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Post by Naos on Apr 23, 2019 13:51:49 GMT -5
Thomas Rhett's situation isn't comparable. He's promoted by country stations, marketed as a country artist, and produces a lot of country material in his albums. That's why Taylor Swift's 'Red' era has singles that got country airplay, as did "Shake It Off".
That aside, this re-enters at #50 on Country Airplay.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 23, 2019 13:55:34 GMT -5
Thomas Rhett's situation isn't comparable. He's promoted by country stations, marketed as a country artist, and produces a lot of country material in his albums. Yeah but why do country stations and record labels get to dictate what is or isn’t country? That Thomas Rhett song I heard is less country sounding than Walk Me Home by Pink. Why does he get a free pass? Taylor got a free pass for a bit too until country radio decided she wasn’t faking the going pop thing and dropped her.
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Post by Naos on Apr 23, 2019 14:03:21 GMT -5
Thomas Rhett's situation isn't comparable. He's promoted by country stations, marketed as a country artist, and produces a lot of country material in his albums. Yeah but why do country stations and record labels get to dictate what is or isn’t country? That Thomas Rhett song I heard is less country sounding than Walk Me Home by Pink. Why does he get a free pass? Taylor got a free pass for a bit too until country radio decided she wasn’t faking the going pop thing and dropped her. Considering country is very much a radio-oriented genre, and often shows what the country audiences are consuming, it makes sense. Is not country radio though. Thomas is again, marketed as a country artist, he has plenty of country songs on his albums as well. He still makes country music. If he went full pop and went to CHR, "Look What God Gave Her" likely wouldn't shouldn't the country songs chart. "Meant to Be" didn't chart till getting a notable amount of country airplay, and a lot of people had an issue with that song as well.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 23, 2019 15:02:16 GMT -5
Country radio refuses to play genuine country music these days, so I don't trust them anyway. But if Billboard is going to use country radio as a barometer, then it needs to be consistent and count "OTR" as country if country radio is playing it.
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Post by raylatch98 on Apr 23, 2019 15:18:54 GMT -5
Country radio refuses to play genuine country music these days, so I don't trust them anyway. But if Billboard is going to use country radio as a barometer, then it needs to be consistent and count "OTR" as country if country radio is playing it. Then let's count Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper "Shallow" as country, and since it charted for a week back in 2014 with country radio let's count "Shake It Off" as well. Also Billboard can do what they want, if they hear this song and they do not hear a country song and deem it isn't so then so what. Billboard and country radio themselves are 2 different entities that are not in lock step. They can both think different from each other.
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Post by Naos on Apr 23, 2019 16:12:39 GMT -5
Country radio refuses to play genuine country music these days, so I don't trust them anyway. But if Billboard is going to use country radio as a barometer, then it needs to be consistent and count "OTR" as country if country radio is playing it. That wasn't the only thing. Lil Nas X is not a country artist and is not promoted as such. There isn't many songs in this vain that did decently on country radio, except maybe Thomas Rhett's "Vacation". Even then, this far more sticks out like a sore thumb.
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Post by seak05 on Apr 23, 2019 17:00:51 GMT -5
I think this gets into the question of what makes something a country song, is it just the song itself? Or also the artist behind it? Lil Nas is not a country artist, but this song has some country markers. Thomas bills himself as a country artist, but look what god gave her has no country markers.
(Ftr I don’t think this song should be on the bb horn country chart, because by and large the people consuming it aren’t country music fans, and the chart has no way to sort that out, but that’s a different issue).
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 23, 2019 17:55:05 GMT -5
Country radio refuses to play genuine country music these days, so I don't trust them anyway. But if Billboard is going to use country radio as a barometer, then it needs to be consistent and count "OTR" as country if country radio is playing it.It'd be one thing if country radio was really playing it. Apparently less than 5 stations have intentionally given it spins: at least 90% of its airplay is coming from one guy (Bobby Bones) playing it on his syndicated show which has a lot of reach because of iHeart Media. The overwhelming majority of country radio PDs are not going to play "Old Town Road." At the end of the day, Lil Nas X and his manager have more or less already admitted that they labeled the song country online as a way to get people's attention and/or to 'troll' the country charts because of the flawed methodology that Hot Country Songs uses (accounting for crossover airplay, etc.) and not because he made a genuine effort to create a country song. Most of the outrage I've seen online is also from people who don't even really listen to country music much (or at all) trying to pretend they know how to accurately label the genre, too.
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Post by matty005 on Apr 23, 2019 18:00:49 GMT -5
Thomas Rhett's situation isn't comparable. He's promoted by country stations, marketed as a country artist, and produces a lot of country material in his albums. Yeah but why do country stations and record labels get to dictate what is or isn’t country? That Thomas Rhett song I heard is less country sounding than Walk Me Home by Pink. Why does he get a free pass? Taylor got a free pass for a bit too until country radio decided she wasn’t faking the going pop thing and dropped her. Country radio didnt really drop Taylor either. She had good success with her Red singles and then didn't release anything to country for 1989 (though Shake It Off did get some curiosity spins).
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Post by kw9461 on Apr 23, 2019 21:42:31 GMT -5
At the end of the day, the argument over whether this is country or not is kind of irrelevant. This is an issue because Billboard has such asinine rules for the Hot Country Songs chart. I think BB made the correct decision to exclude the song, since Nas X's manager basically admitted that this was a publicity stunt. But BB wouldn't have had to make a determination at all if it's rules weren't so stupid. Now they're boxed in, either they leave the song off the charts completely (and endure a media backlash), or have the song spend weeks, if not months at #1 (and endure a backlash from country fans). If anything good comes from this, I hope it's BB having a rethink about their genre charts. If the Hot Country Songs chart gave a true indication of popularity among country listeners (radio and otherwise), it would be perfectly reasonable for the song to chart, regardless of whether or not it is a country song (it wouldn't be anywhere close to #1 though).
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Post by rbundy1987 on May 17, 2019 19:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by josephmorgan on May 28, 2019 19:19:13 GMT -5
Re-enters the country airplay chart at #53, this time billed as the remix featuring Billy Ray Cyrus.
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Post by raylatch98 on May 28, 2019 19:45:26 GMT -5
Please be Bobby Bones doing Bobby Bones things.
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Post by LBTrocks on May 28, 2019 22:24:34 GMT -5
So I actually like this song now, but still don't think it has any business anywhere near country lol.
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Post by Naos on Jun 4, 2019 4:39:42 GMT -5
Country Airplay: #50 (+3)
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Post by someguy on Jun 10, 2019 23:05:45 GMT -5
This falls off of the airplay chart again this week.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 14, 2019 10:15:41 GMT -5
As covered by the Old Crow Medicine Show:
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 18, 2019 17:31:59 GMT -5
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Post by bigd79 on Jul 18, 2019 21:46:50 GMT -5
Say it ain't so, Dolly.
I mean seriously, how are people not completely sick of this crap yet? This song's 15 minutes has GOT to be sitting around 14:59 by now....
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Post by dajross6 on Jul 22, 2019 10:10:24 GMT -5
I still don't understand why this isn't considered a country song. If "The Git Up" is country, this should be. Both are essentially Trap Music sang with a twang. OTR even has Billy Ray on it which probably gives it more country credibility than the other, but who knows.
Congrats on it tying the Billboard Hot 100 record for most weeks at #1 today. Without any huge debuts this week, there's probably a >85% chance this will hold the #1 record next week. People can be annoyed with the song all they want, but the artist went all out for the record, including releasing remixes and marketing it at specific times just to capitalize on chart points to increase his stay at the top. Kudos to him on the achievement.
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Post by countryisking on Jul 22, 2019 10:20:16 GMT -5
I still don't understand why this isn't considered a country song. If "The Git Up" is country, this should be. Both are essentially Trap Music sang with a twang. OTR even has Billy Ray on it which probably gives it more country credibility than the other, but who knows. Congrats on it tying the Billboard Hot 100 record for most weeks at #1 today. Without any huge debuts this week, there's probably a >85% chance this will hold the #1 record next week. People can be annoyed with the song all they want, but the artist went all out for the record, including releasing remixes and marketing it at specific times just to capitalize on chart points to increase his stay at the top. Kudos to him on the achievement. It's not considered a country song because it's "essentially trap music sang with a twang."
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jul 22, 2019 11:45:03 GMT -5
I still don't understand why this isn't considered a country song. If "The Git Up" is country, this should be. Both are essentially Trap Music sang with a twang. OTR even has Billy Ray on it which probably gives it more country credibility than the other, but who knows. Congrats on it tying the Billboard Hot 100 record for most weeks at #1 today. Without any huge debuts this week, there's probably a >85% chance this will hold the #1 record next week. People can be annoyed with the song all they want, but the artist went all out for the record, including releasing remixes and marketing it at specific times just to capitalize on chart points to increase his stay at the top. Kudos to him on the achievement. It's not considered a country song because it's "essentially trap music sang with a twang." Modern country music that kills on country radio is essentially pop music sang with a twang.
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Post by dajross6 on Jul 22, 2019 14:10:32 GMT -5
I still don't understand why this isn't considered a country song. If "The Git Up" is country, this should be. Both are essentially Trap Music sang with a twang. OTR even has Billy Ray on it which probably gives it more country credibility than the other, but who knows. Congrats on it tying the Billboard Hot 100 record for most weeks at #1 today. Without any huge debuts this week, there's probably a >85% chance this will hold the #1 record next week. People can be annoyed with the song all they want, but the artist went all out for the record, including releasing remixes and marketing it at specific times just to capitalize on chart points to increase his stay at the top. Kudos to him on the achievement. It's not considered a country song because it's "essentially trap music sang with a twang." Yeah I would definitely not try to put a box around "trap music without a twang is not country music" as there are examples to the contrary already. I still think it should be decided that a song can only chart on the HCS chart if it's a top 40 airplay song in it's lifetime, but I'm not in charge of the charts to try and make sense of what genre a song belongs in. OTR sounds like a country song to me but I only recently began thinking that way after hearing some newer country songs that were hilariously less country than this.
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Post by d3vin44 on Jul 22, 2019 15:13:38 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion, but I actually enjoy this song and the Bill Ray remix sounds quite a bit more country than other songs on Country radio.
Side note, Kacey Musgraves retweeted something last week about a fan requesting a "High Horse"/"Old Town Road" remix, and then posted a picture of a horse on a disco ball without a caption on Instagram, and fans immediately assumed this is a hint at something to come.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 17:36:56 GMT -5
I get this not being on HCS because most country fans are not into it and never made an impact on country radio, but The Git Up pretty much falls into the same category. It would certainly had challenged Meant to Be with the record of longest stay at #1 if it was allowed to chart, which would had been very interesting to watch but whatever. Also, this thread should be locked, no?
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 22, 2019 17:50:58 GMT -5
I get this not being on HCS because most country fans are not into it and never made an impact on country radio, but The Git Up pretty much falls into the same category. It would certainly had challenged Meant to Be with the record of longest stay at #1 if it was allowed to chart, which would had been very interesting to watch but whatever. Also, this thread should be locked, no? I do not want this thread locked because of the following: 1. I would like the healthy discussion continue. 2. This single has made brief appearances on BOTH airplay and hot country songs charts.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 25, 2019 9:10:59 GMT -5
Let's make the daring prediction now: A seventeenth week at the top of the Hot 100 is guaranteed, breaking the record of One Sweet Day and Despacito.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Jul 25, 2019 10:06:23 GMT -5
Here is what I don't get. This song has multiple remixes. That shouldn't count in terms of airplay to remain on top.
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Post by Gary on Jul 25, 2019 10:09:54 GMT -5
The remixes aren't really getting airplay?
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Post by dajross6 on Jul 25, 2019 12:57:56 GMT -5
Here is what I don't get. This song has multiple remixes. That shouldn't count in terms of airplay to remain on top. It's streaming that is keeping it on top. It's already cratering down the airplay charts towards #20, but user generated videos on YouTube are keeping the song (even gaining) about 20%+ above the #2 song. Adding remixes on a weekly basis now isn't hurting as well. The Hot 100 formula makes airplay almost a non-factor because there's a theoretical limit as to what max airplay impressions would be at. There's no such maximum for streaming, so for most of the weeks on top (all but maybe one or two), OTR would have been #1 if radio didn't spin it a single time. The fact the song has dominated so much in weeks 14-17 is really curious. Obviously Lil Nas X has turned the Billboard screws, using their formula and remixes to obtain a maximum number of points. Is that bad? Probably not because I would do the same thing in that spot and had probably the most coveted Billboard record in reach. Nas was even a member of ATRL (apparently) and even chimed in on their Hot 100 threads, so we're talking about someone who is a huge fan of the charts and their history. It's actually pretty exciting. I could see the song on top for a handful of weeks yet unless there's a monster release by a A+ artist like Adele in the next month.
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