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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 16, 2020 21:47:19 GMT -5
I do listen to the station (they play Country Countdown USA and that is always fun to listen too), but yeah it does frustrate me and I really wish they would have been quiet. I will say this, women have made a lot of progress in the past 5 years in country radio (Carly Pearce, Maren Morris, and Kelsea Ballerini having solid success, Gabby Barrett and Ingrid Andress having big success with their debut singles, Runaway June scoring a Top 10 despite the single being pretty low impact, and even flop singles like "Ladies In The 90s", "Girl Goin Nowhere", "Every Girl In This Town", and "Friends Don't" at least made the Top 40 where as in 2014 to 2016 they probably would have made the Top 50 at best). Like country radio was not gonna overnight after tomatogate in 2015 play all the women at once, and in my opinion they have probably done the safest thing by gradually including more women slowly but surely. The tweet is frustrating, but things are looking up for women in country music and while women/female songs are not played back to back, I remain optimistic for women in country radio and I certainly don't think Carrie Underwood should stop releasing music to country radio, because radio still plays her music (I get your sentiment taylor but this part in your post felt a bit of an overreaction, no offense).
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Post by recordyear on Jan 17, 2020 0:19:56 GMT -5
I do listen to the station (they play Country Countdown USA and that is always fun to listen too), but yeah it does frustrate me and I really wish they would have been quiet. Why would you want them to be quiet about this? This is major stuff. Maybe the PR will be fired because of this, but this is most concrete evidence that radio is sexist by implementing nonsense rules.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 17, 2020 11:49:42 GMT -5
I thought it was just common knowledge at this point that a lot of stations have a 'don't play women back-to-back' rule but I'm glad it's blown up more publicly now via that Tweet. Maybe it'll hold country radio's collective feet to the fire and they'll actually have to make some severe changes.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 17, 2020 12:47:11 GMT -5
I thought it was just common knowledge at this point that a lot of stations have a 'don't play women back-to-back' rule but I'm glad it's blown up more publicly now via that Tweet. Maybe it'll hold country radio's collective feet to the fire and they'll actually have to make some severe changes. I never knew of this. Common knowledge amongst listeners? I mean I could have surmised this but I didn’t actually think it was a full-out “rule”.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 17, 2020 12:54:04 GMT -5
I thought it was just common knowledge at this point that a lot of stations have a 'don't play women back-to-back' rule but I'm glad it's blown up more publicly now via that Tweet. Maybe it'll hold country radio's collective feet to the fire and they'll actually have to make some severe changes. I never knew of this. Common knowledge amongst listeners? I mean I could have surmised this but I didn’t actually think it was a full-out “rule”. Not to casual radio listeners (most of them don't even know where songs peak on the charts and basic things like that, i.e.), but on Pulse I definitely thought everybody knew this by now between the Tomatogate fiasco and the handful of posters in here who either work in radio or have some form of industry connection. The handful of time I've heard 2 or 3 female acts played back-to-back on radio, it's always caught me off guard because of that.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 17, 2020 13:46:38 GMT -5
I do listen to the station (they play Country Countdown USA and that is always fun to listen too), but yeah it does frustrate me and I really wish they would have been quiet. Why would you want them to be quiet about this? This is major stuff. Maybe the PR will be fired because of this, but this is most concrete evidence that radio is sexist by implementing nonsense rules. I think I meant that they should have been quiet because it was such a stupid thing to tweet about, it is pretty much a textbook example of "Think before you talk". Like it is common knowledge that women struggle in country radio, and in tweeting that you get people pissed, fans of female artists sending your station hate. I mean it didn't take a genius to figure out country radio is sexist, I just think whomever runs that twitter account was really ignorant or oblivious at best and at worse they are stupid enough to bait controversey. Sidenote: Why is this in the Carrie Underwood thread and not it's own since Carrie hasn't tweeted about this.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 17, 2020 14:20:19 GMT -5
Why would you want them to be quiet about this? This is major stuff. Maybe the PR will be fired because of this, but this is most concrete evidence that radio is sexist by implementing nonsense rules. I think I meant that they should have been quiet because it was such a stupid thing to tweet about, it is pretty much a textbook example of "Think before you talk". Like it is common knowledge that women struggle in country radio, and in tweeting that you get people pissed, fans of female artists sending your station hate. I mean it didn't take a genius to figure out country radio is sexist, I just think whomever runs that twitter account was really ignorant or oblivious at best and at worse they are stupid enough to bait controversey. Sidenote: Why is this in the Carrie Underwood thread and not it's own since Carrie hasn't tweeted about this. Because it directly impacts her as well as all the other female artists in country. I figured it’d be relevant to the discussion of this song struggling to gain traction on radio, as well.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 17, 2020 14:23:33 GMT -5
I think I meant that they should have been quiet because it was such a stupid thing to tweet about, it is pretty much a textbook example of "Think before you talk". Like it is common knowledge that women struggle in country radio, and in tweeting that you get people pissed, fans of female artists sending your station hate. I mean it didn't take a genius to figure out country radio is sexist, I just think whomever runs that twitter account was really ignorant or oblivious at best and at worse they are stupid enough to bait controversey. Sidenote: Why is this in the Carrie Underwood thread and not it's own since Carrie hasn't tweeted about this. Because it directly impacts her as well as all the other female artists in country. I figured it’d be relevant to the discussion of this song struggling to gain traction on radio, as well. Oh okay, I didn't mean to sound discouraging. I was just thrown off, especially since Carrie Underwood didn't tweet anything about it. Sorry if I came off as dismissive.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 18, 2020 15:58:37 GMT -5
Why would you want them to be quiet about this? This is major stuff. Maybe the PR will be fired because of this, but this is most concrete evidence that radio is sexist by implementing nonsense rules. I think I meant that they should have been quiet because it was such a stupid thing to tweet about, it is pretty much a textbook example of "Think before you talk". Like it is common knowledge that women struggle in country radio, and in tweeting that you get people pissed, fans of female artists sending your station hate. I mean it didn't take a genius to figure out country radio is sexist, I just think whomever runs that twitter account was really ignorant or oblivious at best and at worse they are stupid enough to bait controversey. Sidenote: Why is this in the Carrie Underwood thread and not it's own since Carrie hasn't tweeted about this. There are plenty of people who still deny sexism in country, and also people who defend certain aspects. That tweet at least gives people proof to say “See, this is happening.”
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Post by someguy on Jan 18, 2020 19:40:27 GMT -5
This is disgusting, but sadly unsurprising. It also makes me sad to see people say that country radio has come so far (which I guess it has compared to 5-10 years ago), when it is so far behind where it was in the 90s, when Reba McEntire, Faith Hill, Trisha Yearwood, Shania Twain and Martina McBride were arguably the most played artists at the format.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 18, 2020 20:10:12 GMT -5
This is disgusting, but sadly unsurprising. It also makes me sad to see people say that country radio has come so far (which I guess it has compared to 5-10 years ago), when it is so far behind where it was in the 90s, when Reba McEntire, Faith Hill, Trisha Yearwood, Shania Twain and Martina McBride were arguably the most played artists at the format.Since this is referencing my post, figured I should respond. I did not mean to say it was as good as it was 90s or imply the current state of women in country music is at an acceptable level because it isn't (I probably should have added it is not at a good level in my OG post), just compared to like the mid 2010s where women barely got any traction at all, like you were lucky if you scraped the Top 40 if you weren't Carrie Underwood or Miranda Lambert. It at least appears women are at least getting some traction on country radio compared to a few years ago. Is it at a good or respectful level? No. But I do feel like things are looking up for women and hopefully it continues as we head into the new decade. I would love for women in country music now to be at the 90s level of country radio, unfortunately that just isn't a realistic expectation given the current country atmosphere (very male dominated in producers, writers, and artists, etc), hopefully the atmosphere changes overtime and slowly get better (since I do think radio should not just pile on all the females and have only the females rise all in once as that can also be jarring to radio listeners) as a lot of the newer women can continue to see more success and more women hopefully breakthrough in the next few years.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 20, 2020 9:48:52 GMT -5
This is disgusting, but sadly unsurprising. It also makes me sad to see people say that country radio has come so far (which I guess it has compared to 5-10 years ago), when it is so far behind where it was in the 90s, when Reba McEntire, Faith Hill, Trisha Yearwood, Shania Twain and Martina McBride were arguably the most played artists at the format.Since this is referencing my post, figured I should respond. I did not mean to say it was as good as it was 90s or imply the current state of women in country music is at an acceptable level because it isn't (I probably should have added it is not at a good level in my OG post), just compared to like the mid 2010s where women barely got any traction at all, like you were lucky if you scraped the Top 40 if you weren't Carrie Underwood or Miranda Lambert. It at least appears women are at least getting some traction on country radio compared to a few years ago. Is it at a good or respectful level? No. But I do feel like things are looking up for women and hopefully it continues as we head into the new decade. I would love for women in country music now to be at the 90s level of country radio, unfortunately that just isn't a realistic expectation given the current country atmosphere (very male dominated in producers, writers, and artists, etc), hopefully the atmosphere changes overtime and slowly get better (since I do think radio should not just pile on all the females and have only the females rise all in once as that can also be jarring to radio listeners) as a lot of the newer women can continue to see more success and more women hopefully breakthrough in the next few years. While there obviously needs to be more women producing, writing, etc in the industry, I don’t know what that has to do with the lack of women on country radio as of late. Shania Twain, Faith Hill, Pam Tillis, Patty Loveless, Trisha Yearwood, LeAnn Rimes, LeeAnn Womack, Martina McBride etc weren’t working with women producers and writers (outside of Shania being a writer and Matraca Berg co-writing a few hits) when they were trading off at the top of country radio in the 90s and early 00s.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 14:00:03 GMT -5
While there obviously needs to be more women producing, writing, etc in the industry, I don’t know what that has to do with the lack of women on country radio as of late. Shania Twain, Faith Hill, Pam Tillis, Patty Loveless, Trisha Yearwood, LeAnn Rimes, LeeAnn Womack, Martina McBride etc weren’t working with women producers and writers (outside of Shania being a writer and Matraca Berg co-writing a few hits) when they were trading off at the top of country radio in the 90s and early 00s.[/quote] I think that’s an astute point, and one that introduces another questions: Can female country artists be most successful when their distinctly female experience is written through the male perspective? Furthermore, is a woman’s musicianship considered more valid if hoisted up by her male counterparts (i.e. producers, songwriters, musicians)? Did giving women more autonomy over their music counteract their overall appeal to radio? We, as a listening body, know that none of that is true; however, to understand the nuances of the gender disparity, we need to question what worked then versus what isn’t working now.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 21, 2020 18:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 21, 2020 19:04:10 GMT -5
CMT has been one of the leading advocates for women in country music, and this just goes to show they actually mean it. I mean, Carrie is their most successful artist after all (at least of the past 15 years). I can’t believe we live in a world where some people are content with the current female/male ratio at radio. I think I read that women take up 13% of radio airplay? That’s straight up disgusting.
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Post by taylor on Jan 22, 2020 11:22:14 GMT -5
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jan 28, 2020 14:52:45 GMT -5
#32 on Country Airplay again this week. I don’t understand why this is struggling. It sounds amazing on the radio.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 28, 2020 15:05:14 GMT -5
#32 on Country Airplay again this week. I don’t understand why this is struggling. It sounds amazing on the radio. Because some/most radio stations give less than 20% of their airtime to female artists... (Obviously responding to be sarcastic and spiteful, but at this point I don’t know of any other reason)... Also, if many of these people are the same people who vote for the CMAs and ACMs, it’s no wonder why women can’t win anything (unless the show is in honor of women, but they even managed to fuck that up too). Definitely frustrated that Carrie is finally releasing music we (the fans) pushed for just to seemingly get shafted by radio. It’s still kind of early, and perhaps they plan to keep this afloat through the ACMs, but it sucks to see country radio’s most reliable female struggle to make it to the top 30 with what should be an absolute multi-platinum smash, in my eyes at least.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 28, 2020 15:27:36 GMT -5
It's definitely struggling, but I'm interested to see if once Maren Morris and Kelsea Ballerini fall off, does "Drinking Alone" start making gains as room for females clears up on playlists. There are also a lot of songs that have been stuck in that high 20s and low 30s range for awhile now (Trisha and Maddie & Tae being examples, so more women).
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jan 28, 2020 17:52:00 GMT -5
I think the top 30 in general is very clogged up with songs that have been there since the Christmas freeze on radio. Once some of those songs peak and go recurrent, I would hope that this would start to gain more. I could be wrong, though.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 28, 2020 19:58:29 GMT -5
I mean right now there is 14 songs in the Top 30 that are over 30 weeks on the chart and the only songs that are younger that is ahead of "Drinking Alone" are "Nobody But You" and "Beer Can't Fix". Since there is about a 99% chance that "Drinking Alone" is the final single from the album I imagine UMG is gonna promote this song til the wheels fall off or it somehow makes it to the top on either chart, whichever comes first.
Is the song moving slow, yes? But it isn't shocking since this is the fourth single from an album that is well over a year old that has seen shaky at best radio success and an album that is currently at #42 on the Top Albums Chart as of this week. Like honestly the fact this song is nearing the Top 30 in a little over 3 months is pretty much how I saw this song doing out of the gate.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 28, 2020 23:19:23 GMT -5
If this is gonna be a hit, it's going to be a very slow climb, not like what we're used to seeing for a Carrie Underwood single. At the rate its climbing now, it probably won't peak until the summer. I'm definitely rooting for this one to at least make the top 10 in the end, but at this point, I sadly would not be surprised if this one peaks even perhaps a bit lower than "Love Wins" did. She just doesn't seem to have much momentum right now, and the reception from the fans/general public seems low too ("Drinking Alone" is selling pretty poorly right now and all of the Cry Pretty singles showing on iTunes during their runs -- with the exception of following any live performances -- were far below her usual standard). I want to see this do well because its easily my favorite single of the era, but its the fourth release from an album era that was uncharacteristically rocky in basically all aspects except for touring, so I think expectations are going to have to be lowered.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jan 29, 2020 19:29:45 GMT -5
I get why Team Carrie focused on touring this era, but I hope they shift their focus more next era to include streaming and (to the extent that they can) sales.
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Post by desertfloods on Jan 29, 2020 19:38:49 GMT -5
I think slow climb/struggling is going to be a new norm for Carrie's singles. We can forget about how her singles used to fly up the charts, it's unlikely to happen again (especially not on consistent basis), unless she has a fresh/groundbreaking single/sound in future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 6:42:55 GMT -5
I don’t understand UMG. They just had a megastar join their roster after nearly 15 years with a competing label, and it continues to feel as though they’re unsure how to effectively handle Carrie’s material. I see zero promotion for this single. We’re nearing the end of the Cry Pretty era and what comes next is anyone’s guess, but I doubt it’ll have the makings of the over-promised, under-delivered “global superstar.”
*Although, credit where credit is due: She has further expanded her touring act and played Glastonbury, so there’s perceptible effort in that regard.
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Post by NeRD on Jan 30, 2020 21:45:04 GMT -5
Maybe they meant a "global superstar TOURING act"? In 2020, that's a much better spot to be in than just good graces with corrupt Country radio.
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Post by matty005 on Jan 31, 2020 1:08:58 GMT -5
Maybe they meant a "global superstar TOURING act"? In 2020, that's a much better spot to be in than just good graces with corrupt Country radio. THIS exactly. Carrie having a huge tour, headlining festivals worldwide, etc is SOOOOOOO much better than having 3 #1 country singles but performing for 200 drunk people in a casino. Radio isn't what it used to be. Just ask Kacey.
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Post by musicfan134 on Feb 1, 2020 0:21:40 GMT -5
Nobody is denying that touring is great for Carrie. And I also don't think anyone really cares too much about country radio. It's the streaming that's the concern. I get country acts aren't streamed much, but I would think an artist like Carrie would have relatively high streams appealing to a generally younger audience. As sales are dying down for everyone across the board and streaming is becoming more and more important, it's essential that Team Carrie try to get her as well-rounded as possible: touring, streaming, airplay (as long as it's not "bad"), and sales to the extent that they can.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 1, 2020 16:59:18 GMT -5
Carrie had solid tours under her old label, too, so I am not sure why people consider that a plus under her new team. Does the label even do a lot in regards to tours? I thought that was more so the artist and management.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 16:06:44 GMT -5
This single truly isn’t doing anything. I’m genuinely surprised it hasn’t reached Top 30 on Mediabase yet.
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