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Post by CoJoFan on Apr 10, 2019 9:48:11 GMT -5
🤮🤮🤮 at this being on all the country charts!
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 10, 2019 10:49:18 GMT -5
No, Billy Ray is not a one hit wonder. But he is a ridiculous fame whore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 11:07:53 GMT -5
What I don’t like about this situation is that people who don’t listen to country radio (or even country music) think they can decide what’s country and what’s not. And then they play the race card when anyone complains about it. Well, this is essentially what happens almost any time a rapper blows up on pop radio. Hip-hop fans make it clear that they don't view the artist in question as hip-hop, then non-hip-hop fans tell us that we're "playing the race card," and need to "get over it" and accept that their definition of hip-hop is hip-hop. Certain non-hip-hop fans refuse to recognize that rap in and of itself is no longer its own genre, and Billboard throws anyone who raps on one rap songs chart...even though anyone with sense could tell you that Macklemore, Pitbull, Daddy Yankee, even Flo Rida are clearly not aiming for the same audience that Drake, Cardi B and Kendrick Lamar are. (And no, getting an accepted hip-hop artist on your song does not magically make you or your song hip-hop, just like throwing Billy Ray Cyrus on a remix doesn't make Old Town Road country.) As a hip-hop fan I simultaneously understand exactly why a country fan would be bothered by OTR being placed on any country chart and yet am annoyed seeing country fans exhibit the same territorial mentality and it be totally expected and catered to while we repeatedly get told to kick rocks and just let our whole culture get appropriated for quick profit by outsiders. There is definitely a jaded feeling over being accused of playing race no matter which side of the coin we're on...so with that in mind, systemic double standards lead to people finding misplaced schadenfreude in the most random things, and that is why you see quite a few people getting a kick out of Lil Nas X flipping the situation and rising to popularity from it. This is rare, unlike rap/hip-hop where such genre 'invasions' have been somewhat normalized for close to a decade now. I don't think any reasonable* person truly thinks OTR is country - the real argument to be made is that this could be the beginning of a new urban-country subgenre and it's not the 'pure' country audience's place to impede that - but even if that did occur it would be happenstance. This was obviously a marketing stunt and the only reason it was able to happen is b/c the way Billboard places songs on its genre charts is flawed and can be exploited by one-offs like this for peak visibility. I'm not going to be mad at him for bending the rules to his advantage, and really no one should be. He has to commit to the 'this song is country' shtick now to save face, but he found the non-country audience he was looking for. *Yes I realize there is a frighteningly high number of not-at-all reasonable people in this world and that those are the ones who have you vexed rn
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Post by phil1996 on Apr 10, 2019 12:01:47 GMT -5
Is this country? Absolutely not.
But country radio programmers saying this “isn’t country” is LUDACRIS. You shove the same auto tuned BS with the same beat as “Old Town Road” down listeners throats week after week.
If you’re gonna play Meant To Be, Good Girl, Hooked, and Blue Tacoma endlessly, you have no reason to ignore this song. Make up your mind.
That’s the bottom line.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Apr 10, 2019 12:14:44 GMT -5
Is this country? Absolutely not. But country radio programmers saying this “isn’t country” is LUDACRIS. You shove the same auto tuned BS with the same beat as “Old Town Road” down listeners throats week after week. If you’re gonna play Meant To Be, Good Girl, Hooked, and Blue Tacoma endlessly, you have no reason to ignore this song. Make up your mind. That’s the bottom line. I honestly don't think there's ever been a song with the same beat as this on Country radio, but I get where you're coming from.
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Post by jimmy's carhartt on Apr 10, 2019 12:42:49 GMT -5
What I don’t like about this situation is that people who don’t listen to country radio (or even country music) think they can decide what’s country and what’s not. And then they play the race card when anyone complains about it. Well, this is essentially what happens almost any time a rapper blows up on pop radio. Hip-hop fans make it clear that they don't view the artist in question as hip-hop, then non-hip-hop fans tell us that we're "playing the race card," and need to "get over it" and accept that their definition of hip-hop is hip-hop. Certain non-hip-hop fans refuse to recognize that rap in and of itself is no longer its own genre, and Billboard throws anyone who raps on one rap songs chart...even though anyone with sense could tell you that Macklemore, Pitbull, Daddy Yankee, even Flo Rida are clearly not aiming for the same audience that Drake, Cardi B and Kendrick Lamar are. (And no, getting an accepted hip-hop artist on your song does not magically make you or your song hip-hop, just like throwing Billy Ray Cyrus on a remix doesn't make Old Town Road country.) As a hip-hop fan I simultaneously understand exactly why a country fan would be bothered by OTR being placed on any country chart and yet am annoyed seeing country fans exhibit the same territorial mentality and it be totally expected and catered to while we repeatedly get told to kick rocks and just let our whole culture get appropriated for quick profit by outsiders. There is definitely a jaded feeling over being accused of playing race no matter which side of the coin we're on...so with that in mind, systemic double standards lead to people finding misplaced schadenfreude in the most random things, and that is why you see quite a few people getting a kick out of Lil Nas X flipping the situation and rising to popularity from it. This is rare, unlike rap/hip-hop where such genre 'invasions' have been somewhat normalized for close to a decade now. I'm not a hip-hop fan and I'm not really familiar with what has been going on in that world. But I completely sympathize with your point about genre invasions. While this Lil Nas X situation is a comical one-off, there has been a systematic attack on the roots of the genre for almost a decade now. What you don't realize is this is the first time country music fans territorial mentality has been catered to, after a long string of genre invasions, just like in hip-hop. Florida Geogia Line and Luke Bryan remixing their songs with Nelly and Jason Derulo to boost their chart positions, Sam Hunt's "Body Like a Back Road", Thomas Rhett ripping off Ed Sheeran, Keith Urban's pure pop "The Fighter", Bebe Rexha owning the "biggest country song of all time", etc. The list goes on and on. What makes Lil Nas X feel like a rare situation is that he embraced the ridiculous nature of genre situation and made the clown world work for him. Sam Hunt is no closer to country music than Lil Nas X, he's just a little less unashamed about capitalizing on the situation. Anyway, my knew position is that if sending this to #1 and making it the biggest "country" hit of the year is the wake up call the industry needs, then I'm all on board! And if they still don't wake up, then let it all burn. Best country song ever!
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Post by Caviar on Apr 10, 2019 13:20:27 GMT -5
What's the definition of a country song?
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Apr 10, 2019 13:28:24 GMT -5
What's the definition of a country song? People who sing with an exaggerated, affected twang over instrumentation that consists of maybe some elements of an acoustic guitar, banjo, steel guitar, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 14:51:12 GMT -5
What's the definition of a country song? People who sing with an exaggerated, affected twang over instrumentation that consists of maybe some elements of an acoustic guitar, banjo, steel guitar, etc. ^^To add to that, country music is usually structured around straightforward melodies and chord progressions, so the focus stays primarily on the lyrics/storytelling. Things country music usually does NOT have: heavy bass/drums, synths or other electronic production, "drops," sudden beat or production switches. It's not a genre known for overt experimentation or blending of outside influences, a Kacey Musgraves notwithstanding. I'm not a hip-hop fan and I'm not really familiar with what has been going on in that world. But I completely sympathize with your point about genre invasions. While this Lil Nas X situation is a comical one-off, there has been a systematic attack on the roots of the genre for almost a decade now. What you don't realize is this is the first time country music fans territorial mentality has been catered to, after a long string of genre invasions, just like in hip-hop. Florida Geogia Line and Luke Bryan remixing their songs with Nelly and Jason Derulo to boost their chart positions, Sam Hunt's "Body Like a Back Road", Thomas Rhett ripping off Ed Sheeran, Keith Urban's pure pop "The Fighter", Bebe Rexha owning the "biggest country song of all time", etc. The list goes on and on. What makes Lil Nas X feel like a rare situation is that he embraced the ridiculous nature of genre situation and made the clown world work for him. Sam Hunt is no closer to country music than Lil Nas X, he's just a little less unashamed about capitalizing on the situation. Anyway, my knew position is that if sending this to #1 and making it the biggest "country" hit of the year is the wake up call the industry needs, then I'm all on board! And if they still don't wake up, then let it all burn. Best country song ever! Oh goodness, how did I forget about Meant To Be so soon! (Oh, I know how. Because I hate that song lol) For the FGL, Sam Hunt types...Sam is certainly pop. FGL, I always thought was bro-country (which I don't like). I don't know Thomas Rhett but it sounds like that's a good thing for me. The FGL and Jason Aldean collaborations are interesting to consider because that seems like it was an opposite situation from an invasion - the country acts were seeking out non-country acts to boost mainstream appeal - but nonetheless it opened the same can of worms. That all reminds me of the 2000s when hip-hop fans would have debates about what was "real" hip-hop and what was "just rap." It was more or less a tenuous argument based on content and quality, and at the time seemed unnecessarily pretentious...but as countryisking pointed out how FGL leads to Sam Hunt which leads to Old Town Road, I think that is sort of where hip-hop went. So many years of party and snap rap led to Flo Rida and Pitbull which led to Macklemore which led to G-Eazy and Post Malone, and I suppose country is experiencing that same problem now with music that increasingly sounds more like mainstream pop than country. Mainstream is pretty urban-friendly these days and that left the door open for this crazy slide from country all the way to hip-hop. And if I knew rock music more I could probably make a decent case for how that has slowly morphed from 'true' rock to alternative to alt-pop. Makes me wonder if it's an overall industry attempt to homogenize all genres as much as possible.
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Post by CoJoFan on Apr 10, 2019 15:23:33 GMT -5
Why don’t everyone go download some Earl Thomas Conley music and lets get him to #1 in memory of a real country legend. This garbage needs to be in the garbage.
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Post by Dustin J. on Apr 10, 2019 19:51:35 GMT -5
What's the definition of a country song? Not this.
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Post by Caviar on Apr 10, 2019 19:53:41 GMT -5
What's the definition of a country song? Not this. Then what is it?!
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Apr 10, 2019 20:08:21 GMT -5
A country song is a song that many people can relate to. It’s about daily life, having fun, love, and/or nostalgia. Traditionally, the steel guitar, fiddle, acoustic guitar, banjo, and a simple beat have been used in country music (though that seems to have changed in recent years). What does “Old Town Road” have? A distorted, quiet banjo. One singular country instrument. To say this is country is like saying “Meant to Be” is hip hop. EDIT: And the lyrics are basically parodying “country life”. It really is a stupid song, but also really catchy.
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Post by phil1996 on Apr 10, 2019 20:35:59 GMT -5
As much as this song isn’t country, I just love that it’s like a slap in the face to country radio for thinking they can get away with playing Look What God Gave Her, Meant To Be, Blue Tacoma without any sort of disapproval.
It’s time to hold radio accountable. I want answers and I want them now.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 10, 2019 21:12:57 GMT -5
Why does "Blue Tacoma" keep getting thrown around with songs like "Meant to Be"? It doesn't fit the same "not really country" narrative at all.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 10, 2019 21:13:27 GMT -5
As much as this song isn’t country, I just love that it’s like a slap in the face to country radio for thinking they can get away with playing Look What God Gave Her, Meant To Be, Blue Tacoma without any sort of disapproval. It’s time to hold radio accountable. I want answers and I want them now. But don't you think radio is being held accountable? Artists don't need it. Kacey has proved this. Church has. Ashley McBryde. I know in a perfect world radio would be exactly what we all want to hear (spoiler, we all want to hear different things, so that will never happen) but radio means so little now. I know it helps break artists, but so many don't need it now. With so many different outlets, radio is no where like it used to be and I see it only getting less relevant as time goes on. It is being held accountable simply by the fact it's not make or break if you get played on it. You're getting your answer and you've been getting it for the past 2 years. I think country music is putting out great stuff recently. The names listed above, plus legends like Reba and Brooks and Dunn.... Radio doesn't define the genre. Stop giving them so much power. Or at least stop thinking that they have so much power. They don't. And they are losing it by the day.
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Post by phil1996 on Apr 10, 2019 21:44:02 GMT -5
As much as this song isn’t country, I just love that it’s like a slap in the face to country radio for thinking they can get away with playing Look What God Gave Her, Meant To Be, Blue Tacoma without any sort of disapproval. It’s time to hold radio accountable. I want answers and I want them now. But don't you think radio is being held accountable? Artists don't need it. Kacey has proved this. Church has. Ashley McBryde. I know in a perfect world radio would be exactly what we all want to hear (spoiler, we all want to hear different things, so that will never happen) but radio means so little now. I know it helps break artists, but so many don't need it now. With so many different outlets, radio is no where like it used to be and I see it only getting less relevant as time goes on. It is being held accountable simply by the fact it's not make or break if you get played on it. You're getting your answer and you've been getting it for the past 2 years. I think country music is putting out great stuff recently. The names listed above, plus legends like Reba and Brooks and Dunn.... Radio doesn't define the genre. Stop giving them so much power. Or at least stop thinking that they have so much power. They don't. And they are losing it by the day. Very much agree but want to see it take an even further fall. I don’t listen. But I’d like for the Lucie Silva’s, Brandy Clark, Brothers Osborne’s of the world to get more recognition. It still plays quite a big role in an artist such as theirs career. TJ Osborne is very vocal about the frustrations of watching their songs do nothing on the charts. And .indulgecountry Blue Tacoma was the most annoying pop song I heard this year, I think. I fail to see any country elements.
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Post by Naos on Apr 10, 2019 22:33:38 GMT -5
Why does "Blue Tacoma" keep getting thrown around with songs like "Meant to Be"? It doesn't fit the same "not really country" narrative at all. It doesn't work for a lot of the songs typically mentioned. A lot of them do have at least some country elements present or at least fit with the sound country radio is pushing.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 10, 2019 22:41:24 GMT -5
Some artists can break through without radio but I think country is probably the format where radio still matters a lot and many artists still rely on it, so I wouldn’t say it’s not important by any means.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 10, 2019 22:43:25 GMT -5
I think the primary reason why this song doesn’t fit in with country is the beat. Country music doesn’t rely on a heavy beat at all. In trying to think of an example of a country song where the beat is central, I can’t. It’s a genre that focuses primarily on vocals, certain instruments and styles, and lyrics. The presence of the heavy beat on this song cancels out the other elements that might quality it as country. If there was a version issued that replaced the beat with something more subtle, I think it would pass. If you added a heavy beat to any country song, I think it might have the same effect.
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Post by emerald on Apr 10, 2019 23:30:14 GMT -5
This just seems like another "Thrift Shop" scenario where, technically speaking, I can see why someone would think it belongs in said genre, it's just very different from the norm. Which is why I would rather Billboard let audiences decide what represents their taste in music format as opposed to what they arbitrarily decide what belongs in which genre.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 23:32:58 GMT -5
This is more Country than Look What God Gave Her
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 11, 2019 2:17:37 GMT -5
This just seems like another "Thrift Shop" scenario where, technically speaking, I can see why someone would think it belongs in said genre, it's just very different from the norm. Which is why I would rather Billboard let audiences decide what represents their taste in music format as opposed to what they arbitrarily decide what belongs in which genre. But they do that all the time, why in this case it would be any more arbitrary? I mean Post Malone's Sunflower is RAP according to Billboard, when it very clearly isn't. From my point of view, Billboard can decide what they want, country RADIO won't probably play Old Town Road nevertheless.
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Post by aldo01 on Apr 11, 2019 3:53:44 GMT -5
this must be a joke. Just how desperate is Billy Ray Cyrus? He's one of the most irrilevant one hit wonders ever. If anyone had to name 3 Billy Ray Cyrus songs, those would probably be "Achy Breaky Heart", "Achy Breaky Heart 2", "Achy Breaky Heart 25th anniversary edition". Yet he's out there waiting for occasions like this to find new ways to embarass himself and put country music to shame. Thanks to this idiot, this putrid song will probably be re-included in the Hot Country Songs chart. And it will be number 1 obviously. Apparently Aldean's disgusting efforts (such as "Dirt Road Anthem") or FGL's were not bad enough, we will probably have LIL NAS X topping the country charts. Can we get Travis Tritt back now? I'd love to hear what he thinks about this Billy Ray after this. I know what you're getting after, but calling Billy Ray Cyrus a one-hit wonder is irresponsible. He has 7 top ten songs, 13 top 40 songs, and a couple #1 albums. Outside of the country music realm he's known for one song and being the father of Miley Cyrus, but I think most posters on this board understand he's a talented singer with a good, but by no means excellent, career. On topic with this song, I really don't mind it, but it's not the right genre. The era of 2:00 and under songs is here to stay until streaming royalties change (currently payments are made per song, not per minute/second, which means if a label releases a bunch of short songs, more songs can be played, and thus more money), and country will likely follow suit in the next year or two. I'm actually surprised that this isn't #1 on Country Songs honestly...there are no rules about a song needing to be charting on Airplay (plus this was on the chart the week before). Why isn't this the #1 song? I probably went too far calling him a one hit wonder. What I meant is that even though he did have some hits in his career, I personally can't even recall them. And I don't think a lot of people can as well. If you take 90's guys like Tracy Lawrence or Tracy Byrd (and they were not my favorite artists for sure), I can still name you 4/5 of their hits. While I do remember the titles of some Billy Ray Cyrus songs (She's not Crying Anymore, Busy Man) and while he's undoubtly talented (as his voice is fantastic), I can't recall how those songs sound. And I even liked them. But I know, this is just my opinion and I was being driven by anger at this horrible move to jump on the spotlight just for the money. I do not think this should chart at all in country. The fact that Billy Ray is involved does not make this song country in any mean. Should The Chainsmokers have a country hit because Kelsea Ballerini sings in their hit "This Feeling" then? I don't think so. Nothing is country about this. P.S. and no, I am not a country purist. I love Brett Eldredge, Brett Young, Keith Urban and a lot of stuff that many people would call today's pop country. David Nail is in my profile picture. But if we let rap songs like this hit number one on a country chart, we're totally destroying the genre.
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Post by jimmy's carhartt on Apr 11, 2019 14:13:22 GMT -5
I know what you're getting after, but calling Billy Ray Cyrus a one-hit wonder is irresponsible. He has 7 top ten songs, 13 top 40 songs, and a couple #1 albums. Outside of the country music realm he's known for one song and being the father of Miley Cyrus, but I think most posters on this board understand he's a talented singer with a good, but by no means excellent, career. On topic with this song, I really don't mind it, but it's not the right genre. The era of 2:00 and under songs is here to stay until streaming royalties change (currently payments are made per song, not per minute/second, which means if a label releases a bunch of short songs, more songs can be played, and thus more money), and country will likely follow suit in the next year or two. I'm actually surprised that this isn't #1 on Country Songs honestly...there are no rules about a song needing to be charting on Airplay (plus this was on the chart the week before). Why isn't this the #1 song? I probably went too far calling him a one hit wonder. What I meant is that even though he did have some hits in his career, I personally can't even recall them. And I don't think a lot of people can as well. If you take 90's guys like Tracy Lawrence or Tracy Byrd (and they were not my favorite artists for sure), I can still name you 4/5 of their hits. While I do remember the titles of some Billy Ray Cyrus songs (She's not Crying Anymore, Busy Man) and while he's undoubtly talented (as his voice is fantastic), I can't recall how those songs sound. And I even liked them. But I know, this is just my opinion and I was being driven by anger at this horrible move to jump on the spotlight just for the money. I do not think this should chart at all in country. The fact that Billy Ray is involved does not make this song country in any mean. Should The Chainsmokers have a country hit because Kelsea Ballerini sings in their hit "This Feeling" then? I don't think so. Nothing is country about this. P.S. and no, I am not a country purist. I love Brett Eldredge, Brett Young, Keith Urban and a lot of stuff that many people would call today's pop country. David Nail is in my profile picture. But if we let rap songs like this hit number one on a country chart, we're totally destroying the genre. If you want to feel depressed about how far Billy Ray has fallen, go listen to "Could've Been Me".
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Post by gardyfan on Apr 11, 2019 14:24:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't say he's necessarily fallen. He released several albums after he didn't have a major label deal. Most of it is still good. Lots of others have fallen of the face of the earth.
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Post by kcaviator on Apr 11, 2019 15:21:41 GMT -5
Little Nas X is thanking FGL and Boobie Rexha for opening the door. The destruction of country music and “country” radio continues.
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Post by Kris on Apr 11, 2019 17:48:57 GMT -5
What's the definition of a country song? The definition of a country song is what you want it to be. People bickering over what they deem country or not country are just arguing what their opinion of country music is. Someone in 1960 would argue that most modern country "isn't country." because it's not what they're familiar with. OTR has elements of country in it. Is it pure country? No. Is it part country? Yes. Therefore I believe it can be played on country radio.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 19:37:15 GMT -5
This likely won't get much airplay to chart inside the top 50 anyway, similar to Hey Brother by Avicii.
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Post by Mayman on Apr 11, 2019 21:15:02 GMT -5
Little Nas X is thanking FGL and Boobie Rexha for opening the door. The destruction of country music and “country” radio continues. It isn't THAT serious
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