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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 10:57:42 GMT -5
I think Surf said he would around today to finish off his thoughts today so patiently waiting on that, i think i'll also isolate Milo post only not because i think he is scum per se, but because her and surf and the two i have least gut or read on thus far.
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Post by surfy on Jan 12, 2018 11:12:31 GMT -5
I think Surf said he would around today to finish off his thoughts today so patiently waiting on that, i think i'll also isolate Milo post only not because i think he is scum per se, but because her and surf and the two i have least gut or read on thus far. Yeah I have class until 3PM (so 5 hours from now) and then I’ll be free to post my thoughts! I’m sorry it is taking me so long!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 11:24:16 GMT -5
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Post by Albie on Jan 12, 2018 16:24:56 GMT -5
So Greentoo’s latest defense is that he thought D1 was nearly over so he threw a vote down (on Sam, not on the person he felt was suspicious which was Barbie). This is more advice than anything, I guess - Greentoo, it might be better for you to vote for what your suspicions are rather than caving to pressure unless its going to cause no lynch or something like that. But even then, if you have a certain conviction about something and you want to go with it, that’s good. At least you’ve stated your case. Its always going to be best that whatever you do, you do it with reasoning. But the odd thing is that when you voted for Sam, it wasn’t like he just made sense because there was a wagon on him at that point in time, so I’m not sure how much I’m buying the “throwing a random vote because you thought D1 was almost over” excuse. With regard to surf, huh…well there is still not much there and real life is getting in the way of that but I suppose if I’m continuing to look at things from the player that is least helpful perspective, I’d have to toss Surf in the mix with Greentoo and Sam unless he comes through later this evening. But what’s stood out to me of late was Mylo’s change of heart for really…no apparent reason that I could see. It seemed like he was ready to be done with it and then suddenly he was willing to give Greentoo a second chance. His post to vote for Greentoo came off as rather ‘victorious’ or mic-droppy (I can’t explain it very well) but it culminated in such a fashion that you felt there was no way he’d be changing his mind. This action was very confusing to me and I’m not feeling particularly good about it even though, up until that point, I’d at least felt good about how much Mylo had been contributing to the game. But that doesn’t make him more or less scummy.
Mylo13 💜 you said that “a significant portion of people defend said person” in reference to Greentoo but I didn’t really get that impression. What did you consider to be defending him? I found Libra’s point interesting regarding Surf taking his vote off Greentoo after I questioned him on that but then not voting for anyone at all despite him earlier emphasizing to Greentoo that every vote makes a difference. I do think he did that out of response to my questioning him on his conviction of his vote but not sure why he felt it was necessary to satisfy my thoughts.
Regarding Barbie, Libra made some great points as to how some of her posts have had phrasing that seems forced in order to cement herself as town. I thought those were great points and in looking back at her posting style, its something to be considered. Is it super scummy? I don’t think so. But its something to be questioned. Alternatively, though, I can see where she is typing things more out of a necessity to lay out her owns thoughts on “paper” and having those odd little notations in order to help organize herself - and I only say that because I feel its something I do in my own posts. I will say she has no qualms with making decisive and helpful posts even as Barbie!scum as she did a rather nice job with it two games ago by posting analytics and all sorts of stuff. But I’m not too sure I feel she is misleading us just now. FoS on Barbie at the very least though. That said, I am not opposed to switching to Barbie wagon if she continues to be a strong lead going into the evening.
As of this post, I continue to see no merit in Greentoo’s contributions so my vote stays on him for reasons of simply not being helpful and giving no indication that he intends to be more helpful moving forward. I’d love to hear from Barbie, Surf and Mylo as the day continues. Btw I will check in periodically later this evening but I can’t be around for long periods of time as I have date night this evening.
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Post by Libra on Jan 12, 2018 17:22:35 GMT -5
As of this post, I continue to see no merit in Greentoo’s contributions so my vote stays on him for reasons of simply not being helpful and giving no indication that he intends to be more helpful moving forward. Uh...actually your vote is on Sam. Receipts [1], [2] and I haven't seen you move it since [2].
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Post by Albie on Jan 12, 2018 17:34:52 GMT -5
Oop lol can't keep up with my own thoughts.
I thought I had switched to Greentoo. I am fine to vote him over Sam at this point but I'll keep my vote where it is for now and hopefully we hear more from those missing players.
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Post by Libra on Jan 12, 2018 17:39:34 GMT -5
I can't help but notice the difference in reactions to being put in the hot seat by greentoo and Barbie.
greentoo...really doesn't seem to be fighting all that hard to stay in this. I don't much like that at all, and yet...I can't help but think that if in fact he were scum, he'd at least try. It's not impossible that he is scum in spite of this, but...what makes it a tough sell for me is that let's say he does get lynched and flips scum. That almost certainly gives us a Day 2 start of 6v1, wherein a scum partner will have to run the gauntlet alone. Again, not impossible, but...definitely risky, I'd think.
Barbie, on the other hand: My vote was only the second on her, and yet it prompted this:
That's a pretty strong pushback for only having 2 votes.
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Post by Libra on Jan 12, 2018 17:49:23 GMT -5
Since we're coming up on only having 6 hours left, I'll draw one of these up: Unofficial Vote Countgreentoo [3]: BackwoodsBarbie, Sam, Coco Myloninja [1]: Cynthia Sam [1]: Albie BackwoodsBarbie [2]: greentoo, Libra Not Voting: Surf, Myloninja I would prefer that we at least lynch somebody rather than letting us get stuck with a No Lynch. I don't think a Deadline Extension would be very effective for D1, either. @antigonerising surfy Mylo13 💜 it looks like the swing vote(s) will come from among you three; Albie's already stated intent to vote greentoo.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Jan 12, 2018 18:03:41 GMT -5
I can't help but notice the difference in reactions to being put in the hot seat by greentoo and Barbie. greentoo...really doesn't seem to be fighting all that hard to stay in this. I don't much like that at all, and yet...I can't help but think that if in fact he were scum, he'd at least try. It's not impossible that he is scum in spite of this, but...what makes it a tough sell for me is that let's say he does get lynched and flips scum. That almost certainly gives us a Day 2 start of 6v1, wherein a scum partner will have to run the gauntlet alone. Again, not impossible, but...definitely risky, I'd think. Barbie, on the other hand: My vote was only the second on her, and yet it prompted this: That's a pretty strong pushback for only having 2 votes. Well i'm not only having two votes on me I'm having a vote from Grentoo and the vote from you. So to explain this - I played mafia once before and I semi-watched the polar express one and in both of this two games the webinator was the one leading the game. He is skiled and expirienced player just like you so it's not hard to see the similarites between him and you. So if you look back at polar expres game and you pay a close attention on what happend to the player who the webinator vote for (it was will) - there were 5 or 6 more people voting form him till the end of day one and they lynched him even though he was vanilla town. Then you can go back to the first game and see how was I lynched then (i was mafia then but they had nothing one me). So the webinator voted for me (he was first or second) with no big reasoning behind his vote and when I woke up (because I live in Europe and I sleep when most of you are active) I was lynched. I'm saying this because there are players who tend to follow the leader and the fact that I'm having your vote on me is strong enough reason for them to vote for me too without giving any additional explanation. This is also my last post for D1 because it's already midnight here and I'm going to sleep.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 18:06:38 GMT -5
It is now Day 1. Deadline has been set for 01/12/2018 at 11:59 PM EST
Day 1 Vote Count (003): It takes 5/9 Votes to lynch!
BackwoodsBarbie [2]: greentoo, Libra greentoo [3]: BackwoodsBarbie, Sam, Coco Milo [1]: Cynthia Sam [1]: Albie
Not Voting: Milo, Surf
#mod: deadline is in approximately 6 hours. Bear in mind that failure to reach the lynch threshold by deadline will default to a No Lynch consensus. This reminder is a courtesy. Players will not receive any further reminders of this nature for the remainder of the game.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jan 12, 2018 18:21:37 GMT -5
Okay, we have only around six hours left. As of now, I'm most suspicious of Greentoo, followed by Sam. I'm not 100% set on either of them, but it would help the game immensely for Day 2 to analyse Greentoo's posts, voting history, and of course his wagon. I'm putting him at L-1 by:
Vote: Greentoo
If you're on Greentoo, you have six-ish hours to make a case against your lynch.
Also, in about 24 hours from this post, I'll be going on a camping trip, so I may miss ~24 hours of day 2 (Assuming i'm not dead). I won't have any other internet problems after that, and I can call upon a tiny bit of my data specifically to check in here, but I apologize if I'm mostly absent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 18:26:45 GMT -5
At this point I'm torn. I know i mentioned earlier part of greentoo raising suspicion is due to his lack of reasoning, speaking for himself to defend himself. Where at least Barbie is trying. That trying could be a cover up but I can't help shake the baseless, self serving votes that green has made
I do agree we need to make a decision do oust greentoo who could be scum but most likely unhelpful townie. or is Barbie playing deceptively ?
Libra raised a good point that green would defend himself slightly more and since I already had Barbie as my initial fos along with green and to a lesser extent curious about Milo.
I usually make mistake when I don't trust my gut and from the posts I quoted Barbie seemed to jump out at me intially.
Vote: Barbie
However I still think if the consensus is green . I'm comfortable with that as well. Will keep checking.
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Post by surfy on Jan 12, 2018 18:29:58 GMT -5
continuation of my previous post in response to Albie (note these are not in order) I'm not critiquing game setup analysis because I am shit at understanding the mechanics of that, but if something really stands out in that beginning conversation I'll point it out! greentoo - he seems to have this "who cares" vibe in regards to town. It's strange. His very first post includes quotes such as "claiming will be useless and will end up with you being either killed or lynched by default" and "I have to post here so the mods don't think I'm inactive. In his next post right after Backwoods Barbie voted for him, greentoo responds within two hours now saying he suspects BackwoodsBarbie with very little reasoning behind it (which I prodded him on) and again when Sam votes for him - within an hour or two from that post his suspicion suddenly shifts onto Sam there's no reasoning involved there again. And when prodded - another one sentence response... "I chose a random person" but did you? Sam just voted for you. It doesn't appear random. If it was a revenge vote, give that reasoning. RVS votes kinda need to start ending and suspicions are rising - please give us some insight. "It doesn't look like there will be a lynch today" Why did you say this? You were (and still are) at L-2 at the time you posted this. Why are you so sure there will be no lynch today? And just a minute ago he said he could see an Albie and Surf mafia team, which I find weird at this point. Albie never stated I posted something useful - he said that I'm "trying to get it together" which means that I have been asking questions but haven't gone in depth yet. If anything you haven't really posted anything of true reasoning or substance up to this point. New information: I really didn't like how he changed his vote to BackwoodsBarbie just to please the crowd rather than giving us substance and analysis which would truly make us satisfied. He has now changed his story again and said that he thought the day was over? Why, I'm not sure since no one was offering or pushing for end of the day lynches. Quite honestly has added nothing to the game but a common point of suspicion.Cynthia - a little analysis, her information is more useful than others, but I want more (and I'm assuming she'll help us much better in later rounds) more specific post analysis for her reads would've been nice, but legit who am I to judge at this point? I'm looking forward to seeing what Cynthia contributes to the game, but very vague analysis for the players atm. High potential to be useful on the little analysis offered so far.Myloninja13 - The poster with the least amount of posts in the entire game thus far does that mean the least amount of quality, let's find out? An RVS vote, a set up analysis, and an announcement of tentative reading later and we have our first analysis of a player - and it's mainly more setup talk and calling out Coco (which seemed really unnecessary personally) Mylo in his next post interprets shade (Which I found insignificant to the game tbh, but who knows?) He seems to find greentoo more fallible in argument yet places a vote on Sam instead. He points out a link between Sam and greentoo - but their only link was voting for each other - weak but still something to look at in the future I suppose. I just don't see much reasoning behind the vote for Sam. His full player analysis is where the real substance comes in - regarding the thoughts about me "you brought a fire to your words and questioned and called out people strongly. You don't seem to be as strong this game." It's fairly early in the game, so I don't have many strong leads thus far, but make no mistake if I find something suspicious I will call you out (see: my persistent questioning of greentoo even if I haven't had time to do a whole analysis of the game so far). Also my personality has somewhat changed from my explosive personality a few years ago (to tell you the truth I don't remember how I played mafia beforehand I remember none of those games lmaooooo) I do appreciate you going and checking past games for playing personalities though, those are useful (especially when pointing out Sam) and I'm glad you acknowledged that you found greentoo more suspicious. Damn a rant! whoo! I've had many of those same suspicions of greentoo though. Lmao at your analysis of Cynthia though! But then in your next post you immediately retract your vote on green, you seemed so sure though? I understand he was at L-1, but you were so. sure. I just don't follow the logic. Tried to offer up something but ultimately didn't amount to much of anything. BackwoodsBarbie - Places a serious vote on greentoo (and I'm looking for each players posts specifically in this so excuse me if I'm wrong on this) but I believe this was the first real vote. The reasoning was loose but based on actual posts and reasoning and it started a tone for the game. I didn't expect too much for the first vote. I enjoy in the character analysis that he specifically references posts by using post #s. I've already responded specifically to his thoughts of me in a previous post so I won't be redundant and revisit that and the other analyses didn't add much to the discussion from what I've seen from other posts. Also very defensive after only a couple of serious votes against you (most specifically the response to Libra) It just kinda seemed to defeatist and counterproductive - prove to us a case as to why you're not scum or why someone else should be paid attention to. What not to do is throw a pity party when nothing is certain and then respond with a meme about soccer... especially when you only have 2 votes against you. Mostly middle of the road opinions and defensiveness.Sambalada - The whole "shade" talk was cute but meh to me (not specifically to you, just I picked up on what you meant and forgot about it 2 seconds later lmao) Sam what did you bring to this game? Other than questioning greentoo on things already spoken about then pointing out a link between green and Barbie then immediately retracting the possibility - I've seen nothing of substance from you. Basically useless thus far in the context of this game.Albie - Odd that we've been linked as mafia partners already lmao - how strange since I've seen little interaction between us (or me and a large majority of players at this point...) From what I'm noticing: strong attention to detail, dedication to the game, and raising questions in the beginning so far during setup analysis. Thank you for starting the discussion over least to most expendable posters forcing us (but not all of us apparently) to analyze everyone and offer up talking points. Thank you for the unofficial vote count. I'm noticing an error in your memory regarding me though Albie - I never had my vote on greentoo as you mention in post #123 I had an RVS vote on BackwoodsBarbie and I took it off of her. The reason I didn't place my vote on anyone right after was a) my suspicions for Mafia (mainly greentoo) was close to lynching and I didn't want to place a vote on him b) I wanted to finish my overall analysis and c) I didn't want to appear hypocritical by placing a vote on another random vote with no reason since I haven't given my full thoughts since, as I said, every vote counts. THE most likely poster for town discussion at this point in time.
Libra - You've offered close analysis - offered a lot of setup analysis and questioned people and referenced previous posts quite a bit. Libra refer to the end of my Albie analysis as to why I haven't voted for anyone else (yet). I do like that you pointed out that greentoo would be trying harder if he is mafia and frankly I agree. But I don't have a strong scum lead on many so I'm looking at very useless players thus far in the game and those include Sam, greentoo, and Mylo at the moment. Very useful and strong town feel at this moment.Coco - The poster with the most posts at this moment - but the poster with the most quality? We'll see. Honestly read through all of your posts and I didn't notice too much other than general shade. But I did appreciate you calling out posters who need to post and backup their claims. I'm not expecting super in depth word walls from you, but I feel like right now you've been generally helpful in the sense of sparking some discussion and making sure everyone speaks their minds. The instigator - a poster who really calls out those who are laying low or not giving their full thoughts on something vague.Hopefully this analysis was helpful and in depth enough to give good points and analysis to back up my vote. Oh. Mylo just voted for green who was going to be my vote. So I will go with my back up at the moment until I'm sure. Vote: Sam
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Post by surfy on Jan 12, 2018 18:31:13 GMT -5
that took me 2 hours to put together holy fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 18:31:29 GMT -5
We have a decision to make between the two just not fully confident leaving green one vote from lynching . But I do think we have to lynch but let's hear from those who haven't voted.
Surf are you around?
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Post by surfy on Jan 12, 2018 18:32:35 GMT -5
We have a decision to make between the two just not fully confident leaving green one vote from lynching . But I do think we have to lynch but let's hear from those who haven't voted. Surf are you around? just posted! :)
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jan 12, 2018 18:32:53 GMT -5
Okay I have to go guys, I might be back in about two hours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 18:34:27 GMT -5
I see you boo that's a Cynthia word wall I will chew on that fat and return later.
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Post by Albie on Jan 12, 2018 19:24:07 GMT -5
So sam and Greentoo are at l2 while barbie is at l3 and i don't know that other players will be returning soon and I'm not sure what to do. I don't want no lynch but I'm also about to head to dinner which will likely take away until like 10 or 11 pm so I think I'll vote: greentoo [b/] and if I'm wrong then we'll deal tomorrow I guess. Sorry greentoo but you should have tried harder especially for your second game
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Post by greentoo on Jan 12, 2018 19:25:40 GMT -5
I literally don’t know what to say. I feel like everything I say is seen as suspicious or something, probably because of how short all my posts are and how they don’t add much to the game. I have ideas in my head that I understand but I just find it hard to put them across and if I do I feel like they’ll be wrong somehow. So I don’t know how to defend myself. Tbh I don’t mind if I’m bored out because I can see how I’m not really adding much to the game. I think I’ll join the mafia scum forum and practice on there so I can come back here after this game and be better.
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Post by Albie on Jan 12, 2018 19:28:57 GMT -5
I literally don’t know what to say. I feel like everything I say is seen as suspicious or something, probably because of how short all my posts are and how they don’t add much to the game. I have ideas in my head that I understand but I just find it hard to put them across and if I do I feel like they’ll be wrong somehow. So I don’t know how to defend myself. Tbh I don’t mind if I’m bored out because I can see how I’m not really adding much to the game. I think I’ll join the mafia scum forum and practice on there so I can come back here after this game and be better. no literally just put those thoughts on here and let us decide. Its better than nothing.
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Post by surfy on Jan 12, 2018 19:29:19 GMT -5
I literally don’t know what to say. I feel like everything I say is seen as suspicious or something, probably because of how short all my posts are and how they don’t add much to the game. I have ideas in my head that I understand but I just find it hard to put them across and if I do I feel like they’ll be wrong somehow. So I don’t know how to defend myself. Tbh I don’t mind if I’m bored out because I can see how I’m not really adding much to the game. I think I’ll join the mafia scum forum and practice on there so I can come back here after this game and be better. Please feel free to express those feelings now before it’s too late and if anything is lost in translation from your mind to the keyboard we will point it out and you can defend/explain better! The only thing I want from you is actual analysis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 19:56:04 GMT -5
It is now Day 1. Deadline has been set for 01/12/2018 at 11:59 PM EST
Day 1 Vote Count (004): It takes 5/9 Votes to lynch!
BackwoodsBarbie [3]: greentoo, Libra, Coco greentoo [4]: BackwoodsBarbie, Sam, Milo, Albie Milo [1]: Cynthia Sam [1]: Surf
Not Voting: (No One)
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jan 12, 2018 20:48:04 GMT -5
@antigonerising surfy you both are in the minority here, not voting for either person at L-2 or L-1. If you feel very strongly about keeping both, please state your reasons why, but if not we're very close to deadline and a no lynch is a guaranteed town killing and very unlikely chance of information going into day 2.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jan 12, 2018 20:48:52 GMT -5
Oh, and Libra and @pma2015, kind of
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Post by Libra on Jan 12, 2018 20:57:52 GMT -5
Some observations/points to consider as we move forward into Day 2: On four separate occasions - [1] [2] [3] [4] - Albie has acknowledged points that I've made as being helpful or else otherwise cited points that I've made as being a kind of motivator for taking given stances. He did cite me as being the least expendable to the game on Page 3 - see post [2] - but, referring to my points on four separate occasions over the course of Day 1? Hmmmmm.
Surf has yet to be on any real voting wagon at all. He's never voted for greentoo once, hasn't been on Barbie-wagon today, and didn't move to voting for Sam until Sam-wagon had more or less lost its steam.
Cynthia hasn't been on anyone's wagon yet either, though in her case it's because her vote has stuck to Myloninja like white on rice. Speaking of Cynthia though, I do notice something of a disconnect in her evaluations of Surf (and Albie, actually): [1] - Here, she says they seem townish but doesn't have a concrete answer as to why, just gut instinct based on their posting activity so far [2] - Here, she says he and Albie have made the most substantial analysis and noted they'd been openly engaging one another for their thoughts. I could be looking at the disconnect RE: Surf more because I happen to disagree with her assessment of him, but I'm not sure I follow what could have spurred such a quick turnaround there from her. There is also her lowkey mention of Barbie as one of her 3 biggest suspects for a minute in [2], even though...at the time she posted that, we really weren't circling around her yet.
Speaking of whom. Libra - I don't think how I feel about him suggesting people to use breadcrumbing - if something goes wrong with this technique scums will much easier find who the town power roles are but then again I've never heard of breadcrumbing before and if this technique is actually proven to be beneficial to town then is probably a good idea. I think I'm flattered by her attributing the suggestion to use breadcrumbing to me? But in truth, while I did suggest making use of it, I wasn't the first to do so. Cynthia, on Page 1, made mention of breadcrumbing as an "in case of death" move. (She was more specific in that she said the Tracker should be doing so, but still.) She also, by the way, talked about it more on Page 3. Well i'm not only having two votes on me I'm having a vote from Grentoo and the vote from you. So to explain this - I played mafia once before and I semi-watched the polar express one and in both of this two games the webinator was the one leading the game. He is skiled and expirienced player just like you so it's not hard to see the similarites between him and you. So if you look back at polar expres game and you pay a close attention on what happend to the player who the webinator vote for (it was will) - there were 5 or 6 more people voting form him till the end of day one and they lynched him even though he was vanilla town. Then you can go back to the first game and see how was I lynched then (i was mafia then but they had nothing one me). So the webinator voted for me (he was first or second) with no big reasoning behind his vote and when I woke up (because I live in Europe and I sleep when most of you are active) I was lynched. I'm saying this because there are players who tend to follow the leader and the fact that I'm having your vote on me is strong enough reason for them to vote for me too without giving any additional explanation. This is actually a good point. Pied Piper types accidentally leading the Town to death is a pitfall that can happen with too much focus on what active/accepted "Town" players are saying. Fact is, we're not infallible - Polar Express is a good example; I was following that one by the time that ended and I saw how Web led Town off the cliff by virtue of his Sam-read being wrong. I don't think that Barbie making this point necessarily exonerates her or further proves scum at all - I don't see this as a scummy point to make either way, and if she is scum, it isn't exactly a strange move to make points that are still beneficial for Town. Hell, any scum worth their salt is going to make Town-beneficial points in order to blend in.
I don't think any of these things in isolation point to the people in question being Town or scum all by themselves. I do think that these are things that warrant consideration when building a Town- or scum-case for the respective people, however.
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Post by Libra on Jan 12, 2018 21:19:28 GMT -5
Oh, and Libra and @pma2015, kind of I maintain that Barbie strikes me as more suspicious than does greentoo.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jan 12, 2018 21:22:13 GMT -5
If none of the four players currently not voting greentoo (Not including greentoo) honestly don't feel like lynching greentoo, I will throw a vote towards BackwoodsBarbie, but I'd rather Green, Sam and maybe even Coco or Cynthia over them. Although, like I mentioned, all but Sam and green give me town leans.
The only players I would genuinely defend against are Libra and Albie.
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Post by Albie on Jan 12, 2018 22:19:39 GMT -5
Wait though ok so no....Libra, Coco, surf, Cynthia we can't have No Lynch.
I think I'd be willing to vote for Barbie but with Greentoo being at L1 I'd rather hear why not him I guess?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 22:22:29 GMT -5
Sooooo I told a big ass whopping lie when I said in my last post that I'd be back "later tonight". Over 24 hours later... I really like Surf's analysis post on page 5; it's thorough and covers his thoughts on every player in the game (I think the only person he was short on was me and that really speaks more to my spotty presence thus far). My own post right now is admittedly lighter on super close analysis than I'd like it to be, but for future reference to self Surf's is a 'model' post. The town vibe from him is very strong right now so I hope I'm right! Albie has also been pretty specific about his thoughts thus far. IMO he has put in the most consistent D1 effort of any player here, as well as being the quickest to prod others for similar effort. I still have a pretty decent town feeling about Coco, but the bulk of her analysis didn't come in until this final day and what she has given is still a bit thin. Libra has had sort of 'uneven' analysis, IMO, but to a lesser degree than mylo (see below). I think his posts have been weightier on some players than on others, but this could be due to an unwitting tendency to tunnel on whatever suspicion is raising the most flags to him at the moment. Overall his participation is steady. I was feeling null about him earlier but I think I'll inch him over to having a slight town vibe for now. I'm conflicted about greentoo b/c honestly, I think his near-lynch has come far too easily for him to be scum. He's actually my strongest town read thus far solely because of that. OTOH, he's also proven to be extremely unhelpful as a town person. I think he is allowing language barriers and his own insecurities about his usefulness as a player deter him from giving a good-faith effort. If we are not any nearer to a better lynch then so it goes - no-lynch is simply not a viable option on D1 - but I have a feeling he is town. I typed up something about Barbie and then legit had to take an extra ten minutes to recall who the remaining player was. That's not a really great look for Sam lol. He's talked but I really don't recall anything of particular note, though I am trying not to hold it against him just yet, as this was also the case with him the last time. He may be someone who needs another day to 'warm up' and have something to observe; we'll see. For now I give him a null/slight-scum read. mylo has given a few long posts, but the content in those posts has been very uneven, I think. His analysis has been really deep on certain players and then thin on others. He seems to care more about being witty than being thorough. Moderate scum vibes from him. Barbie is almost undoubtedly bringing up the rear in terms of both participation and content. Was it Libra who first pointed out how quickly she reacted to even just a little bit of vote pressure? However, she wouldn't be the first town player to overreact to a vote. Moderate scum read that could change to town if we could get more action from her on D2. The strongest argument for her being town would be that she might be a lot like greentoo, a new (compared to others) player who still hasn't quite gotten the hang of things and doesn't know how to make her presence known yet. Not sure why I just said that as it feels like I'm essentially talking myself out of a vote switch lol. Libra to briefly answer your question about my Barbie statements, when I made those particular posts it was after reading through the thread quickly and stating what I thought was the overall tone of the thread, but I failed to factor in the actual votes then. I somewhat corrected myself right after because at the time Sam had more votes on him and I didn't realize it. As for surf and albie, I don't feel that my opinions there were a 'turnaround'; rather, it was one quick post that had very little meat in it, followed by a later post offering actual reasons for finding them townish so far. Unfortunately that may be a continued pattern for me as my posting availability is touch and go, but I'll do my best to follow up a lean post with a more substantive one whenever possible.
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