Post Malone f/ Young Thug - "Goodbyes"

[rfucom]

Kworb itunes is 7hrs late.

[Rocky]

This song is like the less talented younger brother of "Otherside". Still like it, but that might be because I'm generally fond of Post. In any case, I hope it does well.

[ddlz]

I hope it grows on me like Psycho did because I'm not a huge fun of what they did with the final version. I would've taken a different approach to the production.

Ugh, now I wish I haven't listened to the old version so much.

[NeRD]

It's your typical Post song. Smash.

[owenlovesmusic]

Banger!

[owenlovesmusic]

Subtle Bud Light product placement in the music video, which is GREAT by the way.

[woods]

This exceeded my expectations. Very good.

[Mauricio]

It reminded me of creep in the last chorus

[aussie1]

Not his best but not bad, this will be a good playlist filler.

[Normi]

Every single by him had to grow on me (minus Wow) but I eventually liked all of them... This does little for me so far but I know I will love it soon enough

[Au$tin]

Jul 6, 2019 3:05:41 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jul 6, 2019 1:37:40 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I like Goodbyes but agree that Young Thug is bizarre featuring artist on it. He doesn't give anything extra, for neither to the song nor the marketing purposes.

Young Thug is featured on Goodbyes for the exact same reason Quavo was featured on Congratulations, Ty Dolla $ign was featured on Psycho and Swae Lee was featured on Spoil My Night/Sunflower. People on this forum aren't ready to have that conversation, though, so let's just stick to chart discussions.

Uhh... What is this reason you think we're incapable of grasping? Try us.

[rfucom]

Is there an official US spotify number 5M+ is Worldwide.

[thegreatdivine]

Jul 6, 2019 3:48:11 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Jul 6, 2019 3:05:41 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Young Thug is featured on Goodbyes for the exact same reason Quavo was featured on Congratulations, Ty Dolla $ign was featured on Psycho and Swae Lee was featured on Spoil My Night/Sunflower. People on this forum aren't ready to have that conversation, though, so let's just stick to chart discussions.

Uhh... What is this reason you think we're incapable of grasping? Try us.

Never said people were incapable of grasping it, lol. I said they weren't ready to have that conversation.

Post Malone uses Black artists as proxies to have access to a close-enough proximity to Blackness. It's an easy way to fight off accusations of using elements of Black culture in his music/public image without "paying his due". He's a Pop artist who uses rap/hip-hop elements sonically and quite literally, too. That way, he gets the best of both worlds. The positives that comes with making music with Black elements while still being a white artist who enjoys top 40 radio airplay and the support of a predominantly white audience.

[Enigma.]

I love how you wrote "People on this forum aren't ready to have that conversation, though" and posted it in two different threads

[Glove Slap]

Jul 6, 2019 4:59:20 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I love how you wrote "People on this forum aren't ready to have that conversation, though" and posted it in two different threads

Post impacts others to reach multiple threads the way he reaches multiple formats

[mcsteamy]

Post came so hard. I am loving this so much

[cassiuscasanova]

Jul 6, 2019 4:31:39 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jul 6, 2019 3:48:11 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Uhh... What is this reason you think we're incapable of grasping? Try us.

Never said people were incapable of grasping it, lol. I said they weren't ready to have that conversation.

Post Malone uses Black artists as proxies to have access to a close-enough proximity to Blackness. It's an easy way to fight off accusations of using elements of Black culture in his music/public image without "paying his due". He's a Pop artist who uses rap/hip-hop elements sonically and quite literally, too. That way, he gets the best of both worlds. The positives that comes with making music with Black elements while still being a white artist who enjoys top 40 radio airplay and the support of a predominantly white audience.

Well you're not wrong

[Enigma.]

1.84M listens on Spotify. How is this doing on Apple Music?

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Jul 6, 2019 10:05:20 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

1.84M listens on Spotify. How is this doing on Apple Music?

#2, behind Dreamville - Under the Sun (feat. J. Cole, Lute & DaBaby)

[thegreatdivine]

Jul 6, 2019 4:59:20 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I love how you wrote "People on this forum aren't ready to have that conversation, though" and posted it in two different threads

I only posted it in one thread. Au$tin quoted my post from the Hot 100 thread of the week and posted it in this one.

[Enigma.]

Oh didn't realise it was him lol, apologies

[Mayman]

POP
-- 40 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 1095 0 1095 10.206
+ 1095 Spins
+ 1095 Bullet
+ 10.206 Audience

[Au$tin]

Jul 6, 2019 4:31:39 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jul 6, 2019 3:48:11 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Uhh... What is this reason you think we're incapable of grasping? Try us.

Never said people were incapable of grasping it, lol. I said they weren't ready to have that conversation.

Post Malone uses Black artists as proxies to have access to a close-enough proximity to Blackness. It's an easy way to fight off accusations of using elements of Black culture in his music/public image without "paying his due". He's a Pop artist who uses rap/hip-hop elements sonically and quite literally, too. That way, he gets the best of both worlds. The positives that comes with making music with Black elements while still being a white artist who enjoys top 40 radio airplay and the support of a predominantly white audience.

I expected something much snottier and ridiculous than this. Also, as to the "not ready for this conversation" absolutely means people aren't equipped to understand and grasp the conversation. But I do have to agree with you, the majority of the miscreants plaguing this board who would get into discussing this topic wouldn't understand it all and it would just lead to arguments. And you're also not wrong, that is a major reason those musicians are on those tracks (the other being Post actually enjoys those artists and wants them on his tracks regardless).

As for why I quoted you in here: it was to not get the Hot 100 thread off topic.

[Deleted]

Impacting Now, unsurprisingly. Along with Lil Nas X, Kaskade &
Ellie, he’ll most likely beat all of them.

[thegreatdivine]

Jul 6, 2019 19:33:20 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Jul 6, 2019 4:31:39 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Never said people were incapable of grasping it, lol. I said they weren't ready to have that conversation.

Post Malone uses Black artists as proxies to have access to a close-enough proximity to Blackness. It's an easy way to fight off accusations of using elements of Black culture in his music/public image without "paying his due". He's a Pop artist who uses rap/hip-hop elements sonically and quite literally, too. That way, he gets the best of both worlds. The positives that comes with making music with Black elements while still being a white artist who enjoys top 40 radio airplay and the support of a predominantly white audience.

I expected something much snottier and ridiculous than this. Also, as to the "not ready for this conversation" absolutely means people aren't equipped to understand and grasp the conversation. But I do have to agree with you, the majority of the miscreants plaguing this board who would get into discussing this topic wouldn't understand it all and it would just lead to arguments. And you're also not wrong, that is a major reason those musicians are on those tracks (the other being Post actually enjoys those artists and wants them on his tracks regardless).

As for why I quoted you in here: it was to not get the Hot 100 thread off topic.

Yup. I didn't say it was a BAD thing. In every field of endeavor, people use whatever they can to their advantage, especially in music. Ariana was a full-on POP artist till she saw that "urban" music was really where it was and you can see the changes she made sonically from Sweetener to thank u, next. She sounds like a white girl trying to be Black on that album, but it worked and she saw massive commercial success. I was just trying to say that I peep what he's doing, lol.

And yes, if I had tried to have this conversation somewhere else, I'd get attacked and it'd turn into a pointless argument. I actually enjoy Post's music. I think he's talented. Doesn't mean certain things can't be called out for what they are. I'm a Drake fan and I can admit that he makes as many styles of music as he does to tap into as many audiences as possible. It's a huge reason why he's as famous/successful as he is. He does a lot of things well enough.

I have no doubt that Post is friends who the artists he works with and that he enjoys working with them, but as you said, it's only a part of the reason why he does work with them. I can say the same for Maroon 5 and how they've featured a Black rapper/singer on all their major singles since they featured Wiz Khalifa on Payphone off their 2012 album, Overexposed. It's not a mistake, lol. They know the audience pool they tap into by having prominent Black artists on their singles.

It's just interesting seeing how various artists from different races/nationalities/backgrounds navigate through the industry while trying to advance their careers.

[thegreatdivine]

Jul 6, 2019 10:51:48 GMT -5 Mayman said:

POP
-- 40 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 1095 0 1095 10.206
+ 1095 Spins
+ 1095 Bullet
+ 10.206 Audience

If Drake made this EXACT same song, he wouldn't get this kind of airplay, lol.

[nick64]

Jul 6, 2019 19:55:15 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jul 6, 2019 10:51:48 GMT -5 Mayman said:

POP
-- 40 POST MALONE Goodbyes f/Young Thug 1095 0 1095 10.206
+ 1095 Spins
+ 1095 Bullet
+ 10.206 Audience

If Drake made this EXACT same song, he wouldn't get this kind of airplay, lol.

Okay I've agreed with everything you mentioned on the topic so far, but this comment seems out of place. First of all, huge first updates are typically because of radio deals (I'm assuming this one had one, but someone correct me if I'm wrong), so if Drake launched this song on pop with a deal, it'd probably do about this well, give or take a couple hundred. Second, Drake hasn't catered to pop in the same way Post has. I mean Post has five straight Top 5s in just over a year, he's gonna get interest on the format. Drake's Scorpion hits certainly did very well on the format for the type of song that they are (when you compare them to his previous pop hits, they are significantly more hip-hop oriented), but they aren't as pop friendly as Post's recent string of hits. I only mention this because he has made songs that cater to pop before, so it just doesn't seem to be his focus right now. And finally, Drake is such a weird choice to pick, because I'd agree with you about literally ANY other rapper lol. Drake actually has garnered quite a bit of credit on the format, so if any hip-hop artist other than Post could pull this debut, it's him.

[Enigma.]

Drake is even bigger POP star than Post Malone tbf. "Pop star" is more than doing well on just a radio format. Rihanna is a pop star too despite not having #1 hits in one particular format (any more).

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Jul 7, 2019 0:08:09 GMT -5 nick64 said:

Jul 6, 2019 19:55:15 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

If Drake made this EXACT same song, he wouldn't get this kind of airplay, lol.

I mean Post has five straight Top 5s in just over a year.

Not true. The 4 are Psycho, Better Now,
Sunflower & Wow. Rockstar of course hit Top 5 but in between Rockstar & Psycho was I Fall Apart.

[#LisaRinna]

Nobody doing the update?