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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 20, 2018 20:40:41 GMT -5
I know Diana Ross' compilation was released digitally, or was set to be, back in November. Even if this was the physical release, it's not likely it would sell what it did in a first week without some kind of promo. Was there an album/ticket promotion?
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Post by ddlz on Jan 20, 2018 21:12:25 GMT -5
5 4 POST MALONE STONEY REPUBLIC 33,353 -5% 6 5 TAYLOR SWIFT REPUTATION BIG MACHINE/BMLG 33,044 -6% Post Malone is an "it" artist right now who has one of the biggest songs in the country and whose album has sold a fraction of Reputation. Are we really surprised, particularly when streaming is king ( the success of "Rockstar" is the only reason he ranks above her)? People expect Taylor's album to sell like her last even when her singles clearly haven't matched anywhere close to 1989 to foster such sales. lol Rockstar is not on Stoney.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 20, 2018 21:22:54 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jan 21, 2018 0:41:38 GMT -5
Post Malone is an "it" artist right now who has one of the biggest songs in the country and whose album has sold a fraction of Reputation. Are we really surprised, particularly when streaming is king ( the success of "Rockstar" is the only reason he ranks above her)? People expect Taylor's album to sell like her last even when her singles clearly haven't matched anywhere close to 1989 to foster such sales. lol Rockstar is not on Stoney. My mistake. "I Fall Apart" and "Congratulations" are and the success of those two singles via streaming is what places him above her. My point being is the only thing placing him above her is streaming through his hit singles. Doesn't speak to his album success so much as to his single success and no one should find this ranking surprising given Taylor's singles this era haven't been hugely successful.
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Post by divasummer on Jan 21, 2018 7:21:27 GMT -5
Was Diana's album on sale at retailers or have a ticket bundle? I would of thought if this album was going to see numbers like this it would have been after her AMA's performance. I don't believe she's had a solo project sell this much in awhile. At least not equivalent/sales adjusted sales. Her last new project sold a little over 21,000 in it's first week. Go Diana!!
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 21, 2018 10:14:53 GMT -5
Rockstar is not on Stoney. My mistake. "I Fall Apart" and "Congratulations" are and the success of those two singles via streaming is what places him above her. My point being is the only thing placing him above her is streaming through his hit singles. Doesn't speak to his album success so much as to his single success and no one should find this ranking surprising given Taylor's singles this era haven't been hugely successful. I agree. The change that was made to the BB 200 favored the albums that have songs that get streamed and to a lesser extent, are bought, especially hit singles. Without that, albums such as Stoney, The Beautiful & Damned, DAMN., 24k Magic and Life of a Dark Rose wouldn't be in the top 10. That said, reputation has done decently in spite of not having hits past Look What You Made Me Do. This week it did manage to get almost double album equivalents from tracks from streaming and song sales compared to pure album sales.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 21, 2018 12:04:27 GMT -5
hot100fan- the club chart doesn't usually impact sales like that, so not sure. :)
It does look like the physical album was released Jan. 12. In any event, nice showing, if it indeed ends up a top 10 seller on the Nielsen Music chart.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 21, 2018 14:06:57 GMT -5
^I'm aware of that dance club songs usually have minor if any impact on album sales. But that's the first time I heard that Diana was releasing an album. Then I was surprised to see it among the best sellers according to HDD. So, I naturally connected both articles together. It's more probably she got #1 in Dance Club Songs because of the album's release than the other way around, I think.
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Post by brady47 on Jan 21, 2018 14:14:53 GMT -5
My mistake. "I Fall Apart" and "Congratulations" are and the success of those two singles via streaming is what places him above her. My point being is the only thing placing him above her is streaming through his hit singles. Doesn't speak to his album success so much as to his single success and no one should find this ranking surprising given Taylor's singles this era haven't been hugely successful. I agree. The change that was made to the BB 200 favored the albums that have songs that get streamed and to a lesser extent, are bought, especially hit singles. Without that, albums such as Stoney, The Beautiful & Damned, DAMN., 24k Magic and Life of a Dark Rose wouldn't be in the top 10. That said, reputation has done decently in spite of not having hits past Look What You Made Me Do. This week it did manage to get almost double album equivalents from tracks from streaming and song sales compared to pure album sales. Yes. It's kinda weird to me how albums like "Lil Uzi Vert" is #11 on the Billboard 200, but not even Top 100 in sales, while Beyonce's "Lemonade" is still top 50 in sales, and no where on the Billboard 200.
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 21, 2018 14:16:38 GMT -5
It's called Luv Is Rage 2 though, but nice try.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jan 21, 2018 15:43:56 GMT -5
Was Diana's album on sale at retailers or have a ticket bundle? I would of thought if this album was going to see numbers like this it would have been after her AMA's performance. I don't believe she's had a solo project sell this much in awhile. At least not equivalent/sales adjusted sales. Her last new project sold a little over 21,000 in it's first week. Go Diana!! That's quite bizarre. It did nothing after AMA's so I wonder what's up. She did get publicity for her Hawaii concert last week. What's stranger is that it's a very weak overview of her amazing career. There's probably 6-8 collections that are better superior - and some are budget priced. It's still good to see her name on the charts again.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 21, 2018 16:09:00 GMT -5
^The description I read was that Diana herself picked the songs and sequenced them the way she wanted.
It was released digitally in November.
It's sold out on HSN! lol
This must be the cd release.
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Post by brady47 on Jan 21, 2018 21:21:31 GMT -5
It's called Luv Is Rage 2 though, but nice try. LOL at this subtle attempt at shade
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 22, 2018 2:53:04 GMT -5
The key is, though, that Lemonade has very limited availability on streaming. If it was on Spotify and Apple Music it'd be top 40 easily.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Jan 22, 2018 3:26:04 GMT -5
A new set of remixes were commissioned for "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" late last year to help promote the new collection. One of the versions by Eric Kupper is on the album. I think the album saw a boost because it's being sold for $7.99 on iTunes right now (IDK if it was always that price but I see it's $9.49 on AmazonMP3). Maybe it was even less during the week and word got out. The CD is being sold for $9.99 to $11.99 at most stores. I did a little digging for tour ticket bundles with the album and saw nothing for this one through several outlets. What's stranger is that it's a very weak overview of her amazing career. There's probably 6-8 collections that are better superior - and some are budget priced. The European release Love & Life: The Very Best of Diana Ross is a 2 disc one with 41 songs. It's her most complete one. And that's only $11.99 on Amazon. It includes all the hit single versions and a couple of very rare remixes that were previously promo only.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 22, 2018 8:27:07 GMT -5
^Yeah, having a sale can definitely encourage buyers. That's something that usually gets overlooked and I usually only find about in the Billboard 200 Chart Moves or its top 10 articles.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jan 22, 2018 10:57:40 GMT -5
I loathe the way present single streaming numbers affect Billboard 200 placement. I think the industry is obviously trying to save the face of a dying medium (physical sales) as 1.5 million on an SPS chart looks better than 200k on a physical sales chart, but they need to recalibrate the way the streaming component is tabulated. I mean, these huge streaming bumps on albums are nice to look at, but in theory don't hold much credibility. I mean, the bulk of these album bumps come from people simply streaming the hit singles without ever even giving thought to the album.
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Post by deepston on Jan 22, 2018 11:03:37 GMT -5
I loathe the way present single streaming numbers affect Billboard 200 placement. I think the industry is obviously trying to save the face of a dying medium (physical sales) as 1.5 million on an SPS chart looks better than 200k on a physical sales chart, but they need to recalibrate the way the streaming component is tabulated. I mean, these huge streaming bumps on albums are nice to look at, but in theory don't hold much credibility. I mean, the bulk of these album bumps come from people simply streaming the hit singles without ever even giving thought to the album. Billboard 200 tracks the most popular albums. If a hit single on the album is popular, that makes the album popular. Streaming is fine.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jan 22, 2018 11:32:39 GMT -5
I loathe the way present single streaming numbers affect Billboard 200 placement. I think the industry is obviously trying to save the face of a dying medium (physical sales) as 1.5 million on an SPS chart looks better than 200k on a physical sales chart, but they need to recalibrate the way the streaming component is tabulated. I mean, these huge streaming bumps on albums are nice to look at, but in theory don't hold much credibility. I mean, the bulk of these album bumps come from people simply streaming the hit singles without ever even giving thought to the album. Billboard 200 tracks the most popular albums. If a hit single on the album is popular, that makes the album popular. Streaming is fine. 1.) I never said streaming itself was a problem. 2.) Meh, we'll agree to disagree. An artist could release an album that sells 70,000 copies in total and produce a couple #1 mega smashes that ridiculously pad its total. Is it the album as a collective that is popular or the singles? I'd say it's the singles. If a hit song means an album is automatically popular, well then, "singles vs albums artists" would never be a thing and the Billboard 200 could just be merged with the Hot 100. I think in the future at some point artists will just start releasing stand-alone singles and albums will be done away with altogether anyway. That makes much more sense with the way things are.
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Post by tinawina on Jan 22, 2018 12:03:56 GMT -5
I agree with Avabrooke on that front. There should be some way to dilineate between the popularity of a hit song and the popularity of a body of work as a whole.
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Post by brady47 on Jan 22, 2018 18:28:50 GMT -5
I loathe the way present single streaming numbers affect Billboard 200 placement. I think the industry is obviously trying to save the face of a dying medium (physical sales) as 1.5 million on an SPS chart looks better than 200k on a physical sales chart, but they need to recalibrate the way the streaming component is tabulated. I mean, these huge streaming bumps on albums are nice to look at, but in theory don't hold much credibility. I mean, the bulk of these album bumps come from people simply streaming the hit singles without ever even giving thought to the album. Billboard 200 tracks the most popular albums. If a hit single on the album is popular, that makes the album popular. Streaming is fine. Yeah, like Flo Rida's "Low" being the number one digital song of the decade with 7 million in sales, but his album struggled to go gold. His album wasn't popular but his song was ubiquitous.
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Post by Keelzit on Jan 22, 2018 18:52:16 GMT -5
Billboard 200 has always been about the most 'popular' album. Up until 2015 popularity was based on sales but ever since then, Billboard decided that streams and individual song downloads should also indicate an album's popularity even if that is happening in an indirect way since many of people who stream/buy certain songs might not even know or care about the parent album, as opposed to those who actually buy it since they have it in complete form literally on their hands. That's why Top Albums Sales also exists though. Both sides of the argument have valid points so whatever side one might be on, there's a corresponding chart to look at and deem as their own personal 'official'.
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