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Post by ry4n on Mar 13, 2018 15:37:45 GMT -5
WW, it's impossible to get these #'s from the US without asking Spotify. There are several bigger or as big hits than the biggest #1 of the 90s though... Wonderwall is one, and there are Creep by Radiohead (239m), Smells Like Teen Spirit (362m), Losing My Religion (211m), Under the Bridge (297m), Californication (299m) etc Don't forget All I Want For Christmas Is You (320m)
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Post by 85la on Mar 13, 2018 20:15:38 GMT -5
Very interesting lists. Sweet Child 'O Mine and Africa at Nos. 1 and 3 for the 80s seem somewhat random though. It's interesting to see how the artists with many #1's during these periods rank, for example Janet Jackson's songs seem especially low, I guess she's the type of artist who produced many hits in her day without too many standout classics over time. Madonna also seems somewhat low, especially in the 80s compared to Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson in the 70s and 80s, both as a soloist and with the Jackson 5. You have to wonder if their premature deaths have to do with their higher play counts and whether that artificially boosts their prominence and makes it seem like they were bigger legends than they actually were when they were alive.
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Post by lazer on Mar 13, 2018 23:04:40 GMT -5
Very interesting lists. Sweet Child 'O Mine and Africa at Nos. 1 and 3 for the 80s seem somewhat random though. It's interesting to see how the artists with many #1's during these periods rank, for example Janet Jackson's songs seem especially low, I guess she's the type of artist who produced many hits in her day without too many standout classics over time. Madonna also seems somewhat low, especially in the 80s compared to Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson in the 70s and 80s, both as a soloist and with the Jackson 5. You have to wonder if their premature deaths have to do with their higher play counts and whether that artificially boosts their prominence and makes it seem like they were bigger legends than they actually were when they were alive. I guess Janet's most recognizable songs are That's The Way Love Goes, Together Again, and All For You
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Post by 85la on Mar 14, 2018 0:06:36 GMT -5
^ I would also say When I think of You and probably a couple from Rhythm Nation, like Miss You Much and Escapade.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 14, 2018 2:05:27 GMT -5
WW, it's impossible to get these #'s from the US without asking Spotify. There are several bigger or as big hits than the biggest #1 of the 90s though... Wonderwall is one, and there are Creep by Radiohead (239m), Smells Like Teen Spirit (362m), Losing My Religion (211m), Under the Bridge (297m), Californication (299m) etc That also likely explains "Wannabe" being number one for the 90s. I don't doubt it would rank high purely from US streams but it was much bigger globally than most other US number ones of the decade. I would imagine the UK totals add a significant chunk. Not just UK, but Germany, Mexico, France, Spain etc Mr. Brightside has over 430m too, that's the 00s I know but still it's bigger than most of the #1 hits of the decade
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Post by renaboss on Mar 14, 2018 7:29:32 GMT -5
It's also disappointing to see Mariah doesn't rank particularly high in the 90s, despite having the most #1's. I already knew her songs didn't do that well overtime, aside from the Christmas one, but still. Oh, and that they were way bigger in the U.S. than in the rest of the world. The problem with that also is, if an artist has way too many hits, the fans' attention will be divided between said hits. I think it's easier somehow for a one-hit wonder to get more streams for their respective hit.
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Post by Gary on Mar 14, 2018 8:41:39 GMT -5
The streaming crowd is a specific demographic, younger and leaning towards hip-hop and then rock, Mariah is neither
Aside from the Christmas song, Mariah has not had any big hits is a decade
If I ask my kids today what songs from Mariah Carey they know, they will come up with the Christmas song but not too much else
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Post by renfield75 on Mar 14, 2018 9:02:34 GMT -5
Very interesting lists. Sweet Child 'O Mine and Africa at Nos. 1 and 3 for the 80s seem somewhat random though. It's interesting to see how the artists with many #1's during these periods rank, for example Janet Jackson's songs seem especially low, I guess she's the type of artist who produced many hits in her day without too many standout classics over time. Madonna also seems somewhat low, especially in the 80s compared to Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson in the 70s and 80s, both as a soloist and with the Jackson 5. You have to wonder if their premature deaths have to do with their higher play counts and whether that artificially boosts their prominence and makes it seem like they were bigger legends than they actually were when they were alive. Their deaths may have added some to their totals but you can't overstate how big they were, especially Michael, in their lifetimes. When MJ dropped the first video from a new album it was a national event on the level of the SuperBowl. To diminish how huge they were and chalk up to "they died young" is some inaccurate revisionist history. Imagine if Taylor Swift or Adele died at 50 and someone said that made them look bigger than they actually were in their day. No. Michael and Whitney were massive in life and have continued to be so in death.
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Post by Gary on Mar 14, 2018 9:06:31 GMT -5
Exactly -- Especially with Michael Jackson, "he seems like a bigger legend" because he was
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Mar 14, 2018 9:59:23 GMT -5
The streaming crowd is a specific demographic, younger and leaning towards hip-hop and then rock, Mariah is neither Aside from the Christmas song, Mariah has not had any big hits is a decade If I ask my kids today what songs from Mariah Carey they know, they will come up with the Christmas song but not too much elseYeah, agree with you, but that's why they are called signature hits. Exceptions are The Beatles, Madonna, Michael Jackson..with 5-6 classic songs that everyone knows and that everyone will know in 15-20 years.
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Post by Gary on Mar 14, 2018 10:11:29 GMT -5
OK whatever, most of Mariah's songs are what your Mom & Dad listened too. Mom and Dad are likely not streaming much. Aside from Christmas season, Mariah has not had any significant exposure in a while.
Christmas hits only get streamed at Christmas so, the numbers will be down a bit from this list.
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Post by lazer on Mar 14, 2018 11:24:51 GMT -5
It's also disappointing to see Mariah doesn't rank particularly high in the 90s, despite having the most #1's. I already knew her songs didn't do that well overtime, aside from the Christmas one, but still. Oh, and that they were way bigger in the U.S. than in the rest of the world. The problem with that also is, if an artist has way too many hits, the fans' attention will be divided between said hits. I think it's easier somehow for a one-hit wonder to get more streams for their respective hit. I still see people remembering her songs like Always Be My Baby, Emotion, and We Belong Together
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Post by Gary on Mar 14, 2018 11:26:59 GMT -5
It's also disappointing to see Mariah doesn't rank particularly high in the 90s, despite having the most #1's. I already knew her songs didn't do that well overtime, aside from the Christmas one, but still. Oh, and that they were way bigger in the U.S. than in the rest of the world. The problem with that also is, if an artist has way too many hits, the fans' attention will be divided between said hits. I think it's easier somehow for a one-hit wonder to get more streams for their respective hit. I still see people remembering her songs like Always Be My Baby, Emotion, and We Belong Together Yes of course...those people would be older and not the ones streaming quite as much. The 75 million a week listening to "God's Plan" probably less likely to pull up a Mariah song
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Post by Unhinged on Mar 14, 2018 12:40:13 GMT -5
Love seeing MJ's name on that 80's list so much. Took me a while to realise this is just No. 1 hits cause I was wondering where "Thriller", "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" and "Smooth Criminal" were...surely those have high numbers as well.
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Post by 85la on Mar 14, 2018 13:04:13 GMT -5
Very interesting lists. Sweet Child 'O Mine and Africa at Nos. 1 and 3 for the 80s seem somewhat random though. It's interesting to see how the artists with many #1's during these periods rank, for example Janet Jackson's songs seem especially low, I guess she's the type of artist who produced many hits in her day without too many standout classics over time. Madonna also seems somewhat low, especially in the 80s compared to Whitney Houston and Michael Jackson in the 70s and 80s, both as a soloist and with the Jackson 5. You have to wonder if their premature deaths have to do with their higher play counts and whether that artificially boosts their prominence and makes it seem like they were bigger legends than they actually were when they were alive. Their deaths may have added some to their totals but you can't overstate how big they were, especially Michael, in their lifetimes. When MJ dropped the first video from a new album it was a national event on the level of the SuperBowl. To diminish how huge they were and chalk up to "they died young" is some inaccurate revisionist history. Imagine if Taylor Swift or Adele died at 50 and someone said that made them look bigger than they actually were in their day. No. Michael and Whitney were massive in life and have continued to be so in death. Yeah, I don't disagree with what you're saying, I wasn't saying that the bulk of their fame is attributable to their early deaths, but I do strongly believe that it made them larger. Especially comparing Michael and Madonna, both of whose careers, when they were the most successful, coincided roughly during the same time, during the 80s and 90s and who have had, overall, roughly equal chart success (Madonna actually placing higher on the all time Hot 100 rankings) and nearly equal critical acclaim. Michael's death pre-dated the streaming era, so there aren't a lot of apples to apples numbers to make comparisons, but I do remember clearly that after he died his catalog sales and re-current rankings skyrocketed and have remained at levels I don't remember witnessing than from before his death, and the differences between him and Madonna are very large. It might have to do with other things of course, such as him being a male (males seem to have slightly higher streaming #s anyway), and the fact that his music isn't as pure pop as Madonna, containing some R&B and even hip-hop and rock elements. This isn't an unusual thing and goes beyond music as well. Some of the biggest celebrities have had premature deaths, from Marilyn Monroe to Elvis to James Dean, Kurt Cobain, even someone like Princess Diana, and it did seem to boost their legendary status. There does seem to be this romantic sympathy that gets attached to stars with early deaths and has been part of the American narrative for a long time.
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Post by iHype. on Mar 14, 2018 13:36:51 GMT -5
The streaming crowd is a specific demographic, younger and leaning towards hip-hop and then rock, Mariah is neither Aside from the Christmas song, Mariah has not had any big hits is a decade If I ask my kids today what songs from Mariah Carey they know, they will come up with the Christmas song but not too much else Mariah and Janet's old hits didn't exactly have great digital sales either. And their old albums don't have great recurrent sales either. I don't think streaming is being 'more bias' towards their recurrent music, than digital sales and album sales were. They just don't have a #1 that truly held up as well as say I Will Always Love You or My Heart Will Go On. It's a fact. It is worth nothing though that Mariah's most recurrent #1 is We Belong Together. It's at 99 million streams on Spotify. I think Mariah actually has fine streams for her #1s.
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Post by Gary on Mar 14, 2018 13:40:21 GMT -5
Correct.....
Was just responding to the "Mariah with the 18#1's is not ranked high " comments and I put it in the context of streaming but that applies to other things as well
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Post by renfield75 on Mar 14, 2018 13:45:59 GMT -5
All of that is definitely true, but most of those people you named died much younger than MJ and were in their career prime (even Elvis was only 42 and still having contemporary hits in 1977). Death adds that "what might have been" element to their legend. Michael was 50 and his legend had been cemented by the time of his death. Even if he were still alive I bet "Billie Jean" would still be extremely high on that list...there's a reason Thriller is the biggest selling album of all time and it didn't just attain that title after 2009. Saying MJ and Whitney, or Prince and Bowie, received bumps from their death is 100% accurate. Saying it "makes it seem like they were bigger legends than they actually were" is not accurate. They were all massive, enduring legends before their deaths. That's WHY their passing had such huge impact.
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Post by iHype. on Mar 14, 2018 13:47:18 GMT -5
It's also disappointing to see Mariah doesn't rank particularly high in the 90s, despite having the most #1's. I already knew her songs didn't do that well overtime, aside from the Christmas one, but still. Oh, and that they were way bigger in the U.S. than in the rest of the world. The problem with that also is, if an artist has way too many hits, the fans' attention will be divided between said hits. I think it's easier somehow for a one-hit wonder to get more streams for their respective hit. This argument could actually go both ways. Names like MJ, Madonna, Mariah, etc are so huge overtime and naturally have millions of fans that even their most forgotten #1's can still get decent streams. Can you imagine if This Used to Be My Playground, Thank God I Found You, You Are Not Alone, and more of their most forgotten #1's went #1 by a one-hit wonder? They'd have even 10x more terrible recurrent activity because there is no fanbase to support them through the years once they become completely forgotten to public.
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Post by renfield75 on Mar 14, 2018 13:49:18 GMT -5
It's also disappointing to see Mariah doesn't rank particularly high in the 90s, despite having the most #1's. I already knew her songs didn't do that well overtime, aside from the Christmas one, but still. Oh, and that they were way bigger in the U.S. than in the rest of the world. The problem with that also is, if an artist has way too many hits, the fans' attention will be divided between said hits. I think it's easier somehow for a one-hit wonder to get more streams for their respective hit. This argument could actually go both ways. Names like MJ, Madonna, Mariah, etc are so huge overtime and naturally have millions of fans that even their most forgotten #1's can still get decent streams. Can you imagine if This Used to Be My Playground, Thank God I Found You, and etc went #1 by a one-hit wonder? They'd have even 10x more terrible recurrent activity because there is no fanbase to support them through the years once they become completely forgotten to public. Yeah if those songs were by artists with fewer hits they would probably have numbers similar to "She Ain't Worth It" and "If Wishes Came True".
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Post by renaboss on Mar 14, 2018 14:09:20 GMT -5
Is "You Are Not Alone" a forgotten hit? I can guarantee people in general know that song here in Portugal.
It's a head-scratcher for me that "She Ain't Worth It" was a #1 hit when the song I and people in general know from Glenn Medeiros is "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You". #1 in the UK, #12 in the US, but that happens a lot, lots of songs known on a European scale didn't make it that big in the US.
The vice-versa also happens, of course. I always think of Rod Stewart, who had big UK hits with "Sailing", "I Don't Want to Talk About It" and "Baby Jane", which weren't that big in the US, but he scored US top 10 hits with the likes of "You're in My Heart", "Infatuation" or "My Heart Can't Tell You No", songs I'd never heard before I got into the Billboard chart's history. Then there's the case of Queen and ABBA, huge in Europe (HUGE!), moderate in the US.
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Post by renaboss on Mar 14, 2018 14:15:53 GMT -5
56 ONE SWEET DAY (by Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men) 36.578 1995 57 IF YOU HAD MY LOVE (by Jennifer Lopez) 36.224 1999 very interesting! Lol I was legit gonna ask why, then it hit me. xD
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Post by iHype. on Mar 14, 2018 14:20:32 GMT -5
Is "You Are Not Alone" a forgotten hit? I can guarantee people in general know that song here in Portugal. It's a head-scratcher for me that "She Ain't Worth It" was a #1 hit when the song I and people in general know from Glenn Medeiros is "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You". #1 in the UK, #12 in the US, but that happens a lot, lots of songs known on a European scale didn't make it that big in the US. The vice-versa also happens, of course. I always think of Rod Stewart, who had big UK hits with "Sailing", "I Don't Want to Talk About It" and "Baby Jane", which weren't that big in the US, but he scored US top 10 hits with the likes of "You're in My Heart", "Infatuation" or "My Heart Can't Tell You No", songs I'd never heard before I got into the Billboard chart's history. Then there's the case of Queen and ABBA, huge in Europe (HUGE!), moderate in the US. Well its definitely not one of his biggest #1s at all. Thriller/Bad #1's are more remembered, and so is Black and White. You Are Not Alone also had a very moderate run at #1 (despite debuting #1). I think the average person familiar with many of MJ's hits would name 10-15 hits before YANA was named. Another case of if a much less popular singer went #1 with it, it'd be very much forgotten.
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Post by renaboss on Mar 14, 2018 14:58:36 GMT -5
Is there a link where we can see the streams for whichever song we desire?
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Post by iHype. on Mar 14, 2018 15:03:38 GMT -5
Is there a link where we can see the streams for whichever song we desire? No, you have to have Spotify. You can only see streams on an artist's page/album's page, which you have to be logged in for. I can tell you any songs though!
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Post by jebsib on Mar 14, 2018 15:22:52 GMT -5
"She Ain't Worth It" had Bobby Brown on it 1 year after the "Don't Be Cruel" tsunami; It was bound to be #1.
3 years earlier, when Glenn's "Nothing" came out, he was seen as a newcomer teen act when no teen singers were doing well in the U.S. (pre Tiffany, Debbie & New Kids). The song took FOREVER to climb the charts domestically, but by the time it did hit #12, it was presented to the UK as a "Big American Hit" and thus broke through into Europe.
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Post by renfield75 on Mar 14, 2018 15:28:18 GMT -5
It's a head-scratcher for me that "She Ain't Worth It" was a #1 hit when the song I and people in general know from Glenn Medeiros is "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You". #1 in the UK, #12 in the US, but that happens a lot, lots of songs known on a European scale didn't make it that big in the US. The vice-versa also happens, of course. I always think of Rod Stewart, who had big UK hits with "Sailing", "I Don't Want to Talk About It" and "Baby Jane", which weren't that big in the US, but he scored US top 10 hits with the likes of "You're in My Heart", "Infatuation" or "My Heart Can't Tell You No", songs I'd never heard before I got into the Billboard chart's history. Then there's the case of Queen and ABBA, huge in Europe (HUGE!), moderate in the US. "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You" is also much better remembered in the US than "She Ain't Worth It", despite the weekly chart differences. Glenn Medeiros built up some public goodwill with "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You" and that spilled over to the chart run of "She Ain't Worth It". It didn't hurt that he featured Bobby Brown on the song, the year after Bobby's epic run of singles from 'Don't Be Cruel'. It's too bad "She Ain't Worth It" is so forgotten now; I always thought it was a super-catchy pop tune with top notch production! EDIT: ha ha jebsib we were posting this at the same time!
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Post by Gary on Mar 14, 2018 15:31:05 GMT -5
"She Ain't Worth It" had Bobby Brown on it 1 year after the "Don't Be Cruel" tsunami; It was bound to be #1. 3 years earlier, when Glenn's "Nothing" came out, he was seen as a newcomer teen act when no teen singers were doing well in the U.S. (pre Tiffany, Debbie & New Kids). The song took FOREVER to climb the charts domestically, but by the time it did hit #12, it was presented to the UK as a "Big American Hit" and thus broke through into Europe. Speaking of Bobby Brown - New Edition was an example of a teen act in the 80s - pre Tiffany, etc.
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Post by iHype. on Mar 14, 2018 16:17:01 GMT -5
It's a head-scratcher for me that "She Ain't Worth It" was a #1 hit when the song I and people in general know from Glenn Medeiros is "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You". #1 in the UK, #12 in the US, but that happens a lot, lots of songs known on a European scale didn't make it that big in the US. The vice-versa also happens, of course. I always think of Rod Stewart, who had big UK hits with "Sailing", "I Don't Want to Talk About It" and "Baby Jane", which weren't that big in the US, but he scored US top 10 hits with the likes of "You're in My Heart", "Infatuation" or "My Heart Can't Tell You No", songs I'd never heard before I got into the Billboard chart's history. Then there's the case of Queen and ABBA, huge in Europe (HUGE!), moderate in the US. "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You" is also much better remembered in the US than "She Ain't Worth It", despite the weekly chart differences. Glenn Medeiros built up some public goodwill with "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You" and that spilled over to the chart run of "She Ain't Worth It". It didn't hurt that he featured Bobby Brown on the song, the year after Bobby's epic run of singles from 'Don't Be Cruel'. It's too bad "She Ain't Worth It" is so forgotten now; I always thought it was a super-catchy pop tune with top notch production! EDIT: ha ha jebsib we were posting this at the same time! She Ain't Worth It is only his sixth most overall streamed song on Spotify despite reaching #1. Similar situation with If Wishes Came True -- despite being their only #1 (and ONLY Top 10) its their third most streamed song. Cases like this where much smaller chart hits at the time are more remembered tend to make me think the label manipulation got to a very strong point in 1989-1991. Almost all the lowest streamed #1s of the 80s/90s are from that period. And that was the fastest turnover on Hot 100 -- new #1's almost every week. I wasn't even alive then so I will never be a good testament, but it seems like a #1 like If Wishes Came True didn't even feel that big then. Judging by how absolutely completely forgotten it has become. Would it have even gone top 10 if Nielsen data had been incorporated prior to its release
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Post by renaboss on Mar 14, 2018 16:28:07 GMT -5
I'm fascinated to learn all these facts. :) This truly is one of the best threads we've had in the forum. xD
Ha, Glenn's second most streamed song is the Spanish version of "Nothing's...".
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