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Post by fearlessarrow on Sept 26, 2018 18:35:11 GMT -5
I love this song and it was a standout from the album for me along with "Get Over Yourself", but I'm not quite onboard with people saying it'll smash. Don't get me wrong, I want this to smash, but I feel like it's too out there for country radio with its poppiness and might be too polarizing to get this song into the top 5/top 10 region of the chart.
I wonder if they'll try crossing over to at least HAC with this one, but the song will have to get its footing solid on country radio before doing that.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Sept 26, 2018 18:41:45 GMT -5
No offense towards her fanbase, but even as a first single, I don't see Lauren Alaina as a worry for adds week at all. She's had one hit (over a year ago) and big a feature no one relates her to.
Still proud of her team for not milking IHLS for the next six months for a top 15 peak.
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 26, 2018 18:47:15 GMT -5
I don't think Lauren Alaina will be a worry but I imagine both women will pull in a lot of adds since it is a 3rd Kelsea Ballerini single and a lead Lauren Alaina single (Radio adores Lauren Alaina). Both should have solid add date.
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Post by darko on Sept 26, 2018 19:05:47 GMT -5
I’d be surprised if Lauren doesn’t pull in more adds for the reasons stated by Ray. I wasn’t saying KB needed to be afraid of Lauren just pointing out how important perceptions are to success. Hope they both pull in the adds and move up the charts.
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Post by matty005 on Sept 26, 2018 19:45:04 GMT -5
I don't think Lauren Alaina will be a worry but I imagine both women will pull in a lot of adds since it is a 3rd Kelsea Ballerini single and a lead Lauren Alaina single (Radio adores Lauren Alaina). Both should have solid add date. I don’t want to start anything with you Ray, but what makes you say radio adores Lauren Alaina? Unless you were being sarcastic and it went over my head.
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 26, 2018 20:00:08 GMT -5
I don't think Lauren Alaina will be a worry but I imagine both women will pull in a lot of adds since it is a 3rd Kelsea Ballerini single and a lead Lauren Alaina single (Radio adores Lauren Alaina). Both should have solid add date. I don’t want to start anything with you Ray, but what makes you say radio adores Lauren Alaina? Unless you were being sarcastic and it went over my head. I think it's the whole CRS slot, how long they were willing to keep "Doin Fine" on the chart and I also have a good feeling about her for adds date since her last lead single that went for adds "Next Boyfriend" pulled in 40+ weeks. That and the fact she still gets the New Artist Nomination hints to me that the industry is really pulling for her.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Sept 26, 2018 20:11:47 GMT -5
^^ So In response to the Raylatch post, not sure radio adores her, they were basically forced to play her song due to "OTV" and none of her other songs have really done anything on the chart that's ground breaking
In response to Darko, what perception are you talking about? The reality is that Kelsea has had 5 top 5 singles and lauren has had 1. So its a safe bet to say Kelsea has a good shot at taking more adds.
Im not one to pit women against women, (I Know were not doing that), Lets just hope they can both pull in a bunch of adds. Its sad to me that we have to think for one woman to succeed, that the other woman would fail or be hurt in the long term. We don't think that about the numerous men that are given same add dates, there's no coralation from that to the long term end result.
I hope these great ladies Kick major butt with these songs, as long as their good!
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Post by jhomes87 on Sept 26, 2018 20:16:35 GMT -5
It seemed unnecessary to pick that week the following week is pretty open she might have done better. I think it’s risky if she can’t pull close to Lauren it makes her look like her star is falling a bit. I'd be fairly shocked if Kelsea doesn't have quite a few more adds than Lauren Alaina when that comes around. I actually think Lauren might get more adds. Her song is a lead single, whereas "Miss Me More" is the 3rd release from Unapologetically. That alone gives me reason to believe that Lauren might do a little better. I know Lauren has only had the one hit so far, but I do think a lead single from her will generate quite a bit of interest from radio. Kelsea, on the other hand, has definitely lost momentum this era. "Legends" was such a soft hit and now the chart performance of "I Hate Love Songs" has really cooled her momentum. As for "Miss Me More", I do like this song a decent amount, but I'm also not hearing a smash here. It just sounds like it could be quite the polarizing song. It leans quite far to the pop side of the spectrum, and I can see a lot of casual listeners having an issue with the production as well as her vocal phrasing on this one. After just a few listens I couldn't even make out all the lyrics. Anyway, I definitely expect both Lauren and Kelsea to get more adds than the other two big label artists going for adds on Oct. 15 (Walker McGuire and Waterloo Revival).
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Post by darko on Sept 26, 2018 22:49:47 GMT -5
^^ So In response to the Raylatch post, not sure radio adores her, they were basically forced to play her song due to "OTV" and none of her other songs have really done anything on the chart that's ground breaking In response to Darko, what perception are you talking about? The reality is that Kelsea has had 5 top 5 singles and lauren has had 1. So its a safe bet to say Kelsea has a good shot at taking more adds. Im not one to pit women against women, (I Know were not doing that), Lets just hope they can both pull in a bunch of adds. Its sad to me that we have to think for one woman to succeed, that the other woman would fail or be hurt in the long term. We don't think that about the numerous men that are given same add dates, there's no coralation from that to the long term end result. I hope these great ladies Kick major butt with these songs, as long as their good! Men don’t have to worry as much about add dates bUt I would guess if and up and comer had an add date and someone who had been more successful jumped in when other dates where open with less artist they might think what’s up with that. We are not making it up that in terms of one women to succeed another might get kept down as only a few are allowed to succeed that’s not pitting women against each other just pointing out the reality. My perception is KB has had a definite downturn this cycle with radio as compared with last cycle, a continuation of that downturn would be IMO if Lauren gets more adds. Nothing sinister or mean spirited intended just my thought s on it, and yes I hope they can both climb the charts.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Sept 26, 2018 23:19:50 GMT -5
I'm happy this is getting single treatment, outside of 'Roses' this was the next standout track. I hope it has an easier time climbing the charts compared to 'I Hate Love Songs'.
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Post by jab820 on Sept 27, 2018 0:00:28 GMT -5
I hate to continue the Kelsea/Lauren conversation (even though I started it) because, like others have already said, pitting two women against each other is bad for the cause. Nonetheless, if there are two current women in the genre that are similar - from music to looks - it's these two. That said,
"Legends" (Lead single) 66 adds "Next Boyfriend" (Lead single) 44 adds
"I Hate Love Songs" (2nd single) 47 adds "Road Less Traveled" (2nd single) 29 adds
The comparison here might be irrelevant as the two's sophomore eras followed very different debut eras/timeframes. That said, if "Ladies in the 90s" performs like "Next Boyfriend" and "Miss Me More" performs like "Peter Pan" (50 adds), it could be close. Let's hope radio will be supportive of both -- I'm just worried someone is going to get shorted adds because radio can't handle two women. My guess is they both come in around 45 adds.
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Post by jhomes87 on Sept 27, 2018 0:47:24 GMT -5
I hate to continue the Kelsea/Lauren conversation (even though I started it) because, like others have already said, pitting two women against each other is bad for the cause. Nonetheless, if there are two current women in the genre that are similar - from music to looks - it's these two. That said, "Legends" (Lead single) 66 adds "Next Boyfriend" (Lead single) 44 adds "I Hate Love Songs" (2nd single) 47 adds "Road Less Traveled" (2nd single) 29 adds The comparison here might be irrelevant as the two's sophomore eras followed very different debut eras/timeframes. That said, if "Ladies in the 90s" performs like "Next Boyfriend" and "Miss Me More" performs like "Peter Pan" (50 adds), it could be close. Let's hope radio will be supportive of both -- I'm just worried someone is going to get shorted adds because radio can't handle two women. My guess is they both come in around 45 adds. Another thing to consider is that I think radio is pretty backlogged right now, in that it seems that there's a glut of new music out right now, and so because of that I think it'll be difficult for both Kelsea and Lauren to match up with the adds they got in their previous album cycles. The chart is really slow-moving right now, and we're seeing a lot of artists (both established and semi-established artists) struggle and climb very slowly. Just taking a look at the Mediabase add board for the last several weeks, we had Chase Rice as most added on August 13 (29 adds), followed by Jake Owen on August 20 (54 adds plus 26 early adds, for a total of 80 on impact date), and then Kenny Chesney scored 51 adds (and had 66 total stations) on August 27. Keith Urban got 45 adds with the 3rd single from his current album on August 27 as well. LoCash got 43 adds on September 4, Jason Aldean only got 39 adds on September 10 (Cody Johnson did better with 57 total stations on that day, in large part thanks to early adds in the weeks before), Carrie's "Love Wins" got 52 adds on September 17 and Lindsay Ell's "Champagne" got 36 adds on that same date, and then this current week we saw Billy Currington get 50 adds, Brett Young got 43 (and has 55 total stations thanks to early adds), and Morgan Evans scored 33 adds. The singles from Billy and Brett are lead singles, and I feel like they both have more momentum than Kelsea and Lauren. Carrie with her 2nd single and Jason with his 3rd single almost certainly have more momentum than Kelsea and Lauren as well. My point is, I've been a bit surprised by some of the lower add totals in recent weeks. Kenny and Keith both did okay, but now their songs are moving very slowly. Neither Jason's "A Girl Like You" nor Carrie's "Love Wins" is really moving all that well, and Aldean certainly scored a lower amount of adds than he normally would (although, to be fair, I think his label sent "Girl Like You" for adds way too quickly after "Drowns The Whiskey", which was a big hit and is likely to get a lot of recurrent airplay). Going farther back, Dan + Shay's "Speechless" had 47 stations on impact in early August, and Blake Shelton's "Turnin' Me On" had 63 stations on impact at the end of July. Luke Combs' "She Got The Best Of Me" received 47 adds (and had 56 total stations) on July 9 and Dierks Bentley's "Burning Man" only got 30 adds on impact in early July. Brett Eldredge had 28 adds in early July as well. With new Thomas Rhett, Rascal Flatts, Tim McGraw, and probably Luke Bryan singles coming in the next few weeks, that could prove to be some very tough competition for both Kelsea and Lauren. Right now I'd guess about 35-40 adds for Lauren, and maybe 30-35 for Kelsea. I just personally think Kelsea will have trouble doing more than 35-40 with the 3rd single from her album, especially when you consider that a) "I Hate Love Songs" failed to hit the top 20 and b) artists like Luke Combs, Dan + Shay, and Brett Young -- who all have more momentum than Kelsea does -- scored in the range of 43-47 stations on add day with their current singles. I don't think Kelsea or Lauren will clear those numbers, and that's why I'm predicting about 35-40 for Lauren's lead single, and about 30-35 for "Miss Me More". Of course, sometimes it's hard to know...Lindsay Ell doesn't have a ton of momentum, and she scored 36 adds last week, and it was the same day that Carrie's "Love Wins" went for adds as well. So it can be kind of unpredictable but right now I'm just getting the sense that radio is a bit backlogged, considering the fact that the latest singles from Blake Shelton, Kenny Chesney, Keith Urban, Jason Aldean, and Carrie Underwood are all moving quite slowly. Because of that, I think we could see lower adds numbers in October, with the only exceptions being Thomas Rhett, Rascal Flatts, Tim McGraw, and Luke Bryan.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Sept 27, 2018 8:49:29 GMT -5
I think "I Hate Love Songs" kind of underperforming is leaving her future with radio a bit uncertain with people, especially because she is a female artist and it can take 1 underperforming single to send a career in a tailspin (Kip Moore and Hunter Hayes especially come to mind). One single doesn't make top 10 and Kelsea is done? Kelsea is the most popular female radio artist outside Carrie in country music. Kelsea is young and talented I don't think she is going anywhere, "IHLS" just wasn't that great of a song. Kip Moore had numerous misses and was back in the top 5 with "More Girls Like You", and Hunter Hayes had numerous misses at radio and every song in my opinion was just not that great. If Kelsea puts out a great song she'll be right back at number 1.
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Post by soulfulwings on Sept 27, 2018 8:57:32 GMT -5
It can't do any worse than I Hate Love Songs. Hopefully they'll finally go with the obvious smash Get Over Yourself as the final single.
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Post by matty005 on Sept 27, 2018 9:07:30 GMT -5
It can't do any worse than I Hate Love Songs. Hopefully they'll finally go with the obvious smash Get Over Yourself as the final single. If this performs the same as, “I Hate Love Songs,” I highly doubt there will be a 4th single.
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 27, 2018 11:17:07 GMT -5
I think "I Hate Love Songs" kind of underperforming is leaving her future with radio a bit uncertain with people, especially because she is a female artist and it can take 1 underperforming single to send a career in a tailspin (Kip Moore and Hunter Hayes especially come to mind). One single doesn't make top 10 and Kelsea is done? Kelsea is the most popular female radio artist outside Carrie in country music. Kelsea is young and talented I don't think she is going anywhere, "IHLS" just wasn't that great of a song. Kip Moore had numerous misses and was back in the top 5 with "More Girls Like You", and Hunter Hayes had numerous misses at radio and every song in my opinion was just not that great. If Kelsea puts out a great song she'll be right back at number 1. Considering the fact that she is a female her future isn't as concrete as a males hence the concern. Quality is also very subjective as seen by this thread.
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Post by straitouttanashville on Sept 27, 2018 14:21:52 GMT -5
One single doesn't make top 10 and Kelsea is done? Kelsea is the most popular female radio artist outside Carrie in country music. Kelsea is young and talented I don't think she is going anywhere, "IHLS" just wasn't that great of a song. Kip Moore had numerous misses and was back in the top 5 with "More Girls Like You", and Hunter Hayes had numerous misses at radio and every song in my opinion was just not that great. If Kelsea puts out a great song she'll be right back at number 1. Considering the fact that she is a female her future isn't as concrete as a males hence the concern. Quality is also very subjective as seen by this thread. I still don't see her going anywhere in my opinion. She is such a fresh face and bright spot for the genre. I personally love her music, and from the outside she seems like an awesome person in general. Whoever has a say needs to help keep Kelsea around for a long time, but she is so talented I think it is inevitable anyway.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 27, 2018 17:29:25 GMT -5
I agree with straitouttanashville that I don't think Kelsea is going anywhere. She isn't on a roll like she was with her debut era, but "I Hate Love Songs" is only her first single to not make the Top 5 and it made it into the 20s, which is usually on the higher end of chart successes for the average female. I think that she'll recover and be fine, whether it's with "Miss Me More" or with a lead single on album era #3. Country radio likes her, she's developed a decent fanbase/following, and has a label with deep pockets to promote her with little else going for them (none of the other few artists they've had past or present have done much of anything yet), so I personally doubt she is in trouble.
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Post by toomuchboy on Sept 27, 2018 17:55:36 GMT -5
Well, I loved IHLS while this was my least favorite on the album. I guess they figured, since the former didn't do too well, they might as well go the entirely opposite direction. Hopefully it works out for her.
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Post by LBTrocks on Sept 27, 2018 21:26:17 GMT -5
I love this song and it was a standout from the album for me along with "Get Over Yourself", but I'm not quite onboard with people saying it'll smash. Don't get me wrong, I want this to smash, but I feel like it's too out there for country radio with its poppiness and might be too polarizing to get this song into the top 5/top 10 region of the chart. I wonder if they'll try crossing over to at least HAC with this one, but the song will have to get its footing solid on country radio before doing that. I'm sorry, but if this is "too pop" for country but a song like "Meant To Be" by FGL/Rexha is a smash hit in the genre, than country is even more hypocritical and messed up than I thought it was.
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Post by bboat11 on Sept 27, 2018 21:57:32 GMT -5
I love this song and it was a standout from the album for me along with "Get Over Yourself", but I'm not quite onboard with people saying it'll smash. Don't get me wrong, I want this to smash, but I feel like it's too out there for country radio with its poppiness and might be too polarizing to get this song into the top 5/top 10 region of the chart. I wonder if they'll try crossing over to at least HAC with this one, but the song will have to get its footing solid on country radio before doing that. I'm sorry, but if this is "too pop" for country but a song like "Meant To Be" by FGL/Rexha is a smash hit in the genre, than country is even more hypocritical and messed up than I thought it was. This 100%. Also, I don't really agree with the outrage about this song not being country enough. This has a very "country" lyrical perspective, and the melody is fairly country too. I could easily imagine somebody like Reba performing this song back in her heyday alongside other sassy kiss-off songs like "Why Haven't I Heard From You". It would work pretty well with the type of "pop-leaning-yet-still-undeniably-country" production that she was using at the time. Yet here it is in the modern market, with a production that is definitely poppy, but nowhere close to over the line for what the genre has demonstrated itself willing to accept in this year alone. And the argument gets even sillier when you consider the fact that "Get Over Yourself" is like 100x poppier than this one. If "Miss Me More" is going to be too polarizing, I can't WAIT to see how radio would react to Kelsea mumbling a string of words with no inflection or melody or even discernible pronunciation over a synth-pop wall, which is literally all that the chorus of "Get Over Yourself" is
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 27, 2018 22:05:45 GMT -5
Yeah, count me in among those who are confused by the "this is too pop for country radio" statements. Is it really? 'Cause I sure don't hear it. This is pretty much par the course for a lot of artists at the format, if not slightly more country than some of the more genre-bending tunes that have hit over the years, as bboat11 said above. Definitely not neo-traditional by any stretch of the imagination, but this tune is far from being some pure pop song that would sound out of place at the format imo.
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Post by austin on Sept 28, 2018 9:59:15 GMT -5
And the argument gets even sillier when you consider the fact that "Get Over Yourself" is like 100x poppier than this one. If "Miss Me More" is going to be too polarizing, I can't WAIT to see how radio would react to Kelsea mumbling a string of words with no inflection or melody or even discernible pronunciation over a synth-pop wall, which is literally all that the chorus of "Get Over Yourself" is I'm over you, yes I'm over you. So Get Over Yourself. :kii:
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Post by darko on Sept 28, 2018 12:27:38 GMT -5
I think the lyrics are country enough but the melody to me is definitely not something you hear on country radio. I cant imagine Carrie or Reba singing this melody as has been mentioned in this thread. I like it well enough just not sure how radio will receive it.
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Post by Wave. on Sept 28, 2018 15:00:18 GMT -5
I didnt wear my high heeled shoes, cause I couldn't be taller than you
Now the sound during the verses are definitely country, but its def a nice blend of country and pop overall on the whole song.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Sept 28, 2018 17:08:56 GMT -5
What does the sales look like for Kelsea's 2nd album? What was the sales of the first album? In my opinion, the 2nd album makes or breaks someone new.
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Post by Wave. on Sept 28, 2018 17:11:50 GMT -5
What does the sales look like for Kelsea's 2nd album? What was the sales of the first album? In my opinion, the 2nd album makes or breaks someone new. I think shes over 100k, right, SHOOTER ?
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 28, 2018 17:16:36 GMT -5
I didnt wear my high heeled shoes, cause I couldn't be taller than youNow the sound during the verses are definitely country, but its def a nice blend of country and pop overall on the whole song. That's my favorite line! I know that one (among others) is gonna hit home for so many ladies out there.
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Post by loveofmusic on Sept 28, 2018 18:07:36 GMT -5
What does the sales look like for Kelsea's 2nd album? What was the sales of the first album? In my opinion, the 2nd album makes or breaks someone new. The following link from Roughstock reports 113,500 sold for her 2nd album. This sales update was only a few days ago. The last Roughstock update in Oct. 2017 reports her 1st album sold 306,700. Album has been certified gold. roughstock.com/news/2018/09/43378-top-10-country-albums-sales-chart-september-24-2018
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Sept 28, 2018 18:26:31 GMT -5
Not my favourite song from her, and it is ever so slightly too pop for me for my personal country purposes. However it’s such a jam in the car that I can’t deny it’s hit potential. And this isn’t the worst offender pop wise so I’m not calling it out for that at all, I do like it and I think it’ll do well on my personal chart.
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