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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 14:55:29 GMT -5
On the topic of 6IX9INE, he also dropped Kooda earlier. Any guesses when/where that'll peak?
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Post by felipe on Dec 9, 2017 15:08:11 GMT -5
This might be kind of a silly question, but how does Billboard estimate how many people are listening to songs previously purchased on iTunes? Every time I listen to a song on Spotify it counts as a stream, right? Now let's say I bought All I Want for Christmas last year. Now it's the Christmas season again and I'm going to be playing that song many times, but I won't be purchasing it again since I already have. How do they account for that? Radical idea: They should replace sales with direct reporting from iTunes on how often purchased tracks are being played. Whatever app you use to listen to downloaded music sends your listening history to Billboard whenever you are online. When you are not online, the app caches your listening history and then sends it when you go back online. To those who never go online, their usage is estimated based on the behaviors of everybody who does go online. That's interesting. When you listen to songs offline on Spotfy those do count towards the charts, right? Or dn't they? I wondered if something similar happened to purchased tracks. So technically an older song like AIWFC gets even more popular during the holiday season than it's reflected on the Hot 100, since the chart doesn't account for all the people listening to their previously purchased track. That's quite interesting. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 9, 2017 15:24:57 GMT -5
On the topic of 6IX9INE, he also dropped Kooda earlier. Any guesses when/where that'll peak? Still curious whether that will chart at all. BTW, are you a fan? |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 9, 2017 15:28:38 GMT -5
Radical idea: They should replace sales with direct reporting from iTunes on how often purchased tracks are being played. Whatever app you use to listen to downloaded music sends your listening history to Billboard whenever you are online. When you are not online, the app caches your listening history and then sends it when you go back online. To those who never go online, their usage is estimated based on the behaviors of everybody who does go online. That's interesting. When you listen to songs offline on Spotfy those do count towards the charts, right? Or dn't they? I wondered if something similar happened to purchased tracks. So technically an older song like AIWFC gets even more popular during the holiday season than it's reflected on the Hot 100, since the chart doesn't account for all the people listening to their previously purchased track. That's quite interesting. I'm pretty certain that they do. Spotify does cache your listening history while offline. It even gives it to Last.Fm, so they most certainly pay their artists the royalties and add the numbers to the streamcount. The streamcount is where Billboard gets its data. So yes. Offline does count towards the charts. And yes on the Christmas songs. That could be a big reason why we're seeing an increase in X-Mas presence (no pun intended) as streaming increases. It always seemed ironic to me, as streaming skews towards younger audiences, and Christmas music always seemed like a.... mom thing. But looking at it that way actually makes more sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 15:32:51 GMT -5
On the topic of 6IX9INE, he also dropped Kooda earlier. Any guesses when/where that'll peak? Still curious whether that will chart at all. BTW, are you a fan? I hated his music at first, but then Gummo grew onto me and I ended up checking out his Soundcloud and other music as a result, I somehow enjoy his delivery and music. So yea, I'm a fan (unironically) |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 9, 2017 15:46:05 GMT -5
Still curious whether that will chart at all. BTW, are you a fan? I hated his music at first, but then Gummo grew onto me and I ended up checking out his Soundcloud and other music as a result, I somehow enjoy his delivery and music. So yea, I'm a fan (unironically) If Kooda manages to chart this year, it will be * Kodak Black * XXXTENTACION * Jake Paul * Playboi Carti * Offset * Bhad Bhabie * Youngboy Never Broke Again 8th Hip-Hop artist to debut their first and second song as main artist within the same calendar year. I don't think there's ever been a year that full of breakout Hip-Hop artists. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 9, 2017 16:03:23 GMT -5
This might be kind of a silly question, but how does Billboard estimate how many people are listening to songs previously purchased on iTunes? Every time I listen to a song on Spotify it counts as a stream, right? Now let's say I bought All I Want for Christmas last year. Now it's the Christmas season again and I'm going to be playing that song many times, but I won't be purchasing it again since I already have. How do they account for that? Radical idea: They should replace sales with direct reporting from iTunes on how often purchased tracks are being played. Whatever app you use to listen to downloaded music sends your listening history to Billboard whenever you are online. When you are not online, the app caches your listening history and then sends it when you go back online. To those who never go online, their usage is estimated based on the behaviors of everybody who does go online. This has been big gripe re: streaming counting for weeks on end, but a sale is only reflected during the week of purchase. For chart purposes, it's better if I stream on Spotify rather than play an 'owned' song. Other than the privacy concerns - although Apple probably captures more use data than we know - it would be a great way to accurately reflect listens. |
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Post by kingofpain on Dec 9, 2017 16:22:23 GMT -5
What’s a “bhad bhabie”? Do the extra h’s mean anything?
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Dec 9, 2017 16:27:11 GMT -5
Jake Paul & Hip-hop artist in the same sentence.. man this year had some ass music
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Post by tanooki on Dec 9, 2017 16:37:57 GMT -5
What’s a “bhad bhabie”? Do the extra h’s mean anything? It's the "Cash Me Ousside" girl, they don't mean anything. She always plays with the spelling of words. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 9, 2017 16:38:05 GMT -5
Jake Paul & Hip-hop artist in the same sentence.. man this year had some ass music You obviously haven't DABBED ON THE HATERS enough. |
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 9, 2017 16:38:32 GMT -5
What’s a “bhad bhabie”? Do the extra h’s mean anything? It's the "Cash Me Ousside" girl, they don't mean anything. She always plays with the spelling of words. It's probably because she doesn't know how to spell. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 9, 2017 17:13:14 GMT -5
Radical idea: They should replace sales with direct reporting from iTunes on how often purchased tracks are being played. Whatever app you use to listen to downloaded music sends your listening history to Billboard whenever you are online. When you are not online, the app caches your listening history and then sends it when you go back online. To those who never go online, their usage is estimated based on the behaviors of everybody who does go online. This has been big gripe re: streaming counting for weeks on end, but a sale is only reflected during the week of purchase. For chart purposes, it's better if I stream on Spotify rather than play an 'owned' song. Other than the privacy concerns - although Apple probably captures more use data than we know - it would be a great way to accurately reflect listens. I figured somebody might bring up "privacy concerns", but it's the exact same thing that apps already do: store your user data. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Dec 9, 2017 17:29:11 GMT -5
On the topic of 6IX9INE, he also dropped Kooda earlier. Any guesses when/where that'll peak? Hopefully -100 but it will probably chart because of course |
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 9, 2017 17:35:37 GMT -5
This has been big gripe re: streaming counting for weeks on end, but a sale is only reflected during the week of purchase. For chart purposes, it's better if I stream on Spotify rather than play an 'owned' song. Other than the privacy concerns - although Apple probably captures more use data than we know - it would be a great way to accurately reflect listens. I figured somebody might bring up "privacy concerns", but it's the exact same thing that apps already do: store your user data. Not to mention I'm pretty sure Apple already sort of did this. There used to be a chart that covered what users were adding to their iPods/iPhones be it downloaded from iTunes or uploaded from some other source. It wasn't directly Apple doing it, and it included what people were adding to their MySpace/Facebook profiles and other things. It was really weird and lasted only like a year or two before it became defunct, but I remember it existing, haha! It's not exactly what you're talking about, but it's very similar. I want to say it was called iLike or something similar to that. |
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Post by felipe on Dec 9, 2017 18:22:38 GMT -5
Radical idea: They should replace sales with direct reporting from iTunes on how often purchased tracks are being played. Whatever app you use to listen to downloaded music sends your listening history to Billboard whenever you are online. When you are not online, the app caches your listening history and then sends it when you go back online. To those who never go online, their usage is estimated based on the behaviors of everybody who does go online. This has been big gripe re: streaming counting for weeks on end, but a sale is only reflected during the week of purchase. For chart purposes, it's better if I stream on Spotify rather than play an 'owned' song. Other than the privacy concerns - although Apple probably captures more use data than we know - it would be a great way to accurately reflect listens. All interesting points. Not only does streaming count everytime a song is played but also airplay is counted evertime a song is played. So listening to a previously purchased track would be the only component that's only counted once, right? |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 9, 2017 18:52:11 GMT -5
This has been big gripe re: streaming counting for weeks on end, but a sale is only reflected during the week of purchase. For chart purposes, it's better if I stream on Spotify rather than play an 'owned' song. Other than the privacy concerns - although Apple probably captures more use data than we know - it would be a great way to accurately reflect listens. All interesting points. Not only does streaming count everytime a song is played but also airplay is counted evertime a song is played. So listening to a previously purchased track would be the only component that's only counted once, right? Yes, but of course in a general sense it's the hardest to track. When we had cassettes, for instance, how could anyone track how often people listened? This is why I've always said sales reflect 'new interest' while airplay (and now streaming) track continued interest. |
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Post by mako on Dec 9, 2017 19:16:15 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Gucci Gang has a Snapchat filter. (Idk cause I don't use Snapchat)
Does it's usage contribute to it's streams?
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 9, 2017 19:20:54 GMT -5
People on ATRL are predicting Gummo going top 10 .-. Where’s the new forumula when you need it. I doubt it. YouTube removed those views cause apperantly they were fake. Which makes sense. |
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Post by Someone on Dec 9, 2017 19:29:38 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Gucci Gang has a Snapchat filter. (Idk cause I don't use Snapchat) Does it's usage contribute to it's streams? no it shouldn’t |
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Post by felipe on Dec 9, 2017 20:51:32 GMT -5
All interesting points. Not only does streaming count everytime a song is played but also airplay is counted evertime a song is played. So listening to a previously purchased track would be the only component that's only counted once, right? Yes, but of course in a general sense it's the hardest to track. When we had cassettes, for instance, how could anyone track how often people listened? This is why I've always said sales reflect 'new interest' while airplay (and now streaming) track continued interest. That's what I wondered, if it's really hard (or impossible?) to track, or if our devices do track it automatically. Back then it was impossible to track what somebody was listening on a casette, it might not even count a single time since the person might have recorded it from somebody else or the radio. But repeated playing on streaming didn't exist back then either. And I assume an older holiday song (say Thriller or AIWFCIY) wouldn't be allowed to chart based on airplay lone, right? So that song wouldn't be represented at all on the Hot 100. Nowadays those songs are allowed to chart, but the Hot 100 only tracks a part of their popularity. |
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Post by TakeMe on Dec 9, 2017 21:23:19 GMT -5
Was there ever a chance Perfect would have went number one without the remix?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 22:30:23 GMT -5
Was there ever a chance Perfect would have went number one without the remix? Near negative, Rockstar/Havana still isn't finished at this point, and its only hope would be airplay scraping, which would only at best make it so close yet so far |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 22:37:58 GMT -5
I hated his music at first, but then Gummo grew onto me and I ended up checking out his Soundcloud and other music as a result, I somehow enjoy his delivery and music. So yea, I'm a fan (unironically) If Kooda manages to chart this year, it will be * Kodak Black * XXXTENTACION * Jake Paul * Playboi Carti * Offset * Bhad Bhabie * Youngboy Never Broke Again 8th Hip-Hop artist to debut their first and second song as main artist within the same calendar year. I don't think there's ever been a year that full of breakout Hip-Hop artists. If some of these are what we consider to be actual "artists' then I SOOOOOOOOOO don't want to see where this takes us in the upcoming years Ugh, why can't the world just let me be happy and let rappers with real talent constantly dominate |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 10, 2017 0:29:14 GMT -5
Now that Perfect has passed Perfect Duet by a large margin in sales and is closing gap in streams, will Beyonce be removed from credits for the tracking week that just started - one week after it presumably hits #1)? I'm assuming the airplay points were never close, but that sales/streaming were enough to cross that 50% mark for the #1 week. Didn't Britney get zapped from S&M because of that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 1:36:37 GMT -5
Now that Perfect has passed Perfect Duet by a large margin in sales and is closing gap in streams, will Beyonce be removed from credits for the tracking week that just started - one week after it presumably hits #1)? I'm assuming the airplay points were never close, but that sales/streaming were enough to cross that 50% mark for the #1 week. Didn't Britney get zapped from S&M because of that? It's Beyoncé. No way in hell is she going to lose credit. Remember Mi Gente? |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 10, 2017 3:40:12 GMT -5
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Post by TakeMe on Dec 10, 2017 3:59:07 GMT -5
Now that Perfect has passed Perfect Duet by a large margin in sales and is closing gap in streams, will Beyonce be removed from credits for the tracking week that just started - one week after it presumably hits #1)? I'm assuming the airplay points were never close, but that sales/streaming were enough to cross that 50% mark for the #1 week. Didn't Britney get zapped from S&M because of that? It's Beyoncé. No way in hell is she going to lose credit. Remember Mi Gente? LOL most definitely, not to mention it’s been forever since she’s had a number one, she needs this! She’s pretty much the Cher of this generation. |
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Post by willapted33 on Dec 10, 2017 4:02:54 GMT -5
LOVE. top 10 on radio holy shit
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