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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 25, 2019 7:15:20 GMT -5
All of her last three album eras felt like they could've naturally had a fifth single and ended kind of soon with great songs left on the table (Someday When I Stop Loving You, Do You Think About Me, and Choctaw County Affair i.e.), but the Cry Pretty era is moving along a lot slower and the singles haven't been getting the best reception this time around so imo I'd prefer to see her move on after "Drinking Alone" to new music by next summer.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 25, 2019 14:06:34 GMT -5
How is this doing? I would imagine that this has to be in the top 40.
I’m fine with this being the final single if it means we get new music sometime in 2020.
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Post by taylor on Nov 25, 2019 14:08:52 GMT -5
How is this doing? I would imagine that this has to be in the top 40. I’m fine with this being the final single if it means we get new music sometime in 2020. #45 on BB with an update coming tomorrow. Debuted at #46 on Mediabase according to the November 18 chart in Country Aircheck ETA: What raylatch98 and lady𝓐fan said
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Post by raylatch98 on Nov 25, 2019 14:29:42 GMT -5
#42 on Mediabase this morning, and on Billboard "Drinking Alone" should also be nearing the Top 40 or at the Top 40, and Billboard update should be coming out tonight. taylor I am kind of shocked people were expecting a 5th single from this album, this album era has been her worse performing on country radio and also a lot more stretched out than her previous eras for the four singles, and Carrie Underwood only did 5 singles on her second era.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Nov 25, 2019 14:33:08 GMT -5
This is #40 this week at Billboard. Chart histories on the Billboard website usually show new peaks by 1:30 Eastern Time.
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 25, 2019 14:40:01 GMT -5
Lol at all the optimism of her having a new lead single by a reasonable time, like next summer or even next year’s CMAs. At the rate she makes music, we’ll be extremely lucky to get a lead single by summer of 2021 ⚰️
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 25, 2019 14:41:50 GMT -5
As I said before, there should have been a fifth Blown Away single in 2013. It would have tied in with Carrie Underwood's participation in The Sound Of Music and Sunday Night Football.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 25, 2019 15:10:07 GMT -5
it's an absolute travesty miracle to end the era without either Backsliding or That Song being released as single! There now we're all good! Imagine being this wrong? I could never. Praying hard for you & yours this holiday season, blessings!
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Nov 25, 2019 16:20:11 GMT -5
There now we're all good! Imagine being this wrong? I could never. Praying hard for you & yours this holiday season, blessings! No need to pray we’re all heathens over here 😋 I’ll gladly live in a world where two of her worst songs are relegated to album tracks, thanks!
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Post by taylor on Nov 25, 2019 16:27:58 GMT -5
Imagine being this wrong? I could never. Praying hard for you & yours this holiday season, blessings! No need to pray we’re all heathens over here 😋 I’ll gladly live in a world where two of her worst songs are relegated to album tracks, thanks! There are worse songs in her catalog, much worse than those two.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 25, 2019 16:31:45 GMT -5
Lol at all the optimism of her having a new lead single by a reasonable time, like next summer or even next year’s CMAs. At the rate she makes music, we’ll be extremely lucky to get a lead single by summer of 2021 ⚰️ I get that she likes to take her time making music, but honestly time is not on her side. She’s going to be 37 in March. She’ll be lucky to have one or two more album eras before radio drops her. I mean, if she were a man, she could make music into her 40s and 50s, and it would still go top 10 at least. I’m so fed up with the ageism and sexism in country music.
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Post by taylor on Nov 25, 2019 16:36:21 GMT -5
Lol at all the optimism of her having a new lead single by a reasonable time, like next summer or even next year’s CMAs. At the rate she makes music, we’ll be extremely lucky to get a lead single by summer of 2021 ⚰️ I get that she likes to take her time making music, but honestly time is not on her side. She’s going to be 37 in March. She’ll be lucky to have one or two more album eras before radio drops her. I mean, if she were a man, she could make music into her 40s and 50s, and it would still go top 10 at least. I’m so fed up with the ageism and sexism in country music. So am I!! Country radio can play George Strait still but not "Freedom" or anything by Reba for that matter?! I never even hear Turn On The Radio anymore and it's a #1 hit.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 25, 2019 16:49:05 GMT -5
Lol at all the optimism of her having a new lead single by a reasonable time, like next summer or even next year’s CMAs. At the rate she makes music, we’ll be extremely lucky to get a lead single by summer of 2021 ⚰️ I get that she likes to take her time making music, but honestly time is not on her side. She’s going to be 37 in March. She’ll be lucky to have one or two more album eras before radio drops her. I mean, if she were a man, she could make music into her 40s and 50s, and it would still go top 10 at least. I’m so fed up with the ageism and sexism in country music. I mean, I get this, but Carrie is far past needing country radio to have a successful career. Also, Carrie has a unique fan base in that many of us have stuck with her since ‘Idol’ and most are as devoted as ever; her two AMA’s last night beating out Kane and Dan+Shay show me that Carrie still receives an exceptional amount of fan support. Like Carrie said, it’s the fans that matter, and so long as Carrie keeps delivering for her fans, she’ll continue receiving lots of support. #1 singles may be few and far between from here on out, but radio is all but irrelevant these days and the success of the CP era demonstrates that. Again, radio isn’t the only driving force behind Carrie’s career, though it definitely helped before and throughout the transition into the digital streaming world. Times have changed and Carrie’s career has evolved perfectly to deal with these changes; focusing more on the live aspect of things. Carrie’s fan army remains strong and well intact; unless she takes a Shania-like hiatus, I don’t see that changing.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 25, 2019 17:06:44 GMT -5
Imagine being this wrong? I could never. Praying hard for you & yours this holiday season, blessings! No need to pray we’re all heathens over here 😋 I’ll gladly live in a world where two of her worst songs are relegated to album tracks, thanks! Oof get taste
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 25, 2019 17:07:22 GMT -5
No need to pray we’re all heathens over here 😋 I’ll gladly live in a world where two of her worst songs are relegated to album tracks, thanks! There are worse songs in her catalog, much worse than those two. “That Song...” is easily my least favorite song of her entire career... Lol. “Backsliding” has grown on me though!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 25, 2019 19:00:01 GMT -5
"That Song..." is hot garbage and I agree it's bottom of the barrel for her career. I do like "Backsliding" though, but not as a potential single.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 25, 2019 19:12:04 GMT -5
"That Song..." is hot garbage and I agree it's bottom of the barrel for her career. I do like "Backsliding" though, but not as a potential single. I could see Backsliding doing decently on Hot AC or something, but I highly doubt they would do that
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Post by Wackadoodle on Nov 25, 2019 19:17:16 GMT -5
"That Song..." is hot garbage and I agree it's bottom of the barrel for her career. I do like "Backsliding" though, but not as a potential single. Why not as a single? It's literally perfect for radio. Heartbeat part two. Magic Mike doesn't seem to know what he's doing.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Nov 25, 2019 19:27:07 GMT -5
Regarding the ageism conversation from earlier: I don't see Carrie being phased out of radio anytime soon. Country radio usually allows one or two women from each decade to last almost as or as long as their male counterparts (think Loretta from the 60s, Dolly and Tanya Tucker from the 70s, Reba from the 80s, and even Martina from the 90s), and Carrie is the best candidate from the 2000s to stick around for another decade. Worst case scenario (for me at least) is that in the 2020s she has a few flops and a few hits, similar to Reba in the 2000s.
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 25, 2019 20:01:30 GMT -5
Regarding the ageism conversation from earlier: I don't see Carrie being phased out of radio anytime soon. Country radio usually allows one or two women from each decade to last almost as or as long as their male counterparts (think Loretta from the 60s, Dolly and Tanya Tucker from the 70s, Reba from the 80s, and even Martina from the 90s), and Carrie is the best candidate from the 2000s to stick around for another decade. Worst case scenario (for me at least) is that in the 2020s she has a few flops and a few hits, similar to Reba in the 2000s. Yeah, I agree that Carrie isn't exactly close to done yet. It is definitely possible that she might only get one more "huge" era before she starts to fade a bit, considering her age, but I see her next 10 years being kinda similar to Martina's 2000s. As in, pretty much everything she releases will be a hit, but they might be more of a mix of top 10 or top 20 hits rather than top 3. Unless she pulls a Shania or a Faith, she should be able to hang onto her commercial viability for at least the next decade, and then continue to be a veteran who makes music well after that a la Reba and Martina.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 25, 2019 20:05:05 GMT -5
Regarding the ageism conversation from earlier: I don't see Carrie being phased out of radio anytime soon. Country radio usually allows one or two women from each decade to last almost as or as long as their male counterparts (think Loretta from the 60s, Dolly and Tanya Tucker from the 70s, Reba from the 80s, and even Martina from the 90s), and Carrie is the best candidate from the 2000s to stick around for another decade. Worst case scenario (for me at least) is that in the 2020s she has a few flops and a few hits, similar to Reba in the 2000s. Here's the ages of all those women when they got their final top 10 hit: Loretta Lynn - 50 ("I Lie" in 1982) Dolly Parton - 45 ("Rockin' Years" in 1991) Tanya Tucker - 39 ("Little Things" in 1997) Reba McEntire - 55 ("Turn on the Radio" in 2010) Martina McBride - 45 ("I'm Gonna Love You Through It" in 2011) So... yeah, I don't think anyone is predicting that Carrie will be phased out completely in the immediate future, and she'll probably get close to another decade of success (though probably with less consistency), but once women hit their 40s, it usually starts to get hard for women at country radio.
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Post by musicfan134 on Nov 25, 2019 20:39:42 GMT -5
Just throwing out there that she would have this problem with pop radio too, in all fairness. The industry as a whole is pretty ageist.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Nov 25, 2019 22:04:13 GMT -5
Regarding the ageism conversation from earlier: I don't see Carrie being phased out of radio anytime soon. Country radio usually allows one or two women from each decade to last almost as or as long as their male counterparts (think Loretta from the 60s, Dolly and Tanya Tucker from the 70s, Reba from the 80s, and even Martina from the 90s), and Carrie is the best candidate from the 2000s to stick around for another decade. Worst case scenario (for me at least) is that in the 2020s she has a few flops and a few hits, similar to Reba in the 2000s. Here's the ages of all those women when they got their final top 10 hit: Loretta Lynn - 50 ("I Lie" in 1982) Dolly Parton - 45 ("Rockin' Years" in 1991) Tanya Tucker - 39 ("Little Things" in 1997) Reba McEntire - 55 ("Turn on the Radio" in 2010) Martina McBride - 45 ("I'm Gonna Love You Through It" in 2011) So... yeah, I don't think anyone is predicting that Carrie will be phased out completely in the immediate future, and she'll probably get close to another decade of success (though probably with less consistency), but once women hit their 40s, it usually starts to get hard for women at country radio. I mean, someone did say that Carrie would be “lucky to get one or two more album eras before radio drops her”, but otherwise I’m in total agreement with what you and bboat11 are saying about less consistency. It’s already happening with Cry Pretty, where she’s only gotten two top 10s and a top 20 (and after this week’s slowdown I honestly don’t know what’s happening with this one either).
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Post by raylatch98 on Nov 25, 2019 22:14:58 GMT -5
Here's the ages of all those women when they got their final top 10 hit: Loretta Lynn - 50 ("I Lie" in 1982) Dolly Parton - 45 ("Rockin' Years" in 1991) Tanya Tucker - 39 ("Little Things" in 1997) Reba McEntire - 55 ("Turn on the Radio" in 2010) Martina McBride - 45 ("I'm Gonna Love You Through It" in 2011) So... yeah, I don't think anyone is predicting that Carrie will be phased out completely in the immediate future, and she'll probably get close to another decade of success (though probably with less consistency), but once women hit their 40s, it usually starts to get hard for women at country radio. I mean, someone did say that Carrie would be “lucky to get one or two more album eras before radio drops her”, but otherwise I’m in total agreement with what you and bboat11 are saying about less consistency. It’s already happening with Cry Pretty, where she’s only gotten two top 10s and a top 20 (and after this week’s slowdown I honestly don’t know what’s happening with this one either). TBF this week could easily be a fluke week for "Drinking Alone" in terms of gains. I am very curious to see if this past week was a fluke as I imagine by the time the Christmas Freeze happens we should at least start having somewhat of an idea of how this song will do.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 25, 2019 23:04:46 GMT -5
Here's the ages of all those women when they got their final top 10 hit: Loretta Lynn - 50 ("I Lie" in 1982) Dolly Parton - 45 ("Rockin' Years" in 1991) Tanya Tucker - 39 ("Little Things" in 1997) Reba McEntire - 55 ("Turn on the Radio" in 2010) Martina McBride - 45 ("I'm Gonna Love You Through It" in 2011) So... yeah, I don't think anyone is predicting that Carrie will be phased out completely in the immediate future, and she'll probably get close to another decade of success (though probably with less consistency), but once women hit their 40s, it usually starts to get hard for women at country radio. I mean, someone did say that Carrie would be “lucky to get one or two more album eras before radio drops her”, but otherwise I’m in total agreement with what you and bboat11 are saying about less consistency. It’s already happening with Cry Pretty, where she’s only gotten two top 10s and a top 20 (and after this week’s slowdown I honestly don’t know what’s happening with this one either). Well she doesn't release music all that quickly, so theoretically after 1 more era she'd likely be the same age Tanya was when radio have up on her and after 2 she'd be coming up close on the time when a lot of other women have been phased out once they hit their early/mid 40s. The discussion is moot though because we won't know what happens down the line, but I agree that I don't think Carrie's going anywhere anytime soon and country radio not being enamored with her music this era has nothing to do with radio growing tired of her or anything.
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Post by Wackadoodle on Nov 26, 2019 6:51:48 GMT -5
To be honest, and maybe I'm naive to assume that people always have the best intentions in mind, I don't think her age will matter much, if at all. We have artists in their 50s and 60s still blasting up the charts. It's really about the music. Carrie's "detour" this era is because she chose to do something that was stylistically much different from what she's done in the past. This is analogous to Brad Paisley's Wheelhouse era, where he tried some unique stuff that didn't always work. She'll come back and do just fine with her next album, if she wants to. Or, she could decide she no longer needs radio and has enough money to enjoy the rest of her life creating the music she enjoys. She has absolutely earned the right to do so.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 26, 2019 9:01:39 GMT -5
Here's the ages of all those women when they got their final top 10 hit: Loretta Lynn - 50 ("I Lie" in 1982) Dolly Parton - 45 ("Rockin' Years" in 1991) Tanya Tucker - 39 ("Little Things" in 1997) Reba McEntire - 55 ("Turn on the Radio" in 2010) Martina McBride - 45 ("I'm Gonna Love You Through It" in 2011) So... yeah, I don't think anyone is predicting that Carrie will be phased out completely in the immediate future, and she'll probably get close to another decade of success (though probably with less consistency), but once women hit their 40s, it usually starts to get hard for women at country radio. I mean, someone did say that Carrie would be “lucky to get one or two more album eras before radio drops her”, but otherwise I’m in total agreement with what you and bboat11 are saying about less consistency. It’s already happening with Cry Pretty, where she’s only gotten two top 10s and a top 20 (and after this week’s slowdown I honestly don’t know what’s happening with this one either). I wasn’t trying to be negative, but more realistic. There’s a good chance that Carrie will be that one legacy female from the 2000s like one poster said, but the reality is that radio drops most females once they hit 35. Case in point, Miranda Lambert. Granted she wasn’t as consistent at radio as Carrie, but after the divorce from Blake and all that nonsense, radio pretty much moved on from her. I’d love for Carrie to have a Reba career where she’s hitting #1 in her 50s, but we will have to wait and see.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 26, 2019 11:00:19 GMT -5
To be honest, and maybe I'm naive to assume that people always have the best intentions in mind, I don't think her age will matter much, if at all. We have artists in their 50s and 60s still blasting up the charts. It's really about the music. This is false. We have a small handful of artists in their 50s moving up the charts, but none in their 60s (George Strait was the lone exception and he's back to looking like radio has moved on from him again), and all of them are male. The few that are still having success are not having a lot of it or are starting to wind down so not really what I'd call "blasting up the charts" when you look at how recent singles from Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, Kenny Chesney, and Tim McGraw are doing. Reba McEntire is the only female in recent history who still managed some hits into her 50s, and it was for a very brief period at the beginning of this decade, but country radio has moved on from her. I think Carrie has plenty of time before she has to worry about radio thinking she's too old because 1) she's still in her 30s and most women of her caliber last into their 40s at least and 2) she's a massive success that radio can still profit off of by playing her music. The fact is that most men are phased out of mainstream country radio around the time they reach their 50s, and it usually happens sooner for their female counterparts. That's just how it is. I still think the discussion is unnecessary to have right now because I don't see indication that Carrie is in danger of being a casualty of that anytime soon.
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Post by toomuchboy on Nov 29, 2019 1:23:00 GMT -5
I'd love if she ended the era with "That Song..." as the final single if DA smashes, but I wouldn't blame her for playing it safe and ending this era on a successful note with both "Southbound" and (ideally) DA being big hits. I just hope there isn't a long wait for the next album. Cry Pretty feels really old to me already.
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Post by someguy on Nov 30, 2019 10:05:17 GMT -5
I would love something different, if there were to be a fifth single. There's nothing obvious that needs to be released, like "Choctaw", but if "Drinking Alone" is a big hit, I would love to see something like "Ghosts On The Stereo" get released.
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