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Post by countryisking on Mar 6, 2019 12:17:40 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious that the same people who can say that this is NOT pop because pop music is so definitively defined are the ones who say that this IS country because country can't be definitively defined...when the very nature of pop is "popular." I'd say this sounds a lot more like what's being played there than "Beautiful Crazy," "She Ain't in It," "Every Little Honky Tonk Bar," "What Makes You Country," "Drowns the Whiskey," "Girl Goin' Nowhere," "I Lived It," "Mercy," "Speechless," "Good as You," "On My Way To You"... By me saying it's not pop, does not mean I am saying it is country. Please do not put words in my mouth. I can kind of hear this being compared to the new Jonas Brothers song, but other than that, what current pop songs does this sound like? You listed a bunch of country songs it doesn't sound like, but I can list of bunch of ones it does. "Take It From Me," "One That Got Away," "Eyes On You" etc. You said you could list "a bunch" and then went on to list only 3, two of which sound nothing like the production, delivery, or intonation on this song. Based on your first sentence, I'm glad we can agree that this isn't country.
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Post by matty005 on Mar 6, 2019 12:22:09 GMT -5
By me saying it's not pop, does not mean I am saying it is country. Please do not put words in my mouth. I can kind of hear this being compared to the new Jonas Brothers song, but other than that, what current pop songs does this sound like? You listed a bunch of country songs it doesn't sound like, but I can list of bunch of ones it does. "Take It From Me," "One That Got Away," "Eyes On You" etc. You said you could list "a bunch" and then went on to list only 3, two of which sound nothing like the production, delivery, or intonation on this song. Based on your first sentence, I'm glad we can agree that this isn't country. I could list many more. If you think this sounds like it would fit in next to Cardi B and Post Malone, I'm not going to change your mind. Based on all your sentences, I see you're more into trying to get a rise out of people than actually having a legitimate conversation like jimmy's carhartt and many others are doing.
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Post by Naos on Mar 6, 2019 14:40:57 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious that the same people who can say that this is NOT pop because pop music is so definitively defined are the ones who say that this IS country because country can't be definitively defined...when the very nature of pop is "popular." No. There is a difference in pop as a genre, and pop as in popular music. Popular music encompasses everything outside of classical and choral music, mostly. "Pop music" as you're using it, would be pop, country, rock, dance, etc. I can't say in a lot of ways this is a pop song when it comes to genre, but at the same time, it would not fit on pop radio much at all, and actually fits more with the current pop country on country radio, especially with the twang.
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Post by jimmy's carhartt on Mar 6, 2019 15:48:20 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious that the same people who can say that this is NOT pop because pop music is so definitively defined are the ones who say that this IS country because country can't be definitively defined...when the very nature of pop is "popular." No. There is a difference in pop as a genre, and pop as in popular music. Popular music encompasses everything outside of classical and choral music, mostly. "Pop music" as you're using it, would be pop, country, rock, dance, etc. I can't say in a lot of ways this is a pop song when it comes to genre, but at the same time, it would not fit on pop radio much at all, and actually fits more with the current pop country on country radio, especially with the twang. Technically speaking, pop music is defined as whatever is the most popular music of the day, whereas country music has more specific stylistic parameters. This leads to the pop genre going through more dramatic shifts and changes as it incorporates the flavor of the moment. So I'd say the "pop genre" is really more like an umbrella under which many more specific pop subgenres exist and interweave with each other. So pop radio right now might favor a specific type of pop music that sounds nothing like Thomas Rhett, but I'd still classify this song squarely under the umbrella of the pop genre. I think there's a good argument that music industry as a whole is better off with pop as an inclusive genre, and country as an exclusive genre, so that songs on the border are classified and considered more pop than country. Similar to how, say, jazz would be considered a more specific, exclusive format. Of course, that's not the world we live in, but I can dream.
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Post by Naos on Mar 6, 2019 16:07:44 GMT -5
No. There is a difference in pop as a genre, and pop as in popular music. Popular music encompasses everything outside of classical and choral music, mostly. "Pop music" as you're using it, would be pop, country, rock, dance, etc. I can't say in a lot of ways this is a pop song when it comes to genre, but at the same time, it would not fit on pop radio much at all, and actually fits more with the current pop country on country radio, especially with the twang. Technically speaking, pop music is defined as whatever is the most popular music of the day, whereas country music has more specific stylistic parameters. This leads to the pop genre going through more dramatic shifts and changes as it incorporates the flavor of the moment. So I'd say the "pop genre" is really more like an umbrella under which many more specific pop subgenres exist and interweave with each other. So pop radio right now might favor a specific type of pop music that sounds nothing like Thomas Rhett, but I'd still classify this song squarely under the umbrella of the pop genre. I think there's a good argument that music industry as a whole is better off with pop as an inclusive genre, and country as an exclusive genre, so that songs on the border are classified and considered more pop than country. Similar to how, say, jazz would be considered a more specific, exclusive format. Of course, that's not the world we live in, but I can dream. Pop music is defined stylistically as well. Whether something is popular or not does not make it pop. Chart music is not the same as pop music. Pop music =/= popular music. They generally pull from other genres, but by your logic, pop (say, Taylor Swift, Carly Rae Jepsen, Halsey, Maroon 5), isn't pop. Hip-hop is pop.
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Post by jimmy's carhartt on Mar 6, 2019 17:52:44 GMT -5
Technically speaking, pop music is defined as whatever is the most popular music of the day, whereas country music has more specific stylistic parameters. This leads to the pop genre going through more dramatic shifts and changes as it incorporates the flavor of the moment. So I'd say the "pop genre" is really more like an umbrella under which many more specific pop subgenres exist and interweave with each other. So pop radio right now might favor a specific type of pop music that sounds nothing like Thomas Rhett, but I'd still classify this song squarely under the umbrella of the pop genre. I think there's a good argument that music industry as a whole is better off with pop as an inclusive genre, and country as an exclusive genre, so that songs on the border are classified and considered more pop than country. Similar to how, say, jazz would be considered a more specific, exclusive format. Of course, that's not the world we live in, but I can dream. Pop music is defined stylistically as well. Whether something is popular or not does not make it pop. Chart music is not the same as pop music. Pop music =/= popular music. They generally pull from other genres, but by your logic, pop (say, Taylor Swift, Carly Rae Jepsen, Halsey, Maroon 5), isn't pop. Hip-hop is pop. "Pop music =/= popular music" - True "by your logic, pop (say, Taylor Swift, Carly Rae Jepsen, Halsey, Maroon 5), isn't pop" - False I regard pop music as a "big tent" sort of genre with heavy emphasis on recording what will sell and little/no emphasis on preserving the artistic integrity of the genre. That's an equation that goes on in every genre, but none are so skewed toward commercialism as pop. I've never heard of a pop purist, or someone trying to respect or preserve the roots of the pop genre. Pop cannot be defined narrowly, by definition.
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Post by Naos on Mar 6, 2019 18:20:05 GMT -5
Pop music is defined stylistically as well. Whether something is popular or not does not make it pop. Chart music is not the same as pop music. Pop music =/= popular music. They generally pull from other genres, but by your logic, pop (say, Taylor Swift, Carly Rae Jepsen, Halsey, Maroon 5), isn't pop. Hip-hop is pop. "Pop music =/= popular music" - True "by your logic, pop (say, Taylor Swift, Carly Rae Jepsen, Halsey, Maroon 5), isn't pop" - False I regard pop music as a "big tent" sort of genre with heavy emphasis on recording what will sell and little/no emphasis on preserving the artistic integrity of the genre. That's an equation that goes on in every genre, but none are so skewed toward commercialism as pop. I've never heard of a pop purist, or someone trying to respect or preserve the roots of the pop genre. Pop cannot be defined narrowly, by definition. That can go for any genre. With country, there's pop country, country rock, neo-traditional, to some degree, rockabilly. Same with rock. Not only is there various sub-genres, like pop rock, or metal. There's even sub-genres for sub-genres. And if you want to talk "roots", everything is rooted in classical, or traditional music.
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Post by jhomes87 on Mar 6, 2019 19:10:46 GMT -5
So, this one time I logged into Pulse and saw a great debate about what's pop and what's country.
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Post by raylatch98 on Mar 6, 2019 19:25:08 GMT -5
As long as artists like Thomas Rhett, Florida Georgia Line, Kelsea Ballerini, etc. stay around in the genre and maintain popularity. The genre debate will always ensue, for better or worse. I am almost numb to it at this point, but at this point I am used to it and there's nothing stopping either side
Personally all I care about is music that I like, if I like it I will listen. Regardless of genre and style.
If you want to be a traditional country music fan, who loves the fiddle, banjo, and loves everything Saving Country Music and everything that site posts and says about Maren Morris and Florida Georgia Line. Go right ahead, there is plenty of music for you.
If you want to be a modern country music fan, who loves Sam Hunt, Thomas Rhett, Florida Georgia Line, and Kelsea Ballerini. Who likes different sounds in country music. Go right ahead.
Above all else, just like the music you like without shaming others that like the music you don't like. The whole label music thing is pointless to me. Music shouldn't be contained, and judged within a confined space imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 10:24:00 GMT -5
LORD ALMIGHTY That's what you call a jump. Mediabase this morning
118 19 Up this week THOMAS RHETT Look What God Gave Her 3049 11 3038 20.709
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Post by rsmatto on Mar 9, 2019 19:49:31 GMT -5
As long as artists like Thomas Rhett, Florida Georgia Line, Kelsea Ballerini, etc. stay around in the genre and maintain popularity. The genre debate will always ensue, for better or worse. I am almost numb to it at this point, but at this point I am used to it and there's nothing stopping either side Personally all I care about is music that I like, if I like it I will listen. Regardless of genre and style. If you want to be a traditional country music fan, who loves the fiddle, banjo, and loves everything Saving Country Music and everything that site posts and says about Maren Morris and Florida Georgia Line. Go right ahead, there is plenty of music for you. If you want to be a modern country music fan, who loves Sam Hunt, Thomas Rhett, Florida Georgia Line, and Kelsea Ballerini. Who likes different sounds in country music. Go right ahead. Above all else, just like the music you like without shaming others that like the music you don't like. The whole label music thing is pointless to me. Music shouldn't be contained, and judged within a confined space imo. Yes. And, the debate will rage on decades from now.
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Post by Naos on Mar 11, 2019 16:08:15 GMT -5
Hot 100: #52 (debut) Country Airplay: #22 (-2) Country Songs: #5 (+32)
Canadian Hot 100: #54 (debut)
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Mar 11, 2019 16:40:14 GMT -5
Hot 100: #52 (debut) Country Songs: #5 (+32) Canadian Hot 100: #54 (debut) Wow, considerably higher than what was predicted! It actually beat out “Craving You” and I think it’ll probably be a bigger hit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 17:13:09 GMT -5
Not very fond of the theme but this is alright I guess.
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Post by Naos on Mar 11, 2019 17:14:02 GMT -5
Hot 100: #52 (debut) Country Songs: #5 (+32) Canadian Hot 100: #54 (debut) Wow, considerably higher than what was predicted! It actually beat out “Craving You” and I think it’ll probably be a bigger hit. Yeah, that debut in Canada's pretty impressive too. His highest debuts for both the US and Canada are with this song, I believe.
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Post by collinkottke on Mar 11, 2019 20:22:59 GMT -5
Only drops two spots on the Billboard Country Airplay Chart. Moving to #22 this week after a #20 debut last week.
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Post by HeyHeyHey on Mar 12, 2019 7:49:02 GMT -5
This entered the Billboard Hot 100 at #52.
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Post by Naos on Mar 26, 2019 13:44:57 GMT -5
03/23/19: Hot 100: #82 (-30) Country Airplay: #20 (+2) Country Songs: #16 (-11)
Canadian Hot 100: #66 (-12)
03/30/19: Hot 100: #80 (+2) Country Airplay: #18 (+2) Country Songs: #16 (=)
Canadian Hot 100: #67 (-1)
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Post by trustypepper on Mar 26, 2019 16:13:31 GMT -5
I’m honestly liking this song less and less each time I hear it. The melody of the chorus is just nonexistent after the first two lines and it’s not even catchy.
I almost always love Thomas’ singles so this is a major disappointment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 16:57:02 GMT -5
Ahhh a long album full of Thomas Rhett goodness ♥
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Post by seak05 on Mar 28, 2019 17:10:40 GMT -5
While the first two singles leave something to be desired for the average country music fan, this new album will embrace what they’re calling “bold unpredictability,” AKA Thomas Rhett’s signature sound. It’s “hot-blooded R&B meets brassy, shag-carpeted funk, danceable disco and breezy beachside soul, joining classic balladry, new school honky-tonk and above all, twangy authenticity.”
What on the ever loving earth?
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Post by CoJoFan on Mar 28, 2019 17:51:24 GMT -5
3 collaborations!! Looking forward to the Jon Pardi one!
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Post by Naos on Mar 28, 2019 18:29:04 GMT -5
I feel none of the collaborations might get released as singles, but I could be wrong. I don't think he'll have anything as good as "Marry Me" on the album, but we'll have to see.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 28, 2019 21:47:27 GMT -5
Looking forward to hearing the Kelsea Ballerini collab because I love her, but I also love Little Big Town and that song he did with them is atrocious so I'm not quite sure what to expect at this point, lol.
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Post by dm2081 on Mar 28, 2019 21:57:22 GMT -5
Hopefully the Jon Pardi song is a rowdy one, like "Drink A Little Beer". Looking forward to hearing that one!
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Post by Naos on Mar 28, 2019 23:01:53 GMT -5
"That Old Truck" out now.
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Post by justin5545 on Mar 28, 2019 23:55:51 GMT -5
"That Old Truck" at least gives me some, although little, hope for the album.
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Post by Naos on Apr 4, 2019 1:48:45 GMT -5
Hot 100: #69 (+11) Country Airplay: #15 (+3) Country Songs: #12 (+4)
Canadian Hot 100: #70 (-3) Canadian Country: #24 (+6)
Uploaded a second lyric video for "That Old Truck" for some reason.
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Post by country11 on Apr 4, 2019 11:14:00 GMT -5
I don't understand why they release a a song like "Look What God Gave Her" when they could release a song that is so much better and at least actually country like "That Old Truck".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 13:55:20 GMT -5
I don't understand why they release a a song like "Look What God Gave Her" when they could release a song that is so much better and at least actually country like "That Old Truck". Yeah. Look What God Gave Her sounds like... 9th single material, not a lead one. And I agree that if he makes some country songs to include in his albums, why not release them?
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