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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 24, 2020 14:34:15 GMT -5
"LA" is gorgeous and I'm definitely very excited for the album between the 3 songs we've heard so far. The lead single is still my favorite though and while it's moving a little slow at radio right and it may not reach #1 in the end, I'd say it's done and will do a lot more for her career than "Legends" did as the lead-off to her last record.
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Post by hazmat on Jan 24, 2020 21:18:38 GMT -5
This is the first time I haven’t been excited about a Kelsea album, and I’m bummed to feel this way.
The production on the first three singles has been bland and unexciting. “club” is nothing new, “homecoming queen” is forgettable and doesn’t have repeat power. “la” feels unrelatable and as though shes complaining about not being famous enough for LA but too famous for Nashville.
I hope there are some standouts on the album, as I was expecting this third record to be a career changer for her, but so far I’m not expecting too much, sad to say.
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Post by d3vin44 on Jan 29, 2020 11:24:06 GMT -5
I'm not a big Kelsea fan, this song to me is just ok. I think she really missed out by not including "Better Luck Next Time" on the album. It would have also made for a great lead single. I know it was featured on a TV show, but it gets no radio play and has twice as many streams on Spotify as "homecoming queen?". I also feel like the sound/style of "Better Luck Next Time" really fits Kelsea well, and I would love to hear more of that from her. I don't know why she is so hit or miss with me, but I've LOVED "Peter Pan", "I Hate Love Songs", "Miss Me More" and "Better Luck Next Time", where as her other singles have not moved the needle much for me.
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Post by musicspy on Jan 29, 2020 18:24:07 GMT -5
I'm not a big Kelsea fan, this song to me is just ok. I think she really missed out by not including "Better Luck Next Time" on the album. It would have also made for a great lead single. I know it was featured on a TV show, but it gets no radio play and has twice as many streams on Spotify as "homecoming queen?". I also feel like the sound/style of "Better Luck Next Time" really fits Kelsea well, and I would love to hear more of that from her. I don't know why she is so hit or miss with me, but I've LOVED "Peter Pan", "I Hate Love Songs", "Miss Me More" and "Better Luck Next Time", where as her other singles have not moved the needle much for me. So so true
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 16:58:17 GMT -5
I'm a huge Kelsea fan and "Better Luck Next Time" is not a personal favorite. I kind of view it as gimmick song. I'm glad they left it off the album.
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Post by justin5545 on Feb 7, 2020 10:53:06 GMT -5
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Post by taylor on Feb 7, 2020 11:26:22 GMT -5
Lovely performances! I'd just gotten around to finally giving "la" a listen right before seeing the above post and she's 3 for 3 with me on this album. "club" is definitely my least favorite of the three, with "la" in the middle and "homecoming queen?" still my favorite. I especially like that line in "la" that asks "will Tennessee be mad at me?" I thought that was a bit of a telling line.
Can't wait for this album!
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 7, 2020 13:52:55 GMT -5
She looked and sounded so good on Jimmy Kimmel Live. Both of those performances were great. She really continues to blossom into a better performer every time I see a new live appearance from her. I'm excited to see her star keep growing and for her to keep delivering high quality cuts like "Homecoming Queen?" and "LA" because she's definitely strong with her pen game. Kelsea is just so talented.
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Post by austin on Feb 22, 2020 12:25:05 GMT -5
Her lead single being passed by Maren, Gabby, and now Carly can't be what her label envisioned for her lead single from a new era. I know its a risky choice, but still sucks to see this one stalling in the teens. I think in March when the record drops, they should stop promoting this one and move to a more radio-friendly and upbeat single for Summer (assuming there is one on the album - 'club' ain't it.)
I do like this song, I just don't think they should waste time promoting it at radio after the album is out.
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Post by recordyear on Feb 22, 2020 22:43:42 GMT -5
Her lead single being passed by Maren, Gabby, and now Carly can't be what her label envisioned for her lead single from a new era. I know its a risky choice, but still sucks to see this one stalling in the teens. I think in March when the record drops, they should stop promoting this one and move to a more radio-friendly and upbeat single for Summer (assuming there is one on the album - 'club' ain't it.) I do like this song, I just don't think they should waste time promoting it at radio after the album is out. I think they will push the song that is co-written with Ed Sheeran. Isn't that the point of superstar songwriting collab? (Except for Keith Urban's case)
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Post by kf1992 on Feb 23, 2020 4:09:55 GMT -5
Her lead single being passed by Maren, Gabby, and now Carly can't be what her label envisioned for her lead single from a new era. I know its a risky choice, but still sucks to see this one stalling in the teens. I think in March when the record drops, they should stop promoting this one and move to a more radio-friendly and upbeat single for Summer (assuming there is one on the album - 'club' ain't it.) I do like this song, I just don't think they should waste time promoting it at radio after the album is out. I think they will push the song that is co-written with Ed Sheeran. Isn't that the point of superstar songwriting collab? (Except for Keith Urban's case) A while ago Kelsea hinted that the next single is going to be The Other Girl feat. Halsey, so hopefully they will push the song along with the album release.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 8:42:35 GMT -5
Hopefully, life can breathed back into this single. It did regain its bullet on Mediabase after losing it for a few days earlier this week, but as others have pointed out, its chart run has not been ideal for a lead, particularly coming off of “Miss Me More.”
“club” and “la” are both decent songs (the latter being the better of the two, IMO), but not well-developed for country radio. It’ll be interesting to see how the label proceeds with “homecoming queen?” and how soon single #2 will be shipped to radio following the album release. I can’t imagine they’d pull this track without it at least hitting the Top 10.
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 23, 2020 9:08:43 GMT -5
Hopefully, life can breathed back into this single. It did regain its bullet on Mediabase after losing it for a few days earlier this week, but as others have pointed out, its chart run has not been ideal for a lead, particularly coming off of “Miss Me More.” “club” and “la” are both decent songs (the latter being the better of the two, IMO), but not well-developed for country radio. It’ll be interesting to see how the label proceeds with “homecoming queen?” and how soon single #2 will be shipped to radio following the album release. I can’t imagine they’d pull this track without it at least hitting the Top 10.I can. "Homecoming Queen" on Mediabase is probably 9th in line right now for the Top 10 (Ingrid, Riley, Gabby, Carly, Morgan Wallen, in addition to newer singles from Thomas Rhett, Luke Combs, and Blake Shelton will probably pass Kelsea Ballerini before she would contend for the Top 10), also she needs around 1300 more spins before entering the Top 10 and assuming the label promotes this for two more months (8 weeks approximately) in order to get the Top 10, Kelsea Ballerini would have to gain on average 150 spins from here on out, and given how much this song has struggled since the new year I doubt it will be able to do that The label needs to promote this til the album drops, drop this single the week after the album drops and get a feel for what the general public likes most among all the songs on the album.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Feb 28, 2020 0:08:19 GMT -5
“hole in the bottle” is out now. It’s probably the most country thing Kelsea has done and I love it! There’s an interesting blend between the country melody and the beat that I think works.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 8:03:04 GMT -5
“hole in the bottle” is the only track she’s released from the forthcoming album that sounds like a potential single. I really appreciate how she blended her pop-R&B inclinations with a traditional country arrangement. It’ll be interesting to hear how it fits alongside the other tracks on the LP.
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Post by SHOOTER on Feb 28, 2020 15:14:31 GMT -5
hole in the bottle is so damn catchy and I love how the traditional country and contemporary pop elements are juxtaposed together in the production. Plus the length of it is ripe for playlisting and repeat listens. Make this a single!
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Post by tryexp on Feb 28, 2020 16:31:29 GMT -5
I really hope Hole In The Bottle gets released at some point, it's such a fun feel good silly song that I think shows a different side of Kelsea, besides being catchy as hell. My favourite so far, with homecoming queen just behind, but if this single doesn't continue to rise might be time to move on.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 29, 2020 14:29:39 GMT -5
"Hole in the Bottle" is so good! I've loved all the songs she's released from the forthcoming record so far, but that one might be my favorite. It's between that and the lead single, anyway. Would be 100% on board with it being a single.
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Post by raylatch98 on Feb 29, 2020 15:09:13 GMT -5
I like "Hole in The Bottle" just fine, but I don't agree with it being a single since it is so short. As much as some singles shouldn't be singles for being so long, "Hole In The Bottle" is the opposite as it not including the intro and outro with the female announcing voice, clocks in at just over two minutes and most songs on country radio clock in around 3 minutes. The only single I can think of that was released to country radio that is around the same length was Kip Moore's "I'm To Blame" which barely made the Top 20. As a rule of thumb on country radio labels, very rarely release a single that is under or around 2 and a half minutes.
I really wish the song was a bit longer as then I'd be all on board with it as a single, but due to the short length I am really hesitant.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 29, 2020 15:43:35 GMT -5
I like "Hole in The Bottle" just fine, but I don't agree with it being a single since it is so short. As much as some singles shouldn't be singles for being so long, "Hole In The Bottle" is the opposite as it not including the intro and outro with the female announcing voice, clocks in at just over two minutes and most songs on country radio clock in around 3 minutes. The only single I can think of that was released to country radio that is around the same length was Kip Moore's "I'm To Blame" which barely made the Top 20. As a rule of thumb on country radio labels, very rarely release a single that is under or around 2 and a half minutes. I really wish the song was a bit longer as then I'd be all on board with it as a single, but due to the short length I am really hesitant. Lol nah, some of the biggest hits of country music in the past were in the 2 minute range. It's not as common anymore for songs to be that short, but it's definitely not gonna be an issue with country radio. Due to streaming, some popular acts are starting to shorten the length of their songs to take advantage of that replay value to boost their music, so it was only a matter of time before it started to spill over into country music some. I think shorter songs are going to start becoming less of an anomaly again.
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Post by bboat11 on Mar 1, 2020 5:27:07 GMT -5
I like "Hole in The Bottle" just fine, but I don't agree with it being a single since it is so short. As much as some singles shouldn't be singles for being so long, "Hole In The Bottle" is the opposite as it not including the intro and outro with the female announcing voice, clocks in at just over two minutes and most songs on country radio clock in around 3 minutes. The only single I can think of that was released to country radio that is around the same length was Kip Moore's "I'm To Blame" which barely made the Top 20. As a rule of thumb on country radio labels, very rarely release a single that is under or around 2 and a half minutes. I really wish the song was a bit longer as then I'd be all on board with it as a single, but due to the short length I am really hesitant. Radio pds can choose to play it instead of other female songs, and thereby spend less time playing female artists! It's a win-win!
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Post by raylatch98 on Mar 15, 2020 17:37:54 GMT -5
I am curious how much higher this can get. "Homecoming Queen" is up to #17 on Mediabase and this song has gained 213 spins and about 1344k in audience (on average that is about 336k in audience a week and around 53 spins a week. I can see the label post album drop holding onto this song for a while despite the album being dropped this upcoming week, as while the gains are slow this song is still gaining (10 spins this week). That being said this song has been in Top 20 rotation on Mediabase since December, and has never gotten any higher than #17
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Post by aldo01 on Mar 20, 2020 11:13:34 GMT -5
The way radio is ignoring this song baffles me. The album dropped today and it is going to be a smash. Kelsea Ballerini is one of the hottest stars not just in country music, but in music today. And "Homecoming Queen?" is a good song, with a great vocal performance. Yet it's not even going to hit the top 15.
Meanwhile, Jason Aldean will go to number one whatever he releases. I think 12 of his last 15 singles sound the same, and his latest "hit" We back (which is a fake hit clearly cause NO ONE LIKES THE SONG) might be the most vapid and irrelevant songs to ever hit country radio.
I might be wrong, but I think radio is not connecting with listeners' taste anymore. Streaming will take over it soon, and if radio keeps behaving this way it totally deserves its decline -and fall to irrelevance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 13:45:12 GMT -5
I think radio is right this time in not letting this go up much because sales and streaming are awful. Hopefully she has a big hit on the new album.
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Post by raylatch98 on Mar 20, 2020 14:06:05 GMT -5
The way radio is ignoring this song baffles me. The album dropped today and it is going to be a smash. Kelsea Ballerini is one of the hottest stars not just in country music, but in music today. And "Homecoming Queen?" is a good song, with a great vocal performance. Yet it's not even going to hit the top 15. Meanwhile, Jason Aldean will go to number one whatever he releases. I think 12 of his last 15 singles sound the same, and his latest "hit" We back (which is a fake hit clearly cause NO ONE LIKES THE SONG) might be the most vapid and irrelevant songs to ever hit country radio. I might be wrong, but I think radio is not connecting with listeners' taste anymore. Streaming will take over it soon, and if radio keeps behaving this way it totally deserves its decline -and fall to irrelevance. I don't think "Homecoming Queen" though is the song to compare as some big hit. Besides Jason Aldean, Kenny Chesney and Scotty McCreery "Homecoming Queen" has the lowest sales of all the songs in the Top 20 on Mediabase that are being actively promoted. Like I get the frustration but "Homecoming Queen" is not some tour de force hit and Jason Aldean has made it as high as he has with "We Back" because he is one of the biggest names in country music and arguably one of the biggest faces of the genre. If you ask 100 people if they have heard of Kelsea Ballerini or Jason Aldean they are probably gonna say Jason Aldean a bit more than Kelsea Ballerini. I will also say country radio has so far in 2020 has really played the songs that have connected with listeners as sans "Make Me Want To" all the songs that have hit #1 in 2020 ("Ridin' Roads", "What If I Never Get Over You", "10,000 Hours", "The Bones", "Heartache Medication", "Kinfolks", and "Homesick") have all been very solid hits and connects with listeners. I do think streaming is important but country radio is still an overall vital part in a lot of artists success. I still like Kelsea Ballerini and her new album is solid on a first listen, and their are some potential hits on this album (both collaborations especially), but "Homecoming Queen" has probably done just about as well it should have given the overall mediocre buzz around it
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 20, 2020 15:39:36 GMT -5
"Homecoming Queen?" was consistently in the top 100 of iTunes for a very long time. It only recently in the past couple months started to slip lower with its position there. It was selling pretty well early on and its streaming numbers seemed fine to me. It's disappointing that it's lingered just inside the bottom of the top 20 at radio for so long not really moving, because I definitely think this one deserved a better shake than it's gotten. That said, with the album out now, I kinda hope at this point that they just try to push this one for maybe another month at the most to get it closer to the top 10, and then maybe in May they can drop single #2. They've definitely got some great single options to work with.
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Post by aldo01 on Mar 20, 2020 19:01:04 GMT -5
The way radio is ignoring this song baffles me. The album dropped today and it is going to be a smash. Kelsea Ballerini is one of the hottest stars not just in country music, but in music today. And "Homecoming Queen?" is a good song, with a great vocal performance. Yet it's not even going to hit the top 15. Meanwhile, Jason Aldean will go to number one whatever he releases. I think 12 of his last 15 singles sound the same, and his latest "hit" We back (which is a fake hit clearly cause NO ONE LIKES THE SONG) might be the most vapid and irrelevant songs to ever hit country radio. I might be wrong, but I think radio is not connecting with listeners' taste anymore. Streaming will take over it soon, and if radio keeps behaving this way it totally deserves its decline -and fall to irrelevance. I don't think "Homecoming Queen" though is the song to compare as some big hit. Besides Jason Aldean, Kenny Chesney and Scotty McCreery "Homecoming Queen" has the lowest sales of all the songs in the Top 20 on Mediabase that are being actively promoted. Like I get the frustration but "Homecoming Queen" is not some tour de force hit and Jason Aldean has made it as high as he has with "We Back" because he is one of the biggest names in country music and arguably one of the biggest faces of the genre. If you ask 100 people if they have heard of Kelsea Ballerini or Jason Aldean they are probably gonna say Jason Aldean a bit more than Kelsea Ballerini. I will also say country radio has so far in 2020 has really played the songs that have connected with listeners as sans "Make Me Want To" all the songs that have hit #1 in 2020 ("Ridin' Roads", "What If I Never Get Over You", "10,000 Hours", "The Bones", "Heartache Medication", "Kinfolks", and "Homesick") have all been very solid hits and connects with listeners. I do think streaming is important but country radio is still an overall vital part in a lot of artists success. I still like Kelsea Ballerini and her new album is solid on a first listen, and their are some potential hits on this album (both collaborations especially), but "Homecoming Queen" has probably done just about as well it should have given the overall mediocre buzz around it Sorry, but as .indulgecountry noted, "Homecoming queen" has been selling for a very long time and it's obviously having bad sales now. But I would also like to point out how Kelsea Ballerini's streaming numbers are actually more important than Aldean's numbers: "Homecoming Queen" music video has less than 10 Million views on youtube, while "We Back" has more than 15 Million. At first, one might think that Aldean's song has done better on streaming than Kelsea Ballerini's. But if you look deeper, you'll notice how interaction rate betrays Aldean's numbers: "Homecoming Queen" has 72k likes and almost 3k comments, "We Back" has less than 50k likes and less than 1k comments. This is the evidence of how people were way more interested in "Homecoming Queen". I would also like to point out that "Homecoming Queen" has more likes and comments than "Ridin Roads", "The Bones", "Heartache Medication" and "Kinfolks"...
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Post by recordyear on Mar 20, 2020 19:10:09 GMT -5
But I would also like to point out how Kelsea Ballerini's streaming numbers are actually more important than Aldean's numbers: "Homecoming Queen" music video has less than 10 Million views on youtube, while "We Back" has more than 15 Million. At first, one might think that Aldean's song has done better on streaming than Kelsea Ballerini's. But if you look deeper, you'll notice how interaction rate betrays Aldean's numbers: "Homecoming Queen" has 72k likes and almost 3k comments, "We Back" has less than 50k likes and less than 1k comments. This is the evidence of how people were way more interested in "Homecoming Queen". I would also like to point out that "Homecoming Queen" has more likes and comments than "Ridin Roads", "The Bones", "Heartache Medication" and "Kinfolks"... Wow that basic tour video got 15 million views?!But don't forget the music video for this song used premiere function. It's bound to have more engagements from her die-hard fans than other videos that don't use the function.
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Post by raylatch98 on Mar 20, 2020 19:36:54 GMT -5
I don't think "Homecoming Queen" though is the song to compare as some big hit. Besides Jason Aldean, Kenny Chesney and Scotty McCreery "Homecoming Queen" has the lowest sales of all the songs in the Top 20 on Mediabase that are being actively promoted. Like I get the frustration but "Homecoming Queen" is not some tour de force hit and Jason Aldean has made it as high as he has with "We Back" because he is one of the biggest names in country music and arguably one of the biggest faces of the genre. If you ask 100 people if they have heard of Kelsea Ballerini or Jason Aldean they are probably gonna say Jason Aldean a bit more than Kelsea Ballerini. I will also say country radio has so far in 2020 has really played the songs that have connected with listeners as sans "Make Me Want To" all the songs that have hit #1 in 2020 ("Ridin' Roads", "What If I Never Get Over You", "10,000 Hours", "The Bones", "Heartache Medication", "Kinfolks", and "Homesick") have all been very solid hits and connects with listeners. I do think streaming is important but country radio is still an overall vital part in a lot of artists success. I still like Kelsea Ballerini and her new album is solid on a first listen, and their are some potential hits on this album (both collaborations especially), but "Homecoming Queen" has probably done just about as well it should have given the overall mediocre buzz around it Sorry, but as .indulgecountry noted, "Homecoming queen" has been selling for a very long time and it's obviously having bad sales now. But I would also like to point out how Kelsea Ballerini's streaming numbers are actually more important than Aldean's numbers: "Homecoming Queen" music video has less than 10 Million views on youtube, while "We Back" has more than 15 Million. At first, one might think that Aldean's song has done better on streaming than Kelsea Ballerini's. But if you look deeper, you'll notice how interaction rate betrays Aldean's numbers: "Homecoming Queen" has 72k likes and almost 3k comments, "We Back" has less than 50k likes and less than 1k comments. This is the evidence of how people were way more interested in "Homecoming Queen". I would also like to point out that "Homecoming Queen" has more likes and comments than "Ridin Roads", "The Bones", "Heartache Medication" and "Kinfolks"... I mean, eh. I will say this the amount of views Jason Aldean song has and the amount of likes/comments Kelsea Ballerini kind of neutralizes each other out. Also Youtube is not the perfect measure of what is popular. It's a decent indicator but not the only one at all. I just think at the end of the day neither "Homecoming Queen" nor "We Back" are gonna be remembered despite one having a Top 10 peak in Aldean and Kelsea Ballerini probably having to settle for a Top 15 peak. Both suffered through bad testing, just Jason Aldean's star level helped carry him to a Top 10 peak where as Kelsea Ballerini gets a Top 15. That being said I think it is absolute bananas to imply that "Homecoming Queen" has more interest and is more popular than "Ridin Roads", "Heartache Medication", and especially "Kinfolks" and "The Bones" based on YouTube Likes/Comments. Like the former two I can maybe see the argument for, but even then both have more views for their music videos, which is the most important thing on YouTube as that is what counts towards streaming and both will probably increase more in views as both will have more recurrent airplay than "Homecoming Queen". Also "Kinfolks" does not have a music video so it is next to impossible for it to have more views, likes, comments. Not to mention "The Bones" made the Top 20 on the Hot 100 despite the music video being a little lackluster and lacking replay value on YouTube. Even if "Homecoming Queen" did become a radio hit it was probably gonna be on the level of "Dibs" or "Love Me Like You Mean It" levels of hit. Hits #1 but within a couple years it is forgotten. We aren't gonna agree here though, so I have said all I have needed to say.
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Post by aldo01 on Mar 20, 2020 20:09:54 GMT -5
But I would also like to point out how Kelsea Ballerini's streaming numbers are actually more important than Aldean's numbers: "Homecoming Queen" music video has less than 10 Million views on youtube, while "We Back" has more than 15 Million. At first, one might think that Aldean's song has done better on streaming than Kelsea Ballerini's. But if you look deeper, you'll notice how interaction rate betrays Aldean's numbers: "Homecoming Queen" has 72k likes and almost 3k comments, "We Back" has less than 50k likes and less than 1k comments. This is the evidence of how people were way more interested in "Homecoming Queen". I would also like to point out that "Homecoming Queen" has more likes and comments than "Ridin Roads", "The Bones", "Heartache Medication" and "Kinfolks"... Wow that basic tour video got 15 million views?!Aldean has 1,750,000 subscribers, the song is overplayed on the radio and is highly benefitting of playlist placement on streaming platforms -including YouTube. And remember that Luke Combs' "basic tour video" for "Even Though I'm Leaving" has 32 Million views.
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