002.
This isn't a case of radio stanning for an act that really isn't that popular. No, they're actually quite popular. Call out scores, be damned.
They aren't playing bingo halls, backyard barbecues, and high schools when they go on tour. They play in big arenas, and people still come to see them.
"Because they're very popular and people like listening to their music." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Leo ✔ on Apr 30, 2018 10:01:31 GMT -5
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 1, 2018 10:53:19 GMT -5
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 2, 2018 10:14:46 GMT -5
POP 9 7 MAROON 5 Wait 9957 9257 700 50.633 + 94 spins + 98 bullet + 0.865 audience
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 3, 2018 10:07:16 GMT -5
POP 9 7 MAROON 5 Wait 10039 9405 634 51.078 + 82 spins - 66 bullet + 0.445 audience
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Post by leonagwen on May 3, 2018 12:12:40 GMT -5
Why does radio love Maroon 5?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 21:38:20 GMT -5
That post doesn't answer the question though, although I know you will not believe me even after I present receipts. Radio dumped Taylor like a bad habit when LWYMMD and RFI came in with bad scores, and Taylor is way more popular than M5 if we're basing this on social media followers and tour receipts. End Game missed the top 10 on both CHR and HAC, and Delicate is now having to slowly grind its way to whatever peak it reaches b/c of the three singles before it burning up her momentum. Kelly isn't on that level of massive following, but she's still a well-respected, highly visible artist and normally a HAC staple. She currently has the second most HAC top 10s among women (she, Taylor, and P!nk basically rotate in and out of the top spot depending on who has the most recent/active album cycle at the moment). But when LSS came in with crap scores the song hit a brick wall in the 11-15 range and just barely managed to eke out its top 10 peak; it was dropped shortly thereafter. Like Taylor and Delicate, her current HAC single is now growing more slowly, probably due to hesitation caused by the chilly reception to LSS. Speaking of P!nk, I think a partly similar thing might have happened with Beautiful Trauma. HAC spun it up so quickly that it was top 10 before the callout had even come in...but then the scores were terrible and I believe it only lasted about a month after that. No longevity. Meanwhile pop wouldn't even take it to the top 20, and it's probably b/c what little feedback they were getting or could see indicated that the song would not fare well among their listeners. Then you have CHR currently hesitating with Meghan Trainor's No Excuses even though HAC callout and sales are on her side, b/c her streaming is nonexistent. These are just the very recent examples I can think of off the top of my head. Radio isn't at all a stranger to dropping songs that aren't testing well, or holding off on acts that they know or suspect aren't very popular with their listening audience, popularity elsewhere be damned. What makes Maroon 5 so special? Just so we're clear, M5 is not the first act I've wondered this about. Demi used to pull that off, too. It's not a common occurrence though so it always makes me wonder (pun not intended).
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 4, 2018 10:03:42 GMT -5
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 5, 2018 11:05:35 GMT -5
POP 7 7 MAROON 5 Wait 10236 9644 592 52.397 + 123 spins - 14 bullet + 0.632 audience
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 6, 2018 12:18:32 GMT -5
POP 7 7 MAROON 5 Wait 10361 9706 655 53.418 + 125 spins + 63 bullet + 1.021 audience
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 7, 2018 9:08:03 GMT -5
POP 7 7 MAROON 5 Wait 10457 9782 675 53.889 + 96 spins + 20 bullet + 0.471 audience
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Post by xykes on May 7, 2018 19:54:13 GMT -5
Back up to #17 on iTunes, half a year after the album's release.
Ellen performance *might* be the cause...
But, the most likely reason...radio must have created multiple iTunes accounts and bought "Wait" a bunch of times.
Only explanation I can think of.
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Post by Leo ✔ on May 8, 2018 8:44:31 GMT -5
POP 7 7 MAROON 5 Wait 10598 9868 730 54.479 + 141 spins + 55 bullet + 0.590 audience
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AC 29 21 MAROON 5 Wait 88 46 42 0.405 + 5 spins + 4 bullet + 0.047 audience
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Post by leonagwen on May 8, 2018 11:19:31 GMT -5
Back up to #17 on iTunes, half a year after the album's release. Ellen performance *might* be the cause... But, the most likely reason...radio must have created multiple iTunes accounts and bought "Wait" a bunch of times. Only explanation I can think of. The problem is that there's not that many good songs in the top 50 songs are lasting longer than they should.
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Post by Suono on May 8, 2018 11:42:25 GMT -5
Wow, is this better than the past three singles?
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Post by djea92 on May 8, 2018 11:43:50 GMT -5
Wow, is this better than the past three singles? Yes.
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Post by tinawina on May 8, 2018 19:32:25 GMT -5
That post doesn't answer the question though, although I know you will not believe me even after I present receipts. Radio dumped Taylor like a bad habit when LWYMMD and RFI came in with bad scores, and Taylor is way more popular than M5 if we're basing this on social media followers and tour receipts. End Game missed the top 10 on both CHR and HAC, and Delicate is now having to slowly grind its way to whatever peak it reaches b/c of the three singles before it burning up her momentum. Kelly isn't on that level of massive following, but she's still a well-respected, highly visible artist and normally a HAC staple. She currently has the second most HAC top 10s among women (she, Taylor, and P!nk basically rotate in and out of the top spot depending on who has the most recent/active album cycle at the moment). But when LSS came in with crap scores the song hit a brick wall in the 11-15 range and just barely managed to eke out its top 10 peak; it was dropped shortly thereafter. Like Taylor and Delicate, her current HAC single is now growing more slowly, probably due to hesitation caused by the chilly reception to LSS. Speaking of P!nk, I think a partly similar thing might have happened with Beautiful Trauma. HAC spun it up so quickly that it was top 10 before the callout had even come in...but then the scores were terrible and I believe it only lasted about a month after that. No longevity. Meanwhile pop wouldn't even take it to the top 20, and it's probably b/c what little feedback they were getting or could see indicated that the song would not fare well among their listeners. Then you have CHR currently hesitating with Meghan Trainor's No Excuses even though HAC callout and sales are on her side, b/c her streaming is nonexistent. These are just the very recent examples I can think of off the top of my head. Radio isn't at all a stranger to dropping songs that aren't testing well, or holding off on acts that they know or suspect aren't very popular with their listening audience, popularity elsewhere be damned. What makes Maroon 5 so special? Just so we're clear, M5 is not the first act I've wondered this about. Demi used to pull that off, too. It's not a common occurrence though so it always makes me wonder (pun not intended). Male pop acts have historically been able to push it longer than female acts. For successful women it peaks around 10 years at pop, 15 if they’re lucky. For top pop star men it’s more like 15 years, 20 if they’re lucky. IMO it’s as simple as that. Adam is still a sex symbol and he’s on a top rated TV show every week. They work with the hottest pop producers. They can run this for a few more years before the kids are too grossed out by dad singing sexy songs at them. LOL ETA: I forgot to add that while their callout scores tend not to be stellar, they’re also not especially negative. Bland works on radio. Few are changing the station when their songs come on.
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Post by graham on May 8, 2018 19:37:13 GMT -5
Not sure why this has really grown on me it’s their best song in a while.
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