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Post by The Visionary Vantage™ on Nov 8, 2017 18:12:42 GMT -5
In no circumstance would Taylor ever snatch Adele's monstrous debut.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 8, 2017 18:34:25 GMT -5
Had she had 1 huge hit with another one rapidly climbing the charts right now, made it available for streaming on all services, did insane promo and a ticket bundle, she could have easily snatched Adele. Under the current circumstances though, anything is possible. The hype is at an all-time high but she 'lacks' the hits and promo this time around so it's a shot in the dark at this point. Easily...give me some of what you're hitting right now, please.
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Post by garrettlen on Nov 8, 2017 19:31:30 GMT -5
2 MILLION FOR TAY? THE BIBLE BUMBLES AGAINWednesday, November 8, 2017 Despite the Bible’s nutty formulation for her to reach 2 million first week, analysts are predicting Taylor Swift’s reputation (Big Machine/BMLG) will debut under 1.5m unless she adds a major ticket bundle—or Billboard’s John Amato makes another huge rule change for her in exchange for a meet-and-greet with the staff of a Del Taco in Bensonhurst. That’s entirely plausible, given Amato’s general spinelessness and the Bible’s propensity for changing rules like they’re light bulbs (witness the recent YouTube chart debacle). With album and track sales down 36% since 2014, when 1989 was released, insiders question the assumption that Swift can exceed her previously album’s sales by 700-800k. Of course, anything’s possible with the savvy Swift, and there’s every possibility she’s got something unforeseen in her back pocket to make those numbers. But it’s not happening by the Bible’s lumpy arithmetic. Damn, they really hate Billboard, don't they? lol
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 8, 2017 20:10:41 GMT -5
I don't know, something seems fishy. I have a hunch that Big Machine is gonna do anything for that 2 million, maybe buying a million copies and giving them away like Rihanna did with Anti. We saw what the label did to get LWYMMD to #1 on the radio, I wouldn't doubt anything for a second. Taylor is very business savvy, she's up to something.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 8, 2017 20:26:24 GMT -5
I don't know, something seems fishy. I have a hunch that Big Machine is gonna do anything for that 2 million, maybe buying a million copies and giving them away like Rihanna did with Anti. We saw what the label did to get LWYMMD to #1 on the radio, I wouldn't doubt anything for a second. Taylor is very business savvy, she's up to something. Man, I love that shady bitch. That would just certify them at 2x Platinum but it wouldn't be for sales. Also a second party would have to buy and distribute those. They already have UPS on-board, so every stamp you get a copy of reputation!
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 8, 2017 20:27:28 GMT -5
I don't know, something seems fishy. I have a hunch that Big Machine is gonna do anything for that 2 million, maybe buying a million copies and giving them away like Rihanna did with Anti. That wouldn't count towards the sales numbers, the same way that it didn't for Rihanna and Jay.
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Post by shayonce on Nov 9, 2017 1:11:23 GMT -5
she/her team really know how to sell. it's very japan/korean market ish where physical cd is huge thanks to diehard fans who buys multiple copies to meet their idol, get new versions of cd, or photo card, make their idol #1 on weekly chart. very smart move.
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Post by forg on Nov 9, 2017 8:38:53 GMT -5
Yeah and the Japanese and Korean pop stars make their CDs a true fan merchandise, a collector's item. Taylor is doing that as well. Very savvy indeed
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Post by chartfreak on Nov 9, 2017 9:38:29 GMT -5
Did I read correctly that fans can purchase online, up to 13 copies? I thought multiple copies in one transaction were flagged or something?
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Post by rickroller on Nov 9, 2017 12:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by shayonce on Nov 9, 2017 17:15:29 GMT -5
Did I read correctly that fans can purchase online, up to 13 copies? I thought multiple copies in one transaction were flagged or something? it is. they mean fan can buy up to 13 copies, each from different retailers for additional point to reach higher rank on her presale game. buy 1 from walmart, 1 from target, 1 from amazon. etc...
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 9, 2017 17:26:48 GMT -5
Why Taylor Swift's 'Reputation' Is Still Charging to No. 1, Despite Radio Chart Drop11/9/2017 by Dan Rys On Aug. 18, Taylor Swift went dark, wiping her social media accounts clean and replacing them with a cryptic clip of a snake. By the end of the week, Swift had announced her sixth album, Reputation, and released its moody, electro first single, "Look What You Made Me Do," with its lyric: "The old Taylor can't come to the phone right now ... 'Cause she's dead!" The song, her first solo release in three years, broke 24-hour records for Spotify, Vevo and YouTube streams, and ended the 16-week reign of Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee's "Despacito" atop the Billboard Hot 100 with 2017's highest single-week sales. But the single has since set some less glamorous records as well. A week after reaching No. 1 on the Pop Songs chart, it moved to No. 7 -- the largest fall from the top in the chart's history -- and from No. 5 to No. 20 on the all-format Radio Songs chart, the biggest fall from the top five in that chart's 27-year history. Subsequent releases haven't fared as well, either; after debuting at No. 4 on the Hot 100, second single "...Ready for It?" fell to No. 53 (though it has rebounded since the Oct. 26 release of its video), while "Gorgeous" dropped from a No. 13 debut to No. 69 in its second week. There is little question the album will sell about as well as Swift's previous three, which scanned over 1 million units in their first weeks. But the radio plummet highlights how much her recipe for success has changed over her career. Though FM radio powered much of her previous success as she morphed from a country singer to pop princess -- she is one of just seven artists with at least eight Pop Songs No. 1s -- her team has pulled back on radio promotion. According to two people familiar with the situation, Swift's record label made a push to get "Look" to No. 1, then backed off, which led to the chart drop. (Big Machine Records declined to comment on marketing or promotion.) "Everyone was 'helping the program,' if you will, and then it just kind of burned and it was over," says one radio executive about "Look." "It never really researched like a long-standing power, like she's had in the past. It was more of a statement single." Multiple radio executives who spoke with Billboard are bullish on Swift's radio future, calling "Ready" more of a "vintage Taylor" song. But for Swift, a big single leading into the album's release doesn't seem to matter; industry sources tell Billboard that Big Machine is expecting Reputation to sell an eye-popping 2 million copies in its first week. "She, in many ways, is the Radiohead of the digital generation," says Jeff Rabhan, chair of the Clive Davis Institute of Recorded Music at New York University. "She's the only one that checks every box: digital, physical, tickets. In my mind, she's the most powerful commodity in the music business." Swift is employing a new bag of tricks this time to prime the sales pumps, from a UPS promotion to a deal with Target that guarantees her more in-store display space than ever. Instead of radio, she has relied on Ticketmaster's Verified Fan program to incentivize fans to purchase albums and merchandise, or complete social media "boosts," which increase their chances of getting tickets to her yet-to-be-announced tour. By Nov. 3, pre-orders had passed 400,000 copies, and Target claimed it as the retail giant's biggest entertainment pre-order ever. "She's never one to be complacent or do things that have been done before," says Tom Poleman, chief programming officer at iHeartMedia, adding that the downward slide of her lead single on radio could be due to "general curiosity to hear the next thing quickly," which is "probably representative of what's happening in music generally: Songs are coming and going a lot faster, because the life cycle has been accelerated." Bucking the industry's new conventional wisdom, streaming services have been told they won't be able to stream Reputation in its entirety when it's released Nov. 10, underscoring the financial incentive superstars still have to withhold their albums, even as streaming powers the industry's accelerating growth. There is no example to date of an artist earning close to the equivalent of 1 million in week-one album sales via streaming: Kendrick Lamar's DAMN produced the most streaming-equivalent albums, tallying 340.8 million first-week audio on-demand streams, or 217,000 SEA units, in April. Hip-hop and R&B rule in streaming, so it’s doubtful that Swift could produce as many streams as Lamar. But even if Reputation did generate 200,000 SEA units, it would result in about $2.1 million, Billboard estimates, while 250,000-300,000 album sales would equal the same. If withholding streaming produces more than 300,000 sales, the move is worth it, Billboard estimates. For Swift herself, says Rabhan, the monetary differential is likely less of a concern than her stand about streaming undervaluing music, given "she could make more money in 30 days touring than she can in two years selling records." As for radio, "Nobody intentionally wants to have singles that don't work, but maybe this is a bridge record into a more international type of sound," he says. "It's so hard to grow with your audience; the 13-year-olds who can't live without you turn 14, get high for the first time and think you're the biggest loser who ever walked the earth. If you can avoid that, that's a win."
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Post by when the pawn... on Nov 9, 2017 17:43:03 GMT -5
^Radiohead? Lol they were never the commercial giants that Taylor is, but rather the most acclaimed act of the last 25 years...a title far from Swift's range. A very strange comparison.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 9, 2017 22:18:48 GMT -5
Radiohead sweetie, I'm so sorry...
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 9, 2017 23:03:11 GMT -5
2 million copies? They must be delusional.
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Post by Naos on Nov 10, 2017 0:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Nov 10, 2017 0:31:09 GMT -5
I’ll believe 2 million when I see it, but even that wouldn’t make it the “fastest-selling album ever.”
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 10, 2017 2:34:36 GMT -5
LOL what's the word TRYING there. Are they forcing people to get it, like U2?
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Post by dwhite725 on Nov 10, 2017 2:47:28 GMT -5
I call BS on that tweet. She only had 400k in preorders with everyone. How does iTunes now have 800k in preorders? Should I check my credit card since I did buy 2 of the singles so far?
I don't see it. She alienated her original fan base completely now. They still bought red and 1989, but I don't see it now. Also sales are abysmal now. Much different from 25. Streaming is so huge now I just don't see people buying this just to get it now. If this number holds, it's because of diehard fans. They just wasted there money to get a millionaire more millions. Sorry. That's dumb. The reception to her singles has not been that well received. It's not like Hello and 25. This is mind boggling
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Post by Duca on Nov 10, 2017 3:53:59 GMT -5
The album tracks from reputation are album-only on iTunes so her TEA will be coming from the four pre-release singles.
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Post by fullonrainstorm on Nov 10, 2017 3:57:42 GMT -5
LOL at the salt mine this thread turned out to be.
Big Machine announced 2 million which means they knew from internal sources at least 1 week ago that Taylor easily broke 2 million already.
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Post by Naos on Nov 10, 2017 4:02:14 GMT -5
I call BS on that tweet. She only had 400k in preorders with everyone. How does iTunes now have 800k in preorders? Should I check my credit card since I did buy 2 of the singles so far? I don't see it. She alienated her original fan base completely now. They still bought red and 1989, but I don't see it now. Also sales are abysmal now. Much different from 25. Streaming is so huge now I just don't see people buying this just to get it now. If this number holds, it's because of diehard fans. They just wasted there money to get a millionaire more millions. Sorry. That's dumb. The reception to her singles has not been that well received. It's not like Hello and 25. This is mind boggling Not what was meant by that. Likely, people bought more through iTunes to make it 800,000.
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Post by Naos on Nov 10, 2017 7:19:33 GMT -5
If the tweet is right, the album sold 800,000 in an hour.
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Post by chartfreak on Nov 10, 2017 8:07:11 GMT -5
2.2 million y'all.
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Post by Taylor. on Nov 10, 2017 9:11:09 GMT -5
That 800,000 number has to be worldwide, right?
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Post by Duca on Nov 10, 2017 9:24:34 GMT -5
That 800,000 number has to be worldwide, right?
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Post by deepston on Nov 10, 2017 9:27:46 GMT -5
She's coming for those 2m guys!
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 10, 2017 9:39:09 GMT -5
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I'm not sure why, but I never factored in that she'd make it album only, which was a major blip on my part. I'm not sure if Drake did it last year with Views, but if he didn't, it seems like it has been a decent while since a big act did so.
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Post by deepston on Nov 10, 2017 9:43:51 GMT -5
If this sold 800k in the first hour in the US, it probably sold 1m worldwide which is already 1/10 of the total sales of 1989! In 1 hour!
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Post by Choco on Nov 10, 2017 10:24:07 GMT -5
I'll take all numbers with a grain of salt until HDD publishes an estimate.
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