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Post by Groovy on Jan 5, 2018 13:45:55 GMT -5
In this thread we'll talk about past year end charts and our opinions and put in our top 10 best and worst. Also we can the upcoming year end charts and what we think about it.
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Post by brady47 on Jan 5, 2018 14:39:57 GMT -5
Great idea! Something that struck me as weird is the 2007 year end charts.
1) Girlfriend (#12) - Why did Girlfriend TANK on radio? (#74 year end, #10 peak). It was a huge Youtube and digital hit (#2 year end), but radio paid it dust. Even Sk8er Boi was a bigger airplay hit which surprised me. 2007 was a year where pop songs did extremely well on airplay, and there were some less radio friendly songs like Fergalicious that ranked higher on airplay, so I was shocked to see a song as iconic as Girlfriend peak that low on radio.
2) The Sweet Escape (#3) ranked higher than Big Girls Don't Cry (#4) - but BGDC was #1 on digital, and #4 on airplay year end, while The Sweet Escape was #6 on digital, and #7 on radio. How did it outpeak Big Girls Don't Cry?
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Post by Groovy on Jan 5, 2018 14:57:23 GMT -5
I'll start off with the 2017 Year, overall I believe this year was a pretty solid one there were a few ups and downs so lets see what we got and my thoughts and rankings.
1. This is the least sounding Ed Sheeran song I've ever heard and I never imagined him doing a dancehall song, overall there are people who don't like this I think this is a solid song. 3/5 2. This song will never get old, it's mind blowing that this song tied One Sweet Day for the most weeks at number one. 5/5 3. Can't wait to see how Finesse does. 4/5 4. Thank god this was the highest charting rap song of this year. 5/5 5. Probably the best Chainsmokers song, but Coldplay could've done better. 4.5/5 6. Didn't know Migos was a trio until I heard this and Lil Uzi Vert brings nothing to this song. 1/5 7. Laziest duet I've heard. 1/5 8. This makes Cruise look like a classic. 0/5 9. Fell from grace with this song. 2/5 10. We'll be seeing more of this guy this year. 2.5/5 11. I don't hate this song as much as others. 1/5 12. Lil Wayne and this production made this song okay in my opinion. 2/5 13. Took me a while to see the appeal and I still don't like this song. 1/5 14. It's just meh. 2/5 15. Solid song showcasing talent from two otherwise mediocre rappers at best. 4/5 16. Best Bruno song ever. 5/5 17. Not the best from either the DJ or singer but still it's okay. 3/5 18. Should've been a number one hit. 4/5 19. Best song from the duo. 3/5 20. Hit number one too late. 5/5 21. Hopefully he gets more hits. 5/5 22. Best Charlie Puth song. 4/5 23. Best Shawn Mendes, should've been on the standard edition. 4/5 24. A female Kodak Black song but better than he could've done it. 2/5 25. I can't believe this even cracked the top 25 without a video but we can thank Get Out for that which is a good movie. 5/5 26. I hate Fifty Shades Darker but don't hate this song that much. 2/5 27. Best EDM song of this year, can't believe we got a Kygo song. 5/5 28. Kyle is the only interesting song on this track. 4/5 29. Should stick to writing. 0/5 30. Can't do better, but still a solid song. 3/5 31. Weak song about a sensitive message from one of the rappers of this generation and two good R&B singers. 2/5 32. One of the most innocent sex songs I've heard, also This Town should've charted. 3/5 33. Easily one of the best songs off Anti. 5/5 34. Another sex song to get past the darkness that is The Weeknd. 5/5 35. Solid song. 3/5 36. Easily the weakest songs from any of the 1D members. 0/5 37. Drake has done WAY better than this just look at From Time or Take Care. 1/5 38. WORST MAROON 5 SONG EVER. 0/5 39. WORST TAYLOR SWIFT SONG EVER. 0/5 40. Nice U2 sounding song one of the best of this year. 5/5 41. Worst thing MGK has done. 0/5 42. It's alright. 2/5 43. Didn't really Nicki Minaj. 3/5 44. Solid song. 3/5 45. Best rock charting song of this year. 4/5 46. Meh. 2/5 47. Sucker for this one too. 3/5 48. Boring rapper. 0/5 49. Nothing too this song really. 1.5/5 50. I can't believe this cracked this top 10 and that Beyoncé hopped on this song and worst of all I forgot this on my top 10 worst songs. 0/5 51. See number 9 but slightly better. 2/5 52. Nothing too this song. 0/5 53. Another annoying with these two rappers. 1/5 54. Solid song. 3/5 55. Worst song of 2017. 0/5 56. This could've been better. 2/5 57. Not a bad song. 2/5 58. Good song from an awful movie. 3/5 59. This sounds like a ripoff of Needed Me. 1/5 60. Solid song. 3/5 61. Boring song with a dance. 1/5 62. Best song off DAMN. 5/5 63. See number 61 but worst. 0/5 64. Just awful. 0/5 65. Best Drake charting song of this year. 3.5/5 66. Pretty weak from Kendrick Lamar standards. 4/5 67. Really regretting not putting this as number one on top 10 best songs list, it's the best song coming from someone who I never dreamt would have another hit song. 5/5 68. Finally a good charting song from Travis Scott. 5/5 69. Not a bad song from Maroon 5 in my opinion but truly is weak. 1/5 70. DRAM is the best thing on the song. 4/5 71. Best song with Migos but Frank Ocean is the weakest one on the track. 5/5 72. Decent song. 4/5 73. A hypocritical song from an artist who had little to no relevance until this year. 0/5 74. Okay song. 3/5 75. Good song. 4.5/5 76. Okay I guess. 2/5 77. It gets annoying after a while. 3/5 78. The song with Thunder kind of ruined it for me. 3/5 79. I jump up to this at the parties at my school, it's not really bad but it's not good either. 2/5 80. Finally a song from SZA. 5/5 81. Kodak Black ruined this song. 1/5 82. Don't care for this. 1/5 83. See 82. 1/5 84. It's an okay comeback hit. 2/5 85. Should've expected this chart. 2/5 86. MIGOS. 1/5 87. Not really surprised this charted, amazing song. 5/5 88. Surprised a song from 25 charted. 5/5 89. MILEY. 2/5 90. Bad. 0/5 91. BAD. 0/5 92. BAD!!!. 0/5 93. Migos delivered. 3/5 94. Okay, I guess. 2/5 95. Not bad. 2/5 96. Solid break out hit from Camila Cabello. 5/5 97. Best Maroon 5 to chart. 3/5 98. Another bad song. 0/5 99. Even worst. 0/5 100. Should've charted higher. 4/5
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Post by Groovy on Jan 5, 2018 18:33:07 GMT -5
Great idea! Something that struck me as weird is the 2007 year end charts. 1) Girlfriend (#12) - Why did Girlfriend TANK on radio? (#74 year end, #10 peak). It was a huge Youtube and digital hit (#2 year end), but radio paid it dust. Even Sk8er Boi was a bigger airplay hit which surprised me. 2007 was a year where pop songs did extremely well on airplay, and there were some less radio friendly songs like Fergalicious that ranked higher on airplay, so I was shocked to see a song as iconic as Girlfriend peak that low on radio. 2) The Sweet Escape (#3) ranked higher than Big Girls Don't Cry (#4) - but BGDC was #1 on digital, and #4 on airplay year end, while The Sweet Escape was #6 on digital, and #7 on radio. How did it outpeak Big Girls Don't Cry? Thank you for the compliment, honestly I don't know the answer but I can take a good guess on how this is so. 1. Like you said Girlfriend peaked at number 10 but you also need to look at its longevity on the radio charts. The following it hit number 10 it fell to the top thirty and within a few weeks it was gone with just 15 weeks so that might be a reason why. (Another note YouTube was still pretty new back then so there was no chart for it) 2. My only guess for why The Sweet Escape beat out BGDC is because of longevity, Sweet Escape first appeared on the charts in December of 2006 while BGDC appeared in May of 2007 so that could be why.
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Post by brady47 on Jan 5, 2018 23:28:05 GMT -5
Great idea! Something that struck me as weird is the 2007 year end charts. 1) Girlfriend (#12) - Why did Girlfriend TANK on radio? (#74 year end, #10 peak). It was a huge Youtube and digital hit (#2 year end), but radio paid it dust. Even Sk8er Boi was a bigger airplay hit which surprised me. 2007 was a year where pop songs did extremely well on airplay, and there were some less radio friendly songs like Fergalicious that ranked higher on airplay, so I was shocked to see a song as iconic as Girlfriend peak that low on radio. 2) The Sweet Escape (#3) ranked higher than Big Girls Don't Cry (#4) - but BGDC was #1 on digital, and #4 on airplay year end, while The Sweet Escape was #6 on digital, and #7 on radio. How did it outpeak Big Girls Don't Cry? Thank you for the compliment, honestly I don't know the answer but I can take a good guess on how this is so. 1. Like you said Girlfriend peaked at number 10 but you also need to look at its longevity on the radio charts. The following it hit number 10 it fell to the top thirty and within a few weeks it was gone with just 15 weeks so that might be a reason why. (Another note YouTube was still pretty new back then so there was no chart for it) 2. My only guess for why The Sweet Escape beat out BGDC is because of longevity, Sweet Escape first appeared on the charts in December of 2006 while BGDC appeared in May of 2007 so that could be why. Agreed. It was just mind-boggling to me, how in 2007, pop makes a comeback, and Girlfriend being a huge hit did that poorly on airplay. The best explanation I can think of is that 2007 was a very competitive year, and I guess she lost radio support. Yeah, but weren't digital sales/airplay the main components of performance or is there a 3rd I'm not thinking of? Because BGDC beat TSE on year end in both digital sales and airplay, so what was that 3rd component?
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Post by 85la on Jan 6, 2018 20:17:28 GMT -5
Great idea! Something that struck me as weird is the 2007 year end charts. 1) Girlfriend (#12) - Why did Girlfriend TANK on radio? (#74 year end, #10 peak). It was a huge Youtube and digital hit (#2 year end), but radio paid it dust. Even Sk8er Boi was a bigger airplay hit which surprised me. 2007 was a year where pop songs did extremely well on airplay, and there were some less radio friendly songs like Fergalicious that ranked higher on airplay, so I was shocked to see a song as iconic as Girlfriend peak that low on radio. 2) The Sweet Escape (#3) ranked higher than Big Girls Don't Cry (#4) - but BGDC was #1 on digital, and #4 on airplay year end, while The Sweet Escape was #6 on digital, and #7 on radio. How did it outpeak Big Girls Don't Cry? Actually, I believe I can answer your questions more thoroughly, as I followed the charts very closely that year. The reasons for your observations actually has nothing to do with longevity, or YouTube or any other third component (YouTube didn't count then, and streaming was only a minimal part of the formula that they added towards the end of the year). 1) Most pop songs actually did not do very well at all in overall airplay in 2007 (we were still in the era of urban/hip-hop domination then). The reason why Girlfriend only peaked at #10 on Hot 100 Airplay was because it only did well on pop airplay (around #3) but pretty much nowhere else, no rhythmic or even AC/Hot AC. Pop radio audiences were a lot lower back then, but some pop songs were able to crack the top 5 on the Hot 100 Airplay by receiving large amounts of play on AC and Hot AC as well, and maybe some rhythmic, which was the case with the Sweet Escape, which leads to your second question. 2) The Sweet Escape ranked higher than Big Girls Don't Cry on the year-end chart, despite having less sales and airplay, simply because Billboard changed their formula towards the end of the year, essentially reducing points from sales by half, and they did not take this into account when compiling the year-end chart. Since most of BGDC's run was towards the end of the year and TSE was towards the beginning, BGDC had a much larger chunk of its sales points taken away that otherwise would have allowed it to rank higher.
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Post by mamooshka on Jan 6, 2018 20:58:04 GMT -5
I'll start off with the 2017 Year, overall I believe this year was a pretty solid one there were a few ups and downs so lets see what we got and my thoughts and rankings. 16. Best Bruno song ever. 5/5 39. WORST TAYLOR SWIFT SONG EVER. 0/5 Agreed. In fact, I expected another chart topper from Bruno following the monster UF two years prior, but it peaked at a disappointing #4. This same type of post-blockbuster anticipation would push Taylor's arguably worst song to the top of the charts. Attachment Deleted
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Post by brady47 on Jan 7, 2018 0:42:18 GMT -5
Great idea! Something that struck me as weird is the 2007 year end charts. 1) Girlfriend (#12) - Why did Girlfriend TANK on radio? (#74 year end, #10 peak). It was a huge Youtube and digital hit (#2 year end), but radio paid it dust. Even Sk8er Boi was a bigger airplay hit which surprised me. 2007 was a year where pop songs did extremely well on airplay, and there were some less radio friendly songs like Fergalicious that ranked higher on airplay, so I was shocked to see a song as iconic as Girlfriend peak that low on radio. 2) The Sweet Escape (#3) ranked higher than Big Girls Don't Cry (#4) - but BGDC was #1 on digital, and #4 on airplay year end, while The Sweet Escape was #6 on digital, and #7 on radio. How did it outpeak Big Girls Don't Cry? Actually, I believe I can answer your questions more thoroughly, as I followed the charts very closely that year. The reasons for your observations actually has nothing to do with longevity, or YouTube or any other third component (YouTube didn't count then, and streaming was only a minimal part of the formula that they added towards the end of the year). 1) Most pop songs actually did not do very well at all in overall airplay in 2007 (we were still in the era of urban/hip-hop domination then). The reason why Girlfriend only peaked at #10 on Hot 100 Airplay was because it only did well on pop airplay (around #3) but pretty much nowhere else, no rhythmic or even AC/Hot AC. Pop radio audiences were a lot lower back then, but some pop songs were able to crack the top 5 on the Hot 100 Airplay by receiving large amounts of play on AC and Hot AC as well, and maybe some rhythmic, which was the case with the Sweet Escape, which leads to your second question. 2) The Sweet Escape ranked higher than Big Girls Don't Cry on the year-end chart, despite having less sales and airplay, simply because Billboard changed their formula towards the end of the year, essentially reducing points from sales by half, and they did not take this into account when compiling the year-end chart. Since most of BGDC's run was towards the end of the year and TSE was towards the beginning, BGDC had a much larger chunk of its sales points taken away that otherwise would have allowed it to rank higher. Amazing explanation - that makes so much sense. Thank you. I realize Girlfriend may have only had support from pop, but it hit #1 on Mainstream Top 40, so despite only having support from Pop, I still feel #74 is awfully low (not that it was incorrect) - I would've expected top 40/50 year end at least. My Happy Ending was a much bigger radio hit and 2004 was hugely urban dominated, and it seems to be on par with Sk8er Boi.
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Post by 85la on Jan 7, 2018 16:31:15 GMT -5
^ Sure, no problem explaining. Yeah, I guess nykanyon's comment about the longevity of Girlfriend does apply somewhat, as mentioned it peaked pretty high on pop, but burned out fast shortly thereafter, quickly losing spins. I remember hearing that song constantly on my local pop station for like a month, but then virtually nothing thereafter.
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Post by Groovy on Jan 9, 2018 16:11:31 GMT -5
I got a question myself. Has a song that topped the year end chart ever charted on the previous year?
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jan 11, 2018 13:22:33 GMT -5
I got a question myself. Has a song that topped the year end chart ever charted on the previous year? The Twist, topped the Year-End chart in 1960 and again in 1962.
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Post by renaboss on Jan 11, 2018 13:41:36 GMT -5
I got a question myself. Has a song that topped the year end chart ever charted on the previous year? The Twist, topped the Year-End chart in 1960 and again in 1962. It did no such thing, on either year. In 1960, Percy Faith's instrumental "Theme from A Summer Place" was the year-end #1 song, with "The Twist" ranking at #10, and in 1962 another instrumental topped the year-end chart, Mr. Acker's Bilk's "Stranger on the Shore", with "The Twist" coming in at #9. It is, however, the only song that hit #1 in two separate chart runs, maybe you got it mixed up.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jan 11, 2018 14:06:56 GMT -5
The Twist, topped the Year-End chart in 1960 and again in 1962. It did no such thing, on either year. In 1960, Percy Faith's instrumental "Theme from A Summer Place" was the year-end #1 song, with "The Twist" ranking at #10, and in 1962 another instrumental topped the year-end chart, Mr. Acker's Bilk's "Stranger on the Shore", with "The Twist" coming in at #9. It is, however, the only song that hit #1 in two separate chart runs, maybe you got it mixed up. Oh yeah I definitely got it mixed up.
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Post by brady47 on Aug 27, 2018 17:38:33 GMT -5
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Post by 85la on Aug 28, 2018 1:51:30 GMT -5
^ Yeah, I remember they did that. Back then the radio chart was known as the Hot 100 Airplay, so maybe they planned on switching to listing 100 positions at least for all future year-end charts to make it true to its name, and then reneged on it later.
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Post by brady47 on Aug 28, 2018 19:33:32 GMT -5
^Yeah! It's weird how it only exists for 2009, I wish they extended the other years as well! It was interesting seeing songs that just missed the Top 75 like "If U Seek Amy", "I Do Not Hook Up" and "She Wolf"
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Post by velaxti on Aug 28, 2018 20:45:35 GMT -5
^Yeah! It's weird how it only exists for 2009, I wish they extended the other years as well! It was interesting seeing songs that just missed the Top 75 like "If U Seek Amy", "I Do Not Hook Up" and "She Wolf" I heard If U Seek Amy in a club a few days ago!
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Post by brady47 on Aug 29, 2018 16:37:18 GMT -5
^Yeah! It's weird how it only exists for 2009, I wish they extended the other years as well! It was interesting seeing songs that just missed the Top 75 like "If U Seek Amy", "I Do Not Hook Up" and "She Wolf" I heard If U Seek Amy in a club a few days ago! It actually did pretty well in the US (it was a bigger hit than "Piece of Me" at least), for a #19 peak, being #74 on the year end chart is pretty decent
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