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Post by seak05 on Jun 18, 2019 9:44:12 GMT -5
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Post by Jrod82 on Jun 18, 2019 10:10:27 GMT -5
It plays for me but no sound at all.
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Post by collinkottke on Jun 18, 2019 11:29:49 GMT -5
I would say that this is the second best single in the comeback era of Garth (behind "Ask Me How I Know"). It's fun and catchy and I am always a sucker to hear Garth's lower register so it was nice to hear that and Blake down there too. If "All Day Long" could get to #11 on the Billboard Country Airplay Chart, this should get to at least that level too. I'd be fairly shocked if a Garth duet with Blake doesn't at least make the Top 10.
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Post by stanches2318 on Jun 19, 2019 9:28:46 GMT -5
I still haven’t heard it. I can’t wait to hear it. He is my all time favorite solo artist. Plus besides “God Country” Blake is one of my favorite males in music today.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 19, 2019 11:25:59 GMT -5
This debuted at #34 on the rolling chart.
Top 20 debut on Billboard seems imminent if the gains follow through until Monday.
ETA: This song is essentially, "Beer Run" part 2. lol
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Post by McCreerian on Jun 19, 2019 15:27:10 GMT -5
I haven't heard it and really don't care to thanks to his attitude. If he can't be like normal artists these days and put it on Apple music then I'm not going out of my way.
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Post by drock89 on Jun 19, 2019 16:11:42 GMT -5
I haven't heard it and really don't care to thanks to his attitude. If he can't be like normal artists these days and put it on Apple music then I'm not going out of my way. Shame you feel this way. Garth is doing the exact same thing that Taylor did; fighting for fair compensation for songwriters and publishers. If Apple isn't willing to pay what he feels is appropriate, then he won't let them have it. He addressed the fact that he may be limiting the spread of his music in an interview with Billboard: "Of course you're limiting the ability for them to find you, but at the same time, you're not just giving it away ... So I think what you do is you just play your music the way you play it, protect the music the best you can, and when you do that, whatever happens, happens ... So it only makes sense that we might not play the game the way other people do. In this business we think there's a right or wrong way. And so if you don't play like the other guys do, you're in the wrong. But you've got to understand, our motivators are not the same as the other ones. It doesn't make us better than them. It doesn't make us less than them. It's just we don't have to make that quarter earnings report." www.billboard.com/articles/news/8516342/garth-brooks-interview-blake-shelton-duet-touring-stadiums-exclusiveAnd, of course, Spotify changed their contracts to accommodate Taylor, not the other way around.
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jacobl18
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Post by jacobl18 on Jun 20, 2019 5:50:10 GMT -5
Taylor spoke out to support smaller artist and get them fairly compensated. Garth only cares about how HE can make the most money and that is by signing exclusive deals for his music like with Amazon, Walmart, Target ect.
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Post by mamasboy on Jun 20, 2019 6:11:58 GMT -5
Yet another Garth single that I will never hear. Oh well...
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Post by thewp on Jun 20, 2019 7:21:23 GMT -5
Taylor spoke out to support smaller artist and get them fairly compensated. Garth only cares about how HE can make the most money and that is by signing exclusive deals for his music like with Amazon, Walmart, Target ect. Well, he talks in the article linked above about the songwriters on his songs/ albums being fairly compensated and that’s why he’s only with Amazon for streaming and does guaranteed quantities for albums/ vinyl. I guess it’s your prerogative to decide you think he’s lying.
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Post by George Strait Junkie on Jun 20, 2019 9:26:28 GMT -5
I freakin’ love this song its been on repeat that site will have tons of streams by the time it’s available on amazon by me lol its so damn good
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Post by Dustin J. on Jun 20, 2019 10:33:59 GMT -5
Even if I don't agree with an artist's views on something, doesn't mean I can't like and/or appreciate their music.
This is undeniably Garth...doing what he does best. Good stuff and a refreshing COUNTRY song.
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 20, 2019 11:08:31 GMT -5
Taylor spoke out to support smaller artist and get them fairly compensated. Garth only cares about how HE can make the most money and that is by signing exclusive deals for his music like with Amazon, Walmart, Target ect. Well, he talks in the article linked above about the songwriters on his songs/ albums being fairly compensated and that’s why he’s only with Amazon for streaming and does guaranteed quantities for albums/ vinyl. I guess it’s your prerogative to decide you think he’s lying. Except, when he made boxset deals, well, those deals asked songwriters to lower their rates for inclusion. That’s why songs written by Kim Williams were NOT on the “Ultimate” box set. The late writer was one who refused to lower his rates to be included. Garth, who I’m a huge fan of, may claim that he wants to support writers but some of his actions prove otherwise. The streaming thing is another.
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Post by cowboyduck on Jun 20, 2019 12:29:34 GMT -5
Well, he talks in the article linked above about the songwriters on his songs/ albums being fairly compensated and that’s why he’s only with Amazon for streaming and does guaranteed quantities for albums/ vinyl. I guess it’s your prerogative to decide you think he’s lying. Except, when he made boxset deals, well, those deals asked songwriters to lower their rates for inclusion. That’s why songs written by Kim Williams were NOT on the “Ultimate” box set. The late writer was one who refused to lower his rates to be included. Garth, who I’m a huge fan of, may claim that he wants to support writers but some of his actions prove otherwise. The streaming thing is another. The argument for the lower rates on the box set deals is the monster guarantee Garth gets on every one of those deals. The guarantee of a million units or whatever it may be creates a huge profit that would not have existed without the deal for the writer. I get the arguments on both sides.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Jun 20, 2019 15:51:56 GMT -5
I don't see this doing much after its initial week. Once all the excitement of a Blake and Garth team-up dies down, people will realize that this is another snoozer by a guy who we all want to just go away and the radio support will quickly fade. Won't make the top 10. Maybe it'll fizzle out around #15 and be quickly forgotten. No big deal.
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 20, 2019 19:16:15 GMT -5
Except, when he made boxset deals, well, those deals asked songwriters to lower their rates for inclusion. That’s why songs written by Kim Williams were NOT on the “Ultimate” box set. The late writer was one who refused to lower his rates to be included. Garth, who I’m a huge fan of, may claim that he wants to support writers but some of his actions prove otherwise. The streaming thing is another. The argument for the lower rates on the box set deals is the monster guarantee Garth gets on every one of those deals. The guarantee of a million units or whatever it may be creates a huge profit that would not have existed without the deal for the writer. I get the arguments on both sides. Sure, I see both sides too but for a veteran writer to say no, it Has to be quite a bit lower than normal and far against the “better than nothing at all” argument.
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Post by seak05 on Jun 20, 2019 20:16:48 GMT -5
The argument for the lower rates on the box set deals is the monster guarantee Garth gets on every one of those deals. The guarantee of a million units or whatever it may be creates a huge profit that would not have existed without the deal for the writer. I get the arguments on both sides. Sure, I see both sides too but for a veteran writer to say no, it Has to be quite a bit lower than normal and far against the “better than nothing at all” argument. Songwriters want to maximize their revenue. For a writer, selling 100 units of a song requires no more time and effort than selling 5 units, so you don't have to calculate in time expenditures. If Garth can sell 100 units by dropping the price and paying songwriters only .30 that's $30 for the songwriter If keeping a higher price means only selling 50 units, even if songwriters get .50 cents it's only $25 for the songwriter Garth is moving enough units, by lowering the price, that songwriters are probably making more money (than higher price fewer units)
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Post by stanches2318 on Jun 21, 2019 16:50:38 GMT -5
Does anybody have this song yet? im anxious to hear what it sounds like
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Post by Fanofctrymusic on Jun 21, 2019 17:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by jacobl18 on Jun 21, 2019 18:22:43 GMT -5
Sure, I see both sides too but for a veteran writer to say no, it Has to be quite a bit lower than normal and far against the “better than nothing at all” argument. Songwriters want to maximize their revenue. For a writer, selling 100 units of a song requires no more time and effort than selling 5 units, so you don't have to calculate in time expenditures. If Garth can sell 100 units by dropping the price and paying songwriters only .30 that's $30 for the songwriter If keeping a higher price means only selling 50 units, even if songwriters get .50 cents it's only $25 for the songwriter Garth is moving enough units, by lowering the price, that songwriters are probably making more money (than higher price fewer units) Garth has a net worth of $350 million and he’s asking his song writers to take a lower rate......Think about that and then tell me it’s nothing but greed on his end. He has Also released I believe 5 or 6 box sets in the last 15 years with almost exactly the same songs with just a few things different, making his die hard fans that want to own every Garth song double dip on stuff they already have. I’m not saying he doesn’t have the right to do it because that’s capitalism but I also have the right to call him out on his greed and ego.
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 21, 2019 19:00:17 GMT -5
Sure, I see both sides too but for a veteran writer to say no, it Has to be quite a bit lower than normal and far against the “better than nothing at all” argument. Songwriters want to maximize their revenue. For a writer, selling 100 units of a song requires no more time and effort than selling 5 units, so you don't have to calculate in time expenditures. If Garth can sell 100 units by dropping the price and paying songwriters only .30 that's $30 for the songwriter If keeping a higher price means only selling 50 units, even if songwriters get .50 cents it's only $25 for the songwriter Garth is moving enough units, by lowering the price, that songwriters are probably making more money (than higher price fewer units) Yes, I know how it all works. It is just that some writers prefer there to be regular rates or no rates at all, if they own the copyrights, they can do this, if they don’t, the publishers have the right to include them.
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Post by cowboyduck on Jun 21, 2019 20:12:26 GMT -5
Songwriters want to maximize their revenue. For a writer, selling 100 units of a song requires no more time and effort than selling 5 units, so you don't have to calculate in time expenditures. If Garth can sell 100 units by dropping the price and paying songwriters only .30 that's $30 for the songwriter If keeping a higher price means only selling 50 units, even if songwriters get .50 cents it's only $25 for the songwriter Garth is moving enough units, by lowering the price, that songwriters are probably making more money (than higher price fewer units) Garth has a net worth of $350 million and he’s asking his song writers to take a lower rate......Think about that and then tell me it’s nothing but greed on his end. He has Also released I believe 5 or 6 box sets in the last 15 years with almost exactly the same songs with just a few things different, making his die hard fans that want to own every Garth song double dip on stuff they already have. I’m not saying he doesn’t have the right to do it because that’s capitalism but I also have the right to call him out on his greed and ego. To play devils advocate again here, the reduced songwriters cut is not about making Garth money. It’s about keeping prices low and of course, Garth’s obsession with his overall sales numbers. Garth loves the numbers game and I think he genuinely wants to keep prices low for his fans. The fans continue to put up huge numbers for him so I get why he has kept finding ways to serve them at low prices. This is consistent with how low he has kept his show prices for all these years. Anyways, to the real subject. The chart watch here will be fascinating. Dive Bar has been in my head since Tuesday. Certainly his best up-tempo single since the 90’s.
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Post by Jrod82 on Jun 24, 2019 13:48:48 GMT -5
Debuts at #16 on Country Airplay.
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Post by seak05 on Jun 24, 2019 14:36:20 GMT -5
Debuts at #16 on Country Airplay. at least initially, radio seems to be on board with this beyond the initial hourly debut
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Post by jacobl18 on Jun 24, 2019 16:29:22 GMT -5
Prepare for the free fall. #16 will be the peak.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jun 24, 2019 16:37:36 GMT -5
This might be what he needs to FINALLY get that album out. Does anyone know why its not yet available on amazon for people who pre-ordered the album?
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Post by collinkottke on Jun 24, 2019 16:48:23 GMT -5
This might be what he needs to FINALLY get that album out. Does anyone know why its not yet available on amazon for people who pre-ordered the album? I'd assume it has to do with Garth's desire for country radio being the only place you can hear it. That seems like an important thing to him for this single for some reason. I'd assume it'd be up on Amazon on Tuesday after it's "only been on radio" for a week. That's just my feeling of what Garth is going to do. He'll more than likely address it on Inside Studio G this evening.
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Post by thewp on Jun 24, 2019 17:19:53 GMT -5
This might be what he needs to FINALLY get that album out. Does anyone know why its not yet available on amazon for people who pre-ordered the album? He said Dive Bar would be available on Prime Day.
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Post by countryman87 on Jun 26, 2019 18:51:28 GMT -5
For those who haven't heard this yet, here's the link to this song somebody just posted on YouTube. youtu.be/rGlQv76Ohxc
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 1, 2019 14:22:36 GMT -5
I like this but I just don't think it will get any higher than that 10-12 range on the chart, much like "All Day Long." Its two biggest allies is its short at 2:30 in length and it includes Blake. The track doesn't really fit into what corporate radio plays these days. It's far more country than most songs at mainstream radio but something about it just seems run-of-the-mill to me. It stands out now because we've drifted so far from traditional leaning country music on radio these days but if this was released 15-20 years ago, it would be pedestrian.
It's gains have been decent but not extraordinary (averaging about 100 spins gained a day since its 8th day free-fall). We'll see how this one fares but I'd be shocked if it reached #1 and even top 5 seems hard for me to believe. I think Garth had to come back with an uptempo track though, after the decision to release "Stronger Than Me." Garth just releases what he likes and wants out for the masses, doesn't have anyone else advising against his single picks.
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